Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Jens Hatlak wrote: me2 wrote: BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? The Firefox developers. To be fair, they made that decision for Firefox only. When SeaMonkey made the switch to the common back-end (Toolkit) this is what we got. The old form manager would have had to be reimplemented in the new environment but obviously that didn't happen. Even if someone stepped up to do the work now I don't know whether the old form manager behavior would be accepted for inclusion in newer SeaMonkey versions. Unless someone tries I guess it won't ever happen. But of course there's always the possibility that someone develops an extension that implements something similar. Greetings, Jens Odds are the developer in charge of it at FireFox said to him self , people don't use this anyway do we even need it. You could acquire the code for the Forms history extension and included it already built in as you do ChatZilla, JavaScript Debugger, and DOM inspector. If you don't want to be bothered with actually developing one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
On 09-11-12 2:33 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-12 10:54 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: You never answered the above question. If I google short shrift, I read that it means to give very little consideration/time. Yet in this case, grippies were not included in the default theme on Mac /because/ SeaMonkey developers took the time and effort to consider Apple HIG. As Rufus put it, followed to the letter. :-) That's the opposite of 'short shrift'. (let alone the fact that you generalized it to Mozilla products) As a matter of fact, if you do a search of bugzilla for any SeaMonkey bugs with a comment containing all the strings grippies apple hig, you'll find the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460699 Make the default theme look better *on mac* (bold added by me) Whether or not you disagree with the decision is completely separate. You presumed to know *why* grippies are not there. I type in Grippies and there was showing least at 121 instances as far back as 2006 on the subject. Its possible there are more under different spellings and this just indicates number of times the subject came up not the number of threads for each time. Other Possible spelling are Grippies, grippies, gripies, Gripies, Griplets, Griplets, Griplets, and so on. Based on subjects and threads in those subject I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't actually a 1000 post or more on the subject. And it only goes back as far as 2006 there was likely post about before then. That's not my problem. You made the claim; it's your responsibility to back it up. It's called a bibliography. If you're having trouble narrowing your search, how about grippies gone or some variation of that. The netscape.public.mozilla.* newsgroups have been archived since around the year 2000 or before. If you cannot find instances in the time you claim the mass outrage existed, that's a sign that you're wrong. It's natural if you're upset about a change and find someone (maybe two) who agree with you, to remember it as mass outrage. I found at least 121 entries for the subject. going back to 2006 as I said That was just using on particular spelling. I don't believe use Fuzzy logic for these search. and at least 121 items is not one or two Please post the URLs for at least 20 instances of this outrage you speak of. I any event we mad our case Again, that's beside the point. Don't claim short shrift, when that's not the case. More to the point, do some research before spreading misinformation. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia Keeper of the Knowledge Base: https://support.mozilla.com/kb/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: https site problems persist
Cedar wrote: Any suggestions as to another firewall to try with AVG? ...and what is this compussion people have to blockquote IN ENTIRETY ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: https site problems persist
Cedar wrote: Any suggestions as to another firewall to try with AVG? Micros~1's firewall is crap. It doesn't filter OUTBOUND traffic --ignoring the main reason to have a SOFTWARE firewall. Get the **OLDEST** versaion of the ZA firewall. http://www.oldapps.com/zonealarm.php ...and what is this compulsion people have to blockquote IN ENTIRETY *multiple* layers deep? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Problem with Manage Popup SM2.0
I don't know if this is a problem, but since SM 2.0 I have some problem. I use a CRM web base (egroupware) some menu are popup. I have MapMind that as the Google Map of my client address book. After two Popup, the Popup Manager prevent opening the window. In my Popup Manager, I have setup Allow all popup form the server. But still prevent opening more that 2 windows. Is this a bug or is there a way to configure it? Thanks Alain ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Links in Emails From Facebook open in Facebook Mobile?!?!
ClintonHammond wrote: On Nov 12, 1:19 pm, George Cardencardboa...@comcast.net wrote: Mine, too. I think it's Facebook's problem, though it seems to be working right now... I just tried, and still got booted to Facebook Mobile. I just noticed this this morning -- worked fine last night. I find that if I go to http://www.facebook.com/home.php I get the normal page, but http://www.facebook.com/ (and links from notification emails) go to the mobile page. Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0: Location bar autocomplete oddities
Seth Plait wrote: I don't know if this is a bug but it's at least confusing. In the privacy security settings I have configured SeaMonkey to always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey. Now, if I enable erase browsing history and disable erase location bar history and then close and restart SeaMonkey, the location bar autocompletion no longer works for URLs that I typed in before closing the browser. However, those URLs are still shown in the drop-down box. Disabling erase browsing history makes autocompletion work across restarts. I always thought the browsing history was just a list of links that I followed. Did I miss anything? Starting with SeaMonkey 2 the location bar autocompletes against the browsing history, including page titles (can be tuned in Preferences), just like in Firefox. The location bar history (what you actually typed) is only used for the drop-down that can be opened using the marker at the right end of the location bar. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Coral IETab now has support for Seamonkey 2.0
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ah, OK. Let's hope they'll get it stable soon, then. Robert Kaiser One other bug I just discovered... the Back button is grayed out when you're on a page rendered with IE. Still the experimental version though. Don't see anything new yet on their website. -- Jaime A. Cruz Secretary Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Save Password..
JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: JD schrieb: Actually, what I've found is, on some web log ins, if I left mouse click on the username SM2 will offer a drop down menu with the un and once I select that it will fill in the two entries, un and password. But it isn't doing that with this particular log on. Banking site or similar? Sites like that ask SM to not store those information. regards Martin And I bet there is a way to tell SM that I want to store the information even when the site ask it not to. I just can't find what to change. ;-) The remember passwords droplet still works However, it cause the items to appears as I have explained you have to type in part of the username before the password will pop in. As for what the banks as for so long as you use as encrypted, and use as Master password for SM or FF. That should be _more than_ sufficient. The only one, that currently lives with me, is my 85 year old mother and she don't even know how to turn my computers on. I still have a Master password on all of my web Browsers and SM. I trust no one with my computer. As long as you work with a Master Password and encryption turned on, then the banks should have nothing to worry about. Now Bank of America have a Login then you are switched to a site key page and if you don't recognize the picture of your site key you don't type in your Password. Now that doesn't work with the Remember. Passwords droplet. No matter what I've tried, SM2 will not save the UN and/or PW. Try this link. I tried it and it works for me. I've backed up the original dmg file just in case Something goes bump. JD is kind of a moron sometimes. Drum roll please. It's now working and I've been able to save the password. (JD quietly explains, the PW manager doesn't popup like the old one did, it appears on the top of the web page and it only took JD three days to see it.) :-( Note that when the page opens, the prompt is not always visible, the tiny unobtrusive box doesn't force the browser to the top (may be a config thing like inobvious.option.makePasswordPromptVisible). It doesn't pop a box, grab focus, and does all it can to be hard to find. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
OT: Re... Transferring From NS 4.5 (Win95) to SM 2.0 (XP)
OldTimer wrote: Project successfully completed!! Thank you Lee,it wouldn't have happened without you. I ran into a little trouble when I put the files in the wrong place. The path was almost identical and it had the same files. But when they didn't show up when I opened SM I realized they were in the wrong place. Thank you Martin, your links broadened my understanding of Seamonkey. Chris, thanks for dropping off your little gift. And all I can say to Benoit is: try running on 16 MB RAM if you want to see slow. Thank you all. My wife will appreciate the upgrade to the 21st C. Ed This is totally superfluous, but I just had to say what fond memories I have of Win 95 and NS 4.5, and I held onto them both for a long time too. :) I contributed nothing to this thread, but read it with great interest, and I'm so glad the experts were able to help you accomplish this. Hope your wife does appreciate your hard work and theirs. :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
send a reply sometimes keeps show progress bar after item sent and copy finished.
On occasion I find that after clicking send for a reply or new message Progress bar still indicates sending and not says Copy finished (a copy has been copied to my sent folder). can dismiss the window the message has been copied and I find my post has been sent. Does not happen on every message. Suggestions SM2 Mac OSX.4.11 1MB DSL Up download speed. PB 17 1,67GB Processor. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0 Ignoring Download Pref.
Ok...I don't recall that it was doing this before, but tonight 2.0 is ignoring my pref setting to always ask where to save files for downloads. It's always storing them in the location which is grayed out in the save files to option...which is not selected. ...and the buttons in the progress dialog are too stinkin' small! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
...and who figured it was a good idea to shrink the pause and stop buttons in the Download Progress Dialog pane to pin points? It's like shootin' darts to hit those buttons...put 'em back the way they were! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
On 09-11-12 8:12 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-12 2:33 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I found at least 121 entries for the subject. going back to 2006 as I said That was just using on particular spelling. I don't believe use Fuzzy logic for these search. and at least 121 items is not one or two Please post the URLs for at least 20 instances of this outrage you speak of. You found 121 entries, but cannot post 20? What, did you do a search for grippies, get 121 results, and simply assume those were all messages complaining about lack of grippies? If can't back up your claims, why should the folks in this newsgroup trust you about other claims you make? Again, that's beside the point. Don't claim short shrift, when that's not the case. More to the point, do some research before spreading misinformation. Have you ever used the mac version of SM/FF/TB? If no then trying to would provide some education. Thank you for asking instead of jumping to the conclusion that I'm not. However, if you do some research (in this case, command+U then look at the user-agent string), you will see that *I am a Mac user* . In fact, I have been for years. As Phil Chee said it was left off because of Apple's human interface guideline. which indicates that PC, UNIX, and Linux versions have it. There have been other items over the years left out over the years. Why? You claimed that it is because of lack of consideration for the Mac platform. Paying attention to Apple's HIG is the opposite of lack of consideration. But this short Shrift thing is not just related to Mozilla only, It is throughout Most Software. example in MS products Office 2003/7 have more features than office2004/8 for Mac. Adobe Acrobat for PC has many more Features than it Mac Counterpart despite getting it start on the Mac It doesn't matter if you believe that, you still should not assume that is the reason why grippies are not in the default theme on Mac. That's prejudice. And remember that you were wrong. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia Keeper of the Knowledge Base: https://support.mozilla.com/kb/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
can no longer post in newsgroups
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Re: Copy Paste
On Nov 12, 2:03 pm, Benoit Renard Yet RC2 and the final version are identical, so it doesn't sound like it came from a change in SeaMonkey (as there was none). Yes that makes sense. If you want to check out what is going on on the McAfee side, go to Site Advisor Service conflicts with SeaMonkey 2.0, http://community.mcafee.com/message/97378 Please chime in. Account creation is required to input to any of the The McAfeeCommunity discusions. The good news is that their account creation routine does not check if you're a customer. At least it didn't when I created mine. P.A.C. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: can no longer post in newsgroups
Rainer Bielefeld: with seamonkey 2 More info please. Und wie wäre es mit de.comm.software.mozilla.mailnews? Da muss man sich nicht mit Englisch abmühen. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.18 vs SeaMonkey 2.1 (if/when 2.1 is released)
Mike C wrote: Frog wrote: I will clearly state that I am not a computer whiz...thus, I have a number of concerns regarding SeaMonkey 2.0 installation on my system. I have been reading the many SeaMonkey 2.0 messages on this newsgroup with some concern about my ability to fix the problems that could occur with the installation of 2.0. It seems that the move from 1.1.18 to 2.0 is not happening without a number of glitches along the way. Thus, in light of what I have read, I am wondering if it would wise for me to wait for a future release of SeaMonkey before upgrading my system...I suppose I am hoping that some changes will be incorporated into a future upgrade, that would make the move go more smoothly. Any comments would be appreciated. Also, a list of actions to take, or not to take, during the installation of 2.0 would also be very helpful...just in case I get brave enough to proceed with the 2.0 installation. Note: Windows XP Pro SP3 I have always allowed previous SeaMonkey installations to be loaded using default locations. I suppose that I do have concerns about what happens to the plug I have downloaded. I only have one profile on my system. Frog There are a few add ons that won't work. The two that I know of are: Tabbrowser Extension and Extension Mgr Mike C First, I think it would be more fair to say that few add-ons are yet available for SM 2.0. I think this is quite normal, give some time to the authors to do the necessary changes for those add ons which remain relevant and to create new ones specifically designed for SM 2.0 second, I think it is always advisable to wait some time before changing versions. SM 2.0 is not an upgrade. So, if you are not to comfortable with this, waiting for an update of SM 2.0 might be wise. On the other hand, problems which might occur moving from your previous version to SM 2.0 are likely to occur too while moving to an updated version, since I believe a good part of them are related to the import of profile. This was my case, the installer was not able to import my profile (probably because it slowly evolved from the Netscape days) and this was actually an opportunity to do some house cleaning by starting afresh. Among the things you can do to protect yourself which do not require much expertise, I would suggest: zipping up your *whole* profile and seamonkey directories after setting your zip program so that *it records the paths* of files and storing the zipped files in a safe place. If something goes very wrong when you install the new version, then it is only a matter of uninstalling it, deleting the profile folder and the program folder, and restoring where they belong the original profile and program folders by unzipping the zipped files. No need to mess with the registry. There are many other ways to proceed, but this one does not require any program you do not have on your machine and nor a lot of expertise. Whichever way you choose, do not rely on trusting default locations. I believe it is indispensible to make note of what they are before doing anything. Just my two cents ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. I could not have said it better! :-) -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Password pre-fill doesn't work with transformed documents
Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:11:06 -0800, /NoOp/: On 11/11/2009 01:10 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:29:50 -0600, /JD/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Enter foo for username and bar for password. The system will respond they are invalid but Firefox/SeaMonkey will offer you to store them, anyway... I have a similar problem with one online credit card site. It doesn't let anything be remembered... Please note again the problem I'm prescribing is not about remembering the password - just about its automatic prefill. It won't work unless the username/password it valid. Try another example using a *valid* username/password. Why would SM remember a username/password that failed? Please read the whole thread. I've already pointed out I have a valid username/password stored. SM would remember a username/password that failed because in most of the cases it doesn't understand they are not valid. Note in the example steps I've given the invalid username/password get stored without problem, too. It is just that they don't get prefilled. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: https site problems persist
chicagofan wrote: Cedar wrote: From my previous post Sep. 11, 09: On WinXP sp2, ZA suite, AVG free, SM 1.1.16, MTS (Propel) Accelerator. I can't remember just when all these problems started, but has been happening for several months now, not sure if it started with SM 1.1.16 or not. How long have you been using ZA Suite AND AVG together? I've never known anyone to use more than one AV security program without problems. Have you considered dropping AVG to see what happens? Or install another firewall to work with AVG and disable ZA Suite? I don't know what version of ZA Suite you are using, but if you google about your problems, you will see others are having connection problems with a recent version of ZA. Anyway, when trying to access certain secure sites, I am very often getting the following message: Address Not Found (website address) could not be found. Please check the name and try again. The browser could not find the host server for the provided address. * Did you make a mistake when typing the domain? (e.g. ww.mozilla.org instead of www.mozilla.org) * Are you certain this domain address exists? Its registration may have expired. * Are you unable to browse other sites? Check your network connection and DNS server settings. * Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy? Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsing. Below this message is a try again box, which sometimes works when I click on it. Unfortunately, that message doesn't help, because it's pretty generic and covers a multitude of connection problems. I have upgraded to SM 2 and this problem has followed me!! This also happened in SM 1.1.18. Actually, to be more accurate, it 's not just on accessing these sites, it happens at any point during my visitI get kicked out and have to go back in all the time. Since it is still happening in vs 2, does that help with figuring out the problem at all? Try reducing your anti-virus programs, and see if we can get more specific error messages. :) bj I've been using ZA and AVG together for about 7 months, come to think of it, that could actually be around the time these problems started! Right after a virus problem and a hard drive format! Grrr! Hmmm... Do they tend to clash even with ZA's antivirus disabled and just the free avg antivirus installed? Dropping AVG seems like it could be risky as I am unable to update ZA on my machine...always get an error message when I try, that's been a problem for a long time. Any suggestions as to another firewall to try with AVG? I did previously have AVG's entire suite trial installed, but the firewall seemed..well...kinda weird and not very ...umm...thorough, or something, I guess. So..would it work ok to run AVG's antivirus and some other firewall, or would there be possible clashes there too? My version of ZA is 8.0.298.035. I tried googling for these problems and could find no info about any version this recent! And basically not a lot of info at all. Do you have some idea which version may be causing problems? Do I need to reduce my internet security programs in order to reduce my anti-virus programs? ..Or is it a matter of just not having the antivirus parts of these programs enabled in more than one suite? Is there any other way to possibly track down the specific error message? For what it's worth, Firefox is even worse, at least today, I could not even get into my bank website with it! ...and it seems to be stalling when it tries to connect to search.avg.com. Could something along these lines possibly be affecting SM too? ...like when it kicks out of the banking site...maybe it's actually looking for search.avg.com, but not telling me that? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
John Doue schrieb: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. I could not have said it better! :-) You're missing the point on this whole issue I think. Seamonkey2.0 moved to the new toolkit backend. The old Form-Manager could _not_ be kept that way, it needs a rewrite. As noone was there to maintain that code and noone implemented a new solution there is none (or at least not the way it used to be). regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Multiple user/passwords
On or about 11/11/2009 9:57 PM, Hartmut Figge typed the following: BeeNeR: Neither yours or George Carden's solution works for me. The page I use multiple log-ins on is http://www.mail.com/ I have a couple of e-mail addresses that I use and I no longer get the drop down selection choice. Maybe a case of autocomplete=off? https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password Hartmut I don't think so since it does complete if I only enter the first letter. ie if I have two users starting with 'e' and I enter 'e' a drop down box appears with both users that start with 'e'. In 1.x versions I didn't have to enter anything. If I clicked on the user entry box I received a dropdown box with ALL users no matter what the spelling and I could click on the user I wanted. -- Ed Charles DeGaulle: I have come to the conclusion that politics are too serious a matter to be left to the politicians. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: huge inbox but no messages found?
Richard wrote: Hi, I have a client whose seamonkey v1.1.14 profile got screwed. This happens as they were backing up the files to external hard drive and 'something happened'. While the size of their inbox and sent files are huge (1.6G and 900M), the corresponding MSF are tiny and it appears like there are no messages. I can open these files and read the data so I know it is there, but they don't show up in Seamonkey. Things I have tried (none worked) - uninstalled Seamonkey v1.1.14 and installed SM 2.0, tried to point to profile folder - in SM 2.0, created a new profile and copied inbox and sent files into the new profile, it takes time to rebuilt the index, but the msf are tiny (2 or 3k) and there are no messages. - uninstalled SM 2.0 and installed SM 1.1.18 and tried everything, but still no messages are found. Again, it appears like the indexes are being rebuilt as it takes time, but there are no messages - tried copying the inbox/sent files to another computer with a known to be good installation of Seamonkey and rebuilt the indexes, same result, no messages - I tried to rename the files to something else (inbox2, a_inbox) and then copy them and rebuilt, the folders show up, their size reports as the huge number expect, but there are still no messages Other long shots that failed - I scanned the files for virues and malware and they are clean - I ran chkdsk on the backup external hard drive but found no problem Richard, I've read your post and cannot really suggest much, except I am uncertain if you actually deleted the inbox.msf and sent.msf files?? You may be aware that your incoming email is held in a file called inbox with no extension. the inbox.msf file is an index file for your inbox. If you actually delete the index file, inbox.msf, when you then select your inbox in SM1.1.18, a new inbox.msf file is created. Same same for the sent file (which contains your sent emails) If you haven't done it before, close SM 1.1.18, including the quick start icon, if you use it. Then do a Windows Find Folder and File looking for inbox.msf and sent.msf and if you find any, delete them, or at least rename them. Now open SM 1.1.18, select your inbox and see if a new index file is created.it may take a while if the inbox is really 1.6GByte. Good luck. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Once Ya' go to FF 'n' TB, Ya' may, never go back!
After using Firefox and Thunderbird a few days, now, I don't know why I stayed with SeaMonkey for so long; sorry, SeaMonkey enthusiasts ... and 'specially, SeaMonkey Developers! I appreciated 'Form Manager'; (and miss it very, much; in Firefox and when still, using SeaMonkey-2), and that is what really, kept me from switching; (I could live without Composer, and I could be content using Thunderbird for my Email and Newsgroups). It appeared, to me, that SeaMonkey-2 used very, similar code as Firefox, and being that the 'Form Manager' was now, similar to what I remember Firefox's form management being like, I decided to give Firefox / Thunderbird a try. (I figured eventually, SeaMonkey-2 would become the main-stay and SeaMonkey 1.*.* would be obsoleted out.) So, far I do not regret my decision. The only, thing I am unsure of my decision to switch is because there are ssooo, many, Add-Ons and Tweaks and customizations available for Firefox / Thunderbird that I am spending a lot of time playing with all of this; not a good thing for a 'can't leave it alone', 'tweak this, tweak that' sort of user; (I just, can't leave well enough alone ... but it is fun!) MikeyG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
On 12/11/09 06:37, Philip Chee wrote: What I meant to say was that we could still have added back grippies even if it violated the HiG but our Mac expert couldn't find a style of grippies that worked well (i.e. you could easily locate and click on it) while not looking totally out of place against the standard styling guidelines. THE solution is to not add any grippies but to make the whole splitter bars (Sidebar, Message Pane, etc.) double-clickable to automatically collapse/expand them. This behavior doesn't violate any Apple HIG and I think will make users happy again. -- Andrea XFox Govoni AIM/iChat/ICQ: x...@mac.com Yahoo! ID: xfox82 Skype Name: draykan PGP KeyID: 0x212E69C1 Fingerprint: FBE1 CA7D 34BE 4A53 9639 5C36 B7A0 605F 212E 69C1 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Andrea Govoni wrote: On 12/11/09 06:37, Philip Chee wrote: What I meant to say was that we could still have added back grippies even if it violated the HiG but our Mac expert couldn't find a style of grippies that worked well (i.e. you could easily locate and click on it) while not looking totally out of place against the standard styling guidelines. THE solution is to not add any grippies but to make the whole splitter bars (Sidebar, Message Pane, etc.) double-clickable to automatically collapse/expand them. This behavior doesn't violate any Apple HIG and I think will make users happy again. I could live with that! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Trouble installing newsfox update
Hey... DLed the latest newfox .xpi file. I used: File Open File xpi_file but I keep getting the error: The installation of Newsfox failed One of the files being overwritten is read-only I'm using V1.1.18 on OS X 10.5.8 Any ideas? TIA... -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:config Display
On 11/11/2009 8:49 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: [...] Nice riddle. A challenge. *g* Hm. MailNews doesn't matter for the about:config Display, so my first step in examining this would be to rename the prefs.js, restart SM2 in the browser with this profile and see, if the oddity remains. By the way, have you tested this profile with -safe-mode? Hartmut I tried safe mode for another reason a few days ago. Because most of my extensions were installed globally, they are active in safe mode. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Save Password..
Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: JD schrieb: Actually, what I've found is, on some web log ins, if I left mouse click on the username SM2 will offer a drop down menu with the un and once I select that it will fill in the two entries, un and password. But it isn't doing that with this particular log on. Banking site or similar? Sites like that ask SM to not store those information. regards Martin And I bet there is a way to tell SM that I want to store the information even when the site ask it not to. I just can't find what to change. ;-) The remember passwords droplet still works However, it cause the items to appears as I have explained you have to type in part of the username before the password will pop in. As for what the banks as for so long as you use as encrypted, and use as Master password for SM or FF. That should be _more than_ sufficient. The only one, that currently lives with me, is my 85 year old mother and she don't even know how to turn my computers on. I still have a Master password on all of my web Browsers and SM. I trust no one with my computer. As long as you work with a Master Password and encryption turned on, then the banks should have nothing to worry about. Now Bank of America have a Login then you are switched to a site key page and if you don't recognize the picture of your site key you don't type in your Password. Now that doesn't work with the Remember. Passwords droplet. No matter what I've tried, SM2 will not save the UN and/or PW. Try this link. I tried it and it works for me. I've backed up the original dmg file just in case Something goes bump. JD is kind of a moron sometimes. Drum roll please. It's now working and I've been able to save the password. (JD quietly explains, the PW manager doesn't popup like the old one did, it appears on the top of the web page and it only took JD three days to see it.) :-( -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Save Password..
JD: JD is kind of a moron sometimes. Drum roll please. It's now working and I've been able to save the password. (JD quietly explains, the PW manager doesn't popup like the old one did, it appears on the top of the web page and it only took JD three days to see it.) :-( You are not alone with overlooking such things. I am very good in such myself. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:config Display
On 11/12/2009 7:10 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 11/11/2009 8:49 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: [...] Nice riddle. A challenge. *g* Hm. MailNews doesn't matter for the about:config Display, so my first step in examining this would be to rename the prefs.js, restart SM2 in the browser with this profile and see, if the oddity remains. By the way, have you tested this profile with -safe-mode? Hartmut I tried safe mode for another reason a few days ago. Because most of my extensions were installed globally, they are active in safe mode. I closed SeaMonkey. In the profile where I saw the anomalous about:config display, I renamed files profile.js and user.js. Then I restarted SeaMonkey. In that profile, the about:config display appeared as for the other profiles. I closed SeaMonkey. In the profile where I saw the anomalous about:config display, I restored the names of files profile.js and user.js. Then I restarted SeaMonkey. In that profile, the about:config display remained the same as for the other profiles. Problem fixed. This is strange since the problem was occurring every time before then. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SOLVED: Composing in HTML For a Single Message -- 2.0
The procedure for composing in HTML for a single message (as opposed to all messages) appears to have changed from 1.1.x. However, the 2.0 Help file still refers to 1.1.x procedures as follows: If while composing a message you realize that one or more recipients may not be able to receive HTML-formatted mail, you can easily convert the message to a different format when you click Send: 1. In the Compose window, open the Options menu and choose Format. 2. Select the format you want to use for sending the message from the submenu: ===snipped That procedure no longer applies to 2.0 as there is no Format in the Options menu in 2.0. To compose in HTML for a single message, click on the down arrow to the right of the Compose icon. There you will be given the option of composing the current message in plain text or HTML ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 and full email folder
Samuel S wrote: Hello all, I Am running SM 2.0 and every time I dl mail, there is one folder which is skipped with the following message: The folder is full, and can't hold any more messages. T make room for more messages, delete any old or unwanted mail and compact the folder This folder has 564 messages, while several other folders have 2,804, 2,758, 8,595 and 779. What Am I missing here? The others work fine in the filter process. I've had that happen to me before and it seemed to only be a temporary glitch. I restarted SM (or was it restarting the computer?) and everything worked fine after that. Also, have you ever compacted that folder? It's worth a try. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Save Password..
JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: JD schrieb: Actually, what I've found is, on some web log ins, if I left mouse click on the username SM2 will offer a drop down menu with the un and once I select that it will fill in the two entries, un and password. But it isn't doing that with this particular log on. Banking site or similar? Sites like that ask SM to not store those information. regards Martin And I bet there is a way to tell SM that I want to store the information even when the site ask it not to. I just can't find what to change. ;-) The remember passwords droplet still works However, it cause the items to appears as I have explained you have to type in part of the username before the password will pop in. As for what the banks as for so long as you use as encrypted, and use as Master password for SM or FF. That should be _more than_ sufficient. The only one, that currently lives with me, is my 85 year old mother and she don't even know how to turn my computers on. I still have a Master password on all of my web Browsers and SM. I trust no one with my computer. As long as you work with a Master Password and encryption turned on, then the banks should have nothing to worry about. Now Bank of America have a Login then you are switched to a site key page and if you don't recognize the picture of your site key you don't type in your Password. Now that doesn't work with the Remember. Passwords droplet. No matter what I've tried, SM2 will not save the UN and/or PW. Try this link. I tried it and it works for me. I've backed up the original dmg file just in case Something goes bump. Maybe you could post the link? ;-) http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/ -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gettin' a Grippie...
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: I can't take it anymore - I've reverted to using the built-in SM Modern theme over the new default theme for SM 2.0...because I can have my panel grippies back when I do that. I just installed SM 2.0 on my G5 iMac running Leopard - the update/profile went smoothly, with most of the issues I also saw updating SnoLep on my MacBook. But I immediately swapped the theme from default to SM Modern - to get a grippie on it. I think I've seen all I need to see of the new default theme - will likely swap themes on my MacBook too before the afternoon is out. Macs always seems to get shorted in almost all applications. Evidently they either think that we don't want or need it or don't have good Mac Developers. I swapped to the older theme shortly after I posted...happier now...I got a grippie(s)... ...don't understand why it's there in one built-in, and not in the other...if I could import the Classic (NS style) theme from 1.1.18 I'd do that just to have another option...I can't do that, can I? According to Phil Chee on the mac version only the default is to comply with Apple 's edict on human Interface. But I as a Human Interface prefers the interface to work as I want it. No as Some company dictates even if it is my Favorite Computer Company. I would say what the fellow that wrote the edict was full of . But I don't want this post to be deleted nor censored. An application should work like users want it to, not like someone else thinks it should. Period! -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
[HOW-TO] Import Passwords from Firefox/Thunderbird to SM 2.0
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1588545 Importing Passwords from Firefox and Thunderbird the easy way. 1. In Firefox/Thunderbird, install Password Exporter 1.2 from: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter 2. Export your passwords to a XML file. 3. In SeaMonkey 2.0, install Password Exporter 1.2. 4. Import your passwords from the XML file generated in Step 2. http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#passwordexporter --==-- Password Exporter is an extension for Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird that allows you to export and import your saved passwords and disabled login hosts from Password Manager. The logins will be exported to an XML (Extensible Markup Language) or CSV (Comma Separated Values) file and can then be imported into another application or computer that has Password Exporter installed. Where to find it: Firefox Options/Preferences - Security pane - Import/Export Passwords button. OR SeaMonkey - Edit - Preferences - Privacy amp; Security pane - Passwords - Import/Export Passwords button. OR Add-ons Manager - Preferences/Options for the extension. --==-- Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Multiple user/passwords
BeeNeR wrote: On or about 11/11/2009 9:57 PM, Hartmut Figge typed the following: BeeNeR: Neither yours or George Carden's solution works for me. The page I use multiple log-ins on is http://www.mail.com/ I have a couple of e-mail addresses that I use and I no longer get the drop down selection choice. Maybe a case of autocomplete=off? https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password Hartmut I don't think so since it does complete if I only enter the first letter. ie if I have two users starting with 'e' and I enter 'e' a drop down box appears with both users that start with 'e'. In 1.x versions I didn't have to enter anything. If I clicked on the user entry box I received a dropdown box with ALL users no matter what the spelling and I could click on the user I wanted. Try this work around on a Duplicate of the SM2 Application: http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/ -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Multiple user/passwords
BeeNeR wrote: On or about 11/11/2009 9:57 PM, Hartmut Figge typed the following: BeeNeR: Neither yours or George Carden's solution works for me. The page I use multiple log-ins on is http://www.mail.com/ I have a couple of e-mail addresses that I use and I no longer get the drop down selection choice. Maybe a case of autocomplete=off? https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password Hartmut I don't think so since it does complete if I only enter the first letter. ie if I have two users starting with 'e' and I enter 'e' a drop down box appears with both users that start with 'e'. In 1.x versions I didn't have to enter anything. If I clicked on the user entry box I received a dropdown box with ALL users no matter what the spelling and I could click on the user I wanted. And BTW: anyone using username/passwords for Banks or CC companies shoul be using a Master password and have encryption turned on. This include even in your own house. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gettin' a Grippie...
Phillip Jones: An application should work like users want it to, not like someone else thinks it should. Period! Well, exactly for this reason i have some private patches. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-11 8:41 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-11 4:37 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I have grippies on my Mac with the Modern theme using 1.1.18. You have Mac version or PC Version. It seems even in Mozilla products the Mac platform got short shrift. Philip Chee already stated in this thread [1], that not adding grippies was intentional, because it didn't conform to Apple's human interface guidelines [2]. Well I prefer to use My Human Interface guidelines. It something I've used since the days of Communicator and found useful. You develop software for the people that use it not some silly edict by a company, even if its my favorite computer Manufacturer Then what did you mean by short shrift? In the case grippies, SeaMonkey developers paid attention to an issue specific to Mac and addressed it. You have my permission to pass this along to Apple. And I still don't recall any mass outrage. Which news server was that? Which newsgroup? [1]http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/7f1c3372a7d4aada [2]http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/DOCUMENTATION/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html it was the SM/Mozilla groups on the old Mozilla server before it was turned over to Giganews the SM/Mozilla groups on the old Mozilla server is the netscape.public.mozilla.* hierarchy, which is archived on Google Groups. Now that there is an archive available to you, you can back up your claims with URLs. http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=usenet%3Dnetscape.public.mozilla I type in Grippies and there was showing least at 121 instances as far back as 2006 on the subject. Its possible there are more under different spellings and this just indicates number of times the subject came up not the number of threads for each time. Other Possible spelling are Grippies, grippies, gripies, Gripies, Griplets, Griplets, Griplets, and so on. Based on subjects and threads in those subject I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't actually a 1000 post or more on the subject. And it only goes back as far as 2006 there was likely post about before then. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Andrea Govoni wrote: On 12/11/09 06:37, Philip Chee wrote: What I meant to say was that we could still have added back grippies even if it violated the HiG but our Mac expert couldn't find a style of grippies that worked well (i.e. you could easily locate and click on it) while not looking totally out of place against the standard styling guidelines. THE solution is to not add any grippies but to make the whole splitter bars (Sidebar, Message Pane, etc.) double-clickable to automatically collapse/expand them. This behavior doesn't violate any Apple HIG and I think will make users happy again. Yes that could work. you have to make the dividing line a little thicker. Enough for the mouse pointer to have to latch on to. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:43:30 -0500, Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-11 4:37 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: ...I have grippies on my Mac with the Modern theme using 1.1.18. You have Mac version or PC Version. It seems even in Mozilla products the Mac platform got short shrift. Philip Chee already stated in this thread [1], that not adding grippies was intentional, because it didn't conform to Apple's human interface guidelines [2]. What I meant to say was that we could still have added back grippies even if it violated the HiG but our Mac expert couldn't find a style of grippies that worked well (i.e. you could easily locate and click on it) while not looking totally out of place against the standard styling guidelines. Note I don't use a Mac so everything I say here about the issue is at best third hand. Phil Ahh That different. all he had to do was provide the devider with an an open circle in the very center and fixed it so when the open circle _o_ was clicked on it would collapse or expand the window. Believe me its a time save when you wan to mark a group of newspost or emails as read. Now with the themes without the Grppies you have to Drag the window down mark the items drag the bar back. you can never get it back to same position. a time waster. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Martin Freitag wrote: John Doue schrieb: Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. I could not have said it better! :-) You're missing the point on this whole issue I think. Seamonkey2.0 moved to the new toolkit backend. The old Form-Manager could _not_ be kept that way, it needs a rewrite. As noone was there to maintain that code and noone implemented a new solution there is none (or at least not the way it used to be). regards Martin No we're not missing the point. You could have wrote a new one. But you didn't have time . The Forms history extension is sort of acceptable replacement. But it should not have been necessary add an extension to do what people have come to expect all along. Don't try to port old code. Open up SM 1.1.8 document what it actually does, and write new code to provide the same service. It will be two years or more before 2.1 will be on the scene if you go in .01 increments. You have enough time to add it back. I wish you developers would open the old program document every feature that exist. and provide those features using new code not try to port the old code. design it with new windows , whatever, but put the same general purpose back in. If you can't design it get in touch with the design of Forms history tool and buy the code and add it in. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey v1.1.18 problem with AskMen.com's videos?
http://www.askmen.com/video/ Is anyone else having missing Flash videos in v1.1.18 (will upgrade to v2 soon but not now)? Example: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/714/screenshotg.gif ... Thank you in advance. :) -- Hey dad, look. I put honey on my back, and now the ants are carrying me home. --Chris from Family Guy /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Password pre-fill doesn't work with transformed documents
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:11:06 -0800, /NoOp/: On 11/11/2009 01:10 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:29:50 -0600, /JD/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Enter foo for username and bar for password. The system will respond they are invalid but Firefox/SeaMonkey will offer you to store them, anyway... I have a similar problem with one online credit card site. It doesn't let anything be remembered... Please note again the problem I'm prescribing is not about remembering the password - just about its automatic prefill. It won't work unless the username/password it valid. Try another example using a *valid* username/password. Why would SM remember a username/password that failed? Please read the whole thread. I've already pointed out I have a valid username/password stored. SM would remember a username/password that failed because in most of the cases it doesn't understand they are not valid. Note in the example steps I've given the invalid username/password get stored without problem, too. It is just that they don't get prefilled. You've probably already tried it but... I have several pages that don't prefill and don't prelaunch the master password prompt, until I type in a field. Then the master password popup interrupts... annoying. On some pages, nothing prefills but double clicking in the box fills or offers multiple choices. Once selected, the associated password is filled. I have had to go in and remove stored info for pages and enter again after, I assume, the page had been modified/updated/upgraded/etc. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.18 vs SeaMonkey 2.1 (if/when 2.1 is released)
On Nov 11, 3:51 pm, Frog f...@pond.com wrote: I will clearly state that I am not a computer whiz...thus, I have a number of concerns regarding SeaMonkey 2.0 installation on my system. I have been reading the many SeaMonkey 2.0 messages on this newsgroup with some concern about my ability to fix the problems that could occur with the installation of 2.0. It seems that the move from 1.1.18 to 2.0 is not happening without a number of glitches along the way. Thus, in light of what I have read, I am wondering if it would wise for me to wait for a future release of SeaMonkey before upgrading my system...I suppose I am hoping that some changes will be incorporated into a future upgrade, that would make the move go more smoothly. Any comments would be appreciated. Also, a list of actions to take, or not to take, during the installation of 2.0 would also be very helpful...just in case I get brave enough to proceed with the 2.0 installation. Note: Windows XP Pro SP3 I have always allowed previous SeaMonkey installations to be loaded using default locations. I suppose that I do have concerns about what happens to the plug I have downloaded. I only have one profile on my system. Frog Hi there. I have read recently that when installing 2.0 don't install the the same directory as version 1.1.18 or it will disable the application and both versions will be disabled. Install 2.0 into a different directory or the default install settings location in the install program. Also, It may be wise to first uninstall the earlier version before installing 2.0 because this is what happened to me, although my SM2.0 works properly, the earlier version of Seamonkey is still in my computer and in my windows quicklaunch. I just keep both versions in my computer until I find out if uninstalling the older version will disable the newer version. The version 2.0 may not be an upgrade but an entirely independent program. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What extensions for tabs?
I'm hoping multizilla gets updated for 2.0 but since it's not out yet, what extensions are there for SeaMonkey 2.0 that can give me more control over how tabbed browsing works. (A dev version of tab mix plus that works on SM would also be acceptable for now if it exists) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue
On 11/11/2009 06:42 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: On 11/11/2009 04:27 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Look here. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112.png (21 KB) What you fail to provide is the screenshot for the outgoing server. Because it doesn't matter for this case. But here it is. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112-b.png (22 KB) Are you telling me that you can post to news.ethernal-september.org (other than there ethernal-september.org newsgroups without an email address and using localhost as your outgoing nntp server? No. I'm telling you, that localhost is assigned to SMTP, in this case, not normally, and has nothing to do with posting to eternal. And of course once again you are indeed correct - my humble apologies. Note to self: *Never* turn on the computer after celebrating Veteran's Day... wait until the morning after :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Links in Emails From Facebook open in Facebook Mobile?!?!
So, riddle me this one folks I get email updates from Facebook They contain urls to the subjects in question but when I click them in the email reader, they open in Facebook Mobile in my browser Which often means, they don't come anywhere NEAR where they're supposed to lead to Any 411 on this issue??? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Links in Emails From Facebook open in Facebook Mobile?!?!
ClintonHammond wrote: So, riddle me this one folks I get email updates from Facebook They contain urls to the subjects in question but when I click them in the email reader, they open in Facebook Mobile in my browser Which often means, they don't come anywhere NEAR where they're supposed to lead to Any 411 on this issue??? Mine, too. I think it's Facebook's problem, though it seems to be working right now... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Links in Emails From Facebook open in Facebook Mobile?!?!
On Nov 12, 1:19 pm, George Carden cardboa...@comcast.net wrote: Mine, too. I think it's Facebook's problem, though it seems to be working right now... I just tried, and still got booted to Facebook Mobile. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
me2 wrote: BTW, who decided the old form manger wasn't needed/used/wanted? The Firefox developers. To be fair, they made that decision for Firefox only. When SeaMonkey made the switch to the common back-end (Toolkit) this is what we got. The old form manager would have had to be reimplemented in the new environment but obviously that didn't happen. Even if someone stepped up to do the work now I don't know whether the old form manager behavior would be accepted for inclusion in newer SeaMonkey versions. Unless someone tries I guess it won't ever happen. But of course there's always the possibility that someone develops an extension that implements something similar. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Have I Migrated My Profile??
cciaffone wrote: In any case, are there certain file names and/or formats that are different from 1.1.18 to 2.0?? Can I look in the folders and files and find some 2.0 marker?? A SeaMonkey 2 profile may contain these files that won't be there in an old profile (the list is incomplete): - extensions/ directory - extensions.* - *.sqlite* HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Copy Paste
psuatocobra wrote: A MozillaZine Forums post, http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1558785start=15 , contains an interesting comment: Look, the problem is with Seamonkey when you try to copy text out of it. Every other browser allows copy without problem. I am having the same issue. It happened as soon as my Seamonkey 2.0 beta upgraded itself to the release version. Also, copy was working fine in the 2.0 beta and RC2. Same firewall, same antivirus, the only thing that changed was Seamonkey. Paste from non-Seamonkey apps into Seamonkey works fine for me. So, this poster claims that copy--paste worked fine in SeaMonkey 2.0 right up until the time it went GA (IBM talk meaning Generally Available), released for production, final edition, etc. This sounds like key info for determining the cause. Yet RC2 and the final version are identical, so it doesn't sound like it came from a change in SeaMonkey (as there was none). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Have I Migrated My Profile??
JAS wrote: cciaffone wrote: I am still not sure whether I actually migrated my 1.1.18 profile to a 2.0 format or whether I just copied over the files. The Migration Wizard seemed a bit unsure as to what it was actually doing. In any case, are there certain file names and/or formats that are different from 1.1.18 to 2.0?? Can I look in the folders and files and find some 2.0 marker?? What exactly is the difference in migration and merely coping? JAS I also got the impression from some earlier discussion that copying IS one way of doing a migration, although it is not clear that it is the same or different from using the migration wizard. In fact, I just did an in-place migration of a 10GB+ profile (almost all mail files of course) by creating a new SM 2 profile and then totally replacing it with the old profile and starting SM 2. This seemed to do almost everything necessary except that reading News wouldn't work, so I just deleted all the News .msf files and let it re-create them. Clearly this isn't the supported way of doing a migration but does work, mostly. Obviously some thought and programming went into the case of SM2 wakes up and finds it has SM 1 files. Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 and full email folder
Samuel S wrote: Hello all, I Am running SM 2.0 and every time I dl mail, there is one folder which is skipped with the following message: The folder is full, and can't hold any more messages. T make room for more messages, delete any old or unwanted mail and compact the folder This message is only supposed to appear if the (local) folder is bigger than 4 GB (or would be after applying the scheduled action). In reality it can also be issued if getting the on-disk size of the folder fails for any reason. Source: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/search?string=mailboxTooLarge HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Save Password..
Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: JD schrieb: Actually, what I've found is, on some web log ins, if I left mouse click on the username SM2 will offer a drop down menu with the un and once I select that it will fill in the two entries, un and password. But it isn't doing that with this particular log on. Banking site or similar? Sites like that ask SM to not store those information. regards Martin And I bet there is a way to tell SM that I want to store the information even when the site ask it not to. I just can't find what to change. ;-) The remember passwords droplet still works However, it cause the items to appears as I have explained you have to type in part of the username before the password will pop in. As for what the banks as for so long as you use as encrypted, and use as Master password for SM or FF. That should be _more than_ sufficient. The only one, that currently lives with me, is my 85 year old mother and she don't even know how to turn my computers on. I still have a Master password on all of my web Browsers and SM. I trust no one with my computer. As long as you work with a Master Password and encryption turned on, then the banks should have nothing to worry about. Now Bank of America have a Login then you are switched to a site key page and if you don't recognize the picture of your site key you don't type in your Password. Now that doesn't work with the Remember. Passwords droplet. No matter what I've tried, SM2 will not save the UN and/or PW. Try this link. I tried it and it works for me. I've backed up the original dmg file just in case Something goes bump. Maybe you could post the link? ;-) http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/ Did you see my other reply. After doing what's on that web page, it's working, I just didn't see it. Link has been saved. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
On 09-11-12 10:54 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-11 8:41 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-11 4:37 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: You have Mac version or PC Version. It seems even in Mozilla products the Mac platform got short shrift. Philip Chee already stated in this thread [1], that not adding grippies was intentional, because it didn't conform to Apple's human interface guidelines [2]. Well I prefer to use My Human Interface guidelines. It something I've used since the days of Communicator and found useful. You develop software for the people that use it not some silly edict by a company, even if its my favorite computer Manufacturer Then what did you mean by short shrift? In the case grippies, SeaMonkey developers paid attention to an issue specific to Mac and addressed it. You never answered the above question. If I google short shrift, I read that it means to give very little consideration/time. Yet in this case, grippies were not included in the default theme on Mac /because/ SeaMonkey developers took the time and effort to consider Apple HIG. As Rufus put it, followed to the letter. :-) That's the opposite of 'short shrift'. (let alone the fact that you generalized it to Mozilla products) As a matter of fact, if you do a search of bugzilla for any SeaMonkey bugs with a comment containing all the strings grippies apple hig, you'll find the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460699 Make the default theme look better *on mac* (bold added by me) Whether or not you disagree with the decision is completely separate. You presumed to know *why* grippies are not there. And I still don't recall any mass outrage. Which news server was that? Which newsgroup? the SM/Mozilla groups on the old Mozilla server is the netscape.public.mozilla.* hierarchy, which is archived on Google Groups. Now that there is an archive available to you, you can back up your claims with URLs. http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=usenet%3Dnetscape.public.mozilla I type in Grippies and there was showing least at 121 instances as far back as 2006 on the subject. Its possible there are more under different spellings and this just indicates number of times the subject came up not the number of threads for each time. Other Possible spelling are Grippies, grippies, gripies, Gripies, Griplets, Griplets, Griplets, and so on. Based on subjects and threads in those subject I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't actually a 1000 post or more on the subject. And it only goes back as far as 2006 there was likely post about before then. That's not my problem. You made the claim; it's your responsibility to back it up. It's called a bibliography. If you're having trouble narrowing your search, how about grippies gone or some variation of that. The netscape.public.mozilla.* newsgroups have been archived since around the year 2000 or before. If you cannot find instances in the time you claim the mass outrage existed, that's a sign that you're wrong. It's natural if you're upset about a change and find someone (maybe two) who agree with you, to remember it as mass outrage. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia Keeper of the Knowledge Base: https://support.mozilla.com/kb/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gettin' a Grippie...
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: I can't take it anymore - I've reverted to using the built-in SM Modern theme over the new default theme for SM 2.0...because I can have my panel grippies back when I do that. I just installed SM 2.0 on my G5 iMac running Leopard - the update/profile went smoothly, with most of the issues I also saw updating SnoLep on my MacBook. But I immediately swapped the theme from default to SM Modern - to get a grippie on it. I think I've seen all I need to see of the new default theme - will likely swap themes on my MacBook too before the afternoon is out. Macs always seems to get shorted in almost all applications. Evidently they either think that we don't want or need it or don't have good Mac Developers. I swapped to the older theme shortly after I posted...happier now...I got a grippie(s)... ...don't understand why it's there in one built-in, and not in the other...if I could import the Classic (NS style) theme from 1.1.18 I'd do that just to have another option...I can't do that, can I? According to Phil Chee on the mac version only the default is to comply with Apple 's edict on human Interface. But I as a Human Interface prefers the interface to work as I want it. No as Some company dictates even if it is my Favorite Computer Company. I would say what the fellow that wrote the edict was full of . But I don't want this post to be deleted nor censored. An application should work like users want it to, not like someone else thinks it should. Period! My point exactly - it's one thing if the Manufacturer wants to produce an OEM product that way, but a third party has no reason not to respond to and/or implement direct requests of users! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Leonidas Jones wrote: Andrea Govoni wrote: On 12/11/09 06:37, Philip Chee wrote: /snip/ THE solution is to not add any grippies but to make the whole splitter bars (Sidebar, Message Pane, etc.) double-clickable to automatically collapse/expand them. This behavior doesn't violate any Apple HIG and I think will make users happy again. That's actually the better solution. In most cases, you can grab the splitter and drag it, so most of the time the grippies are not really needed. However, in Rufus' example of the sidebar, the sidebar won't close all the way doing that. Lee ...unless you're working on a laptop with a trackpad - then not having grippies/snap-on-click is seriously annoying. Won't close or open - I have to drag for open/close. And as mentioned, the splitter bar is too narrow to get a...wait for it - grip on - with a trackpad. Particularly the gesturing trackpad...I get all sorts of mis-clicks and frustration just trying to get the cursor on it, let alone drag it... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Save Password..
JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: JD schrieb: Actually, what I've found is, on some web log ins, if I left mouse click on the username SM2 will offer a drop down menu with the un and once I select that it will fill in the two entries, un and password. But it isn't doing that with this particular log on. Banking site or similar? Sites like that ask SM to not store those information. regards Martin And I bet there is a way to tell SM that I want to store the information even when the site ask it not to. I just can't find what to change. ;-) The remember passwords droplet still works However, it cause the items to appears as I have explained you have to type in part of the username before the password will pop in. As for what the banks as for so long as you use as encrypted, and use as Master password for SM or FF. That should be _more than_ sufficient. The only one, that currently lives with me, is my 85 year old mother and she don't even know how to turn my computers on. I still have a Master password on all of my web Browsers and SM. I trust no one with my computer. As long as you work with a Master Password and encryption turned on, then the banks should have nothing to worry about. Now Bank of America have a Login then you are switched to a site key page and if you don't recognize the picture of your site key you don't type in your Password. Now that doesn't work with the Remember. Passwords droplet. No matter what I've tried, SM2 will not save the UN and/or PW. Try this link. I tried it and it works for me. I've backed up the original dmg file just in case Something goes bump. Maybe you could post the link? ;-) http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/ Did you see my other reply. After doing what's on that web page, it's working, I just didn't see it. Link has been saved. I post to thread as I see them. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.18 vs SeaMonkey 2.1 (if/when 2.1 is released)
Frog wrote: Thus, in light of what I have read, I am wondering if it would wise for me to wait for a future release of SeaMonkey before upgrading my system...I suppose I am hoping that some changes will be incorporated into a future upgrade, that would make the move go more smoothly. Any comments would be appreciated. You may want to wait for some minor release, e.g. SeaMonkey 2.0.1 or 2.0.2. You should not wait for SeaMonkey 2.1, though, since that one will probably give a worse migration experience (AFAIK the ability to migrate download history will be removed in that version). HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-12 10:54 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-11 8:41 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 09-11-11 4:37 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: You have Mac version or PC Version. It seems even in Mozilla products the Mac platform got short shrift. Philip Chee already stated in this thread [1], that not adding grippies was intentional, because it didn't conform to Apple's human interface guidelines [2]. Well I prefer to use My Human Interface guidelines. It something I've used since the days of Communicator and found useful. You develop software for the people that use it not some silly edict by a company, even if its my favorite computer Manufacturer Then what did you mean by short shrift? In the case grippies, SeaMonkey developers paid attention to an issue specific to Mac and addressed it. You never answered the above question. If I google short shrift, I read that it means to give very little consideration/time. Yet in this case, grippies were not included in the default theme on Mac /because/ SeaMonkey developers took the time and effort to consider Apple HIG. As Rufus put it, followed to the letter. :-) That's the opposite of 'short shrift'. (let alone the fact that you generalized it to Mozilla products) As a matter of fact, if you do a search of bugzilla for any SeaMonkey bugs with a comment containing all the strings grippies apple hig, you'll find the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460699 Make the default theme look better *on mac* (bold added by me) Whether or not you disagree with the decision is completely separate. You presumed to know *why* grippies are not there. And I still don't recall any mass outrage. Which news server was that? Which newsgroup? the SM/Mozilla groups on the old Mozilla server is the netscape.public.mozilla.* hierarchy, which is archived on Google Groups. Now that there is an archive available to you, you can back up your claims with URLs. http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=usenet%3Dnetscape.public.mozilla I type in Grippies and there was showing least at 121 instances as far back as 2006 on the subject. Its possible there are more under different spellings and this just indicates number of times the subject came up not the number of threads for each time. Other Possible spelling are Grippies, grippies, gripies, Gripies, Griplets, Griplets, Griplets, and so on. Based on subjects and threads in those subject I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't actually a 1000 post or more on the subject. And it only goes back as far as 2006 there was likely post about before then. That's not my problem. You made the claim; it's your responsibility to back it up. It's called a bibliography. If you're having trouble narrowing your search, how about grippies gone or some variation of that. The netscape.public.mozilla.* newsgroups have been archived since around the year 2000 or before. If you cannot find instances in the time you claim the mass outrage existed, that's a sign that you're wrong. It's natural if you're upset about a change and find someone (maybe two) who agree with you, to remember it as mass outrage. I found at least 121 entries for the subject. going back to 2006 as I said That was just using on particular spelling. I don't believe use Fuzzy logic for these search. and at least 121 items is not one or two I any event we mad our case and someone has already suggested a way (not me) how to put the action back on the default theme. who knows maybe it will happen. They may also be blowing smoke. I and Rufus and other have found that the Modern theme provides them and we do have other themes that provide it. Although the situation is not ideal it is workable now. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
