Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Jens Hatlak

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

According to the latest download of Seamonkey 2.1b2pre there is a
process to report broken web sites as described in the following
paragraph:

SeaMonkey comes with a new tool for reporting broken web sites
(available through the Custom Install option). From the 'Help' menu,
 select 'Report Broken Web Site' and provide as much information as
you can about the issue that you are encountering.


Ah, that's on this page:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/get-involved

KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?


I did a custom install but did not see anywhere that I could load
that option. When I click on the Help menu, I don't see 'Report
Broken Web Site'. Is this in the future? Sounds like a terrific
idea.


Actually it's in SM 2.0 but has been removed for SM 2.1 because the 
reports basically went nowhere (no-one picked them up). Bug:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590102

SM 2.1 website compatibility should be better in general, though, since 
it now advertises itself as Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey.


HTH

Jens

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Re: strange seamonkey crashing problem

2010-11-20 Thread Daniel

Jim wrote:

SM 2.0.10, Windows XP w/SP3, Pentium 4 with 1.5 gigs RAM.  Last night I
was using the SM Browser and it crashed. After that, I could not start
up the browser. The Select a Profile screen came up, but, as soon as I
moused over the screen, it would crash. I tried starting u[ the browser
with options from the command line, and a page would load just fine,
until I moused over any place in the page, and it would crashe. Same
with SM mail.

I couldn't reboot because I was running a distribute computing app in
the background, and didn't want to lose 4 hours of work. This morning, I
came down and SM started up just fine.

Comments on this? Does SM set some error flag some place? Seemed like
something was in memory that SM didn't like. I'm also running Norton
Internet Security, and it likes doing stuff during the wee hours of the
night, so maybe it took up whatever was in memory that was bugging SM?

Jim


Jim, a while back, SeaMonkey (or, more likely, it pre-decedent Mozilla 
Suite) had a problem where you were able to close the program, but it 
would still be shown as running in the list of Running programs found 
when you did a Ctrl-Alt-Del, so you were unable to re-start the program 
until you had clicked on the name in the list of running programs and 
then you clicked on Finish or Close or whatever.


You're being ab;e to start SeaMonkey the next morning might have been 
because SM had naturally been closed by Windows.


Daniel
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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Robert Kaiser

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Ah, that's on this page:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/get-involved

KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?


Please file a bug, even better a patch.

Robert Kaiser


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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Arnie Goetchius

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:



SM 2.1 website compatibility should be better in general, though, since
it now advertises itself as Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey.


FWIW, I can log into http://adwords.microsoft.com with 2.1 without 
getting an incompatible browser error message. I get an error message 
using 2.010


However, I still get incompatible browser error message when logging 
into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error message if I log in 
with FF 3.6


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Re: Seamonkey page render issue

2010-11-20 Thread James

Eric wrote:

David Cox wrote:

On 18/11/2010 11:20 AM, Eric wrote:

I just checked seamonkey's rendering of
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Overview.html

It doesn't properly render it. One of the side frames overlaps the 
words

on another frame. Though readable, it is annoying.


Do you have a minimum font size set? That can cause frames to overlap.

djc
snip

I've never changed it, but when I go in to about:config it says 
default 20


Eric
I have the same problem on some pages, but I never explored the reason 
for the overlap that sometimes makes a page unreadable. I usually just 
use a different browser. When I look at the SeaMonkey parameters, I see 
that font.minimum-size.th = 10 and all the others = 0.


I went to the site you cited and had no problems with text overlap. I am 
using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) 
Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10.


I look at the problem and I believe that those that have the skills to 
fix the problem probably have different priorities and that it will get 
fixed eventually. I am sure that they are already aware of the problem 
if they use SeaMonkey.

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Arnie Goetchius

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Jens Hatlak wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:



SM 2.1 website compatibility should be better in general, though,
since it now advertises itself as Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey.


FWIW, I can log into http://adwords.microsoft.com with 2.1 without
getting an incompatible browser error message. I get an error
message using 2.010

However, I still get incompatible browser error message when
logging into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error message
if I log in with FF 3.6


I get 404s for both of those 'adwords' URLs ... no error, just missing.


Should have been:

http://adcenter.microsoft.com

https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=adwords

Sorry for my error. sigh


Personally, I can't see any advantage to a browser utility that sends
some kind of error message to a web site. There are so many broken
sites out there that (if this reporting thingy became popular)
webmasters would start directing all such messages to dev/null. I can
envision users-without-clue sending hundreds/thousands of these reports
and possibly causing the site authors to ban access by those browsers.



Good point. There are enough of us without a clue to not add any more ;)
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Re: SOLVED! SM email not properly responding to FF mailto links

2010-11-20 Thread Michael Lueck

I also took the time to report this in Bugzilla:

Incorrect default switches to handle mailto: links / new message window will not 
open
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613724

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Re: strange seamonkey crashing problem

2010-11-20 Thread Jim

Daniel wrote:

Jim wrote:

SM 2.0.10, Windows XP w/SP3, Pentium 4 with 1.5 gigs RAM. Last night I
was using the SM Browser and it crashed. After that, I could not start
up the browser. The Select a Profile screen came up, but, as soon as I
moused over the screen, it would crash. I tried starting u[ the browser
with options from the command line, and a page would load just fine,
until I moused over any place in the page, and it would crashe. Same
with SM mail.

I couldn't reboot because I was running a distribute computing app in
the background, and didn't want to lose 4 hours of work. This morning, I
came down and SM started up just fine.

Comments on this? Does SM set some error flag some place? Seemed like
something was in memory that SM didn't like. I'm also running Norton
Internet Security, and it likes doing stuff during the wee hours of the
night, so maybe it took up whatever was in memory that was bugging SM?

Jim


Jim, a while back, SeaMonkey (or, more likely, it pre-decedent Mozilla
Suite) had a problem where you were able to close the program, but it
would still be shown as running in the list of Running programs found
when you did a Ctrl-Alt-Del, so you were unable to re-start the program
until you had clicked on the name in the list of running programs and
then you clicked on Finish or Close or whatever.

You're being ab;e to start SeaMonkey the next morning might have been
because SM had naturally been closed by Windows.

Daniel
Actually, SeaMonkey had shut down and no longer appeared in the list of 
running programs in Process Explorer.

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Arnie Goetchius wrote:

 Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
 Arnie Goetchius wrote:
 However, I still get incompatible browser error message when
 logging into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error
 message if I log in with FF 3.6

 I get 404s for both of those 'adwords' URLs ... no error, just missing.
 
 Should have been:
 http://adcenter.microsoft.com
 https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=adwords
 Sorry for my error. sigh

Ah, thanks. I see what you mean with the Microsloth site. Setting my UA
to any of Ipod, Iphone, Iceweasel, Firefox Linux, multiple Operas
including Opera Mobile, and my favorite Borgzilla, I am rejected. Works
fine as any IE version... but then it is a Microsloth site. I had no
problem with the Google site with any of the above UAs.

Since that MS site is looking for advertisers/revenue, I am truly
confused why they even care about what browser the prospective spender
of money would be using. Oh wait .. it's Microsloth.

My Borgzilla is humor:
Borgzilla/31.0 (X11;U;Linux i686;en-US;rv:31.0) Resistance is futile

 Personally, I can't see any advantage to a browser utility that sends
 some kind of error message to a web site. There are so many broken
 sites out there that (if this reporting thingy became popular)
 webmasters would start directing all such messages to dev/null. I can
 envision users-without-clue sending hundreds/thousands of these reports
 and possibly causing the site authors to ban access by those browsers.
 
 Good point. There are enough of us without a clue to not add any more ;)

I'd consider you to be in the Have Clue category, Arnie.  g

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Arnie Goetchius

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

However, I still get incompatible browser error message when
logging into http://adwords.google.com with SM 2.1. No error
message if I log in with FF 3.6


I get 404s for both of those 'adwords' URLs ... no error, just missing.


Should have been:
http://adcenter.microsoft.com
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=adwords
Sorry for my error. sigh


Ah, thanks. I see what you mean with the Microsloth site. Setting my UA
to any of Ipod, Iphone, Iceweasel, Firefox Linux, multiple Operas
including Opera Mobile, and my favorite Borgzilla, I am rejected. Works
fine as any IE version... but then it is a Microsloth site. I had no
problem with the Google site with any of the above UAs.

Since that MS site is looking for advertisers/revenue, I am truly
confused why they even care about what browser the prospective spender
of money would be using. Oh wait .. it's Microsloth.

My Borgzilla is humor:
Borgzilla/31.0 (X11;U;Linux i686;en-US;rv:31.0) Resistance is futile


Personally, I can't see any advantage to a browser utility that sends
some kind of error message to a web site. There are so many broken
sites out there that (if this reporting thingy became popular)
webmasters would start directing all such messages to dev/null. I can
envision users-without-clue sending hundreds/thousands of these reports
and possibly causing the site authors to ban access by those browsers.


Good point. There are enough of us without a clue to not add any more ;)


I'd consider you to be in the Have Clue category, Arnie.g


Thanks for the very kind words. I owe you a beer!!
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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Jens Hatlak

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Ah, that's on this page:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/get-involved

KaiRo, can you remove that paragraph please?


Please file a bug, even better a patch.


Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain 
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Greetings,

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Re: 'Report Broken Web Site' Not Available in SM 2.1b2pre

2010-11-20 Thread Robert Kaiser

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Filed bug 613770. I don't see the sense in writing a patch for plain
removal, though, so I skipped that step.


Well, I am seriously cutting down the time I'm working on SeaMonkey and 
trying to cut down on work time in general, so it will take me some time 
if I need to look into it.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: Seamonkey page render issue

2010-11-20 Thread Eric

James wrote:

Eric wrote:

David Cox wrote:

On 18/11/2010 11:20 AM, Eric wrote:

I just checked seamonkey's rendering of
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Overview.html

It doesn't properly render it. One of the side frames overlaps the
words
on another frame. Though readable, it is annoying.


Do you have a minimum font size set? That can cause frames to overlap.

djc
snip


I've never changed it, but when I go in to about:config it says
default 20

Eric

I have the same problem on some pages, but I never explored the reason
for the overlap that sometimes makes a page unreadable. I usually just
use a different browser. When I look at the SeaMonkey parameters, I see
that font.minimum-size.th = 10 and all the others = 0.

I went to the site you cited and had no problems with text overlap. I am
using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15)
Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10.

I look at the problem and I believe that those that have the skills to
fix the problem probably have different priorities and that it will get
fixed eventually. I am sure that they are already aware of the problem
if they use SeaMonkey.
Well, Thanks everyone for the thoughts.  I've changed the minimum font 
to no min or blank, but the fonts everywhere became too small, so I've 
changed the pixels up, and that seems to work, the overlap is gone, and 
I can read the screen without squinting.


Thanks everyone for the assistance, and I hope this discussion helps 
others who are experiencing similar difficulties.


Eric
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Re: Seamonkey page render issue

2010-11-20 Thread NoOp
On 11/17/2010 08:35 PM, David Cox wrote:
 On 18/11/2010 11:20 AM, Eric wrote:
 I just checked seamonkey's rendering of
 http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Overview.html

 It doesn't properly render it. One of the side frames overlaps the words
 on another frame. Though readable, it is annoying.
 
 Do you have a minimum font size set? That can cause frames to overlap.

Interesting... I've suffered from this issue  just set my minimum font
size to 'None'  it resolves the issue for me. However it also affects
mail windows as well (for instance this one), so it would be nice to be
able to set a minimum for mail/news and one for browsing.
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Re: SM 2.0.10 Mac - crashing...and crashing...and crashing...

2010-11-20 Thread Rufus

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 10-11-18 11:54 PM, Rufus wrote:

Started a couple nights ago...repeated crashes trying to use SM Mail.
Then tonight repeated crashes on launch. All reported.

Reinstalled SM...so far, so better. So far...


Open SeaMonkey, go to the address about:crashes (without the quotes)
and tell us your latest crash IDs. We can then look at the data specific
to your crash and have a better idea of what is causing the problem.


Here they are:

Report ID   Date Submitted
bp-cfb4f38b-adbc-41e9-9c9c-2c0f62101119 11/19/109:06 PM
bp-205136aa-405c-46b1-997b-b6e982101119 11/19/109:06 PM
bp-b532092b-524d-4b4f-b1be-651b62101119 11/19/109:00 PM
bp-36abf4ce-8ae3-4d43-9b8c-0705b2101119 11/19/109:00 PM
bp-39ce2cd2-03cc-488b-96b4-a0df32101118 11/18/108:04 PM
bp-bd7f092b-68ca-4eff-a28a-4ab532101118 11/18/108:04 PM
bp-8b36819b-e19e-4cc8-af88-8ff502101118 11/18/108:04 PM
bp-616b818a-1a2d-4541-9544-945452101118 11/18/108:03 PM
bp-73914e00-bf24-4182-b6c9-84be72101118 11/18/108:03 PM
bp-0abbd060-d90b-464e-ba2f-5ee6f2101118 11/18/108:03 PM
bp-6e4a3ff4-3850-41fb-ab6d-0ecd42101118 11/18/108:03 PM
bp-1e019584-bae1-4e2d-8851-db8fe2101117 11/17/108:14 PM
bp-c01bf9d8-474c-4a57-89f6-5c98d2101117 11/17/108:14 PM
bp-d413a5fc-72bd-4f23-8595-acc2c2101117 11/17/108:14 PM
bp-78bbe296-940b-46e7-9e2a-44c072101117 11/17/108:14 PM
bp-7c167cc8-ab31-44cb-b401-c72c92101117 11/17/108:13 PM
bp-968fa452-aae0-4a7c-980a-f84122101117 11/17/108:13 PM
bp-d21976b5-1970-4c05-b77b-f81222101117 11/17/108:13 PM
992627F3-805E-4646-B500-7D811DB44CC811/17/107:26 PM
bp-fb88e14c-5fe7-49a6-957a-7da662091230 12/30/096:32 PM
bp-81c77584-38b1-4480-9beb-3afa72091221 12/21/0910:03 PM

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