Re: [SM2.3.3, Win7] View dropdown menu UI improvement ?
Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:12:18 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:27:19 -0400, /Rostyslaw Lewyckyj/: On the third menu bar on the email screen there is a dropdown menu box called View: . You have three menu bars, really? Wow. Reading one of your other posts, I now realize you name all of the menu bar and the toolbars as menu bars. So you're really talking about the Mail Views widget on the default Search Bar toolbar (in my setup I don't have such one). -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM 2.3.3, Win7] Hung alert when Sending messages?
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. Sometimes, like earlier this evening, when I send a message, SM will first put up an alert that it is sending the message, and then a second alert about copying the message, which I presume relates to copying the message to the sent folder, and this second alert gets hung and won't complete. The message shows up on the list of messages available from the newsgroup server, so I know it was sent. The message appears in the sent folder, and I can load it from there to check that it is complete. Yet the second alert gets hung, with the progress indicator going madly, over and over, from left to right in the progress bar . I have let it stay hung for a couple of hours until I finally pressed cancel. Where is the error? Who is failing to post completion, or who is failing to check the completion flag? Forget about this subject - it will never be corrected - It's the way SM works - Other mails clients did not exhibit such a problem. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM 2.3.3, Win7] Hung alert when Sending messages?
Ray_Net wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. Sometimes, like earlier this evening, when I send a message, SM will first put up an alert that it is sending the message, and then a second alert about copying the message, which I presume relates to copying the message to the sent folder, and this second alert gets hung and won't complete. The message shows up on the list of messages available from the newsgroup server, so I know it was sent. The message appears in the sent folder, and I can load it from there to check that it is complete. Yet the second alert gets hung, with the progress indicator going madly, over and over, from left to right in the progress bar . I have let it stay hung for a couple of hours until I finally pressed cancel. Where is the error? Who is failing to post completion, or who is failing to check the completion flag? Forget about this subject - it will never be corrected - It's the way SM works - Other mails clients did not exhibit such a problem. something wrong with your /smtp/ settings? Gertjan -- None love the bearer of bad news. -- Sophocles ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM 2.3.3, Win7] Odd UI behaviour opening e-mail folders, and newsgroups, as tabs.
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. My email/news display is set up to have a folder pane on the left and a messages pane on the right. The message reading area has been minimized. In viewlayout I have classic view + Thread pane + Folder pane selected. When I select a folder it opens and the messages available are listed in the right pane. When I select a message and CR or double click the message opens in full screen window and CTRL-W brings me back to the message pane. So far, so good. NOW if I choose a second folder and right click, and choose OPEN IN A NEW TAB. SM opens a new tab but the message pane layout has been split horizontally into a message list and a message reading area!! Moreover when I chose to open the mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup folder the reading area displayed a header with a wavy blue line and a text of Welcome to Seamonkey ... and underneath a blurb about SeaMonkey features. It was not any of the newsgroup messages, and when I selected one of the other messages, I could not afterwards get back to this mysterious Welcome message. Now, of course, I can adjust/minimize the message pane But why does SM choose to open the tab in this fashion? Is this some recent improvement? or a coding error? The mysterious Welcome message you mention is probably chrome://messenger/content/start.xhtml which you can select in Edit-Preferences-MailNewsgroups at the Mail Start Page. Why you are getting the Page with-in a Page effect is beyond memaybe one of the devs will drop by! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
OT Merc anticts (was:- Re: Are security(sic/sick) updates _EVER_ needed? ?? ???)
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 15/09/2011 00:12, NoOp told the world: Snip got behind the wheel on his Mercedes at twice the speed limit -- Difficult enough to do at the speed limit!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM 2.3.3, Win7] Hung alert when Sending messages?
GerardJan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. Sometimes, like earlier this evening, when I send a message, SM will first put up an alert that it is sending the message, and then a second alert about copying the message, which I presume relates to copying the message to the sent folder, and this second alert gets hung and won't complete. The message shows up on the list of messages available from the newsgroup server, so I know it was sent. The message appears in the sent folder, and I can load it from there to check that it is complete. Yet the second alert gets hung, with the progress indicator going madly, over and over, from left to right in the progress bar . I have let it stay hung for a couple of hours until I finally pressed cancel. Where is the error? Who is failing to post completion, or who is failing to check the completion flag? Forget about this subject - it will never be corrected - It's the way SM works - Other mails clients did not exhibit such a problem. something wrong with your /smtp/ settings? Doubtful, otherwise it would happen every time! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
deleting old emails
Under synchronisation and storage in the account settings there is a provision for deleting messages according to certain criteria. This is to save disc space. One is for a maximum number of saved messages and another is for messages more than a set number of days old. However, I suspect that this works only for the POP3 protocol. I use IMAP so only the headers are downloaded to my computer. Is this correct please? And if so is there an easy way to delete old emails when using IMAP? Thanks Neil ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
New computer, brand new installation of Ubuntu 11.04 Gnome, ext4 file system . I use Thunderbird, wife uses Seamonkey on same box. The latest version in the 11.04 repository is 2.0.13 and it installed as expected. I set up her POP email account (1 account). It receives mail fine. Browsing is fine. When clicking either the Compose button for a new mail, or the Reply button to reply to one received, all of SeaMonkey disappears. Crashed, and gone from Processes (the Task Manager to Windows people). I've removed 2.0.13 and reinstalled it, but kept same profile. No change in the crashing. Google unhelpful. Any ideas? (I'd rather not mess with a non-deb version at this time, such as what I've found for 2.3.3.) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are security(sic/sick) updates _EVER_ needed? ?? ???
On 9/15/11, Paul p...@main.com wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
Provocative enough subject line?
Actually I'm *serious* !
I personally suspect that all these security features are trying to
protect users from there own culpable acts.
I take responsibility for my own well being by:
1. *DISABLING* {user.js *IS* your friend}
JavaScript
Cookies
2. *NOT* using an always live connection
3. a local *always LIVE* firewall set to _paranoid_
4. my ISP provides some firewall and anti-virus email protection
and other measures
IMO, most people are not computer literate and don't know
how the internet works. My friends are always getting nasty
virus stuff because they click on everything they see.
Several of them have accidentally shared their family's
financial data and bank accounts with China.
I have been working with computers since 1977 and online
since 1987 and have never gotten any sort of virus.
I don't have an active scanner and don't get spam.
All my accounts are fake and behind multiple natted hardware
and software firewalls. Ports are locked. I use SM 1119
and have no need for the latest and greatest bloatware.
Do you at least do your web browsing under a user account and only use
the root/administrator account for doing admin tasks? NAT and/or
firewalls aren't going to protect you if you come across a malicious
web site.
Regards,
Lee
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Re: [SM 2.3.3, Win7] Hung alert when Sending messages?
Daniel wrote: GerardJan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. Sometimes, like earlier this evening, when I send a message, SM will first put up an alert that it is sending the message, and then a second alert about copying the message, which I presume relates to copying the message to the sent folder, and this second alert gets hung and won't complete. The message shows up on the list of messages available from the newsgroup server, so I know it was sent. The message appears in the sent folder, and I can load it from there to check that it is complete. Yet the second alert gets hung, with the progress indicator going madly, over and over, from left to right in the progress bar . I have let it stay hung for a couple of hours until I finally pressed cancel. Where is the error? Who is failing to post completion, or who is failing to check the completion flag? Forget about this subject - it will never be corrected - It's the way SM works - Other mails clients did not exhibit such a problem. something wrong with your /smtp/ settings? Doubtful, otherwise it would happen every time! Correct, the problem is inside SM ... other mails clients responded appropriately with all scenarios of the smtp server. This bug will never be corrected, because, it's not reproductible. The only way of helping de SM developers is to furnish them the debug dialog of the discussions between SM and the smtp server. I doubt that this could be done by everyone. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself: Followup: I've removed 2.0.13 and reinstalled it, but kept same profile. No change in the crashing. Google unhelpful. Any ideas? I have completely removed SeaMonkey -- now *including* the profile -- and reinstalled 2.0.13 with new profile. Same thing occurs: a complete crash of all parts of SM as soon as the Compose or Reply buttons are clicked. :-/ -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself: Followup: I've removed 2.0.13 and reinstalled it, but kept same profile. No change in the crashing. Google unhelpful. Any ideas? I have completely removed SeaMonkey -- now *including* the profile -- and reinstalled 2.0.13 with new profile. Same thing occurs: a complete crash of all parts of SM as soon as the Compose or Reply buttons are clicked. :-/ SM 2.0.13 is no longer secure, try SM 2.3.3 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ -- SeaMonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
WLS wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself: Followup: I've removed 2.0.13 and reinstalled it, but kept same profile. No change in the crashing. Google unhelpful. Any ideas? I have completely removed SeaMonkey -- now *including* the profile -- and reinstalled 2.0.13 with new profile. Same thing occurs: a complete crash of all parts of SM as soon as the Compose or Reply buttons are clicked. :-/ SM 2.0.13 is no longer secure, try SM 2.3.3 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ You must have missed my original post in this thread. But thanks. Security is not the issue here; total crashing is. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
WebGL demos
Among the advantages of staying current on SM (hey, it can't ALL be bugs and angst) are these particularly nifty, IMHO, WebGL examples: https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/webkit/Earth.html https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/google/shiny-teapot/index.html From here: http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Demo_Repository ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
WLS wrote: So why doesn't [does?] Ubuntu have SM 2.0.14? Is that operating system that bad they don't keep up with security releases of browsers? Not that SM 2.0.14 is up to date with security fixes. I can't answer that, except to say that Ubuntu is a fine operating system. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
Sorry about that. Maybe it is all bugs and angst. Check if there's a newer video driver (direct from the chipset vendor, eg nVidia, not the card manufacturer). Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: cmcadams wrote: Among the advantages of staying current on SM (hey, it can't ALL be bugs and angst) are these particularly nifty, IMHO, WebGL examples: https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/webkit/Earth.html Seamonkey 2.3.3 (most recent stable version) : It doesn't appear your computer can support WebGL. Click here for more information. :-( Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: lol! I'll worry about security later, after I get the current repository-provided version working without crashing! Sometimes, when a program crashes repeatedly and inexplicably, it is not the program at fault at all (except in the sense that it was not coded defensively : a common trait in far too much software) but rather the environment within which it needs to work. If completely removing everything Mozilla-related from your machine does not effect a cure, I would suggest a remedial repair of your operating system. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
cmcadams wrote: Sorry about that. Maybe it is all bugs and angst. Check if there's a newer video driver (direct from the chipset vendor, eg nVidia, not the card manufacturer). about:config webgl.force-enabled - true appears to suffice : I wonder why it is necessary ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: WLS wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: WLS wrote: SM 2.0.13 is no longer secure, try SM 2.3.3 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ You must have missed my original post in this thread. But thanks. Security is not the issue here; total crashing is. I didn't. Well if you get it working, then security will be the issue. There's nothing like than falling back on Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt when faced with the description of a problem for which you can't easily identify a cause. lol! I'll worry about security later, after I get the current repository-provided version working without crashing! What do they have to say about it on the Ubuntu forum? Could it be a bad build in the repository? I'm also curious as to what version of Thunderbird they offer, not that it has anything to do with your problem. -- SeaMonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: about:config webgl.force-enabled - true appears to suffice : I wonder why it is necessary ? Unless I also set about:config webgl.force_osmesa to true, in which case it stops working again. W[hat]TH is osmesa and W]ho]TH thought it a good idea to allow both underscores and hyphens in about:config variable names ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM 2.3.3, Win7] Hung alert when Sending messages?
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: GerardJan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. Sometimes, like earlier this evening, when I send a message, SM will first put up an alert that it is sending the message, and then a second alert about copying the message, which I presume relates to copying the message to the sent folder, and this second alert gets hung and won't complete. The message shows up on the list of messages available from the newsgroup server, so I know it was sent. The message appears in the sent folder, and I can load it from there to check that it is complete. Yet the second alert gets hung, with the progress indicator going madly, over and over, from left to right in the progress bar . I have let it stay hung for a couple of hours until I finally pressed cancel. Where is the error? Who is failing to post completion, or who is failing to check the completion flag? Forget about this subject - it will never be corrected - It's the way SM works - Other mails clients did not exhibit such a problem. something wrong with your /smtp/ settings? Doubtful, otherwise it would happen every time! Correct, the problem is inside SM ... other mails clients responded appropriately with all scenarios of the smtp server. This bug will never be corrected, because, it's not reproductible. The only way of helping de SM developers is to furnish them the debug dialog of the discussions between SM and the smtp server. I doubt that this could be done by everyone. Well the bug doesn't bite *that* often. Seems that one would have to keep a continuous log of the SM--smtp server dialogue in anticipation of an error. It would slow SM down a fair bit. But couldn't they set up a test environment between two machines one running SM and the other acting as the server and let it run a test script? Oh well... I'm sure they have more pressing bugs to squash. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
On 9/15/2011 2:04 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: cmcadams wrote: Sorry about that. Maybe it is all bugs and angst. Check if there's a newer video driver (direct from the chipset vendor, eg nVidia, not the card manufacturer). about:config webgl.force-enabled - true appears to suffice : I wonder why it is necessary ? Its necessary because the driver/hardware combo you have is faulty in one of possibly many ways. It could be security flawed, allowing a code escalation at the driver level in your driver. It could be graphic corruption level, causing your screen display to misbehave (even outside of Firefox/SeaMonkey bounds). It could be graphic escalation leakages, allowing SeaMonkey (and the webpage) to send back to server information from other parts of your screen and other open applications. It could be simply crashy, causing many instability issues when coupled with WebGL. All of those reasons is why we block graphics/hardware. We do allow the force_enabled for those cases where a developer/user wants to hack around restrictions, or try to fix them at the Gecko Software Level. As well as for when a website designer wants to utilize WebGL but his own hardware wants to be blocked. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM2.3.3, Win7] View dropdown menu UI improvement ?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:12:18 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:27:19 -0400, /Rostyslaw Lewyckyj/: On the third menu bar on the email screen there is a dropdown menu box called View: . You have three menu bars, really? Wow. Reading one of your other posts, I now realize you name all of the menu bar and the toolbars as menu bars. So you're really talking about the Mail Views widget on the default Search Bar toolbar (in my setup I don't have such one). Stanimir: Call them whatever you want. Perhaps I am not using the right terminology. On my screen: - The first line, menu bar, has : File, Edit, View, Options,... - The second line, menu bar, has: get msgs, compose,| Reply, Reply all, - The third line, I call it a menu bar, has: -- View: + drop down selection box, and -- 'Search Subject or Address' box, and -- and 'Advanced' button It is the View: + drop down selection box entry on the third line that I am referring to. Since you don't have this bar and widget, can you make any relevant comments anyhow? -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
WLS wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: lol! I'll worry about security later, after I get the current repository-provided version working without crashing! What do they have to say about it on the Ubuntu forum? Could it be a bad build in the repository? Can't say. I haven't been to the forum yet, to ask. A search of it turned up nothing like this Compose-Crash incident. I'm also curious as to what version of Thunderbird they offer, not that it has anything to do with your problem. Thunderbird: 3.1.13 Firefox: 6.0.2 Don't ask me why. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: lol! I'll worry about security later, after I get the current repository-provided version working without crashing! Sometimes, when a program crashes repeatedly and inexplicably, it is not the program at fault at all (except in the sense that it was not coded defensively : a common trait in far too much software) but rather the environment within which it needs to work. If completely removing everything Mozilla-related from your machine does not effect a cure, I would suggest a remedial repair of your operating system. Repair the OS? I just installed it fresh, on a brand new computer, a few days ago. I don't think a repair would be necessary. My old computer was running 8.04 LTS since it was released with never a repair needed. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM2.3.3, Win7] View dropdown menu UI improvement ?
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a écrit : I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. On the third menu bar on the email screen there is a dropdown menu box called View: . When one clicks on the triangle in the box, instead of a normal drop down list of choices, the drop down list has a ball/bullet at the entry currently selected, if it is All or Unread, and blank in the space on the menu. If one moves up or down between those two entries they fill or blank respectively. The other choices appear to behave normally. Also if one chooses one of the other views, the bullet goes away and it doesn't come back if one goes back to 'all' or 'unread' without completing a choice. Either I don't understand what you are saying or I'm not experiencing this behaviour. My View drop-down works perfectly fine and its bullets too, with no blank space. S ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: WLS wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: lol!I'll worry about security later, after I get the current repository-provided version working without crashing! What do they have to say about it on the Ubuntu forum? Could it be a bad build in the repository? Can't say. I haven't been to the forum yet, to ask. A search of it turned up nothing like this Compose-Crash incident. I'm also curious as to what version of Thunderbird they offer, not that it has anything to do with your problem. Thunderbird: 3.1.13 Firefox: 6.0.2 Don't ask me why. Probably because the focus is on Firefox as a browser, and whatever email client is packaged with the OS. In my openSUSE using the Gnome desktop, the default email client is Evolution. However, openSUSE does keep SeaMonkey and Thunderbird up to date in the software repository. As stated previously, I prefer to manually install. -- SeaMonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/15/2011 2:04 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: about:config webgl.force-enabled - true appears to suffice : I wonder why it is necessary ? Its necessary because the driver/hardware combo you have is faulty in one of possibly many ways. It could be security flawed, allowing a code escalation at the driver level in your driver. It could be graphic corruption level, causing your screen display to misbehave (even outside of Firefox/SeaMonkey bounds). It could be graphic escalation leakages, allowing SeaMonkey (and the webpage) to send back to server information from other parts of your screen and other open applications. It could be simply crashy, causing many instability issues when coupled with WebGL. All of those reasons is why we block graphics/hardware. We do allow the force_enabled for those cases where a developer/user wants to hack around restrictions, or try to fix them at the Gecko Software Level. As well as for when a website designer wants to utilize WebGL but his own hardware wants to be blocked. OK, thank you, that is both helpful and informative. Now how do I go about finding out which of the possibilities applies in the case of my hardware (Asus Extreme AC300SE/T; PC Wizard 2010 reports OpenGL supported) and driver software (ATI Catalyst [TM] Control Center Version 2010.0210.2339.42455; ATI Driver 6.14.10.0310) ? And does Seamonkey make this decision based on a probe, or based on a blacklist, or based on a whitelist, or on some other criterion ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
On 09/15/2011 05:09 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: New computer, brand new installation of Ubuntu 11.04 Gnome, ext4 file system. I use Thunderbird, wife uses Seamonkey on same box. The latest version in the 11.04 repository is 2.0.13 and it installed as expected. I set up her POP email account (1 account). It receives mail fine. Browsing is fine. When clicking either the Compose button for a new mail, or the Reply button to reply to one received, all of SeaMonkey disappears. Crashed, and gone from Processes (the Task Manager to Windows people). I've removed 2.0.13 and reinstalled it, but kept same profile. No change in the crashing. Google unhelpful. Any ideas? (I'd rather not mess with a non-deb version at this time, such as what I've found for 2.3.3.) File a bug report (but first check to see if one has already been filed that matches your issue): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey That said; I am helping to test new 2.3.3 packages for SeaMonkey on Lucid, Maverick, Natty, and Oneiric that have been build by Joe Lesko. So far they are working just fine (I'm posting this with that build). Once done those will replace the exisiting 2.0.13 versions in the repositories. If you'd like to give 2.3.3 a try, drop me a note directly (drop the '.invalid' from my email address) and I'll provide you information on installing from the ppa. If not, and in the interim I'd very much advise that you simply download and extract the standard SeaMonkey 2.3.3 to a home folder and run it from there. you'll not have to mess about with the Ubuntu 2.0.13 version (which IMO to this point has been poorly maintained). I gave up on the Ubuntu 2.0.x versions long ago and have been very happy running standard SM from my home folder. Gary ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Mail crashes when clicking Compose or Reply
NoOp wrote: On 09/15/2011 05:09 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: New computer, brand new installation of Ubuntu 11.04 Gnome, ext4 file system. I use Thunderbird, wife uses Seamonkey on same box. The latest version in the 11.04 repository is 2.0.13 and it installed as expected. I set up her POP email account (1 account). It receives mail fine. Browsing is fine. When clicking either the Compose button for a new mail, or the Reply button to reply to one received, all of SeaMonkey disappears. Crashed, and gone from Processes (the Task Manager to Windows people). I've removed 2.0.13 and reinstalled it, but kept same profile. No change in the crashing. Google unhelpful. Any ideas? (I'd rather not mess with a non-deb version at this time, such as what I've found for 2.3.3.) File a bug report (but first check to see if one has already been filed that matches your issue): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey That said; I am helping to test new 2.3.3 packages for SeaMonkey on Lucid, Maverick, Natty, and Oneiric that have been build by Joe Lesko. So far they are working just fine (I'm posting this with that build). Once done those will replace the exisiting 2.0.13 versions in the repositories. If you'd like to give 2.3.3 a try, drop me a note directly (drop the '.invalid' from my email address) and I'll provide you information on installing from the ppa. Thanks. I've already read about that, though. If not, and in the interim I'd very much advise that you simply download and extract the standard SeaMonkey 2.3.3 to a home folder and run it from there. you'll not have to mess about with the Ubuntu 2.0.13 version (which IMO to this point has been poorly maintained). I gave up on the Ubuntu 2.0.x versions long ago and have been very happy running standard SM from my home folder. I may try that. I've got the tar for 2.3.3 parked here already. Meanwhile, she's using my webmail interface g. (Our email addresses use my domain.) All she does is a few emails a week with one person, and some visits to the daughter's facebook page. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [SM2.3.3, Win7] View dropdown menu UI improvement ?
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: I'm on a Win7 Ultimate with SP1 system. My SM 2.3.3 is the pushed update to SM 2.3.2 which was downloaded and applied over an SM 2.0.14 system. I have no add-ons. On the third menu bar on the email screen there is a dropdown menu box called View: . When one clicks on the triangle in the box, instead of a normal drop down list of choices, the drop down list has a ball/bullet at the entry currently selected, if it is All or Unread, and blank in the space on the menu. If one moves up or down between those two entries they fill or blank respectively. The other choices appear to behave normally. Also if one chooses one of the other views, the bullet goes away and it doesn't come back if one goes back to 'all' or 'unread' without completing a choice. It must have taken some extra coding to design this behaviour. I just don't understand how this is supposed to be an improvement. So in your Search Bar, you are concerned that the bullet next to the All or Unread selection goes away when you select one of the Tags or Custom View, and doesn't return until you select All or Unread again? Is it in the release notes that this is an improvement? I'm too lazy to look right now. The space is for entering an address or subject you want to search for in your email or newsgroups. You didn't click advanced and find anything to complain about there? -- SeaMonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
On 9/15/2011 3:07 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/15/2011 2:04 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: about:config webgl.force-enabled - true appears to suffice : I wonder why it is necessary ? Its necessary because the driver/hardware combo you have is faulty in one of possibly many ways. It could be security flawed, allowing a code escalation at the driver level in your driver. It could be graphic corruption level, causing your screen display to misbehave (even outside of Firefox/SeaMonkey bounds). It could be graphic escalation leakages, allowing SeaMonkey (and the webpage) to send back to server information from other parts of your screen and other open applications. It could be simply crashy, causing many instability issues when coupled with WebGL. All of those reasons is why we block graphics/hardware. We do allow the force_enabled for those cases where a developer/user wants to hack around restrictions, or try to fix them at the Gecko Software Level. As well as for when a website designer wants to utilize WebGL but his own hardware wants to be blocked. OK, thank you, that is both helpful and informative. Now how do I go about finding out which of the possibilities applies in the case of my hardware (Asus Extreme AC300SE/T; PC Wizard 2010 reports OpenGL supported) and driver software (ATI Catalyst [TM] Control Center Version 2010.0210.2339.42455; ATI Driver 6.14.10.0310) ? And does Seamonkey make this decision based on a probe, or based on a blacklist, or based on a whitelist, or on some other criterion ? I am fairly sure its based on a whitelist of known-good. But SeaMonkey uses the determination of the Core Gecko devs for this data/usage. I personally don't know all too much about the innards of how the QA is done for this side of things. Perhaps asking in m.d.platform would be helpful here. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
On 11-09-15 3:07 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: And does Seamonkey make this decision based on a probe, or based on a blacklist, or based on a whitelist, or on some other criterion ? There's a list with links to bugs at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drivers. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
WLS wrote: cmcadams wrote: Among the advantages of staying current on SM (hey, it can't ALL be bugs and angst) are these particularly nifty, IMHO, WebGL examples: https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/webkit/Earth.html https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/google/shiny-teapot/index.html From here: http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Demo_Repository First you need current supported hardware, and they are nifty. Love the teapot! Agreed! I discovered by attempting to follow these links that I had to upgrade my NVIDIA graphic card drivers on my 1-yr. old desktop. I'm not sure why I had never received notification of the important update from somebody (either Dell or NVIDIA). But thanks to this, I did the upgrade and it downloaded and installed easily. And now I can view these WegGL demos with SeaMonkey, no problem. That's just another reason why I read this group regularly. Thanks again. -- Ken Rudolph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
I didn't even realize that was there, mine's still set to false. The answer from Justin appears to resolve that: it could well still be the driver. Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: cmcadams wrote: Sorry about that. Maybe it is all bugs and angst. Check if there's a newer video driver (direct from the chipset vendor, eg nVidia, not the card manufacturer). about:config webgl.force-enabled - true appears to suffice : I wonder why it is necessary ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
Ken Rudolph wrote: WLS wrote: cmcadams wrote: Among the advantages of staying current on SM (hey, it can't ALL be bugs and angst) are these particularly nifty, IMHO, WebGL examples: https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/webkit/Earth.html https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/google/shiny-teapot/index.html From here: http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Demo_Repository First you need current supported hardware, and they are nifty. Love the teapot! Agreed! I discovered by attempting to follow these links that I had to upgrade my NVIDIA graphic card drivers on my 1-yr. old desktop. I'm not sure why I had never received notification of the important update from somebody (either Dell or NVIDIA). But thanks to this, I did the upgrade and it downloaded and installed easily. And now I can view these WegGL demos with SeaMonkey, no problem. That's just another reason why I read this group regularly. Thanks again. Similar situation here; I didn't know WebGL existed when I was still using my ancient 1-yr old video driver. Win Update had been telling me I had an updated driver, and on a whim I let it install it. Major mistake. Many problems I won't go into, but I ended up manually uninstalling the MS-installed driver, going to nVidia and downloading their latest. Suddenly, in addition to having WebGL (shown at the bottom of about:support), several display issues I'd thought were Seamonkey's fault went away. Sigh. No general rules for life to be gotten here, I think. Just that things are sometimes not what you think. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WebGL demos
On 9/15/2011 7:13 PM, cmcadams wrote: I didn't even realize that was there, mine's still set to false. The answer from Justin appears to resolve that: it could well still be the driver. Well |force_enable| will always be false unless you explicitly turn it to true. Its only used to override our WebGL blacklist, basically. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are security(sic/sick) updates _EVER_ needed? ?? ???
Lee wrote:
On 9/15/11, Paul p...@main.com wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
Provocative enough subject line?
Actually I'm *serious* !
I personally suspect that all these security features are trying to
protect users from there own culpable acts.
I take responsibility for my own well being by:
1. *DISABLING* {user.js *IS* your friend}
JavaScript
Cookies
2. *NOT* using an always live connection
3. a local *always LIVE* firewall set to _paranoid_
4. my ISP provides some firewall and anti-virus email protection
and other measures
IMO, most people are not computer literate and don't know
how the internet works. My friends are always getting nasty
virus stuff because they click on everything they see.
Several of them have accidentally shared their family's
financial data and bank accounts with China.
I have been working with computers since 1977 and online
since 1987 and have never gotten any sort of virus.
I don't have an active scanner and don't get spam.
All my accounts are fake and behind multiple natted hardware
and software firewalls. Ports are locked. I use SM 1119
and have no need for the latest and greatest bloatware.
Do you at least do your web browsing under a user account and only use
the root/administrator account for doing admin tasks? NAT and/or
firewalls aren't going to protect you if you come across a malicious
web site.
Regards,
Lee
Thanks Lee, I forgot to mention that.
No really good reason to use admin settings unless
doing admin stuff.
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Re: maildir support in a future release, instead of mbox only?
Alex Baer wrote: Rich Gray wrote: Alex Baer wrote: Re-creation of index files was unfortunately not done instantly in earlier versions. For large mbox files it takes ages. The whole concept slows down actions, such as copying 500 messages from one folder to another one significantly. It takes so long, at times, that I guess, the index is recreated for every single message. May I expect that Seamonkey has become a bit smarter here in recent incarnations? Indexing and copying operations will be slower with mdir. For mbox, only a single file per folder must be indexed. With mdir, each message is a file, so in your 500 message folder example, there would be 500 file opens and closes. That's a heck of a lot more overhead. Same for the copy. 1000 opens and closes. Mbox should be much faster for such things. In my mind, the advantage for mdir is with incremental backups, like Apple Time Machine and search mechanisms like Spotlight. Receiving a new message means that only that new file need be backed up, instead of the whole folder's worth of data. Presenting messages to Spotlight is hard in the many messages/file mbox format. Is there really an index for maildir needed? I would think you'd need it more, if dealing with large numbers of messages. Instead of accessing a single file (the index or mbox), you'd be accessing one file per line in the header display. Could get to be a pig for sorts and searches. I assume, maildir would work quite well without an index, because each message is a file, and every file has an index in the file system. The only information one can depend on to be portable would be file things like name, size, creation timestamps, etc. Even if you can stuff all that header information into file system extended attributes, I would guess it will still be significantly slower than opening a single file and blasting through a single chunk of data at CPU speed. Without an index, maildir would seem to require a filesystem access per message. In fact, I don't see index files in maildir filesystem folders. I don't know how other apps organize their data. Also, I would assume, that reading and processing multiple message files can be done in parallel on modern systems, while mbox probably only allows sequential processing. They will still collide at the filesystem/disk. Not sure, if mail clients supporting maildir really read and process multiple messages in parallel, though, frankly. Regardless, if my assumptions above are correct, my experience is, that KMail is quite a bit faster working on folders with many thousands of messages than Seamonkey Mail. But I have to add, that operations where this speed difference becomes evident, are rarely used, such as copying large bunches of mails between mail folders. So it's noticeably, but not something that would prevent anyone from using Seamonkey Mail. For reasonably sized mailboxes, I'm not sure it would be terribly noticeable either way. -- Rich(Pull thorn from address to e-mail me.) SeaMonkey - Surfing the net has never been so suite! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
