Re: Printout Password Manager Entries?

[Philip Chee]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:02:53 +0100, Martin Freitag wrote:
> Tom schrieb:
>> I have entries in Password Manager since 1999 and many are no longer
>> used and there are many duplicates. In order to prune out old entries,
>> I'd like to be able to print out all of the entries. Is there any way to
>> do this with some kind hex editor?
> 
> Use Password Exporter Extension:
> http://code.google.com/p/passwordexporter/
> 
> It may be required to set extensions.CheckCompatibility to false in 
> about:config to install.
> regards

Or use this version:



Phil

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Re: off line view of web sites

[Philip Chee]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:58:39 +0800, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
>   n...@home wrote:
>> »Q« wrote:
>>> In,

>>> Try Philip Chee's modified version at
>>> .  Note that you
>>> also need his xSidebar extension installed.  Philip hangs out here, in
>>> case you run into any trouble.
>>>
>> Thanks.  I couldn't find the xsidebar extension, but when I downloaded 

It's on the same website!!! Just click on the "Installation" or "Home"
link at the top of the page where you found the modified Scrapbook.

> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/downloads/latest/3284/addon-3284-latest.xpi

What's wrong with:



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Re: off line view of web sites

[Philip Chee]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:49:28 +0100, Martin Freitag wrote:
> n...@home schrieb:
>>
>> Thanks. I couldn't find the xsidebar extension, but when I downloaded
>> the scrapbook file it went ahead and installed, so either I unknowingly
>> had the xsidebar extension, or it is automatically loaded with the
>> scrapbook version. Now I'm off to find some sites to copy for our next
>> trip.
> 
> 
> afaik xsidebar was made for SM1, probably some functionality is built in 
> into SM2.
> btw: you can see which extensions are installed in the AddOn-Manager.
> regards

Since the Scrapbook extension depends on the Firefox sidebar, you would
still need the xSidebar in SeaMonkey 2.0 in order to access the
Scrapbook UI/database.

Phil

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Re: Happens every Year .

[Philip Chee]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:52:02 -0800, NoOp wrote:
> On 12/24/2009 12:32 PM, question wrote:
>> Merry Xmas to all
> 
> In the USA there is a template for this:
> 
> 
> To My Democrat  Friends:

You are obviously not an American because the correct terminology is
"Democratic" not "Democrat".

> Please accept with no  obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
> for an environmentally conscious,  socially responsible, low-stress,
> non-addictive, gender-neutral  celebration of the winter solstice
> holiday, practiced within  the most enjoyable traditions of the
> religious persuasion of  your choice, or secular practices of your
> choice, with respect  for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
> traditions of others, or  their choice not to practice religious or
> secular traditions at  all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
> personally fulfilling and medically  uncomplicated recognition of the
> onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010,  but not without due
> respect for the calendars of choice of other  cultures whose
> contributions to society have helped make America  great. Not to imply
> that America is necessarily greater than any  other country nor the only
> America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without
> regard to the  race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious
> faith, familiar status, or  sexual orientation of the wished.

This sounds more like a Universal-Unitarian greeting than one from a
political party.

Phil (Not an American either)

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Re: Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews

[Barry Edwin Gilmour]

 Martin Freitag wrote:

Bill Davidsen schrieb:

When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll indicator
can be used to move the view up or down. If I middle click in the scroll
region the indicator and display move to that spot. Useful so I can move
around. In 2.0.1 the same action opens a tab instead of scrolling. Note:
no I am *not* clicking on the article header by accident, that's a
useful behavior.

The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which
requires use of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit at
all from this behavior and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx 
interface.


I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and
should not apply to the scrollbar!



why would you middle-click instead of a normal click?

Never really noticed it before, but normal-click only scrolls 6-lines in 
the direction of the click ( = same Preferences-setting as the 
mouse-scroll-wheel)
Middle-click goes precisely to wherever I click it in the scrollbar, 
regardless of lines. Its been the same-behaviour I've got used-to, 
through various Linuxes over a lot of years. Barry.

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Re: Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews

[Barry Edwin Gilmour]

 Bill Davidsen wrote:
When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll 
indicator can be used to move the view up or down. If I middle click 
in the scroll region the indicator and display move to that spot. 
Useful so I can move around. In 2.0.1 the same action opens a tab 
instead of scrolling. Note: no I am *not* clicking on the article 
header by accident, that's a useful behavior.


The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which 
requires use of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit at 
all from this behavior and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx 
interface.


I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and 
should not apply to the scrollbar!


Sounds like one for the OS-build Bill.

Middle-click to header-scroll-position works fine in SM-2.*/Linux_64bit 
(and I also have set middle-click to-open new-tab in background 
left-click opening tab in foreground.

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Re: off line view of web sites

[Barry Edwin Gilmour]

 n...@home wrote:



»Q« wrote:

In,
"n...@home"  wrote:


I like to have access to certain web sites when I am remotely
situated, without internet access.

I was happy using Scrapbook with earlier versions of SM, but as I
updated SM (I am at v 2.0.1 now) Scrapbook has disappeared.  When I
go to their site they list compatibility with Firefox, but say
nothing about SM.


Try Philip Chee's modified version at
.  Note that you
also need his xSidebar extension installed.  Philip hangs out here, in
case you run into any trouble.

Thanks.  I couldn't find the xsidebar extension, but when I downloaded 
the scrapbook file it went ahead and installed, so either I 
unknowingly had the xsidebar extension, or it is automatically loaded 
with the scrapbook version.  Now I'm off to find some sites to copy 
for our next trip.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/downloads/latest/3284/addon-3284-latest.xpi

adds menus and better hooks for Scrapbook integration with SeaMonkey 2.*
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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/24/2009 05:35 PM, NoOp wrote:
...

I see that you were running a pre RC of lighting (1.0b2pre), can you try
the one that David suggested instead?


Sorry, I mean the one that Lee suggested.



ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

Let's see if that was the problem. Then, can you just try the most
recent prefbar (4.3.2)? It would be nice to try and determine which may
have been the issue. I also notice that you have another '0.3' extension
- can you clarify as to what that one is?





I might try PreBar again in a day or to.

I'm not use to SM crashing. I've had more crashes with SM 2 in the last 
couple of days than I had with SM 1 from the very start a period of 
about 3-4 years. I'm use to SM being almost as reliable as the operating 
system.


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/24/2009 05:35 PM, NoOp wrote:
...

I see that you were running a pre RC of lighting (1.0b2pre), can you try
the one that David suggested instead?


Sorry, I mean the one that Lee suggested.



ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

Let's see if that was the problem. Then, can you just try the most
recent prefbar (4.3.2)? It would be nice to try and determine which may
have been the issue. I also notice that you have another '0.3' extension
- can you clarify as to what that one is?





Image zoom 0.3
QuoteColors 0.3

QuoteColors was just upgrade to 0.3 to be compatible with SM 2.x

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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[NoOp]

On 12/24/2009 05:35 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> I see that you were running a pre RC of lighting (1.0b2pre), can you try
> the one that David suggested instead?

Sorry, I mean the one that Lee suggested.

> 
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/
> 
> Let's see if that was the problem. Then, can you just try the most
> recent prefbar (4.3.2)? It would be nice to try and determine which may
> have been the issue. I also notice that you have another '0.3' extension
> - can you clarify as to what that one is?
> 
> 

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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[NoOp]

On 12/24/2009 05:18 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
...
>>> I really can't say all I know is since I removed Prefbar and Lightning I
>>> have been crash free. and with them installed I was crashing about every
>>> 10 minutes.  I sent reports on 3 of them and used my email address.
>>>
>>
>> What are the report links?
>>
>> about:crashes
>>
>> Right click on the crash ID and post the link(s).
>>
>> Sample:
>> 
>>
> 
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-408f3ae8-02ec-464f-ac54-1965a2091224
> 
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-dc4f783f-3fe1-4926-81ca-9c3372091223
> 
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-68e79e92-f679-47b9-a0bc-54c9f2091223
> 
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-68e79e92-f679-47b9-a0bc-54c9f2091223
> 
> This last one is from when I installed 2.0 gold to replace 2.0 RC2
> 
> I dismissed several without reporting.
> 

I see that you were running a pre RC of lighting (1.0b2pre), can you try
the one that David suggested instead?

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

Let's see if that was the problem. Then, can you just try the most
recent prefbar (4.3.2)? It would be nice to try and determine which may
have been the issue. I also notice that you have another '0.3' extension
- can you clarify as to what that one is?


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/24/2009 03:33 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/23/2009 7:47 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
...


I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older
nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
since I installed it, on two machines.

Lee


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Prefbar 4.3.2

No issues.



I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample size.

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

With Prefbar 4.3.2.

Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

Lee


Is it possibly a Mac-specific issue?  That is, is it possible that some
of the extensions don't work right on a Mac?

I have the following:
* Adblock Plus 1.1.2 (http://adblockplus.org/)
* Flashblock 1.3.15 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/)
* PrefBar 4.3.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
* Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird
  /addon/6143/)
plus some that came automatically with SeaMonkey.

These are all running okay on my PC with Windows XP SP2 and
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
   Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

I plan to install PrefBar 4.3.2 tonight.


I really can't say all I know is since I removed Prefbar and Lightning I
have been crash free. and with them installed I was crashing about every
10 minutes.  I sent reports on 3 of them and used my email address.



What are the report links?

about:crashes

Right click on the crash ID and post the link(s).

Sample:




http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-408f3ae8-02ec-464f-ac54-1965a2091224

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-dc4f783f-3fe1-4926-81ca-9c3372091223

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-68e79e92-f679-47b9-a0bc-54c9f2091223

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-68e79e92-f679-47b9-a0bc-54c9f2091223

This last one is from when I installed 2.0 gold to replace 2.0 RC2

I dismissed several without reporting.

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Re: Happens every Year .

[NoOp]

On 12/24/2009 04:09 PM, Daniel wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 12/24/2009 12:32 PM, question wrote:
>>> Merry Xmas to all
>>
>> In the USA there is a template for this:
>>
>> 
>> To My Democrat  Friends:
>>
>> Please accept with no  obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
>> for an environmentally conscious,  socially responsible, low-stress,
>> non-addictive, gender-neutral  celebration of the winter solstice
>> holiday, practiced within  the most enjoyable traditions of the
>> religious persuasion of  your choice, or secular practices of your
>> choice, with respect  for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
>> traditions of others, or  their choice not to practice religious or
>> secular traditions at  all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
>> personally fulfilling and medically  uncomplicated recognition of the
>> onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010,  but not without due
>> respect for the calendars of choice of other  cultures whose
>> contributions to society have helped make America  great. Not to imply
>> that America is necessarily greater than any  other country nor the only
>> America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without
>> regard to the  race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious
>> faith, familiar status, or  sexual orientation of the wished.
>>
>>
>> To My Republican  Friends:
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a Happy  New Year!
>> 
>>
>> :-) Happy Holidays to all :-)
>>
> 
> "celebration of the winter solstice"doesn't that give undue emphasis 
> to the Druids??
> 

That does indeed! I shall file a bug report for that, and the fact the
other political parties (Independents et al) were left out of the
template; or more to the point perphaps that political parties were
mentioned at all! Good catch - thanks :-)


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[NoOp]

On 12/24/2009 03:33 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 12/23/2009 7:47 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> NoOp wrote:
 On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
 ...
>
> I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older
> nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
> Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
> since I installed it, on two machines.
>
> Lee

 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
 Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

 Prefbar 4.3.2

 No issues.

>>>
>>> I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample size.
>>>
>>>Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
>>> Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
>>>
>>> With Prefbar 4.3.2.
>>>
>>> Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/
>>>
>>> Lee
>>
>> Is it possibly a Mac-specific issue?  That is, is it possible that some
>> of the extensions don't work right on a Mac?
>>
>> I have the following:
>> * Adblock Plus 1.1.2 (http://adblockplus.org/)
>> * Flashblock 1.3.15 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/)
>> * PrefBar 4.3.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
>> * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird
>>  /addon/6143/)
>> plus some that came automatically with SeaMonkey.
>>
>> These are all running okay on my PC with Windows XP SP2 and
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
>>   Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
>>
>> I plan to install PrefBar 4.3.2 tonight.
>>
> I really can't say all I know is since I removed Prefbar and Lightning I 
> have been crash free. and with them installed I was crashing about every 
> 10 minutes.  I sent reports on 3 of them and used my email address.
> 

What are the report links?

about:crashes

Right click on the crash ID and post the link(s).

Sample:


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Leonidas Jones]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
...


I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older
nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
since I installed it, on two machines.

Lee


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Prefbar 4.3.2

No issues.



I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample size.

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

With Prefbar 4.3.2.

Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

Lee


I don't thinnk do.  I am running all the extensions Phillip listed, and 
Lightning and Prefbar.  I updated to the latest versions, and no 
problems at all so far.  SeaMonkey 2.0.1 has yet to crash since ai 
installed it.


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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/23/2009 7:47 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
...


I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an
older
nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
since I installed it, on two machines.

Lee


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Prefbar 4.3.2

No issues.



I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample
size.

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

With Prefbar 4.3.2.

Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

Lee


Is it possibly a Mac-specific issue? That is, is it possible that some
of the extensions don't work right on a Mac?

I have the following:
* Adblock Plus 1.1.2 (http://adblockplus.org/)
* Flashblock 1.3.15 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/)
* PrefBar 4.3.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
* Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird
/addon/6143/)
plus some that came automatically with SeaMonkey.

These are all running okay on my PC with Windows XP SP2 and
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

I plan to install PrefBar 4.3.2 tonight.


I really can't say all I know is since I removed Prefbar and Lightning I
have been crash free. and with them installed I was crashing about every
10 minutes. I sent reports on 3 of them and used my email address.



Try creating a test profile, and install Prefbar and Lightning, then the 
others, one by one and test.  I have all those extensions and remain 
crash free.


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Re: Happens every Year .

[Daniel]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/24/2009 12:32 PM, question wrote:

Merry Xmas to all


In the USA there is a template for this:


To My Democrat  Friends:

Please accept with no  obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious,  socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral  celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within  the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of  your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect  for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or  their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at  all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically  uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010,  but not without due
respect for the calendars of choice of other  cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America  great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any  other country nor the only
America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without
regard to the  race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious
faith, familiar status, or  sexual orientation of the wished.


To My Republican  Friends:

Merry Christmas and a Happy  New Year!


:-) Happy Holidays to all :-)



"celebration of the winter solstice"doesn't that give undue emphasis 
to the Druids??


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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[Daniel]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Daniel wrote:

NoOp wrote:



Thanks for that, NoOp. By default a.u.auto is set to True and
a.u.silent is set to False, which, to me, means it will automatically
update but will tell me it's doing it, which is what happened.

What *I* expected would happen was that SM would tell me there was an
update available and ask if I wanted to get and/or install it.


I think turning update.auto off does what you want.



Done, and we'll see what happens!!

Ta.

Daniel


While I'm posting, I suspect that the machine which messes up has an
extension 2.0.1 doesn't like. That would account for the failure on one
machine.




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Re: off line view of web sites

[Danny Kile]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 12/24/2009 9:35 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I use a program called Local Website Archive.

http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm


I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
doesn't pass muster:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
5 Errors

Compare:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html


Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one
whit attention about W3C specifications.

Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be
very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5
error is not a heck of a lot.

On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every
minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0.
Transitional spec. And I still not sure I've go everything.


I checked Mocrosoft.com, cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com
and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors. All their site seem to
work just fine, so much for validator. I did mozilla.org and it was the
only site that passed.

Danny


So much for validator?

The validator checks to see if the code that makes up the HTML/CSS is
correct. If it's not correct, it generates a validation warning/error.

If it's not correct, it's not correct. There are no two way about this.

The fact that a web site appears to function correctly doesn't mean the
HTML/CSS has no problems. Some problems can be big and some can be small.
Some will affect only certain browsers, some will affect only certain parts
of the application, etc.

Are you really saying that if the site appears to work to your standards
even with validation errors, that the validator has no value?

I am saying there are always more that one way to do the same thing no 
matter what you are doing.

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Re: off line view of web sites

[JeffM]

>Danny Kile wrote:
>>I checked Mocrosoft.com,
>>
M$'s stock in trade is BREAKING the standards of others.
This should come as no surprize to you.
...or are you an M$ fanboi?

>>cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com
>>and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors.
>>
Yes, this bears out my point
that many incompetent people are slopping together sites
--and other ignorant people are paying them for that drek.
My *specific* point was that
a company that is producing a Web-specific product
should know wrong from right in this arena.

>>All their site seem to work just fine,
>>
For today.  Using THAT browser.
http://google.com/search?q=cache:m2XM97fMGMIJ:www.evolt.org/article/Forward_compatibility_and_web_standards/17/60115/index.html+*-screwed-these-*-up+*-*-broken-links-everywhere+Large-sections-*-*-disappeared+mutual+mutual+*-didn't-support-*-proprietary-*-*-*-*-*+only-includes-Netscape-*+mutual+table-layout-images-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+it.did.not+*-*-*-*-incorrect-content-type-header#comment-60184
http://tinyurl.com/StandardsMatter

>>so much for validator.
>>
Ah.  Ignorance abounds.
So do low standards among the ignorant.

Mark Hansen wrote:
>If it's not correct, it's not correct. There are no two way about this.

You beat me to it.  I was going to say it as:
It's the difference between right and wrong.

As stated, people in that line of business
should be aware of the proper form for a Web page,
as that impacts the way their product works.
My link goes into the effects of standards
and the persistance of the apparent quality of a page.
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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[Phillip Jones]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/23/2009 7:47 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
...


I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older
nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
since I installed it, on two machines.

Lee


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Prefbar 4.3.2

No issues.



I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample size.

   Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

With Prefbar 4.3.2.

Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/

Lee


Is it possibly a Mac-specific issue?  That is, is it possible that some
of the extensions don't work right on a Mac?

I have the following:
* Adblock Plus 1.1.2 (http://adblockplus.org/)
* Flashblock 1.3.15 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/)
* PrefBar 4.3.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
* Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird
 /addon/6143/)
plus some that came automatically with SeaMonkey.

These are all running okay on my PC with Windows XP SP2 and
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
  Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

I plan to install PrefBar 4.3.2 tonight.

I really can't say all I know is since I removed Prefbar and Lightning I 
have been crash free. and with them installed I was crashing about every 
10 minutes.  I sent reports on 3 of them and used my email address.


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Re: off line view of web sites

[David E. Ross]

On 12/24/2009 2:37 PM, Mark Hansen wrote:
> On 12/24/2009 9:35 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
>> Phillip Jones wrote:
>>> JeffM wrote:
 Danny Kile wrote:
> I use a program called Local Website Archive.
>
> http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm

 I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
 doesn't pass muster:
 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
 5 Errors

 Compare:
 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html

>>> Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one
>>> whit attention about W3C specifications.
>>>
>>> Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be
>>> very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5
>>> error is not a heck of a lot.
>>>
>>> On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every
>>> minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0.
>>> Transitional spec. And I still not sure I've go everything.
>>>
>> I checked Mocrosoft.com, cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com 
>> and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors. All their site seem to 
>> work just fine, so much for validator. I did mozilla.org and it was the 
>> only site that passed.
>>
>> Danny
> 
> So much for validator?
> 
> The validator checks to see if the code that makes up the HTML/CSS is
> correct. If it's not correct, it generates a validation warning/error.
> 
> If it's not correct, it's not correct. There are no two way about this.
> 
> The fact that a web site appears to function correctly doesn't mean the
> HTML/CSS has no problems. Some problems can be big and some can be small.
> Some will affect only certain browsers, some will affect only certain parts
> of the application, etc.
> 
> Are you really saying that if the site appears to work to your standards
> even with validation errors, that the validator has no value?
> 

Some Web pages cannot be appropriately displayed by Gecko browsers.
Although Gecko browsers might possibly now hold a greater share of the
market than IE, there are still Web authors using Micro$oft tools to
create pages.

When complaining to the site's owner (who is not necessarily the
author), citing the W3C specifications and the number of errors found by
W3C validators can provide excellent support for the complaint.

Errors found by the validator might indicate that the site is
inaccessible to the handicapped.  If the Web site is based in the U.S.
and is commercial, such inaccessibility violates the Americans with
Disabilities Act (ADA); this too is excellent support for the complaint.
 If the site is owned by a U.S. federal agency, inaccessibility means
the site violates Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as
amended in 1998), also excellent support for the complaint.  From my
personal experience, it is not necessary to prove that the Web site is
actually inaccessible to the handicapped and violates either the ADA or
Rehabilitation Act of 1986; I have obtained corrective action merely by
suggesting there might be violations.

There is another aspect to the W3C validators, both the HTML/XHTML
validator and the CSS validator.  When someone complains that there is a
bug in Firefox or SeaMonkey because the browser fails to render a Web
page appropriately, the complaint is easily dismissed when the
validators find errors in the page.  After all, garbage in does indeed
often result in garbage out.

(NOTE:  When I say "appropriately", I mean "as the Web author intended".)

-- 
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Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: off line view of web sites

[Phillip Jones]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 12/24/2009 9:35 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I use a program called Local Website Archive.

http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm


I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
doesn't pass muster:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
5 Errors

Compare:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html


Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one
whit attention about W3C specifications.

Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be
very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5
error is not a heck of a lot.

On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every
minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0.
Transitional spec. And I still not sure I've go everything.


I checked Mocrosoft.com, cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com
and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors. All their site seem to
work just fine, so much for validator. I did mozilla.org and it was the
only site that passed.

Danny


So much for validator?

The validator checks to see if the code that makes up the HTML/CSS is
correct. If it's not correct, it generates a validation warning/error.

If it's not correct, it's not correct. There are no two way about this.

The fact that a web site appears to function correctly doesn't mean the
HTML/CSS has no problems. Some problems can be big and some can be small.
Some will affect only certain browsers, some will affect only certain parts
of the application, etc.

Are you really saying that if the site appears to work to your standards
even with validation errors, that the validator has no value?

The validator is good for people that know about and want to check to 
see how well they have written their code. So that they know it will 
work with *Any* Browser. However, There are many don't even know about 
W3C let a lone about the validator. Many professionals.


For example Adobe's Forums have moved from WebX to Jive ClearSpace. and 
talk about a train wreck. there is no way that is even remotely 
validates with the validator.


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Re: Printout Password Manager Entries?

[Martin Freitag]

Tom schrieb:

I have entries in Password Manager since 1999 and many are no longer
used and there are many duplicates. In order to prune out old entries,
I'd like to be able to print out all of the entries. Is there any way to
do this with some kind hex editor?


Use Password Exporter Extension:
http://code.google.com/p/passwordexporter/

It may be required to set extensions.CheckCompatibility to false in 
about:config to install.

regards

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Re: off line view of web sites

[Martin Freitag]

n...@home schrieb:


Thanks. I couldn't find the xsidebar extension, but when I downloaded
the scrapbook file it went ahead and installed, so either I unknowingly
had the xsidebar extension, or it is automatically loaded with the
scrapbook version. Now I'm off to find some sites to copy for our next
trip.



afaik xsidebar was made for SM1, probably some functionality is built in 
into SM2.

btw: you can see which extensions are installed in the AddOn-Manager.
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Re: Unable to import seamonkey 1.x to Seamonkey 2.0

[Martin Freitag]

ad...@mmri.us schrieb:

Does this mean that,  it is eventually the end  of all 1.x mail?
What about all my filters? Stored Passwords? etc

I use this in a corporate environment and it is going to be very painful
to tell everyone that this is now the end of their email and they will
have to completely start from scratch setting up everything.#



In a corporate environment users usually don't set up their clients 
theirselves o_0
have you ever tried migrating on several machines? Thousands of users 
(icluding me) have migrated successfully I doubt it will fail for all on 
your side. And if so, something is seriously borked on all systems and 
it should be the same cause everywhere.

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Re: off line view of web sites

[Mark Hansen]

On 12/24/2009 9:35 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
> Phillip Jones wrote:
>> JeffM wrote:
>>> Danny Kile wrote:
 I use a program called Local Website Archive.

 http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
>>>
>>> I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
>>> doesn't pass muster:
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
>>> 5 Errors
>>>
>>> Compare:
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html
>>>
>> Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one
>> whit attention about W3C specifications.
>>
>> Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be
>> very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5
>> error is not a heck of a lot.
>>
>> On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every
>> minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0.
>> Transitional spec. And I still not sure I've go everything.
>>
> I checked Mocrosoft.com, cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com 
> and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors. All their site seem to 
> work just fine, so much for validator. I did mozilla.org and it was the 
> only site that passed.
> 
> Danny

So much for validator?

The validator checks to see if the code that makes up the HTML/CSS is
correct. If it's not correct, it generates a validation warning/error.

If it's not correct, it's not correct. There are no two way about this.

The fact that a web site appears to function correctly doesn't mean the
HTML/CSS has no problems. Some problems can be big and some can be small.
Some will affect only certain browsers, some will affect only certain parts
of the application, etc.

Are you really saying that if the site appears to work to your standards
even with validation errors, that the validator has no value?

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Printout Password Manager Entries?

[Tom]

I have entries in Password Manager since 1999 and many are no longer 
used and there are many duplicates. In order to prune out old entries, 
I'd like to be able to print out all of the entries. Is there any way to 
do this with some kind hex editor?


Thanks, Tom
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Re: Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews

[Martin Freitag]

Bill Davidsen schrieb:

When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll indicator
can be used to move the view up or down. If I middle click in the scroll
region the indicator and display move to that spot. Useful so I can move
around. In 2.0.1 the same action opens a tab instead of scrolling. Note:
no I am *not* clicking on the article header by accident, that's a
useful behavior.

The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which
requires use of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit at
all from this behavior and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx interface.

I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and
should not apply to the scrollbar!



why would you middle-click instead of a normal click?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.1 won't print emails

[Phillip Jones]

Peter wrote:


SeaMonkey 2.0.1 won't print emails, or anything.

Can anyone help please?..

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1661975&start=0

Thank you.

Peter

works for me

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Re: off line view of web sites

[Phillip Jones]

Danny Kile wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I use a program called Local Website Archive.

http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm


I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
doesn't pass muster:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
5 Errors

Compare:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html


Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one
whit attention about W3C specifications.

Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be
very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5
error is not a heck of a lot.

On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every
minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0.
Transitional spec. And I still not sure I've go everything.


I checked Mocrosoft.com, cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com
and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors. All their site seem to
work just fine, so much for validator. I did mozilla.org and it was the
only site that passed.

Danny
I hope everyone doesn't take my post the wrong way. I am all for the W3C 
standards. I wish every website was 100 Compliant even those from MS. 
(which they don't, or didn't for a long time, so that only people that 
used IE could view their content.)


But realities are I would be surprised most profession and non Pro web 
designers never heard of W3C.


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Re: Happens every Year .

[Phillip Jones]

question wrote:

Merry Xmas to all


And to all a Good night!

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 problem

[Mort]

Daniel wrote:

Mort wrote:

Billy wrote:

I followed the instruction to completely clear my older version
of Seamonkey and have now paid a terrible price for doing this. I now
have completely lost my entire email address books (3 of them). More
importantly, my complete bookmark file with many years of research was
also gone.
I appreciate your work to improve Seamonkey. However, your
failure to address this possibility in your download instructions has
made this program useless to me. Looks like I will have to move on
and start all over again with my research. Bummer!


Hi,

Along these lines, when my Vista Home Premium worked poorly, a
commercial computer tech switched my PC to run Windows XP Pro. Most
things are stable since then, but I have an address book problem. My old
and lengthy address book did not carry over to XP. My hard drive has all
my old address book listings under "abook.", but in narrative text form.
Try as I may, I cannot migrate it to the address book in SeaMonkey,
where only my newer addresses are listed properly in nested categories
that are clickable. Any help with this problem will be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Mort Linder


Mort, I don't know what you have tried, but have you tried opening your
Bookmarks folder (in SeaMonkey, in a browser window, select
Bookmarks->Manage Bookmarks, then under Tools, select Import, select
File and then point to your bookmarks file.

Your mention of the name "abook"however, makes me think you are talking
about you e-mail addressbook. If this is your problem, click on the
Addressbook Icon at the bottom left of your mail screen, and then select
Tools=>Import.

HTH

Daniel

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your reply. Following your advice, I imported my old address 
book (abook) to my newest SM one, and got 471 items. Unfortunately, they 
are not in the usual format. Instead, I have 471 small icons at the left 
of the screen. Clicking on one at a time gives me only the first and 
last name of the addressee, and no e-mail address. I am perplexed.


Mort
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Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader

[»Q«]

In ,
Mark Hansen  wrote:

> On 12/24/2009 1:07 AM, Daniel wrote:
> > Mark Hansen wrote:
> >> Hmmm, I show 43,739. I guess it depends on how many headers were
> >> downloaded when the group was initially subscribed? I always
> >> download all headers (as I have a connection that makes this easy).
> > 
> > Interesting!!
> > 
> > I've just set up this new laptop in the past fortnight or so, and
> > for the four groups I check on this server, I downloaded all the
> > headers and this group, now, about six weeks after Marks post, is
> > only showing as 38943 messages!!
> 
> Is it because the news server has removed some of the older posts,
> such that if you get a new list today, it will not go back as far as
> the list I downloaded some time ago?
> 
> When I view all messages in the group, the first header I see is:
> 
>   "Welcome to mozilla.support.seamonkey", posted by Dave Miller on
> 1/9/2006.
> 
> Interestingly, the first response to that post was from you :-)

The headers and posts go back to the beginning of the group -- none
have expired due to age.  As I type this, the most recent article
number is 47325.  Article 1 is blank because of a quirk in the Giganews
server in setting up new groups, so Dave's first post is article 2 and
Daniel's reply is article 3.

Some of those slots 47325 are empty, the articles having been removed
from the server, mainly spam.  I've just downloaded all the From
headers, and there are 47029 of them.  I can't explain Daniel's count
of 38943.

Since this is server trivia and not SeaMonkey support stuff, I'm
crossposting and setting followups to mozilla.general.

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SM 2.0.x Mac - window not in front at launch - SOLVED.

[Rufus]

Was thinking this problem was OS related...installs of both SM 2.0.x and 
Thunderbird 3.0 were not opening with the window in front, or following 
to the correctly assigned Space under Sno Lep. So...


I used a utility app called MainMenu - probably went overboard, but I 
ran all of the following: Rebuild Launch Services, Update Prebindings, 
Update Whatis Database, and Update Locate Database; then I did a restart.


Now all is working properly.  I probably could have stopped at Rebuild 
Launch Services and a restart, but in any event, SM 2.0.1 is finally 
launching properly for me now.


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Re: Happens every Year .

[Rufus]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/24/2009 12:32 PM, question wrote:

Merry Xmas to all


In the USA there is a template for this:


To My Democrat  Friends:

Please accept with no  obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious,  socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral  celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within  the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of  your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect  for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or  their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at  all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically  uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010,  but not without due
respect for the calendars of choice of other  cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America  great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any  other country nor the only
America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without
regard to the  race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious
faith, familiar status, or  sexual orientation of the wished.


To My Republican  Friends:

Merry Christmas and a Happy  New Year!


:-) Happy Holidays to all :-)



Merry Christmas, everyone!  And a Happy-Happy once we get there.

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Re: Happens every Year .

[chicagofan]

NoOp wrote:

On 12/24/2009 12:32 PM, question wrote:

Merry Xmas to all


In the USA there is a template for this:


To My Democrat  Friends:

Please accept with no  obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious,  socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral  celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within  the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of  your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect  for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or  their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at  all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically  uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010,  but not without due
respect for the calendars of choice of other  cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America  great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any  other country nor the only
America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without
regard to the  race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious
faith, familiar status, or  sexual orientation of the wished.


To My Republican  Friends:

Merry Christmas and a Happy  New Year!


:-) Happy Holidays to all :-)




Well, what about those "party poopers"... the Independents [like moi]?   ;)

Happy Holidays to ALL!
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Re: Happens every Year .

[NoOp]

On 12/24/2009 12:32 PM, question wrote:
> Merry Xmas to all

In the USA there is a template for this:


To My Democrat  Friends:

Please accept with no  obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious,  socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral  celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within  the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of  your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect  for the religious/secular persuasion and/or
traditions of others, or  their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at  all. I also wish you a fiscally successful,
personally fulfilling and medically  uncomplicated recognition of the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010,  but not without due
respect for the calendars of choice of other  cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America  great. Not to imply
that America is necessarily greater than any  other country nor the only
America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without
regard to the  race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious
faith, familiar status, or  sexual orientation of the wished.


To My Republican  Friends:

Merry Christmas and a Happy  New Year!


:-) Happy Holidays to all :-)

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Happens every Year .

[question]

Merry Xmas to all
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Re: When opening a(n) news/usenet server, how do I not make it download headers?

[Ant]

On Dec 22, 4:17 pm, NoOp  wrote:
> On 12/19/2009 04:52 PM, Ant wrote:
>
> > Hello!
>
> > In v1.x, I open a news/usenet server and it only told me how many unread
> > posts and total posts but not download posts. In v2.0.x, it does the
> > same BUT also download the posts. How can I have v2 NOT download any
> > posts until I highlight a specific newsgroup?
>
> > Thank you in advance. :)
>
> about:config
> news.update_unread_on_expand;false

Whoops. somehow I missed this reply. That is OK, but it opening server
doesn't show me new unread counts. I just don't want it to prompt me
to download or not when there are 100+ new unread posts for checking
new posts.
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Bizarre behavior in 2.0.1 mailnews

[Bill Davidsen]

When I am reading mail/news in 1.1.18, the header pane scroll indicator can be 
used to move the view up or down. If I middle click in the scroll region the 
indicator and display move to that spot. Useful so I can move around. In 2.0.1 
the same action opens a tab instead of scrolling. Note: no I am *not* clicking 
on the article header by accident, that's a useful behavior.


The only way to get the previous behavior is to shift-click, which requires use 
of both hands, more time, etc.I can't find any benefit at all from this behavior 
and regard it as a regression from 1.1.xx interface.


I do have middleclick opens in new tab, that's a browser thing, and should not 
apply to the scrollbar!

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Rufus]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

...hmmnnn...I recall asking for some common sense some time ago...still
waiting, it seems...


Common sense just doesn't apply to the Internet, it only works in 
secured working areas.


Robert Kaiser


...and here I was thinking that it was just usenet...

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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

[Rufus]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

...holy crap. How can you even call it a "team", if there's no
discipline or coordination between the "team" members - volunteers or
not? I'm beginning to understand what the core problem here is...and I'm
not much encouraged by what I'm learning/hearing.


Some od that is just what comes out of being open source, some of it 
comes out of unccoperative Netscape workers of the old times. The former 
category is hard to change, the latter is somehwat easier.



Hopefully, the best and most "forward" move to come with the 2.x release
series will be some discipline and cooperative standards...


We actually have a improved vastly with the switch from 1.x to 2.x, as 
indeed a lot of that old code had some strange standards and not 
well-explained code, while the newer code is in better shape overall - 
even though we have some bad code in the platform from early Firefox 
development days, but newer code is better and usually more consistent 
there as well (I won't dive into slightly different coding standards in 
SeaMonkey-specific code and Firefox/platform code here though).


Robert Kaiser


That's encouraging.  Maybe things will head in the right direction. 
Sometimes a solution has far more to do with mindset than ability or 
resources.


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Re: off line view of web sites

[n...@home]

Danny Kile wrote:

n...@home wrote:

I like to have access to certain web sites when I am remotely situated,
without internet access.

I was happy using Scrapbook with earlier versions of SM, but as I
updated SM (I am at v 2.0.1 now) Scrapbook has disappeared. When I go to
their site they list compatibility with Firefox, but say nothing about
SM.

Would such a program that is compatible with Firefox also work with SM?

If not, what is a good method to capture some websites so I can use the
information on them when I am away from the Internet? My technical
abilities are limited.

I use a program called Local Website Archive. I install it on a flash
drive and carry it in my pocket. That way I have it wherever I go and on
any PC that has a USB port

You can get it here: http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm

Danny,
Thanks.  I downloaded the program but haven't installed it yet as I'm 
going to try the sidebar first, since I have worked with it before and 
won't have to be trained.

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Re: off line view of web sites

[n...@home]

»Q« wrote:

In,
"n...@home"  wrote:


I like to have access to certain web sites when I am remotely
situated, without internet access.

I was happy using Scrapbook with earlier versions of SM, but as I
updated SM (I am at v 2.0.1 now) Scrapbook has disappeared.  When I
go to their site they list compatibility with Firefox, but say
nothing about SM.


Try Philip Chee's modified version at
.  Note that you
also need his xSidebar extension installed.  Philip hangs out here, in
case you run into any trouble.

Thanks.  I couldn't find the xsidebar extension, but when I downloaded 
the scrapbook file it went ahead and installed, so either I unknowingly 
had the xsidebar extension, or it is automatically loaded with the 
scrapbook version.  Now I'm off to find some sites to copy for our next 
trip.

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Re: off line view of web sites

[Danny Kile]

Phillip Jones wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I use a program called Local Website Archive.

http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm


I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
doesn't pass muster:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
5 Errors

Compare:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html


Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one
whit attention about W3C specifications.

Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be
very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5
error is not a heck of a lot.

On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every
minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0.
Transitional spec. And I still not sure I've go everything.

I checked Mocrosoft.com, cnn.com, tvguide.com, weather.com, adobe.com 
and uweather.com thet all had hundreds of errors. All their site seem to 
work just fine, so much for validator. I did mozilla.org and it was the 
only site that passed.


Danny
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Re: Edit msg as new SM 2.0.1

[public21]

On Dec 20, 1:56 pm, z3c  wrote:
> On Dec 16, 9:37 pm, z3c  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 9:28 pm, Bill Davidsen  wrote:
>
> > > BeeNeR wrote:
> > > > On or about 12/16/2009 8:17 AM,z3ctyped the following:
> > > >> Hi!
>
> > > >> Problem happens here, too. Adresscompletion when composing messages
> > > >> causes SM2.0.1 to hang. Disabled AC and it works. Probelm never
> > > >> occured before. Started w/ 2.0.1 - Happens on two different Windows XP
> > > >> systems.
>
> > > >> btw, I just have 2 addressbooks (collected and a personal abook). So
> > > >> imo this has nothing to do with the amount of abooks.
>
> > > >> my 2 cents
> > > >>z3c
>
> > > > Athough I didn't pin it down to the problem, when I removed anaddress
> > > > book to get under 15 of them I no longer had the problem.  I imported a
> > > > backup copy of thataddressbook and everything was fine.
>
> > > > According to more than one report - invalid characters within the
> > > >addressbook might have caused the problem.  I could not verify that
> > > > since I had remove what might have been the problem book.
>
> > > > Suggest you carefully look at all your entries or perhaps back them all
> > > > up, then remove them, import them back one at a time, and see if the
> > > > problem occurs.  If and when it does the last book imported may be the
> > > > trouble.  Check it out for invalid characters.
>
> > > Do you have mailing lists defined within your books? I seem to remember 
> > > working
> > > around some issue by deleting and recreating my lists in a book, but I 
> > > can't
> > > remember details, one of those "fix it and forget it" days.
>
> > > Sorry, I take tons of notes unless I'm in a hurry.
>
> > > --
> > > Bill Davidsen 
> > >    "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> > > the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
> > @Jens, thx, I'll see what will happen. Though you'll have to wait
> > until you see my results as I won't be connected until Sunday - if
> > anything went right with my current relocation and connectivity
> > project ...
>
> > @Bill, well there are some internal company aliases but no mailinglist
> > as in announcement list .
>
> > -best
> > Frank
>
> Back online and I just applied the "delete OE AB" workaroud; I had 3
> ABs including OE. Problem solved for me as I never used OE. Did not
> test drive further, but what I experienced was a near by freeze during
> access of the OE AB. It took ages to show. Though,  there are some
> 3000 entries inside.
>

Thanks for this thread. This was the last issue to deal with after
installing 2.01. Like Frank, I don't use the OE AB and deleting it
fixed the 'hang'.

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Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader

[Mark Hansen]

On 12/24/2009 1:07 AM, Daniel wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> Hmmm, I show 43,739. I guess it depends on how many headers were downloaded
>> when the group was initially subscribed? I always download all headers (as
>> I have a connection that makes this easy).
>>
> 
> Interesting!!
> 
> 
> I've just set up this new laptop in the past fortnight or so, and for 
> the four groups I check on this server, I downloaded all the headers and 
> this group, now, about six weeks after Marks post, is only showing as 
> 38943 messages!!
> 

Is it because the news server has removed some of the older posts, such that
if you get a new list today, it will not go back as far as the list I downloaded
some time ago?

When I view all messages in the group, the first header I see is:

  "Welcome to mozilla.support.seamonkey", posted by Dave Miller on 1/9/2006.

Interestingly, the first response to that post was from you :-)

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Re: SM2.0.1 and extensions

[David E. Ross]

On 12/23/2009 10:00 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 12/23/2009 7:47 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> On 12/23/2009 07:18 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> ...

 I've got PrefBar 4.3.1 installed and running fine. Lightning is an older
 nightly, I'll try installing the beta release and see how it works.
 Forms history also updated for me to 1.1.4. SM 2.0.1 haas yet to crash
 since I installed it, on two machines.

 Lee
>>>
>>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
>>> Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
>>>
>>> Prefbar 4.3.2
>>>
>>> No issues.
>>>
>>
>> I updated both Prefbar and Lightning, so far so good but small sample size.
>>
>>   Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) 
>> Gecko/20091206 Lightning/1.0b1 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
>>
>> With Prefbar 4.3.2.
>>
>> Phillp, try here for the Lightning rc:
>>
>> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b1rc1/mac/
>>
>> Lee
> 
> Is it possibly a Mac-specific issue?  That is, is it possible that some
> of the extensions don't work right on a Mac?
> 
> I have the following:
> * Adblock Plus 1.1.2 (http://adblockplus.org/)
> * Flashblock 1.3.15 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/)
> * PrefBar 4.3.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
> * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird
> /addon/6143/)
> plus some that came automatically with SeaMonkey.
> 
> These are all running okay on my PC with Windows XP SP2 and
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6)
>  Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
> 
> I plan to install PrefBar 4.3.2 tonight.
> 

No problems with PrefBar 4.3.2.

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[Bill Davidsen]

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

bobwhiteesq wrote:

I really wish Seamonkey would not "push" the 2.0.1 version.  On one
computer that version locks up my e-mail if I try to add a cc.


As a workaround, try deleting the OE Contacts address book.


If OE did not work well, what would you say if microsoft tell us :
As a workaround, try deleting the SM Contacts address book.  ???


I would say OE should ignore SM and vice-versa.

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Re: 2.0.1 mail issues

[Bill Davidsen]

Daniel wrote:

NoOp wrote:


Thanks for that, NoOp. By default a.u.auto is set to True and a.u.silent 
is set to False, which, to me, means it will automatically update but 
will tell me it's doing it, which is what happened.


What *I* expected would happen was that SM would tell me there was an 
update available and ask if I wanted to get and/or install it.



I think turning update.auto off does what you want.

While I'm posting, I suspect that the machine which messes up has an extension 
2.0.1 doesn't like. That would account for the failure on one machine.


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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

[Robert Kaiser]

Bill Davidsen schrieb:

Don't take that as criticism, it's my honest comment on the mismatch in
code styles, not the competence of the authors as individuals. You have
my sympathy, but I'm never going to work on code like that again. I
applaud your courage to work on code from so many origins.


The code got better overall with getting rid of some old code, and 
there's a few more rewrites underway to make things more consistent and 
reduce awkward and badly documented parts in the code. We have a really 
large code base overall in Mozilla though, so such cleanups always take 
a lot of time.
Still, depending on what you did look at, chances are that 2.x code 
already looks a lot better than 1.x code did.


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Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

[Robert Kaiser]

Rufus schrieb:

...holy crap. How can you even call it a "team", if there's no
discipline or coordination between the "team" members - volunteers or
not? I'm beginning to understand what the core problem here is...and I'm
not much encouraged by what I'm learning/hearing.


Some od that is just what comes out of being open source, some of it 
comes out of unccoperative Netscape workers of the old times. The former 
category is hard to change, the latter is somehwat easier.



Hopefully, the best and most "forward" move to come with the 2.x release
series will be some discipline and cooperative standards...


We actually have a improved vastly with the switch from 1.x to 2.x, as 
indeed a lot of that old code had some strange standards and not 
well-explained code, while the newer code is in better shape overall - 
even though we have some bad code in the platform from early Firefox 
development days, but newer code is better and usually more consistent 
there as well (I won't dive into slightly different coding standards in 
SeaMonkey-specific code and Firefox/platform code here though).


Robert Kaiser
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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[stango]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

...hmmnnn...I recall asking for some common sense some time ago...still
waiting, it seems...


Common sense just doesn't apply to the Internet, it only works in 
secured working areas.


Robert Kaiser


Good answer Robert

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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Robert Kaiser]

Rufus schrieb:

...hmmnnn...I recall asking for some common sense some time ago...still
waiting, it seems...


Common sense just doesn't apply to the Internet, it only works in 
secured working areas.


Robert Kaiser
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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...

[Robert Kaiser]

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

I think it is on for RSS, and that's also what the first link I provided
said ("for news feeds JavaScript is enabled"). If that's not true that's
probably a bug and even then it might already be fixed on trunk (2.1pre).


It is on for feed content, those are web docshells, it's only off for 
mail docshells (email and newsgroups, AFAIK).


Robert Kaiser
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Re: off line view of web sites

[Phillip Jones]

JeffM wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I use a program called Local Website Archive.

http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm


I find it fascinating that the website for a company in that business
doesn't pass muster:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.aignes.com/lwa.htm
5 Errors

Compare:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modified.html
Who says that Company Web Designers (whether in house or paid) pay one 
whit attention about W3C specifications.


Granted the ones the are here have had it hammered in their head. I'd be 
very surprised if MS, Adobe, Intuit if you were check theirs would be. 5 
error is not a heck of a lot.


On my own site I've spent literally months (not every day and not every 
minute) re working mine to be W#C compliant to at least XML (XHTML) 1.0. 
Transitional spec.  And I still not sure I've go everything.


--
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Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader

[Daniel]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 11/8/2009 7:52 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Kent Briggs wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:


Well, as a comparison, I have 12 groups on this account, the new posts
populated in a couple of seconds.

It really hasn't seemed any different comparing 2.0 with 1.1.18 here.


If you do a View|Threads|All, how many posts are there?



In this group? 1206. The others range from 100 or so to 1500.

I don't need to change view settings to see that, it shows in the
status bar.


FWIW, my status bar for this group reads:
Unread: 14 Total: 9525




Hmmm, I show 43,739. I guess it depends on how many headers were downloaded
when the group was initially subscribed? I always download all headers (as
I have a connection that makes this easy).



Interesting!!


I've just set up this new laptop in the past fortnight or so, and for 
the four groups I check on this server, I downloaded all the headers and 
this group, now, about six weeks after Marks post, is only showing as 
38943 messages!!


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Seasons greeting, one and all

and may next year be a better one!

Daniel
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