Re: Remembering passwords

2012-02-01 Thread AllisonBenita20 
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Sync mods wanted

2012-02-01 Thread Robert Traynor (BobT) 

Hi All,

Sync mods wanted, either one or the other:-

(First preference)
1. A quick and easy way of suspending or temporarily disabling 
SeaMonkey's Sync.


or
2. Disabling the automatic Syncing and make the sync ONLY work when I 
click on the customised icon or option under Tools etc. ie. When I want 
it to work and not automatically..!



At the moment I have to completely disable Sync and when I want to 
reactivate it, I have to reenter the settings again.



Why, you ask? Because I find that SeaMonkey works slightly differently 
compared to FireFox, in that under SeaMonkey the Sync jumps in when I 
first load the browser.


When I do this and SeaMonkey is trying to redraw lots of Tabs that were 
open in the previous session, the Tabs often fail to draw and I get Not 
Found (blah blah).  More often though the Sync itself fails after taking 
quite a long time.


I use FireFox as well and this effect is not noticed with FireFox.
I should note that I am using the very latest SeaMonkey 2.7 beta and
FireFox 10.

This SeaMonkey Sync effect has been happening for me for the past year 
over many versions and also occurs on a fresh profile.


Open to suggestions.

Regards,
Robert Traynor (BobT).
2 February 2012   14:28


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Re: Ctrl-OnMouseUp Drag Copy Message does not work anymore

2012-02-01 Thread MCBastos 
Interviewed by CNN on 02/02/2012 00:45, John Taylor-Johnston told the
world:
> Nope, even with the new version update tonight, it does not work for me.
> I run 4 inboxes (and other foolishness) but nothing copies to anywhere 
> when I press ctrl, click and drag.

If you are a fool, I'm downright stupid...
4 POP inboxes, 5 IMAP accounts, plus a few newsgroups, plus a few DOZENS
RSS/Atom feeds...

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repeat???

2012-02-01 Thread km 

MMy mail went down abt a momth ago [strangly NEWS is ok???]
so i was forced to use t-bird for mail. but i miss SM. is there a way to 
use the t-bird server for mail and leave the news server alone. thus 
incorporating MAIL & NEWS in SM like before. i know it is noy 
recommended but ...


km
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and free ur mind. then you will
realize the truth. … there is no pain.


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Re: Ctrl-OnMouseUp Drag Copy Message does not work anymore

2012-02-01 Thread John Taylor-Johnston 

I'm a top quoter :)p
Nope, even with the new version update tonight, it does not work for me.
I run 4 inboxes (and other foolishness) but nothing copies to anywhere 
when I press ctrl, click and drag.


MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 01/02/2012 22:45, John Taylor-Johnston told the
world:

Seamonkey Mail:

I like organising myself in my mail window. I can no longer press ctrl
and drag a message and copy it into another folder.

The + does not appear. And the message gets moved, not copied.

The only way to copy a message now is by right-clicking and copying it.
That is long and clunky.

I don't like this change.

Who "fixed" this one? :)

John

Works for me. Click to select message. Hold Ctrl down, click and drag.
The "+" does appear, the message is copied.

Seamonkey 2.7, Windows 7 SP1 x64.

Perhaps you were trying to copy a newsgroup message, instead of an
e-mail message?

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Re: Ctrl-OnMouseUp Drag Copy Message does not work anymore

2012-02-01 Thread MCBastos 
Interviewed by CNN on 01/02/2012 22:45, John Taylor-Johnston told the
world:
> Seamonkey Mail:
> 
> I like organising myself in my mail window. I can no longer press ctrl 
> and drag a message and copy it into another folder.
> 
> The + does not appear. And the message gets moved, not copied.
> 
> The only way to copy a message now is by right-clicking and copying it. 
> That is long and clunky.
> 
> I don't like this change.
> 
> Who "fixed" this one? :)
> 
> John

Works for me. Click to select message. Hold Ctrl down, click and drag.
The "+" does appear, the message is copied.

Seamonkey 2.7, Windows 7 SP1 x64.

Perhaps you were trying to copy a newsgroup message, instead of an
e-mail message?
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Re: SM Checking servers in background?

2012-02-01 Thread Rufus 

PhillipJones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 01/30/2012 05:51 PM, Rufus wrote:






well, as I predicted it just happened with all updating shut off in
my 2.6.1 install. I'll let it happen a few more times, then I'll write a
formal bug. I can't think of anything overt that could be going on to
cause the call for my Master.



Rufus, I note that you are using a MacCould it be that it's phoning
home to check for system updates??? Do Mac's do this like Windows???


Yes they do but you can in Software Update to check at specified time
interval.
I have mine set for once a week.

But there are other things that will cause polling. For instance Apple
use a Time Server such a www, the old shortwave radio time server tied
to the Nuclear Time clock. Have no idea whether PC use a Time server.
But the software polls the server at least once an hour to sync the
time. And it works with an clock widget or software they take their time
from the system clock.

If you have any type of weather software That polls a server at least
every half hour.

So there are a lot of things That can cause your computer to Phone home
or poll a server.



But none of that should cause SM to ask for my Master Password - that is 
all System level stuff that happens outside of SM, *and* any required 
passwords are retrieved from the Apple KeyChain...which there aren't 
any, as long as I'm on my home LAN and not needing to use SSL or 
authenticate any access.  Which I am...


And as I've said - this didn't happen once upon a time, then it got broken.

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Ctrl-OnMouseUp Drag Copy Message does not work anymore

2012-02-01 Thread John Taylor-Johnston 

Seamonkey Mail:

I like organising myself in my mail window. I can no longer press ctrl 
and drag a message and copy it into another folder.


The + does not appear. And the message gets moved, not copied.

The only way to copy a message now is by right-clicking and copying it. 
That is long and clunky.


I don't like this change.

Who "fixed" this one? :)

John
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Re: 2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread David E. Ross 
On 2/1/12 2:00 PM, Larry S. wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/1/12 1:23 PM, Larry S. wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 On 2/1/12 10:18 AM, Larry S. wrote:
> Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until
> I tried to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't
> find SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there.
> O.K., I'll d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.
>
> Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".
>
> Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions
> . . ." appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons
> and all. No trace.
>
> Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All
> well, except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank,
> nothing worked, and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.
>
> Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u
> copy, and all seems well.
>
> Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience.
> Finally got it installed and working, and eventually recovered some
> "lost" old family e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in
> this news group.
>
> Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!

 I bought a 2 GB flash drive (memory stick).  I archive all software that
 I install.  Thus, if I encountered your problem with 2.7, I would
 already have 2.6.1 handy.

 I do delete some old versions when I archive new ones.  For example, I
 have only the three latest SeaMonkey versions -- 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 --
 plus the partial MAR file to get 2.6.1 from 2.6.  When I install 2.7, I
 will delete 2.4.

 I do not archive software that I acquire on other hard media (e.g.,
 CDs).  Also, I cannot archive software unless it is possible to download
 the installer file and install from my own hard drive.  When possible, I
 bypass stub installers and instead get the complete installer (e.g., for
 Flash).

 My flash drive is only 75% full, including all the fonts that I have
 obtained over a number of years.

>>> Good suggestion! Since I'm on 2.6.1 right now, what would I archive?
>>> (I've got 90GB available on external hard drive.) SM.exe (43MB)? What
>>> else? The entire SM folder in Program Files (51 MB)? How/where do I get
>>> the installer? Is it unique to a particular SM version? Do I archive it
>>> as well, or can I always get it online?
>>>
>>> And, the really big question I still have--how the heck can I upgrade to
>>> 2.7 without another disaster? (Perhaps foolishly, still want to do it.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for being here with good advice!
>>
>> I only archive installer files and fonts, not the executable result of
>> running an installer file.
>>
>> I have software that is no longer available for downloading but still
>> can be run from Windows XP (sometimes with a registry tweak).  I still
>> use much of this old software because it does what I want.  It will NOT
>> run, however, with Windows 7 except in Windows XP mode.  (Why should I
>> buy Windows 7 if I plan to run only in Windows XP mode when I already
>> have Windows XP?)  :(
>>
>> I would suggest that you start now with any new installers you download.
>>   If you have the time an patience, you can also go back and download
>> again those installers you have already used.
>>
> When you say "installer file", is that the same as the "SeaMonkey Setup 
> 2.6.1. exe" that I get when I d/l the program from the Mozilla site?
> 
> I'm another one of those sticking to XP as long as I can.

Yes, the "installer file" for SeaMonkey for me was [SeaMonkey Setup
2.7.exe].

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Re: Minimize-to-Tray

2012-02-01 Thread LaraHERRERA27 
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Re: 2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread hawker 

On 2/1/2012 4:42 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/1/12 1:23 PM, Larry S. wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/1/12 10:18 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until
I tried to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't
find SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there.
O.K., I'll d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.

Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".

Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions
. . ." appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons
and all. No trace.

Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All
well, except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank,
nothing worked, and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.

Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u
copy, and all seems well.

Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience.
Finally got it installed and working, and eventually recovered some
"lost" old family e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in
this news group.

Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!


I bought a 2 GB flash drive (memory stick).  I archive all software that
I install.  Thus, if I encountered your problem with 2.7, I would
already have 2.6.1 handy.

I do delete some old versions when I archive new ones.  For example, I
have only the three latest SeaMonkey versions -- 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 --
plus the partial MAR file to get 2.6.1 from 2.6.  When I install 2.7, I
will delete 2.4.

I do not archive software that I acquire on other hard media (e.g.,
CDs).  Also, I cannot archive software unless it is possible to download
the installer file and install from my own hard drive.  When possible, I
bypass stub installers and instead get the complete installer (e.g., for
Flash).

My flash drive is only 75% full, including all the fonts that I have
obtained over a number of years.


Good suggestion! Since I'm on 2.6.1 right now, what would I archive?
(I've got 90GB available on external hard drive.) SM.exe (43MB)? What
else? The entire SM folder in Program Files (51 MB)? How/where do I get
the installer? Is it unique to a particular SM version? Do I archive it
as well, or can I always get it online?

And, the really big question I still have--how the heck can I upgrade to
2.7 without another disaster? (Perhaps foolishly, still want to do it.)

Thanks for being here with good advice!


I only archive installer files and fonts, not the executable result of
running an installer file.

I have software that is no longer available for downloading but still
can be run from Windows XP (sometimes with a registry tweak).  I still
use much of this old software because it does what I want.  It will NOT
run, however, with Windows 7 except in Windows XP mode.  (Why should I
buy Windows 7 if I plan to run only in Windows XP mode when I already
have Windows XP?)  :(

I would suggest that you start now with any new installers you download.
  If you have the time an patience, you can also go back and download
again those installers you have already used.



I've had great luck with Moz-Backup
http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/

Before updating I make an archive of everything with Moz backup then 
upgrade. If something goes wrong (loose book marks etc) then I just use 
MozBackup to re-import the old profile into the new version.
If I had to go backwards would work here as well.  Also works great to 
move between Seamonkey/Netscape/Firefox/Thunderbird when I have had to 
do that.


Hawker


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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Philip TAYLOR 

Wherever it may be, Ray, it has not yet been officially
rolled out, otherwise my Seamonkey would have informed
me that an update was available.

None of which has anything to do with the substantive
question, which I repeat below :


Does Seamonkey not make any use of DNS cacheing ?  I am staggered
at the number of occasions when a re-visit to a page at which
I was only a few second before results in the status text

"Looking up www.thehappypiper.yolasite.com"

or whatever.


Philip Taylor

Ray_Net wrote:


the update notification is on my home page 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/

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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Ray_Net 

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



WLS wrote:


Have you checked here, http://www.seamonkey-project.org/, or waiting for
the update?


The latter : I always wait for the official update notification.
Philip Taylor
the update notification is on my home page 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/

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Re: 2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread Larry S. 

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/1/12 1:23 PM, Larry S. wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/1/12 10:18 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until
I tried to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't
find SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there.
O.K., I'll d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.

Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".

Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions
. . ." appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons
and all. No trace.

Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All
well, except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank,
nothing worked, and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.

Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u
copy, and all seems well.

Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience.
Finally got it installed and working, and eventually recovered some
"lost" old family e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in
this news group.

Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!


I bought a 2 GB flash drive (memory stick).  I archive all software that
I install.  Thus, if I encountered your problem with 2.7, I would
already have 2.6.1 handy.

I do delete some old versions when I archive new ones.  For example, I
have only the three latest SeaMonkey versions -- 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 --
plus the partial MAR file to get 2.6.1 from 2.6.  When I install 2.7, I
will delete 2.4.

I do not archive software that I acquire on other hard media (e.g.,
CDs).  Also, I cannot archive software unless it is possible to download
the installer file and install from my own hard drive.  When possible, I
bypass stub installers and instead get the complete installer (e.g., for
Flash).

My flash drive is only 75% full, including all the fonts that I have
obtained over a number of years.


Good suggestion! Since I'm on 2.6.1 right now, what would I archive?
(I've got 90GB available on external hard drive.) SM.exe (43MB)? What
else? The entire SM folder in Program Files (51 MB)? How/where do I get
the installer? Is it unique to a particular SM version? Do I archive it
as well, or can I always get it online?

And, the really big question I still have--how the heck can I upgrade to
2.7 without another disaster? (Perhaps foolishly, still want to do it.)

Thanks for being here with good advice!


I only archive installer files and fonts, not the executable result of
running an installer file.

I have software that is no longer available for downloading but still
can be run from Windows XP (sometimes with a registry tweak).  I still
use much of this old software because it does what I want.  It will NOT
run, however, with Windows 7 except in Windows XP mode.  (Why should I
buy Windows 7 if I plan to run only in Windows XP mode when I already
have Windows XP?)  :(

I would suggest that you start now with any new installers you download.
  If you have the time an patience, you can also go back and download
again those installers you have already used.

When you say "installer file", is that the same as the "SeaMonkey Setup 
2.6.1. exe" that I get when I d/l the program from the Mozilla site?


I'm another one of those sticking to XP as long as I can.
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Re: 2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread David E. Ross 
On 2/1/12 1:23 PM, Larry S. wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/1/12 10:18 AM, Larry S. wrote:
>>> Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until
>>> I tried to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't
>>> find SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there.
>>> O.K., I'll d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.
>>>
>>> Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".
>>>
>>> Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions
>>> . . ." appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons
>>> and all. No trace.
>>>
>>> Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All
>>> well, except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank,
>>> nothing worked, and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.
>>>
>>> Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u
>>> copy, and all seems well.
>>>
>>> Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience.
>>> Finally got it installed and working, and eventually recovered some
>>> "lost" old family e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in
>>> this news group.
>>>
>>> Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!
>>
>> I bought a 2 GB flash drive (memory stick).  I archive all software that
>> I install.  Thus, if I encountered your problem with 2.7, I would
>> already have 2.6.1 handy.
>>
>> I do delete some old versions when I archive new ones.  For example, I
>> have only the three latest SeaMonkey versions -- 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 --
>> plus the partial MAR file to get 2.6.1 from 2.6.  When I install 2.7, I
>> will delete 2.4.
>>
>> I do not archive software that I acquire on other hard media (e.g.,
>> CDs).  Also, I cannot archive software unless it is possible to download
>> the installer file and install from my own hard drive.  When possible, I
>> bypass stub installers and instead get the complete installer (e.g., for
>> Flash).
>>
>> My flash drive is only 75% full, including all the fonts that I have
>> obtained over a number of years.
>>
> Good suggestion! Since I'm on 2.6.1 right now, what would I archive? 
> (I've got 90GB available on external hard drive.) SM.exe (43MB)? What 
> else? The entire SM folder in Program Files (51 MB)? How/where do I get 
> the installer? Is it unique to a particular SM version? Do I archive it 
> as well, or can I always get it online?
> 
> And, the really big question I still have--how the heck can I upgrade to 
> 2.7 without another disaster? (Perhaps foolishly, still want to do it.)
> 
> Thanks for being here with good advice!

I only archive installer files and fonts, not the executable result of
running an installer file.

I have software that is no longer available for downloading but still
can be run from Windows XP (sometimes with a registry tweak).  I still
use much of this old software because it does what I want.  It will NOT
run, however, with Windows 7 except in Windows XP mode.  (Why should I
buy Windows 7 if I plan to run only in Windows XP mode when I already
have Windows XP?)  :(

I would suggest that you start now with any new installers you download.
 If you have the time an patience, you can also go back and download
again those installers you have already used.

-- 

David E. Ross
.

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bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation.
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Re: 2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread Larry S. 

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/1/12 10:18 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until
I tried to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't
find SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there.
O.K., I'll d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.

Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".

Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions
. . ." appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons
and all. No trace.

Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All
well, except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank,
nothing worked, and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.

Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u
copy, and all seems well.

Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience.
Finally got it installed and working, and eventually recovered some
"lost" old family e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in
this news group.

Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!


I bought a 2 GB flash drive (memory stick).  I archive all software that
I install.  Thus, if I encountered your problem with 2.7, I would
already have 2.6.1 handy.

I do delete some old versions when I archive new ones.  For example, I
have only the three latest SeaMonkey versions -- 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 --
plus the partial MAR file to get 2.6.1 from 2.6.  When I install 2.7, I
will delete 2.4.

I do not archive software that I acquire on other hard media (e.g.,
CDs).  Also, I cannot archive software unless it is possible to download
the installer file and install from my own hard drive.  When possible, I
bypass stub installers and instead get the complete installer (e.g., for
Flash).

My flash drive is only 75% full, including all the fonts that I have
obtained over a number of years.

Good suggestion! Since I'm on 2.6.1 right now, what would I archive? 
(I've got 90GB available on external hard drive.) SM.exe (43MB)? What 
else? The entire SM folder in Program Files (51 MB)? How/where do I get 
the installer? Is it unique to a particular SM version? Do I archive it 
as well, or can I always get it online?


And, the really big question I still have--how the heck can I upgrade to 
2.7 without another disaster? (Perhaps foolishly, still want to do it.)


Thanks for being here with good advice!
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Re: SM Checking servers in background?

2012-02-01 Thread PhillipJones 

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 01/30/2012 05:51 PM, Rufus wrote:






well, as I predicted it just happened with all updating shut off in
my 2.6.1 install. I'll let it happen a few more times, then I'll write a
formal bug. I can't think of anything overt that could be going on to
cause the call for my Master.



Rufus, I note that you are using a MacCould it be that it's phoning
home to check for system updates??? Do Mac's do this like Windows???

Yes they do but you can in Software Update to check at specified time 
interval.

I have mine set fot once a week.

But there are other things that will cause polling. For instance Apple 
use a Time Server such a www, the old shortwave radio time server tied 
to the Nuclear Time clock.  Have no idea whether PC use a Time server. 
But the software polls the server at least once an hour to sync the 
time.  And it works with an clock widget or software they take their 
time from the system clock.


If you have any type of weather software That polls a server at least 
every half hour.


So there are a lot of things That can cause your computer to Phone home 
or poll a server.


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Re: SM Checking servers in background?

2012-02-01 Thread Rufus 

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 01/30/2012 05:51 PM, Rufus wrote:






well, as I predicted it just happened with all updating shut off in
my 2.6.1 install. I'll let it happen a few more times, then I'll write a
formal bug. I can't think of anything overt that could be going on to
cause the call for my Master.



Rufus, I note that you are using a MacCould it be that it's phoning
home to check for system updates??? Do Mac's do this like Windows???



They do, but I have some control over that, and it happens in a System 
Preference independent of SM - I set to check for Apple Software Update 
manually and those requests for passwords are handled via Apple 
Keychain, not SM.


This is a SM problem - it happens every session (just happened now, 
under 2.0.14 on this machine).  SM worked as advertised up until about 
SM 1.1.12 or 1.1.16 or somewhere thereabouts.  Then it broke and has 
stayed broken.  I'll write a formal bug later today probably, after I 
install and observe SM 2.7 on my MacBook Pro and Mini tonight.


The worst thing about it is that when it happens with a download in 
progress SM freezes and I have to Force Quit and I lose the whole 
session - including the download.  I'll also add that I have a second 
Profile that does not have a Master Password set (because I don't use 
Mail/News in that Profile) and this does not happen with that Profile.


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Re: 2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread David E. Ross 
On 2/1/12 10:18 AM, Larry S. wrote:
> Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until 
> I tried to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't 
> find SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there. 
> O.K., I'll d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.
> 
> Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".
> 
> Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions 
> . . ." appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons 
> and all. No trace.
> 
> Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All 
> well, except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank, 
> nothing worked, and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.
> 
> Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u 
> copy, and all seems well.
> 
> Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience. 
> Finally got it installed and working, and eventually recovered some 
> "lost" old family e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in 
> this news group.
> 
> Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!

I bought a 2 GB flash drive (memory stick).  I archive all software that
I install.  Thus, if I encountered your problem with 2.7, I would
already have 2.6.1 handy.

I do delete some old versions when I archive new ones.  For example, I
have only the three latest SeaMonkey versions -- 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 --
plus the partial MAR file to get 2.6.1 from 2.6.  When I install 2.7, I
will delete 2.4.

I do not archive software that I acquire on other hard media (e.g.,
CDs).  Also, I cannot archive software unless it is possible to download
the installer file and install from my own hard drive.  When possible, I
bypass stub installers and instead get the complete installer (e.g., for
Flash).

My flash drive is only 75% full, including all the fonts that I have
obtained over a number of years.

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Re: 2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread W3BNR 
On 2/1/2012 1:18 PM Larry S. submitted the following:
> Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until I 
> tried
> to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't find
> SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there. O.K., I'll
> d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.
> 
> Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".
> 
> Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions . . ."
> appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons and all. No 
> trace.
> 
> Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All well,
> except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank, nothing worked,
> and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.
> 
> Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u copy, and
> all seems well.
> 
> Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience. Finally got
> it installed and working, and eventually recovered some "lost" old family
> e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in this news group.
> 
> Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!

No problem updating here with Windows XP SP3

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Re: mail trouble ...

2012-02-01 Thread hawker 
If you have permanently moved to Gmail and just need people who don't 
know your e-mail switched over to forward then I would go to Comcast 
control panel and set mail forwarding from there, not in SM.



On 1/31/2012 9:10 PM, km wrote:

... i used to use a comcast mail server. it broke so i switched to a
Gmail accnt. I want to be sure i am getting all my old mail. people know
me on comcast. i want to set a forward from my SM mail to my Gmail. how???

km



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2.7 Download/Install Disaster

2012-02-01 Thread Larry S. 
Downloaded 2.7 from the "Check For Updates" link. All seemed well, until 
I tried to start SM after "Installation Completed". Got message "Can't 
find SeaMonkey.exe". Searched all over, and guess what, it wasn't there. 
O.K., I'll d/l using IE (ughh!), which is all I've got at this point.


Same result, except that the message was "Can't read application.ini".

Third try, and this time all seemed well until the "Checking Extensions 
. . ." appeared, at which point the entire thing disappeared, SM icons 
and all. No trace.


Surrendering, I d/l 2.6.1 (in spite of the red and yellow warning). All 
well, except that the opening page (SM welcome thing) came up blank, 
nothing worked, and using Task Manager wouldn't close SM.


Computer off, restart, SM starts o.k., replaced profile with the b/u 
copy, and all seems well.


Better than updating to 2.6.1, which was an even worse experience. 
Finally got it installed and working, and eventually recovered some 
"lost" old family e-mails, thanks to great help by Paul B. Gallagher in 
this news group.


Recent SM updating process not a confidence builder!
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.7

2012-02-01 Thread Jens Hatlak 

David E. Ross wrote:

The SeaMonkey home page at  says that
SeaMonkey 2.7 is now available.  However, the Mozilla FTP server at
releases.mozilla.org only has 2.6.1.


Indeed, confirmed. Justin, is this known (bug filed)?

Greetings,

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.7

2012-02-01 Thread NoOp 
On 02/01/2012 07:48 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> The SeaMonkey home page at  says that
> SeaMonkey 2.7 is now available.  However, the Mozilla FTP server at
> releases.mozilla.org only has 2.6.1.
> 
And... the 64bit linux link on the
 page:

gives:
"Not Found

The requested URL
/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.7/contrib/seamonkey-2.7.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
was not found on this server."

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SeaMonkey 2.7

2012-02-01 Thread David E. Ross 
The SeaMonkey home page at  says that
SeaMonkey 2.7 is now available.  However, the Mozilla FTP server at
releases.mozilla.org only has 2.6.1.

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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Philip TAYLOR 



WLS wrote:


Have you checked here, http://www.seamonkey-project.org/, or waiting for
the update?


The latter : I always wait for the official update notification.
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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread WLS 
On 02/01/2012 10:04 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> 
> 
> WLS wrote:
>> On 02/01/2012 09:27 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>>> DNS (Domain Name Service) cacheing, Daniel, not data cacheing.
>>> Philip Taylor
>>
>> Try upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.7, and see if it caches DNS. SeaMonkey
>> 2.1.6 is way outdated.
> 
> 2.1.6 never existed, as far as I know; it was a typo
> for 2.6.1, and 2.7 is not (yet) offered.
> 
> Philip Taylor


Have you checked here, http://www.seamonkey-project.org/, or waiting for
the update?


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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Philip TAYLOR 



WLS wrote:

On 02/01/2012 09:27 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:

DNS (Domain Name Service) cacheing, Daniel, not data cacheing.
Philip Taylor


Try upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.7, and see if it caches DNS. SeaMonkey
2.1.6 is way outdated.


2.1.6 never existed, as far as I know; it was a typo
for 2.6.1, and 2.7 is not (yet) offered.

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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread WLS 
On 02/01/2012 09:27 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> DNS (Domain Name Service) cacheing, Daniel, not data cacheing.
> Philip Taylor

Try upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.7, and see if it caches DNS. SeaMonkey
2.1.6 is way outdated.

> 
> Daniel wrote:
>> Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>>> Does Seamonkey not make any use of DNS cacheing ? I am staggered
>>> at the number of occasions when a re-visit to a page at which
>>> I was only a few second before results in the status text
>>>
>>> "Looking up www.thehappypiper.yolasite.com"
>>>
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> Philip Taylor
>>
>> Do you want SeaMonkey displaying the current content of the website
>> you are looking at??
>>
>> As I understand things, when you make a request for a web page,
>> SeaMonkey sends off a request for the date/time the web page was
>> created. It then compare this info with the info for the web page it
>> has in cache.
>>
>> If the date/Time info is the same, SeaMonkey then re-displays what is
>> in cache...if the web data is later, SeaMonkey then downloads the
>> latest data.
>>
>> HTH
>>


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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Philip TAYLOR 

DNS (Domain Name Service) cacheing, Daniel, not data cacheing.
Philip Taylor

Daniel wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Does Seamonkey not make any use of DNS cacheing ? I am staggered
at the number of occasions when a re-visit to a page at which
I was only a few second before results in the status text

"Looking up www.thehappypiper.yolasite.com"

or whatever.

Philip Taylor


Do you want SeaMonkey displaying the current content of the website you are 
looking at??

As I understand things, when you make a request for a web page, SeaMonkey sends 
off a request for the date/time the web page was created. It then compare this 
info with the info for the web page it has in cache.

If the date/Time info is the same, SeaMonkey then re-displays what is in 
cache...if the web data is later, SeaMonkey then downloads the latest data.

HTH


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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Daniel wrote:


Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Does Seamonkey not make any use of DNS cacheing ? I am staggered
at the number of occasions when a re-visit to a page at which
I was only a few second before results in the status text

"Looking up www.thehappypiper.yolasite.com"

or whatever.

Philip Taylor


Do you want SeaMonkey displaying the current content of the website you
are looking at??

As I understand things, when you make a request for a web page,
SeaMonkey sends off a request for the date/time the web page was
created. It then compare this info with the info for the web page it has
in cache.

If the date/Time info is the same, SeaMonkey then re-displays what is in
cache...if the web data is later, SeaMonkey then downloads the latest data.


The question wasn't whether SM caches the page, which of course is 
subject to the user's settings, but whether it caches DNS. Should it 
really have to look up the IP address a minute later before retrieving 
the fresh content?


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Re: Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Daniel 

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Does Seamonkey not make any use of DNS cacheing ? I am staggered
at the number of occasions when a re-visit to a page at which
I was only a few second before results in the status text

"Looking up www.thehappypiper.yolasite.com"

or whatever.

Philip Taylor


Do you want SeaMonkey displaying the current content of the website you 
are looking at??


As I understand things, when you make a request for a web page, 
SeaMonkey sends off a request for the date/time the web page was 
created. It then compare this info with the info for the web page it has 
in cache.


If the date/Time info is the same, SeaMonkey then re-displays what is in 
cache...if the web data is later, SeaMonkey then downloads the latest data.


HTH

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Seamonkey (2.1.6, Windows/XP;SP3) and DNS Cacheing

2012-02-01 Thread Philip TAYLOR 

Does Seamonkey not make any use of DNS cacheing ?  I am staggered
at the number of occasions when a re-visit to a page at which
I was only a few second before results in the status text

"Looking up www.thehappypiper.yolasite.com"

or whatever.

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Re: SM Checking servers in background?

2012-02-01 Thread Daniel 

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 01/30/2012 05:51 PM, Rufus wrote:






well, as I predicted it just happened with all updating shut off in
my 2.6.1 install. I'll let it happen a few more times, then I'll write a
formal bug. I can't think of anything overt that could be going on to
cause the call for my Master.



Rufus, I note that you are using a MacCould it be that it's phoning 
home to check for system updates??? Do Mac's do this like Windows???


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Re: mail trouble ...

2012-02-01 Thread Ray_Net 

km wrote:
... i used to use a comcast mail server. it broke so i switched to a 
Gmail accnt. I want to be sure i am getting all my old mail. people know
me on comcast. i want to set a forward from my SM mail to my Gmail. 
how???


You want to forward Comcast mail to Gmail ?  It Comcast mail is broken - 
how can he forward something ?

Perhaps you try to told us that:
Comcast mail is working OK
Gmail is working OK
Your access of Comcast mail from SM is broken.
So - Two possibility:
1. You repair your access of Comcast mail from SM
or
2. You add at Comcast mail a redirection to your Gmail.


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