date:20110806


Ant wrote:

On 8/4/2011 6:07 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Is there a(n) option/way or an extension/addon that makes SM v2.0.14+
web browser automatically open web site(s) at/after specific dates and
times in (a) new tab(s)?

Thank you in advance. :)


Sorry, Ant, not sure what you are asking. Are you wanting to open, for
example, www.someplace.org at 11:55a.m. on 10th Aug or something?


Yep! Like a timer.


Dreaming is part of the life :-)

OK, nice, but what will happen if at 11:55a.m. on 10th Aug  your pc is 
power-off ? :-)

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Re: Tab Groups


Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?



It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change,
with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would
see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a
team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in
any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are
still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist)



I HATE TABS !!! :-)
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Re: Password Management Tips

2011-08-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov


Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:43:16 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:

Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:28:36 +0200, /Jens Hatlak/:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:


1. Secure Login https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/secure-login/

It is not packaged as SeaMonkey compatible but is easily patched
to make it so - see secure_login+sm.diff attached.


It would be great if you could get this extension running with SM
completely and then contact the author. If he doesn't want to
incorporate the changes into his version, I'm sure Philip Chee would
be glad to put your mod on his site (license it GPL, so should be
OK).


I've already contacted the author (Sebastian Tschan) and he replied
I should now contact the Abine company, being current maintainer of
the extension. I've mailed them, also. In the meantime one may find
updated compatibility patch attached to this message.


Unfortunately I'm still waiting for reply from Abine.  Meanwhile I'm 
looking into patching the Secure Login extension further to address:


1. Work on some XSLT generated pages (by not employing 
HTMLDocument.forms interface, see Bug 230214);


2. Attach the login stuff to username-only forms, if info for it has 
already been stored into the password manager.


3. Find alternative to the current Remember Passwords extension 
approach (by not packaging a complete copy of the original Login 
Manager) for enabling remembering passwords on forms which otherwise 
suppress it.


I'm also trying to come up with solution to enable remembering 
usernames on username-only forms into the password manager w/o 
resorting to more complex extension like Saved Password Editor.


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Download YouTube Videos as MP4 and FLV 1.2.3 Extension

This used to work but YouTube changed something and when I click on More 
for this extension I end up here:


http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25105

When I click on Install, I end up here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/25105.user.js

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:

 Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle that 
 often, 
 and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not suitable for 
 business 
 use. I can dig out the link for anyone who hasn't learned to use a search 
 engine, I saw it in either networkworld.com or slashdot.
 
This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/


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Re: Tab Groups

2011-08-06 Thread Daniel


Ray_Net wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?



It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change,
with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would
see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a
team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in
any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are
still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist)



I HATE TABS !!! :-)


And *YOU* don't have to use them, as far as I know, Ray!!

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Re: 2.3 Released?


Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677010.


Thanks a lot!

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Re: new 2.3


Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:

What is the definition that you are using of 'progress'?
Is it only new features or wrinkles in the UI, or can it be eradication
of existing bugs and misguided UI feature implementations?


Both, even simplifying UI counts as that - at least for Firefox. I can't
speak for SeaMonkey (any more) there.


Like undoing previously 'thoughtfully' introduced UI elaborations? :-)



Why undoing things that user studies confirm as being better for novices 
than previous stuff?
Also, almost all changes that have been made in Firefox 4 can be 
customized away. But this is a SeaMonkey group, not a Firefox one, so 
this is off-topic here.


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Re: YouTube won't maximize?

2011-08-06 Thread David E. Ross

On 8/6/11 2:19 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
 Lately I've noticed that if I maximize a YouTube video, the content part 
 of the screen goes black. I still have controls at the bottom, and they 
 work, but that's it. At the end, the Replay and other navigation 
 controls appear in front of the black screen. I can maximize vids from 
 other sources. Is it just me?
 
 SM 2.0.14, WinXP SP3.
 
 Have tried clearing cache and cookies, restarting SM, no joy.
 
 Examples from two different YouTube posters:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRU
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6DNQX_lxkg
 
 Flash plugins:
 
 Shockwave Flash
  File name: NPSWF32.dll
  Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181
 
 Shockwave for Director
  File name: np32dsw.dll
  Adobe Shockwave for Director Netscape plug-in, version 11.5.9.615
 
 Any ideas?
 

Windows XP SP3
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 SeaMonkey/2.2
Flash 10.3.181.34 (10.3 r181(34))
800x600 screen, 32-bit true colors

I have no problem expanding the first video to fill my browser window.
The second video started fully expanded, possibly a result of viewing
the first one.

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Re: new 2.3


MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:


Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle that often,
and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not suitable for business
use. I can dig out the link for anyone who hasn't learned to use a search
engine, I saw it in either networkworld.com or slashdot.


This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/



Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal.

Therefore the end-user MUST install a new version each six weeks.
He have other things to do 
This is why he will decide: I will stay on my version for at least one 
year ... i am not part of an SM testing group.

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Re: Tab Groups


Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?



It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change,
with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would
see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a
team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in
any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are
still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist)



I HATE TABS !!! :-)


And *YOU* don't have to use them, as far as I know, Ray!!

I agree with you, but this is done by modifying obscure settings ... and 
i see the day when tabs and group-tabs will be forced to be used.


I don't see why developpers spent long times for gadgets instead of 
fixing the huge amount of bugs.

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread WLS

Ray_Net wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:

Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle
that often,
and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not suitable
for business
use. I can dig out the link for anyone who hasn't learned to use a
search
engine, I saw it in either networkworld.com or slashdot.

This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/

Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal.

Therefore the end-user MUST install a new version each six weeks.
He have other things to do
This is why he will decide: I will stay on my version for at least one
year ... i am not part of an SM testing group.

You are a part of any browser testing group whether you want to be or
not. Even the most stable releases have bugs, and new security holes are
often found that need to be fixed.

Some light reading for you if you so choose.

http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/2011/07/18/every-six-weeks/

and since Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are all Gecko based, this
was an interesting read for me.

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2011/08/02/extending-our-reach-lets-talk-gecko/

That was written by Mitchell Baker the Chair of the Mozilla Foundation.

I still want a crank for my auto ignition, but I had to move on, to that
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Re: Password Management Tips

2011-08-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov

Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:28:36 +0200, /Jens Hatlak/:
 Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

 1. Secure Login https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/secure-login/

 It is not packaged as SeaMonkey compatible but is easily patched
 to make it so - see secure_login+sm.diff attached.

 That's a good start, but there are some more issues hidden under the
 hood. For example, the automatic submitting doesn't seem to work
 with SM (i.e. needs further fixes). One issue I've found is in
 secureLogin.js, function initializeSignonAutofillFormsStatus.
 There's a version check that doesn't take the application into
 account. The author's intention was to check for FF 2.x, but SM 2.x
 also runs into that code.

Attaching an updated patch which should supposedly address all 
SeaMonkey compatibility points.  This one addresses the addition of 
Secure Login menu entry in the Tools menu per:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions_support_in_SeaMonkey_2#Differences_as_compared_to_other_toolkit.2f-based_applications

Still, I don't know why the menu entry appears between Clear 
Private Data and Data Manager, and not before Password Manager 
(after Data Manager) as instructed in secureLoginOverlay.xul:

  menupopup id=taskPopup
menu id=secureLoginToolsMenu insertbefore=menu_passwordManager/
  /menupopup

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diff -r 87508a3527d0 chrome.manifest
--- a/chrome.manifest   Sat Aug 06 18:58:22 2011 +0300
+++ b/chrome.manifest   Sat Aug 06 19:25:52 2011 +0300
@@ -19,6 +19,7 @@
 locale securelogin zh-TW   chrome/locale/zh-TW/
 skin   securelogin classic/1.0 chrome/skin/
 overlaychrome://browser/content/browser.xul
chrome://securelogin/content/secureLoginOverlay.xul
+overlaychrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul
chrome://securelogin/content/secureLoginOverlay.xul
 style  chrome://global/content/customizeToolbar.xul
chrome://securelogin/skin/secureLogin.css
 style  chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
chrome://securelogin/skin/secureLogin1.5.css
appversion2.0
 style  chrome://securelogin/content/secureLoginOptions.xul 
chrome://securelogin/skin/secureLoginOptions1.5.css appversion2.0
diff -r 87508a3527d0 chrome/content/secureLogin.js
--- a/chrome/content/secureLogin.js Sat Aug 06 18:58:22 2011 +0300
+++ b/chrome/content/secureLogin.js Sat Aug 06 19:25:52 2011 +0300
@@ -187,7 +187,7 @@
// Disable the prefilling of login forms if enabled, remember 
status:
try {
var rootPrefBranch = 
this.getPrefManager().getBranch('');
-   
if(this.getVersionComparator().compare(this.getAppInfo().version, '2.*')  0) {
+   
if(this.getVersionComparator().compare(this.getAppInfo().platformVersion, 
'1.8.*')  0) {
// Firefox version 1.5 - 2.0.0.*:

if(rootPrefBranch.getBoolPref('signon.prefillForms')) {

rootPrefBranch.setBoolPref('signon.prefillForms', false);
@@ -1994,7 +1994,7 @@
url = doc.location.href + 
this.secureLoginPrefs.getCharPref('secureLoginBookmarkHash');
}
 
-   
if(this.getVersionComparator().compare(this.getAppInfo().version, '2.*')  0) {
+   
if(this.getVersionComparator().compare(this.getAppInfo().platformVersion, 
'1.8.*')  0) {
// Firefox version 1.5 - 2.0.0.*:
var bookmarkArguments = {
name: doc.title,
@@ -2483,7 +2483,7 @@
finalizeSignonAutofillFormsStatus: function() {
// Re-enable the prefilling of login forms if setting has been 
true:
try {
-   
if(this.getVersionComparator().compare(this.getAppInfo().version, '2.*')  0) {
+   
if(this.getVersionComparator().compare(this.getAppInfo().platformVersion, 
'1.8.*')  0) {
// Firefox version 1.5 - 2.0.0.*:
if(this.autofillForms) {

this.getPrefManager().getBranch('').setBoolPref('signon.prefillForms', true);
diff -r 87508a3527d0 chrome/content/secureLoginOverlay.xul
--- a/chrome/content/secureLoginOverlay.xul Sat Aug 06 18:58:22 2011 +0300
+++ b/chrome/content/secureLoginOverlay.xul Sat Aug 06 19:25:52 2011 +0300
@@ -17,68 +17,71 @@
/
/stringbundleset
menupopup id=menu_ToolsPopup
-   menu
-   id=secureLoginToolsMenu
-   label=toolsmenu.label;
-   class=menu-iconic secureLoginIcon
-

Re: Download YouTube Videos as MP4 and FLV 1.2.3 Extension

2011-08-06 Thread Philip Chee

On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:53:18 -0500, JD wrote:
 This used to work but YouTube changed something and when I click on More 
 for this extension I end up here:
 
 http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25105
 
 When I click on Install, I end up here:
 
 http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/25105.user.js
 
 What do I do with that?

Greasemonkey has to be installed first.

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Re: Download YouTube Videos as MP4 and FLV 1.2.3 Extension


Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:53:18 -0500, JD wrote:

This used to work but YouTube changed something and when I click on More
for this extension I end up here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25105

When I click on Install, I end up here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/25105.user.js

What do I do with that?


Greasemonkey has to be installed first.

Phil



Or can I just copy all the text and save the file as User.js? I don't 
have a User.js file.


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Re: Tab Groups


Ray_Net wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?



It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change,
with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would
see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a
team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in
any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are
still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist)



I HATE TABS !!! :-)
Me as well. I prefer separate windows, or window that switch content 
from one to the other.


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Re: Tab Groups


Daniel wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?



It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change,
with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would
see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a
team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in
any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are
still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist)



I HATE TABS !!! :-)


And *YOU* don't have to use them, as far as I know, Ray!!

I'm not sure of that the wise Prophets at Mozilla will fix it so you 
have no choice but tabs. They will want you to use them whether you like 
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Re: Tab Groups


Ed Mullen schrieb:

Ant wrote:

On 8/5/2011 12:01 PM PT, Ed Mullen typed:


Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?


What does Tab Groups do?


http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/tabcandy/

I think it became standard in Firefox 4.


It has been included in a not yet completely mature state in Firefox 4 
and improved since then, but I don't know how something that is included 
somewhere - and not even very discoverable - became standard in your eyes.


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Re: Tab Groups

2011-08-06 Thread Ed Mullen


Ant wrote:

On 8/5/2011 12:01 PM PT, Ed Mullen typed:


Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?


What does Tab Groups do?


http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/tabcandy/

I think it became standard in Firefox 4.

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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-06 Thread Joe Rotello

Repeated it below, but whomever is freaking out on were told that 
Firefox is not suitable for business use. better sit down and realize 
that they were likely told / ordered what they would say. MS owns most 
of corporate America...period. And no, that's not a blanket 
statement...the likes of Firefox scares MS corporate.


Firefox updates FAST, PROPERLY, SAFELY and can be set to automatically 
update so fast -- on a decent speed machine, be it laptop or desktop, 
that who the #*#* cares if Firefox updates once every two weeks, two 
months, or two years?


Somebody is passing FUD around, likely a competitor or a frightened IT 
admin. It doesn't matter if Firefox is used in a corporate, small 
business, professional at home or common every-day end-user atmosphere.


Get a life, people !

BTW, Firefox RARELY -- almost almost-never -- updates every two weeks, 
and that's a fact.


Joe

 On 8/6/2011 1:40 PM, support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world: 
Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle that 
often, and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not 
suitable for business use. I can dig out the link for anyone who hasn't 
learned to use a search engine, I saw it in either networkworld.com or 
slashdot.

This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/

Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal.


Therefore the end-user MUST install a new version each six weeks.
He have other things to do 
This is why he will decide: I will stay on my version for at least one 
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Re: Tab Groups

2011-08-06 Thread Ed Mullen


Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen schrieb:

Ant wrote:

On 8/5/2011 12:01 PM PT, Ed Mullen typed:


Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?


What does Tab Groups do?


http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/tabcandy/

I think it became standard in Firefox 4.


It has been included in a not yet completely mature state in Firefox 4
and improved since then, but I don't know how something that is included
somewhere - and not even very discoverable - became standard in your
eyes.

Robert kaiser




Well, it's a feature that ships with the product so, yeah, a standard 
part of the product.


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Re:Tab Groups


Daniel wrote:
 Ray_Net wrote:
 Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
 On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
 Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?


 It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change,
 with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we 
would

 see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a
 team of many developers working on the feature, before it was 
shipped in

 any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are
 still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist)


 I HATE TABS !!! :-)

 And *YOU* don't have to use them, as far as I know, Ray!!

I'm not sure of that the wise Prophets at Mozilla will fix it so you 
have no choice but tabs. They will want you to use them whether you like 
them or not.


This better not be taken off again!

This was a proper comment about SeaMonkey.
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RE: Tab Groups


Ray_Net wrote:
 Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
 On 8/5/2011 3:01 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
 Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?


 It is a relatively desired feature for me, but it is a LARGE change,
 with LOTS of moving parts and interactions, so I do not suspect we would
 see it anytime soon, even if we had two paid developers. (Firefox had a
 team of many developers working on the feature, before it was shipped in
 any version; and it had many bugs when it did ship anyway, that are
 still being squished -- nevermind rough edges that still exist)


 I HATE TABS !!! :-)

Me as well. I prefer separate windows, or window that switch content 
from one to the other.


This is a Proper comment about SeaMonkey. leave its alone It refers to 
the subject Tab Groups coming to SeaMonkey.  It better no be taken off 
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Re: YouTube won't maximize?

2011-08-06 Thread Paul B. Gallagher


NoOp wrote:


On 08/06/2011 02:19 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Lately I've noticed that if I maximize a YouTube video, the content part
of the screen goes black. I still have controls at the bottom, and they
work, but that's it. At the end, the Replay and other navigation
controls appear in front of the black screen. I can maximize vids from
other sources. Is it just me?

...

Any ideas?


Right click on the video and select 'settings' - turn off hardware
acceleration. Worked for me (I also had sound but black screen until I
did that).


That worked, thanks!

BTW, when I tried to play these in IE 8, I was told it required Flash 
10.3 or higher (which I have) and I should upgrade. But what they really 
meant was I needed the ActiveX control, which was not offered when I 
reinstalled just a few moments earlier. And when I looked at Flash's 
Global Settings, it said


(•) Check for updates automatically (recommended)
( ) Never check for updates (not

[Check now] ActiveX Version: not installed
Plug-in Version: 10.3.181.34

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Re: new 2.3


WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:


Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle
that often,
and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not suitable
for business
use. I can dig out the link for anyone who hasn't learned to use a
search
engine, I saw it in either networkworld.com or slashdot.


This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/





Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal.

Therefore the end-user MUST install a new version each six weeks.
He have other things to do 
This is why he will decide: I will stay on my version for at least one
year ... i am not part of an SM testing group.


You are a part of any browser testing group whether you want to be or
not. Even the most stable releases have bugs, and new security holes are
often found that need to be fixed.

Some light reading for you if you so choose.

http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/2011/07/18/every-six-weeks/

and since Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are all Gecko based, this
was an interesting read for me.


At the end of the article, i read: Comments are closed.



http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2011/08/02/extending-our-reach-lets-talk-gecko/


That was written by Mitchell Baker the Chair of the Mozilla Foundation.

I still want a crank for my auto ignition, but I had to move on, to that
danged remote starter thingy,


I agree to start for the future but people need less steps to go to 
the future ... not a change every six weeks.

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Seamonkey 2.2 mail client temporary files deletion failure

2011-08-06 Thread User


Seamonkey 2.2 mail client temporary files deletion failure - On Seamonkey 2.2
and 2.1, it has been noted that the mail client (i.e. Messenger) fails to delete
temporary files such as NSCOPY.TMP and NSEMAIL.EML from the Windows temporary
folder. In previous versions of SM including 1.X and 2.X up to before 2.1, these
temporary files would be deleted and cleaned up properly by the mail client.
Hopefully, developers will see this and include this issue for future version
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Re: Download YouTube Videos as MP4 and FLV 1.2.3 Extension


Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:07:27 -0500, JD wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:53:18 -0500, JD wrote:

This used to work but YouTube changed something and when I click on More
for this extension I end up here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25105

When I click on Install, I end up here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/25105.user.js

What do I do with that?


Greasemonkey has to be installed first.

Phil



Or can I just copy all the text and save the file as User.js? I don't
have a User.js file.

I ask because the original version of this extension was an .xpi file, IIRC.


Someone used a Greasemonkey compiler and converted the userscript into
an XPI.

Phil



Greasemonkey is not compatible with SM2.2. Any suggestions on how to 
update the extension or do you know of some other extension that allows 
one to save YouTube videos, which is what this extension used to do.


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Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards

2011-08-06 Thread Don

Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward.   It has many changes with
no real improvement.  This new version makes some things take more
time, like simply saving a bookmark.   Now there is no way to
designate a new bookmark folder.

Many other problems.  For one thing there is no documentation for the
new changes.  example:  what the heck are unsorted bookmarks?   Also
when you open the bookmark header, what is the order of all the
bookmarks below the recent tags?

Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still
keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.?

Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain.
Not just to report a bug.  (this version IS a bug.)

Thanks for any help.

Don

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Never Mind..Re: Download YouTube Videos as MP4 and FLV 1.2.3 Extension


Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:07:27 -0500, JD wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 07:53:18 -0500, JD wrote:

This used to work but YouTube changed something and when I click on More
for this extension I end up here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25105

When I click on Install, I end up here:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/25105.user.js

What do I do with that?


Greasemonkey has to be installed first.

Phil



Or can I just copy all the text and save the file as User.js? I don't
have a User.js file.

I ask because the original version of this extension was an .xpi file, IIRC.


Someone used a Greasemonkey compiler and converted the userscript into
an XPI.

Phil



I got it installed by editing the install.rdf file after saving the .xpi 
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Re: Tab Groups

2011-08-06 Thread Ant


On 8/6/2011 11:26 AM PT, Ed Mullen typed:


Ant wrote:

On 8/5/2011 12:01 PM PT, Ed Mullen typed:


Will Firefox's Tab Groups be coming to SeaMonkey?


What does Tab Groups do?


http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/tabcandy/

I think it became standard in Firefox 4.


Interesting and thanks. So group tabs into tabs.
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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)




Robert Kaiser wrote:


Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those forums is at 
least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus from SeaMonkey and work on 
making Firefox more stable (in terms of not crashing) now.


Understood, Robert.  I can quite see that from the perspective
of a developer, pushing the frontiers of science is a far more
appealing prospect than a daily grind of bug-fixing and papering
over the cracks.  Unfortunately, from a user perspective, major
change is rarely welcome, whilst increased security and incremental
bug fixes are universally appreciated.

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov


Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:47:15 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:

Robert Kaiser wrote:


Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those
forums is at least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus
from SeaMonkey and work on making Firefox more stable (in terms of
not crashing) now.


Understood, Robert. I can quite see that from the perspective
of a developer, pushing the frontiers of science is a far more
appealing prospect than a daily grind of bug-fixing and papering
over the cracks. Unfortunately, from a user perspective, major
change is rarely welcome, whilst increased security and incremental
bug fixes are universally appreciated.


Do you guys clearly understand the SeaMonkey developers don't get 
paid for their work on SeaMonkey?  Once again - it is all volunteer 
effort!  Do you understand the maintenance of SeaMonkey involves 
various compromises to fit with the ever evolving Mozilla platform?


If you want completely feature frozen product - just use whatever 
version you've been satisfied with at some point in time.  However 
you understand you can't use just that version because of necessary 
security fixes appearing in subsequent releases, or just because the 
browser or another component becomes too outdated to support 
required latest technologies.  Note, the SeaMonkey developers don't 
develop these latest technologies and they can't provide security 
fixes to the platform on their own - we (the SeaMonkey users) are 
all dependent on the Mozilla platform (the development of which is 
mainly driven by the Firefox development).


You can either continue to bitch, or get your hands dirty by keeping 
track of how the Mozilla platform evolves, then get some technical 
knowledge to understand how this affects SeaMonkey, and then 
probably come up with some constructive comments... or code patches 
you're ready to maintain.


And of course, if you could come up with a successful business model 
which would fund the development of SeaMonkey in a direction you 
want - you're welcome to make it true.


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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often


Joe Rotello schrieb:

Firefox updates


This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a 
Firefox group.


Robert Kaiser

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Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards


Don schrieb:

Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still
keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.?


There is no older version that still is supported.

Unsorted bookmarks are those you file quickly with the new bookmarks 
icon at the right of the location bar.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often


Robert Kaiser wrote:

Joe Rotello schrieb:

Firefox updates


This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a
Firefox group.

Robert Kaiser


read the title again new 2.3

Now realize that Fire Fox is up to version 5, 6, 7, 8 or whatever.

Its obvious that whom ever started the thread clearly men SeaMonkey. 
Read the subject line people.


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Re: new 2.3


Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb:

Unfortunately, from a user perspective, major
change is rarely welcome, whilst increased security and incremental
bug fixes are universally appreciated.


Right, that's why the major change the web brought to computers was 
never appreciated by users, the major change that Firefox brought 
compared to Internet Explorer was never appreciated by users, and why 
the major change that smartphones and mobile devices are bringing to 
lives of everyone are not appreciated by users.
At least you confirm that we are living in different worlds and I should 
not work for a product made for yours, as I don't understand it.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often


Robert Kaiser wrote:

Joe Rotello schrieb:

Firefox updates


This is a SeaMonkey newsgroup, please take Firefox discussions to a
Firefox group.

Robert Kaiser


The original post meant SeaMonkey.

FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever.

SM increments their major updates  by .1's
2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on.

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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often


PhillipJones schrieb:

The original post meant SeaMonkey.


It didn't.


FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever.

SM increments their major updates by .1's
2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on.


That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates 
is very similar.


Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: 
But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system 
but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them.


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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-06 Thread Rufus


Robert Kaiser wrote:

PhillipJones schrieb:

The original post meant SeaMonkey.


It didn't.


FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever.

SM increments their major updates by .1's
2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on.


That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates
is very similar.

Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics:
But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system
but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them.

Robert Kaiser



...somebody clue me in on what this is all about?  I guess this time I'm 
on the side of the developers...the new release schedule is something I 
can completely understand for once...and it certainly doesn't bother me. 
 The numbers are just a reference and don't mean much in and of 
themselves, as stated.  I get it.  What's the problem?


Just because releases come fast and furious doesn't mean that a user has 
to update on anyone's schedule but their own.  They may need to pay more 
attention to the release notes and be more aware of what they're 
missing/getting, but in the end they are still in charge of 
administering their own machines...right?


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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread WLS

Ray_Net wrote:

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:

This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/

Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal.

You are a part of any browser testing group whether you want to be or
not. Even the most stable releases have bugs, and new security holes are
often found that need to be fixed.

Some light reading for you if you so choose.

http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/2011/07/18/every-six-weeks/

and since Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are all Gecko based, this
was an interesting read for me.

At the end of the article, i read: Comments are closed.

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2011/08/02/extending-our-reach-lets-talk-gecko/

That was written by Mitchell Baker the Chair of the Mozilla Foundation.

I still want a crank for my auto ignition, but I had to move on, to that
danged remote starter thingy,

I agree to start for the future but people need less steps to go to
the future ... not a change every six weeks.

If you want to miss out on 3D sound visualizers with WebGL and HTML5
Audio, that is your choice.

I want all the latest new web innovations, whether I use them or not.

I'd post a link to the demo, but it currently works in Firefox only.
Come on SM developers get caught up! :)

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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-06 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 06/08/2011 20:07, Robert Kaiser told the world:

 Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics: 
 But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system 
 but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them.

I agree. At the more basic level, any version numbering scheme conveys
just one thing: the release order of versions. But a numbering scheme
CAN be designed to carry additional, useful information.

For instance, the traditional major.minor.update.patch numbering scheme
was designed to deal with a forked genealogy of releases -- so you can
release a minor patch to version 3.0 after 3.1 is already being
distributed and 4.0 is in beta, for instance, and make that genealogical
information instantly understandable.

Now, the Mozilla rapid-release system essentially done away with any
secondary meaning in version numbers, since there are no longer
maintenance releases for older versions. The only remaining information
is in the third number group -- the update release. Which is not
intended to be used very much. The lack of secondary meaning in version
numbers becomes evident when you realize that Firefox is going full
sequential, Seamonkey is going minor-version sequential -- and neither
camp has a very compelling argument for their chosen scheme.

I think a Year.Month version numbering, a la Ubuntu, would be a better
long-term scheme. At least, it has SOME secondary meaning: the release
date. I think after a couple years of rapid-fire releases, users will
begin to lose track and will no longer be able to tell if Chrome 22,
Firefox 17 or Seamonkey 2.15 is the current release or not.

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 06/08/2011 16:57, Ray_Net told the world:

 I agree to start for the future but people need less steps to go to 
 the future ... not a change every six weeks.

I disagree. Small, incremental steps are easier to get used to. If you
get one new feature at a time, you have six weeks to get used to it and
learn to use it. Also, if you introduce one new thing at a time, it's
easier to trace bugs when something goes wrong.

If you save all the new features for a big release next year, you get
the following:

1. Users overwhelmed by all the new features, who ended up not even
*trying* 90% of them. Classic example: Microsoft Office. I once read a
posting by somebody in the Office team saying they keep receiving
requests for new features that have in fact been part of the product
for three or four versions...

2. Hard-to-trace bugs, which can be caused by any one of three or four
different new features.


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MCBastos schrieb:

1. Users overwhelmed by all the new features, who ended up not even
*trying* 90% of them. Classic example: Microsoft Office.


Or Firefox 4. ;-)

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Tried using Data Manager

2011-08-06 Thread Stan

I thought I'd be real sophisticated using SM. So, I deleted cookies, 
popups, etc. and decided I'd use Data Manager to set these items as a 
couple of my often used applications called for them.


Well, I didn't quite understand the exact procedure for using Data Manager.

BUT, the biggy was that various applications started doing weird things. 
Meetup would go through the motions of logging me in, but it wouldn't 
happen.  Had to go to IE.


ProBoards forum I used wouldn't log me in.

Live Journal started inserting a short video commercial every time I 
clicked on anything.


Live Journals home page blocked getting at certain Menu items.

I've already given up on things like Stumble Upon and using the old 
version messes up Tabbing.


Well, I reverted to allowing Cookies and allowing Pop-ups on some 
programs and all my problems went away.


Guess I'm not ready for sophistication:-)

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread Bill Davidsen

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:

This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/

Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal.

You are a part of any browser testing group whether you want to be or
not. Even the most stable releases have bugs, and new security holes are
often found that need to be fixed.

Some light reading for you if you so choose.

http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/2011/07/18/every-six-weeks/

and since Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are all Gecko based, this
was an interesting read for me.

At the end of the article, i read: Comments are closed.

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2011/08/02/extending-our-reach-lets-talk-gecko/

That was written by Mitchell Baker the Chair of the Mozilla Foundation.

I still want a crank for my auto ignition, but I had to move on, to that
danged remote starter thingy,

I agree to start for the future but people need less steps to go to
the future ... not a change every six weeks.

If you want to miss out on 3D sound visualizers with WebGL and HTML5
Audio, that is your choice.

Yes, please, can I trade all the gamer fluff for just getting an occasional cork
to plug a hole where vermin could get in?

I want all the latest new web innovations, whether I use them or not.

I bet you have a car with a huge engine and big tires and never go over 30, too.

I'd post a link to the demo, but it currently works in Firefox only.
Come on SM developers get caught up! :)

No, it probably works in most webkit browsers, too. At least if the demo follows
any standards.

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Re: Tried using Data Manager

2011-08-06 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)


On 8/6/2011 9:22 PM, Stan wrote:

So, I deleted cookies, popups, etc.


What did you do to delete these, by my reading it sounds as though you 
deleted them some way, THEN went to use the data manager for teh first 
time; which sounds as if you did the deletion another way.


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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:

This guy at Ars Technica had a different spin on the issue:

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/firefox-update-policy-the-enterprise-is-wrong-not-mozilla.ars/

Where we can read: six week cycle is the goal.

You are a part of any browser testing group whether you want to be or
not. Even the most stable releases have bugs, and new security holes are
often found that need to be fixed.

Some light reading for you if you so choose.

http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/2011/07/18/every-six-weeks/

and since Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are all Gecko based, this
was an interesting read for me.

At the end of the article, i read: Comments are closed.

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2011/08/02/extending-our-reach-lets-talk-gecko/

That was written by Mitchell Baker the Chair of the Mozilla Foundation.

I still want a crank for my auto ignition, but I had to move on, to that
danged remote starter thingy,

I agree to start for the future but people need less steps to go to
the future ... not a change every six weeks.

If you want to miss out on 3D sound visualizers with WebGL and HTML5
Audio, that is your choice.

I want all the latest new web innovations, whether I use them or not.

I'd post a link to the demo, but it currently works in Firefox only.
Come on SM developers get caught up! :)

Huh, unless the web app is specifically targetting Firefox and ignoring
everyone else, a similar-Gecko-Version SeaMonkey should work for those
pure-web demo's.

Can you provide a link to what is not working in SeaMonkey that Works in
Firefox on a web demo level. ESPECIALLY if it is hosted by mozilla.

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-06 Thread Rufus


Graham wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Right, that's why the major change the web brought to computers was
never appreciated by users, the major change that Firefox brought
compared to Internet Explorer was never appreciated by users, and why
the major change that smartphones and mobile devices are bringing to
lives of everyone are not appreciated by users.
At least you confirm that we are living in different worlds and I should
not work for a product made for yours, as I don't understand it.


Funny that. I thought that a large part of the point of Seamonkey was
precisely to avoid change for change's sake, or we'd all have been using
Firefox.

Graham.


...WTF is *this*?

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/

I can only assume if this works on an iPhone, it will also work on my 
iPad (iOS being iOS), though the graphics won't be optimized for it. 
But this could be something I'd be interested in as an iPad user...


And Safari and Firefox are looking/feeling more and more like each other 
as time goes by.


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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often


Robert Kaiser wrote:

PhillipJones schrieb:

The original post meant SeaMonkey.


It didn't.


FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever.

SM increments their major updates by .1's
2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on.


That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates
is very similar.

Version numbers in software are just like coordinate systems in physics:
But necessarily and irrelevant. They're necessary as a reference system
but it's completely irrelevant and arbitrary how you set them.

Robert Kaiser



I was referring to the admonition that the thread should be in FireFox. 
when the op meant SeaMonkey and wrote Firefox. FireFox 2.3 is so old it 
has a beard as long as mine. Gee I thought I was the one that didn't 
catch on so quick.


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Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often