Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Hartmut Figge 
Pat Connors:

>what is 'top-posting'?  Not all of us are experts 
>and using this list to get some help.
>> I do not like top-posting.

---
Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> Top-posting.
>>> What is the most annoying thing on usenet?
---

I have found this in a signature many years ago, translated it to German
and used it some years as my own signature. :)

XPost & Followup-To mozilla.general because of OT

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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread NoOp 
On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html
> 
> Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?
> 

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886

FYI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language


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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread NoOp 
On 01/21/2012 02:58 PM, WLS wrote:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html
>>
>> Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?
...
> Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
> Epiphany or Konquerer. 

Or Chromium, Opera, & Firefox (all the way up to 12.0a1) as well.

> It was designed for IE only.
...

"do not look the image file, image yapa! is the HTML / VML which defines
taken Wikimedia Commons - Author: Pwostyn"

as MCBastos so kindly pointed out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language
"Vector Markup Language (VML) is a deprecated XML language used to
produce vector graphics.
...
While Microsoft continues to document VML,[6] development of the format
ceased in 1998.[7] VML is implemented in Internet Explorer 5.0 and
higher and in Microsoft Office 2000 and higher. VML is still available
in Internet Explorer 9 but Microsoft expects web sites to transition to
SVG in the future."


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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread MCBastos 
Interviewed by CNN on 21/01/2012 21:31, Ray_Net told the world:

> That's not a reason Problably because other browsers cannot render
> as well ..
> 
> In the mean time i have found:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language
> Where i can read that VML must be replaced by SVG
> And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg  say:
> All major modern web browsers 
> have at least some degree of support and render SVG markup
>  directly, including
> Mozilla Firefox , Internet
> Explorer 9 , Google
> Chrome , Opera
>  and Safari
> .
> 
> So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG ?

That page is in VML. It says so right on the .

VML is a Microsoft-designed language which is supported only by IE. It
has been deprecated, so other browsers won't implement it.

VML is NOT SVG. As you can see in the Wikipedia entry you have linked,
they aren't compatible.

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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?

2012-01-21 Thread Glen 

Jim Van Abbema wrote:



Jim Van Abbema wrote:

Is it possible to configure SeaMonkey mail to launch Firefox instead
of the SeaMonkey browser for links in e-mail messages?


Yes it is. I switched from Thunderbird 2.0.x to SeaMonkey a few years
ago, yet wanted to retain Firefox as my primary browser.

That is obtained via a SeaMonkey extension named Launchy.

http://gemal.dk/mozilla/launchy.html

So it will not be the link "browse" or what not, it will be on its own
Launchy menu instead. Works great!

Sincerely,
Michael Lueck
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Thanks Michael,

I installed Launchy in SeaMonkey, but unfortunately, links in SeaMonkey
mail still open the SeaMonkey browser instead of Firefox, which is my
default browser. I am not sure I understand what you mean by a Launchy
menu; is this a toolbar? Where would I find the Launchy menu? Also the
options window for the Launchy extension under "Launchy knows about the
following applications," Mozilla Firefox is listed but not enabled; it
is inactive and provides no means of enabling it. By the way, I
installed Launchy in Firefox as well, and the behavior of the options
window is the same. Please advise.

Jim Van Abbema




Jim,
As long as you have Launchy installed, you'll see the menu item when you 
right click a link in any email. I have it installed and it is working 
just fine since I don't want to default all clicks to open another 
browser other than SM, just some.


However, you will have to create a launchy.xml file and place it in your 
profile directory, and have it there prior to opening SM.


Here is a link to automatically create the file you need.

 http://gemal.dk/mozilla/launchy-xmlfile.html

And if you are only wanting to add Firefox to the menu since, like you 
mentioned, it is not enabled, copy the attached file to


C:\Documents and Settings\
YOUR USER NAME\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\chrome

It's the file I created to add Firefox to the Launchy menu.

I hope it helps.

Glen
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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread PhillipJones 

Philip TAYLOR wrote:
--snip--

Interesting.
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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread PhillipJones 

Rick Merrill wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



Joe32065 wrote:


If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post
unless they
scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in
the thread,
they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the
most recent
response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is
needed, and the
threads can be scanned faster.


Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without
vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message.

Philip Taylor



Some of us routinely clip!-)


Disadvantage to that in a support setting is then last item tried to 
remedy a problem or suggestion is at the bottom.  but then if everything 
is clipped then suggestions before are lost.  So clipping in a Support 
situation is wrong as well.


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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Philip TAYLOR wrote:


Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without
vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message.


That's an argument for pruning, not for top-posting.

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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Philip TAYLOR 



Ray_Net wrote:


So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG


/The/ page, or /a/ page ?
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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Ray_Net 

Ray_Net wrote:

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?




Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
Epiphany or Konquerer. It was designed for IE only.


I think this is a tip it was created with Word and saved as HTML. I 
could be wrong,




That's not a reason Problably because other browsers cannot render 
as well ..


In the mean time i have found: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language

Where i can read that VML must be replaced by SVG
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg  say:
All major modern web browsers 
 have at least some degree 
of support and render SVG markup 
 directly, including 
Mozilla Firefox , 
Internet Explorer 9 
, Google Chrome 
, Opera 
 and Safari 
.


So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG ?
Don't search for it  i have an example working with SM and IE9: Here 
it is:


http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";
   version="1.1"
   width="300"
   height="200">
Exemple simple de figure SVG

Cette figure est constituee d'un rectangle,
d'un segment de droite et d'un cercle.






 Un texte


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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Ray_Net 

WLS wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?




Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
Epiphany or Konquerer. It was designed for IE only.


I think this is a tip it was created with Word and saved as HTML. I 
could be wrong,




That's not a reason Problably because other browsers cannot render 
as well ..


In the mean time i have found: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language

Where i can read that VML must be replaced by SVG
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg  say:
All major modern web browsers  
have at least some degree of support and render SVG markup 
 directly, including 
Mozilla Firefox , Internet 
Explorer 9 , Google 
Chrome , Opera 
 and Safari 
.


So ...now .. Can someone give us an url where the page is using SVG ?
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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?

2012-01-21 Thread Jim Van Abbema 





Jim Van Abbema wrote:
  
  
  Is it possible to
configure SeaMonkey mail to launch Firefox instead of the SeaMonkey
browser for links in e-mail messages?


  
Yes it is. I switched from Thunderbird 2.0.x to SeaMonkey a few years
ago, yet wanted to retain Firefox as my primary browser.
  
  
That is obtained via a SeaMonkey extension named Launchy.
  
  
http://gemal.dk/mozilla/launchy.html
  
  
So it will not be the link "browse" or what not, it will be on its own
Launchy menu instead. Works great!
  
  
Sincerely,
  Michael Lueck
  
Lueck Data Systems
  
  http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/
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Thanks Michael,

I installed Launchy in SeaMonkey, but unfortunately, links in SeaMonkey
mail still open the SeaMonkey browser instead of Firefox, which is my
default browser.  I am not sure I understand what you mean by a Launchy
menu; is this a toolbar?  Where would I find the Launchy menu?  Also
the options window for the Launchy extension under "Launchy knows about
the following applications," Mozilla Firefox is listed but not enabled;
it is inactive and provides no means of enabling it.  By the way, I
installed Launchy in Firefox as well, and the behavior of the options
window is the same.  Please advise.

Jim Van Abbema




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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread WLS 

Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?




Probably for the same reason it doesn't display in Firefox, Chrome, 
Epiphany or Konquerer. It was designed for IE only.


I think this is a tip it was created with Word and saved as HTML. I 
could be wrong,




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Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-21 Thread Ray_Net 

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?

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Mail Errors

2012-01-21 Thread Howard Epstein 
I basically down graded to  Seamonkey 1.1.18 from Seamonkey 2.6 because 
of two many mail errors. I would glick on an e-mail and it would either 
be another e-mail message or it did not make any sense. I actually tried 
to use Thunderbird but could not move my e-mails as I had no idea where 
they are stored in 2.6, at least I know where they are stored in 1.1.18.


Howard
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Re: Seamonkey 2.6.1 : Bug in Error Console

2012-01-21 Thread Justin Wood (Callek) 
Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> A source file includes the line :
> 
> 
> 
> The error console reports :
> 
>> Warning: Expected ';' to terminate declaration but found '%1$S'. 
>> Declaration dropped.
>> Source File:
>> http://porphyrogenitus.org/Etheridge/Multifolio/Index-11.html
>> Line: 0
> 
> A more correct report would read along the lines of :
> 
>> Warning: Expected ';' to terminate declaration but found "'". 
>> Declaration dropped.
>> Source File:
>> http://porphyrogenitus.org/Etheridge/Multifolio/Index-11.html
>> Line: 0
> 
> Philip Taylor

Core bug with CSS parser, file a bug on that.

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Seamonkey 2.6.1 : Bug in Error Console

2012-01-21 Thread Philip TAYLOR 

A source file includes the line :



The error console reports :


Warning: Expected ';' to terminate declaration but found '%1$S'.  Declaration 
dropped.
Source File: http://porphyrogenitus.org/Etheridge/Multifolio/Index-11.html
Line: 0


A more correct report would read along the lines of :


Warning: Expected ';' to terminate declaration but found "'".  Declaration 
dropped.
Source File: http://porphyrogenitus.org/Etheridge/Multifolio/Index-11.html
Line: 0


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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Chris Ilias 

On 12-01-21 12:30 PM, _Joe32065_ spoke thusly:

If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post
unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous
posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just
want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the
top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster.

Chris Ilias wrote:

Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here.
Message content is much more important than message format. So long as
your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't
matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML.

Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all
here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :)


As I said, requests about format take focus away from helping people use 
SeaMonkey. In other words, top-posting vs bottom-posting debates are 
off-topic and don't belong here. They always end up turning into long 
pissing matches, and no-one ever changes their opinion.


So please take this debate somewhere else, thanks.

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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Philip TAYLOR 



Rick Merrill wrote:


Some of us routinely clip!-)


And such replies I routinely read :-)
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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Rick Merrill 

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



Joe32065 wrote:


If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless they
scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the 
thread,
they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most recent
response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the
threads can be scanned faster.


Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without
vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message.

Philip Taylor



Some of us routinely clip!-)
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Re: startup problems

2012-01-21 Thread DonnaGreen25 
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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Walter 

I realize I am in the minority but I agree. See remark at bottom also.



Joe32065 wrote:

If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post
unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous
posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just
want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the
top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster.

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-01-02 11:53 AM, Pat Connors wrote:

what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to
get some help.

I do not like top-posting.


Hi Pat,
I'm a newsgroup moderator here, so I'll explain it. Top-posting is when
you put your reply above the quoted text, rather than below.

Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here.
Message content is much more important than message format. So long as
your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't
matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML.

Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all
here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :)





I realize I am in the minority but I agree. See remark at top also.

W.


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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread PhillipJones 

Exactly, and more logical for a support forum as well.

Joe32065 wrote:

If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post
unless they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous
posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just
want to see the most recent response. By having the most recent at the
top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be scanned faster.

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-01-02 11:53 AM, Pat Connors wrote:

what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to
get some help.

I do not like top-posting.


Hi Pat,
I'm a newsgroup moderator here, so I'll explain it. Top-posting is when
you put your reply above the quoted text, rather than below.

Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here.
Message content is much more important than message format. So long as
your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't
matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML.

Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all
here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :)






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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Philip TAYLOR 



Joe32065 wrote:


If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post unless 
they scroll to the bottom. If they have already read the previous posts in the 
thread, they don't need to read them again. They will just want to see the most 
recent response. By having the most recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, 
and the threads can be scanned faster.


Indeed; if the start of the reply cannot be seen without
vertical scrolling, then I routinely ignore the message.

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Re: top-posting

2012-01-21 Thread Joe32065 
If you bottom post and the screen is full, no one will see your post 
unless they scroll to the bottom.  If they have already read the 
previous posts in the thread, they don't need to read them again.  They 
will just want to see the most recent response.  By having the most 
recent at the top, no scrolling is needed, and the threads can be 
scanned faster.


Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-01-02 11:53 AM, Pat Connors wrote:

what is 'top-posting'? Not all of us are experts and using this list to
get some help.

I do not like top-posting.


Hi Pat,
I'm a newsgroup moderator here, so I'll explain it. Top-posting is when
you put your reply above the quoted text, rather than below.

Rest assured, top-posting vs bottom-posting is *not policed* in here.
Message content is much more important than message format. So long as
your messages are polite, respectful, helpful, and on topic, it doesn't
matter if it is top-posted, if nothing is trimmed, or if it's in HTML.

Requests about format just take focus away from the reason why we're all
here: to help each other use SeaMonkey. :)



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Anyone else see SeaMonkey mail folders loose their children folders?

2012-01-21 Thread Michael Lueck 

Greetings,

Right along since switching to SM from TB 2.0.x, I have been reporting that POP account 
mail folders "loose their children" randomly. I think I found a bug documenting 
others seeing the same thing here:

"[Bug 593519] Unable to expand a folder's subfolders without opening the folder 
first in a new email window"
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593519

Am I the only one that has this happening? Or does it not bother others?

I would like to get it resolved. I am holding up migrating other users from TB 
2.0.x pending a resolution to this one bug.

Currently I am running the official Linux x64 builds. It was happening right 
along with the official Linux x86 builds as well.

How could I help get some action on this bug? Thanks!

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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?

2012-01-21 Thread Michael Lueck 

Jim Van Abbema wrote:

Is it possible to configure SeaMonkey mail to launch Firefox instead of the 
SeaMonkey browser for links in e-mail messages?


Yes it is. I switched from Thunderbird 2.0.x to SeaMonkey a few years ago, yet 
wanted to retain Firefox as my primary browser.

That is obtained via a SeaMonkey extension named Launchy.

http://gemal.dk/mozilla/launchy.html

So it will not be the link "browse" or what not, it will be on its own Launchy 
menu instead. Works great!

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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?

2012-01-21 Thread Ray_Net 

Jim Van Abbema wrote:

Hello,

Is it possible to configure SeaMonkey mail to launch Firefox instead 
of the SeaMonkey browser for links in e-mail messages?


Thanks,

Jim Van Abbema

De-install SeaMonkey and install Firefox and Thunderbird ... :-)
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Re: Testing for a potential mail filter bug

2012-01-21 Thread Hartmut Figge 
Justin Wood (Callek):
>Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> Smells like a bug, still. Of course i had make a backup before poking
>> around, but to gain more knowledge about what happened i had to dig in
>> the depths of mork. Very unlikely that i will do this. ;)
>
>Yea, I am pretty sure it is a bug, I haven't hit it, but I do know
>others have (Like Robert Kaiser himself).

It should be possible to create a minimal profile from my backup which
shows reproducibly the wrong match when applying the filter 'wine-devel'
to the mail from 'filter-test'. Then upload a .tar.bz2 of this profile
together with filter.png and filter-test to Bugzilla.

Could be a real help to determine what's wrong because of the
reproducibility. The downside of this is, this minimal profile has to be
created first. ;)

Funyy v ernyyl fraq guvf ercyl? Fbhaqf qnatrebhf gb zl ynmvarff.

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Re: Testing for a potential mail filter bug

2012-01-21 Thread Justin Wood (Callek) 
Hartmut Figge wrote:
> Hartmut Figge:
> 
>> Now i have to investigate what happens.
> 
> Found it. Sort of, at least. I have deleted all .msf in the top level of
> the mail account and the wrong match of the filter was gone.
> 
> Smells like a bug, still. Of course i had make a backup before poking
> around, but to gain more knowledge about what happened i had to dig in
> the depths of mork. Very unlikely that i will do this. ;)
> 
> Hartmut

Yea, I am pretty sure it is a bug, I haven't hit it, but I do know
others have (Like Robert Kaiser himself).

Though I usually run my filters on my mail-account side, not SeaMonkey
side, so I have it from my web UI without needing to launch SeaMonkey first.

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~Justin Wood (Callek)
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Re: Testing for a potential mail filter bug

2012-01-21 Thread Hartmut Figge 
Hartmut Figge:

>Now i have to investigate what happens.

Found it. Sort of, at least. I have deleted all .msf in the top level of
the mail account and the wrong match of the filter was gone.

Smells like a bug, still. Of course i had make a backup before poking
around, but to gain more knowledge about what happened i had to dig in
the depths of mork. Very unlikely that i will do this. ;)

Hartmut
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Re: Testing for a potential mail filter bug

2012-01-21 Thread Hartmut Figge 
Hartmut Figge:

>On my machine the mail from Bugzilla. which is in filter-test, will be
>deleted. Reproducible.

That is true even in safe-mode, but not on a fresh profile. I should
have tested this before. Now i have to investigate what happens.


Hartmut
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