date:20100109

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:

>> YMMV, but in any case, if we would not 
>> have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now.
>> 
> Why ?

The Gecko 1.8 branch was abandoned by the Mozilla Core devs a long, long
time ago. Only security and stability patches were then backported to
that branch, not by Mozilla but by Linux distributors with long lived
branches, but even that source of bug fixes seem to have dried up in the
middle of 2009. Without a SeaMonkey 2.0 to migrate our users to.
SeaMonkey would have died on the wine before the end of 2009.

That's why the original plan to release SeaMonkey 2.0 in sync with
Thunderbird 3.0 became fatal when Mozilla Messaging kept pushing back
their release schedules, and pushing and pushing, until January 2010. So
we took the decision to release SeaMonkey 2.0 at around Thunderbird
3.0b4 with the risk of a slightly unstable mailnews backend. But as the
alternative was to let SeaMonkey die it wasn't really a choice.

> You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?

Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
(Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
3.7 in late 2010.

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
(Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.

Phil

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Re: Address Book Syncing

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:24:46 -0200, MCBastos wrote:
> I have a few Gmail accounts I access by IMAP nowadays, in part so as to
> be able to use them from home, from my PortableApps flash drive on the
> road, or failing that by webmail. So I have been thinking about address
> book synchronization.
> 
> I noticed that there are at least two (perhaps more) add-ons on A.M.O.
> -- Zindus and gContactSync -- that appear to be able to do exactly that.
> Zindus seems to be a bit more focused on Zimbra (which I don't use) than
> gMail, while gContactSync is still rated as "experimental." But from the
> descriptions it seems gCS might do a better job.
> I found no evaluation of them, no reason to choose one over the other.
> Does anybody have any info?
> 
> And what about other ways to sync several Thunderbird/Seamonkey address
> books without going through Gmail? I undertand that the gMail address
> book and the Mozilla one are not a direct match, so not all info can be
> synchronized... so a Seamonkey-to-Seamonkey automatic syncing (without
> having to manually copy the address books) would be an interesting option.

Weave when installed in SeaMonkey currently syncs Form fill data, global
browsing history, passwords, (and I think) session restore and tabs.

iav (Igor Velkov) is looking into synchronizing the address book as
well, however the thunderbird addressbook APIs of which we share is a
total mess (the sort of mess that makes even veteran Thunderbird
developers go cross-eyed). So I'd give Igors chances as slim to none at
the moment.

In the SeaMonkey 2.1, Thunderbird 3.2 timeframe a Thunderbird developer,
jcranmer, plans to rewrite the addressbook APIs to make them saner,
actually usable by extensions such as weave and provide a unique ID for
each addressbook entry which we currently don't have.

This last is the main sticking point for any extension that wants to
sync addressbooks. gContactSync uses some sophisticated guesswork to
match google contacts to Thunderbird addressbook entries and does a very
good job of doing so. However there is no guarantee that this will work
100% of the time every time you change something in one instance of the
Thunderbird/SeaMonkey addressbook.

Phil

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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:44:31 -0200, MCBastos wrote:

> Oh crap, turns out that there IS an even easier way...

Chortle!

> Philip Chee has made available a version of Folderpane Tools that will
> install directly on Seamonkey with no need of disabling compatibility
> check or anything.
> 
> It's here:
> http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#folderpanetools

1. http://www.google.com
2. Search for: seamonkey folder pane tools
3. Pick the third link. The first link will also eventually lead you to
my webpage but you'd have to scroll down through all the messages in
that thread.

Phil

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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:58:05 +0100, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> Daniel:
>>Hartmut Figge wrote:
> 
>>> Well, try to select 'am' from http://i.am.a.link ;)
>>
>>Sorry, Hartmut, but your link is invalid, so I cannot go to that website 
>>and select some arbitrary text.
> 
> Sure, that is only an example which points to no website. ;)
> 
>>But I see your point.why would someone want to do that??
> 
> Sometimes i also need a part of a link. In such a case i open the source
> from which selecting only a part is possible without problems.
> 
> Would be nice if i could avoid this step. :-D

Press F7 to go into caret browsing mode. Use the keyboard cursor keys to
move it to where you want to start, highlight the text you want to copy,
CTRL-C, and Bob's your Uncle.

Phil

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

Phillip Jones   wrote :

> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>> "Rinaldi J. Montessi"   wrote :
>>
>>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
 I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
 then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.

 Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?
>>>
>>> No.  It's an excellent product that's too advanced for some putzy
>>> sites.
>>>
>>
>> If it cant read a lot of sites, it wont matter.
>>
> 
> Give a sample
> 
> The only sites I can't get into (on Mac) are ones that use Active-X
> Even if SM Mac was setup for active -X Apple doesn't or won't allow
> it . they deem it too dangerous.
> 
> I've run into a Bunch that don't show up right because they are not 
> written correctly.
> 

Where does that leave me though?

Sure you may be technically right, but how can I use a browser that 
gives me so many blank pages?

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Re: Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

"Justin Wood (Callek)"   wrote :

> On 1/9/2010 9:05 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:
>> I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all
>> my stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even
>> BE opened.
> 
> SM2 copied the profile data to a new profile architechture as used by
> Firefox, your old profile still exists and will be found/used if you
> run SM1.1.x if you no longer have it installed, feel free to download
> it and re-install and you'll have access to  that data again.
> 
> SM2 should have been able to import those old passwords though on
> first start.

It imported the bookmarks I've been using, ok, but NOT the passwords, 
which is a BIG hassle.

I looked up some things, about starting 2. using the -migrate thing, but 
that still wont do it, it imports bookmarks but not passwords.

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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

2010-01-09 Thread JAS

Jesse Molina wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user.  I'm very
> frustrated that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.
>
> I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible
> apps, but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey
> at all.
>
> What is the status on this situation?  Can anyone point to
> conversations, bugs, and other topics on the issue of Add-on
> incompatibility that I might be able to read into?
>
>
>
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=500361&start=1335

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Re: Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

2010-01-09 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)


On 1/9/2010 9:05 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all my
stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even BE
opened.


SM2 copied the profile data to a new profile architechture as used by 
Firefox, your old profile still exists and will be found/used if you run 
SM1.1.x if you no longer have it installed, feel free to download it and 
re-install and you'll have access to  that data again.


SM2 should have been able to import those old passwords though on first 
start.


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Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

2010-01-09 Thread Jesse Molina



Hi!

I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user.  I'm very frustrated 
that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.


I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible apps, 
but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey at all.


What is the status on this situation?  Can anyone point to 
conversations, bugs, and other topics on the issue of Add-on 
incompatibility that I might be able to read into?




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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread Paul


Devils_Advocate wrote:

JeffM   wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.


http://www.efax.com/help/faq


 Works good for me.  1117
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread BeeNeR

On or about 1/9/2010 8:01 PM, Leonidas Jones typed the following:
> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>> JeffM   wrote :
>>
>>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
 I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
 then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.

>>> I note that you didn't give an example URL.
>>
>> http://www.efax.com/help/faq
>>
>>> There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
>>> but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.
>>>
>>> The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>> Feed in the URL of the page with problems.
>>>
>>> You should see something like this
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
>>> **Passed**
>>>
>>> and not like this
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
>>> ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors
>>>
>>> At that point, you will know where to place the blame.
>>>
>>
> 
>  The EFax site is working fine from here.
> 
> Lee

Hmm - only getting the top line - rest of the page is blank (or white on
white).  W3C shows errors -
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.efax.com%2Fhelp%2Ffaq&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread Phillip Jones


David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

JeffM   wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.


http://www.efax.com/help/faq


There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.





26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors

I get a mostly blank page.  There is a logo in the top-left corner, the
text
"English | United States[ Change ]"
in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the
bottom.  If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation
bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my
preference set to allow only images from the current page's server.

 According the html validator extension there were 209 warnings about 
have had a red X besides them indicating they were severe


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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread Phillip Jones


Devils_Advocate wrote:

JeffM   wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.


http://www.efax.com/help/faq


came up fine for me, of course it had 209 warnings




There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.






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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread Phillip Jones


Devils_Advocate wrote:

"Rinaldi J. Montessi"   wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.

Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?


No.  It's an excellent product that's too advanced for some putzy
sites.



If it cant read a lot of sites, it wont matter.



Give a sample

The only sites I can't get into (on Mac) are ones that use Active-X Even 
if SM Mac was setup for active -X Apple doesn't or won't allow it . they 
deem it too dangerous.


I've run into a Bunch that don't show up right because they are not 
written correctly.


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Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all my 
stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even BE 
opened.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread David E. Ross

On 1/9/2010 5:58 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/9/2010 5:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>> JeffM   wrote :
>>>
 Devils_Advocate wrote:
> I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
> then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
>
 I note that you didn't give an example URL.
>>>
>>> http://www.efax.com/help/faq
>>>
 There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
 but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

 The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
 http://validator.w3.org/
 Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

 You should see something like this
 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
 **Passed**

 and not like this
 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
 ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors

 At that point, you will know where to place the blame.

>>>
>>
>> 26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors
>>
>> I get a mostly blank page.  There is a logo in the top-left corner, the
>> text
>>  "English | United States [ Change ]"
>> in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the
>> bottom.  If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation
>> bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my
>> preference set to allow only images from the current page's server.
>>
> 
> By the way, I don't think this is a sniffing problem because I got the
> same result while spoofing Firefox 3.5.6.
> 

Oops!  It is a sniffing problem.  I get a "To enter portal, click here"
line (with a link) when I spoof IE 7.  Selecting that link gives me the
FAQ.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread David E. Ross

On 1/9/2010 5:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:
>> JeffM   wrote :
>>
>>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
 I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
 then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.

>>> I note that you didn't give an example URL.
>>
>> http://www.efax.com/help/faq
>>
>>> There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
>>> but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.
>>>
>>> The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>> Feed in the URL of the page with problems.
>>>
>>> You should see something like this
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
>>> **Passed**
>>>
>>> and not like this
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
>>> ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors
>>>
>>> At that point, you will know where to place the blame.
>>>
>>
> 
> 26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors
> 
> I get a mostly blank page.  There is a logo in the top-left corner, the
> text
>   "English | United States [ Change ]"
> in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the
> bottom.  If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation
> bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my
> preference set to allow only images from the current page's server.
> 

By the way, I don't think this is a sniffing problem because I got the
same result while spoofing Firefox 3.5.6.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread David E. Ross

On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:
> JeffM   wrote :
> 
>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>> I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
>>> then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
>>>
>> I note that you didn't give an example URL.
> 
> http://www.efax.com/help/faq
> 
>> There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
>> but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.
>>
>> The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>> Feed in the URL of the page with problems.
>>
>> You should see something like this
>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
>> **Passed**
>>
>> and not like this
>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
>> ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors
>>
>> At that point, you will know where to place the blame.
>>
> 

26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors

I get a mostly blank page.  There is a logo in the top-left corner, the
text
"English | United States [ Change ]"
in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the
bottom.  If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation
bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my
preference set to allow only images from the current page's server.

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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

Interviewed by CNN on 7/1/2010 21:47, OldTimer told the world:
> When I was typing the question I wondered whether it was clear enough. 
> So, here's what happens:  When I click on the SM icon on the desktop it 
> opens with the old account first and I have to scroll down to my other 
> accounts to click on "Get Msgs" (it's quite a scroll as I've got lots of 
> subfolders listed). I'd rather not have to do this each time.
> 
> Now that I think about it, it seems obvious that the first account 
> listed in the left pane is the one that shows up first.  I like the 
> suggestion of re-arranging the order, but I don't think I could handle 
> any "hacking".  Perhaps there's an even easier way to do this?
> 

Oh crap, turns out that there IS an even easier way...

Philip Chee has made available a version of Folderpane Tools that will
install directly on Seamonkey with no need of disabling compatibility
check or anything.

It's here:
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

Interviewed by CNN on 9/1/2010 22:41, Devils_Advocate told the world:

> 
> http://www.efax.com/help/faq
> 

Funny, I could get into the site with no problem.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread bsalisbu

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Devils_Advocate wrote:
> JeffM   wrote :
> 
>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>> I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
>>> then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
>>>
>> I note that you didn't give an example URL.
> 
> http://www.efax.com/help/faq
> 
>> There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
>> but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.
>>
>> The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>> Feed in the URL of the page with problems.
>>
>> You should see something like this
>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
>> **Passed**
>>
>> and not like this
>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
>> ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors
>>
>> At that point, you will know where to place the blame.
>>
> 
efax.com come up fine for m.
Bill
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread Leonidas Jones


Devils_Advocate wrote:

JeffM   wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.


http://www.efax.com/help/faq


There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.





 The EFax site is working fine from here.

Lee
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread NoOp

On 01/09/2010 04:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:
> JeffM   wrote :
> 
>> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>>I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
>>>then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
>>>
>> I note that you didn't give an example URL.
> 
> http://www.efax.com/help/faq

Turn on cookies & works for me:

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8pre)
Gecko/20100106 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3pre

Without cookies, the page comes up blank except for the basiceFax   
edge left English | United States   [ Change ]
Sign Up
ProductsPricing Promotions  Enterprise  Contact 
Us  My Account
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

JeffM   wrote :

> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
>>then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
>>
> I note that you didn't give an example URL.

http://www.efax.com/help/faq

> There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
> but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.
> 
> The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
> http://validator.w3.org/
> Feed in the URL of the page with problems.
> 
> You should see something like this
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
> **Passed**
> 
> and not like this
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
> ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors
> 
> At that point, you will know where to place the blame.
> 

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

"Rinaldi J. Montessi"   wrote :

> Devils_Advocate wrote:
>> I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
>> then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
>> 
>> Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?
> 
> No.  It's an excellent product that's too advanced for some putzy
> sites. 
> 

If it cant read a lot of sites, it wont matter.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread JD


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I
have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.

Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?



How about a couple of links to the pages that come up blank?

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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

Interviewed by CNN on 9/1/2010 18:57, OldTimer told the world:

> The install instruction at the download site (www.chuonthis.com)stated 
> to save the file to [SeaMonkey] but I don't know which file to use.
> 
> 1) c:\Documents & Settings\sony\Application Data\Mozilla\Seamonkey ? 
> (There's also an "extension" subfolder in Mozilla).
> 
> 2) c:\program Files\Mozilla.org\SeaMonkey ?
> 
> For the time being I've placed the download file (folderpane.xpi) on my 
> desktop.
> 
> The install instructions are to open Tools and select "Extensions" and 
> click Install button.  The Tools menu in either SM folder (above) 
> doesn't have "Extensions, but does have "Add-on Manager".  However when 
> I click on "Add-on Manager" there's no folderpane extension listed.
> 
> And I thought I was doing so well getting it downloaded to my PC.
> Can you take me through the next steps?

Oh, you are almost there. You already have the folderpane.xpi file, and
you already know where the Add-On Manager is.
Now:
- Open the Add-On Manager.
- Click on the second icon (Extensions) -- the one that looks like a
green jigsaw puzzle piece.
- Click on the "Install" button on the lower left.
- Select the folderpane.xpi file from where you saved it (apparently
your desktop) and open it.

There you go!

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread JeffM

Devils_Advocate wrote:
>I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
>then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
>
I note that you didn't give an example URL.
There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8
3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.
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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-09 Thread Rinaldi J. Montessi

Devils_Advocate wrote:
> I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I 
> have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
> 
> Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?

No.  It's an excellent product that's too advanced for some putzy sites.

-- 
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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

2010-01-09 Thread OldTimer

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 7/1/2010 21:47, OldTimer told the world:

When I was typing the question I wondered whether it was clear enough.
So, here's what happens: When I click on the SM icon on the desktop it
opens with the old account first and I have to scroll down to my other
accounts to click on "Get Msgs" (it's quite a scroll as I've got lots of
subfolders listed). I'd rather not have to do this each time.

Now that I think about it, it seems obvious that the first account
listed in the left pane is the one that shows up first. I like the
suggestion of re-arranging the order, but I don't think I could handle
any "hacking". Perhaps there's an even easier way to do this?

Well, the bit of hacking I meant was to get around the version
compatibility checking. But actually, you only need to run this add-on
*once*, and it can later be disabled or removed. So, instead of a more
permanent workaround, you may just temporarily disable the compatibility
check.

So, going step by step:

1. Disable compatibility check. This page gives detailed instructions
(they are intended for Firefox, but they work the same in Seamonkey):
http://dotnetwizard.net/soft-apps/firefox-3-beta-4-disabling-extension-compatibility-check/
2. Install FolderPane Tools either from
http://www.chuonthis.com/extensions/folderpane.php
or from
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/258
3. After restarting Seamonkey, go to the Add-On Manager and click on the
"Options" button for Folderpane Tools. Use it to reorganize your
folders. Restart Seamonkey again
4. After you are happy with the way your mail windows looks, you may
disable/remove Folderpane Tools and reinstate compatibility checking (no
need to do all the stuff on step 1, the Add-On Manager will give a
one-click fix for this).

The install instruction at the download site (www.chuonthis.com)stated
to save the file to [SeaMonkey] but I don't know which file to use.

1) c:\Documents & Settings\sony\Application Data\Mozilla\Seamonkey ?
(There's also an "extension" subfolder in Mozilla).

2) c:\program Files\Mozilla.org\SeaMonkey ?

For the time being I've placed the download file (folderpane.xpi) on my
desktop.

The install instructions are to open Tools and select "Extensions" and
click Install button. The Tools menu in either SM folder (above)
doesn't have "Extensions, but does have "Add-on Manager". However when
I click on "Add-on Manager" there's no folderpane extension listed.

And I thought I was doing so well getting it downloaded to my PC.
Can you take me through the next steps?

Thanks,
Ed

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I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I 
have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.

Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?

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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

2010-01-09 Thread Mark Hansen

On 1/9/2010 10:04 AM, jim wrote:

> If I read you right, sure you can.  But beware,  it takes two mouseclicks!
> 
> Click on the link and the whole link is selected.
> Click again and the entire link is unselected, but any portion can now be
> swiped with the mouse and selected for copy.
> 
> 
> jim

Huh? When I click on a link, it opens a new browser window.
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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

2010-01-09 Thread jim

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:58:05 +0100, Hartmut Figge  in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>Daniel:
>>Hartmut Figge wrote:
>
>>> Well, try to select 'am' from http://i.am.a.link ;)
>>
>>Sorry, Hartmut, but your link is invalid, so I cannot go to that website 
>>and select some arbitrary text.
>
>Sure, that is only an example which points to no website. ;)
>
>>But I see your point.why would someone want to do that??
>
>Sometimes i also need a part of a link. In such a case i open the source
>from which selecting only a part is possible without problems.
>
>Would be nice if i could avoid this step. :-D
>
>Hartmut, lazy

If I read you right, sure you can.  But beware,  it takes two mouseclicks!

Click on the link and the whole link is selected.
Click again and the entire link is unselected, but any portion can now be
swiped with the mouse and selected for copy.


jim
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Re: Any way to recover deleted emails in 1.18?

2010-01-09 Thread George Carden


RGrannus wrote:

Some older emails that I wanted to keep were deleted today when the keep
for so many days option was reset. Is there any way to recover them?


There is something call the 'Reset E-mail Status Utility' you may be 
able to use to solve this problem.  It has been YEARS since I've used 
it, but IF YOU HAVE NOT compacted your Trash folder, it should work.


It utilized an exe file called: tbrststs.exe

You can search Google for that file name and other keywords such as 
"undelete," etc.  I do not remember exactly how it's done, so you should 
look for detailed instructions in your Google search.


There are also a few posts in MozillaZine about it, such as:

http://forums-test.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1032175

A direct link to get the tbrstss.exe file is:

http://apveening.a61.nl/software/tbrststs.zip


Key #1: resetting the statuses of the deleted e-mails you want to 
retrieve. Change the status (X-Status) to all zero.


Key #2: back up your original mail folders first, in case it goes bad!

Key #3: Do key #2 BEFORE key #1. ;-)


Good luck!!!

-George
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Re: test

2010-01-09 Thread Michael Gordon


n...@home wrote:
I apologize for making the above post.  In the past, when I travelled, I 
was unable to receive email or newsgroups directly.  I had to go to the 
website of my provider and read email there, and just do without 
newsgroups.  That was the status through years.


Now I am away from home and was visiting a website when the email alert 
went off.  It surprised me!  I opened the news reader and somehow all my 
email was there.  I have no idea whether this is due to a Seamonkey 
upgrade, or to something my ISP did.


I went ahead and read my email, then read this newsgroup.  I didn't look 
at the other newsgroup server I use for some other newsgroups.


I was happy, because it is a lot easier to read news and mail here, than 
on my ISPs web page.  To see if I could use the newsreader to send 
email, I sent the above to myself, and erroneously to this newsgroup. 
The email failed, but the newsgroup posting worked.  This morning I 
tried to use my other newsgroup server, but was denied access as I 
needed a password.  I'll look it up when I get home.


When you travel to other areas that have a different mail server you may 
need to set-up a new SMTP server and use that server to send mail.


Michael


But for now I can read email and read and post to this newsgroup, but 
cannot read or post in other newsgroups, nor send email from the reader, 
which I can work around by sending it from my ISPs web page.


I'm not technologically adept, and have no idea why this change has come 
about.


Leonidas Jones wrote:

n...@home wrote:

?


Welcome to the SeaMonkey Support newsgroup. f you have any issues in
using the Seamonkey internet application suite, by all means ask here,
and we will try to assist you.

There is a specific test group on this server, mozilla.test. It would be
best to post test messages there.

Lee

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Re: Any way to recover deleted emails in 1.18?

2010-01-09 Thread Michael Gordon


RGrannus wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 8/1/2010 21:21, Phillip Jones told the world:

RGrannus wrote:
Some older emails that I wanted to keep were deleted today when the 
keep

for so many days option was reset.  Is there any way to recover them?

If you actually emptied the trash (waste basket for PC's-I guess) no!

if they were just moved to trash but not emptied then open Trash 
folder and pull them out.



Actually, even if they were double-deleted (that is, deleted from the
Trash by using the "delete" command, but *not* by using the "empty
trash" command) it might, I said MIGHT be possible to recover them... by
manually editing the Trash file with a text editor and some knowledge of
internal structure of MBOX files.

In the same way, it *might* be possible to undelete them from the
original mail folder as long as it hasn't been compacted yet.

I did it a couple times, so I can say it's possible. But it's not
exactly easy.


But be careful -- I have all my accounts set to empty trash on exit, 
so if I should happen to close SeaMonkey (as a way of avoiding 
contention for the same file), I would lose the opportunity to do what 
you describe. If the OP's in the same position, he should either


a) copy the trash file in Windows Explorer, modify the copy, and then 
move the (renamed) copy back to the SM profile where SM will 
"discover" it as a new folder; or


b) clear the "empty trash on exit" option before closing SM and then 
feel free to work with the trash file as he sees fit.




Thanks for the tip.  But where are the trash and mail files?  I can't 
find them anywhere under the SeaMonkey folder.


If you are using a windows based operating system, look down a path 
similar to this one, where Michael Test is the current profile folder 
containing your preferences and Mail Folders.


C:\Documents and Settings\Michael\Application 
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\Michael Test (Followed by k34vfrt.slt), the slt 
folder is the name of the current profile.


Keep in mind that with SM 1.1x when you upgrade your profiles folder are 
not touched, only the Moxilla Programs folders and files are upgraded.


Michael
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Re: test

2010-01-09 Thread n...@home

I apologize for making the above post.  In the past, when I travelled, I 
was unable to receive email or newsgroups directly.  I had to go to the 
website of my provider and read email there, and just do without 
newsgroups.  That was the status through years.


Now I am away from home and was visiting a website when the email alert 
went off.  It surprised me!  I opened the news reader and somehow all my 
email was there.  I have no idea whether this is due to a Seamonkey 
upgrade, or to something my ISP did.


I went ahead and read my email, then read this newsgroup.  I didn't look 
at the other newsgroup server I use for some other newsgroups.


I was happy, because it is a lot easier to read news and mail here, than 
on my ISPs web page.  To see if I could use the newsreader to send 
email, I sent the above to myself, and erroneously to this newsgroup. 
The email failed, but the newsgroup posting worked.  This morning I 
tried to use my other newsgroup server, but was denied access as I 
needed a password.  I'll look it up when I get home.


But for now I can read email and read and post to this newsgroup, but 
cannot read or post in other newsgroups, nor send email from the reader, 
which I can work around by sending it from my ISPs web page.


I'm not technologically adept, and have no idea why this change has come 
about.


Leonidas Jones wrote:

n...@home wrote:

?


Welcome to the SeaMonkey Support newsgroup. f you have any issues in
using the Seamonkey internet application suite, by all means ask here,
and we will try to assist you.

There is a specific test group on this server, mozilla.test. It would be
best to post test messages there.

Lee

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Re: LogMeIn PlugIn will not install

2010-01-09 Thread Danny Kile


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

LogMeIn PlugIn will not install, I get the following when it tries.

SeaMonkey could not install the file at
C:/npRACtrl.xpi
because: Install script not found -204

I am using Seamonkey Browser ver 2.0.1 and the plugin will not install.
I had no problem installing LogMeIn plugins when I was running Seamonkey
1.1.18.

Thank you for your assistance.

Danny

P.S. sorry for the cross post meant to enter it here.


Could you provide an internet link for the extension?

Lee


The link is:https://secure.logmein.com/US/products/free/

You have to install on one PC and then access that PC from a second PC. 
When you are on the second PC and try to login the first thing that will 
happen is logmein will try to install a plug-in for your browser. After 
this you can access the second PC as if you where there. Make for good 
remote support.


Below is a quote from LogMeIn WEB site:

LogMeIn Free gives you remote control of your PC or Mac from any other 
computer with an Internet connection.


Simply install LogMeIn on the computer you want to access (it takes 
about 2 minutes), log into your account from another computer and click 
the computer you want to control. You'll see its desktop and be able to 
use all the applications on your remote computer as if you were sitting 
in front of it - even if you're across town, across the country, or 
across the world.


* Works with Windows PCs and Mac OS X
* Two-minute set-up
* 100% free

Thank you, Danny
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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

2010-01-09 Thread Ray_Net


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Daniel:

Hartmut Figge wrote:



Well, try to select 'am' from http://i.am.a.link ;)
Sorry, Hartmut, but your link is invalid, so I cannot go to that website 
and select some arbitrary text.


Sure, that is only an example which points to no website. ;)


But I see your point.why would someone want to do that??


Sometimes i also need a part of a link. In such a case i open the source
from which selecting only a part is possible without problems.

Would be nice if i could avoid this step. :-D

Or select the complete line ctrl-c then ctrl-v in notepad, then select 
the part you want.
I do it this way, because i most of the time did not need to "copy" a 
part of a link.

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