Re: x64

2012-02-13 Thread Philip Chee 
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:33:02 -0200, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 13/02/2012 16:56, Philip TAYLOR told the world:
> 
>> I would add the Adobe PDF reader plug-in to this list; I believe
>> that it is as just as mainstream as Flash & Java, and almost
>> certainly more mainstream than Silverlight.  I have no idea
>> whether Adobe yet off a 64-bit version of the plug-in.
> 
> Well... PDF is a bit more tractable problem, since there are several
> vendors -- if Adobe won't release a 64-bit plugin, Foxit might, for
> instance. Or Tracker (makers of PDF Xchange Viewer). Or even somebody
> will take the GPL'd Sumatra and turn it into a plugin. And there's
> always the pdf.js project, which should work right off the bat (although
> the current version still lacks many features of current PDF viewers).
> 
> And anyway, (temporarily) losing the capability to see PDFs inside the
> browser would not be as big a problem. Java, Flash and Silverlight are
> used to "enhance" web pages, that is, they interact with other content,
> so some sites break horribly without those plugins. Not having embedded
> PDF just means you open the document in a separate window.
> 
> In fact, I don't even see the point of having a PDF plug-in. Opening the
> PDF in the browser is a bad user experience, in my opinion. I have
> disabled mine and never missed it -- opening a locally-cached copy of
> the file in a separate viewer window is MUCH better.

The current plan is to ship native support for PDF with Firefox some
time this year using pdf.js as the basis (a PDF reader written entirely
in Javascript).

Phil

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my apology to calek dude ...

2012-02-13 Thread km 

... i am quite annoy. i might even be ANGRY!!!

*** we start off by blaning him for something he has no control over.

SeaMonkey has been down the last 2 days!!! AND i
am blaming  you!

... i think you better heed this warning and take
an early retirement before the big wigs find out and
decide it would be best to fire you.

*** blind threat with no weight.


km


ps;
the above is friendly advice [big fuckin' whoop!]

day 3:

... look, calek dude, i'm getting kinda pissed here, ok?
sees this is my life. ya sure, it's not much of a life but
it *is* a life! *** telling yoi'm a luser as defense8 you are killing 
this  life!! murder is

illegal [i think?] i'll see you in court!!! *** blind threat

?Wednesday, ?February ?08, ?2012 5:28:05 PM

... i becum slowly pissed as i contemplate my revenge against the calek 
dude. all i know is the dude must bw stopped.


. it may not do i've decided to take up a petion. it may not do any good 
but these are desperate times. THE MAN MUST BE TOPPED!!!


We, the undersigned call for the dismissal of Calek dude for many reason 
 which are left as an exercise for the acute angles:


*** all these are comical [allotta Fagina (austin powers)]
Artie Bonk
Mike Hunt
Dick Hertze
Zelda Rottencrotch
Allota Fagina
Kenny Fakur
Mike Rotchburns

7:12:28 PM

... that's it!!! i'[m pissed! i don't like to do this but i'm gonna 
hafta call a press conference:


:press conference!, press conference!

*** variation of a kids in the hall sketch

... i have called this press conference together today to announce to 
you, my people, that i, Kevin W Mc Auley, am very dissapointed in the 
'calek dude'. i don't feel that i, or the other denizens of this group 
should have to put up with such irresponsible behavior! and to think i 
once respected the man! i feel he should lose his bathroom privileges 
for this one!!!



CONCLUSION:  stoopid rant by a bored user.

nb:
	there was a pronlem wth the updater. it kept saying it was doen when it 
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Re: Seamonkey 2.7.1

2012-02-13 Thread WLS 
On 02/13/2012 08:00 PM, User wrote:
> I went to update from 2.6.1 and the install said Newsfox and my
> Canadian dictionary weren't compatible with the new version.
>
> This seems a bit odd.  Is there a way to get them to work or should I
> just wait a bit for new versions?  Newsfox actually doesn't seem to be
> coming out with a new version as of yet.
>
> Dave

Latest version of NewsFox is 1.0.8.3.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/newsfox/

Canadian English Dictionary 2.0.3 Last updated 2/13/2012

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canadian-english-dictionary/?src=api

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Re: SM 2.7 - Anyone using news servers besides Mozilla server?

2012-02-13 Thread chicagofan 
For everyone tired of reading about this I thought I would report my 
SUCCESS!   ;)


I deleted everything to do with the Mozilla server, cleared my SM cache, 
shut down SM, and started over.  For some reason, this time 
eternal-september.org set up as it should have earlier.


I still don't know why it worked this time and not the first, but I'm 
just happy that it did.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me.  :)
bj
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Re: Why forms manager is removed from Seamonkey?

2012-02-13 Thread nikolam 
WLS wrote:

>> I see there is data manager with forms
>> but with no option on saving form data I explicitly want to save
>> (those that are not passwords).
> What forms manager is removed?
> 
> I have under Browser -> History, a Form and Search History section, in
> it I have "Enable form and search history" checked.
> 
> Then I have "Remember form and search history for up to x days", where x
> is the number of days I want it to be remembered.
> 
> Under Tools in the menu, I have Data Manager, which has a Form Data tab.

Yes, it is true.
But, there is no option to make Seamonkey remember form on the page I
want if it does not recognize is is a form.
Something form manager had before as I remember.

Btw, great sig, WLS :)
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Re: disable background music on websites

2012-02-13 Thread GallegosLou 
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Re: x64

2012-02-13 Thread MCBastos 
Interviewed by CNN on 13/02/2012 16:56, Philip TAYLOR told the world:

> I would add the Adobe PDF reader plug-in to this list; I believe
> that it is as just as mainstream as Flash & Java, and almost
> certainly more mainstream than Silverlight.  I have no idea
> whether Adobe yet off a 64-bit version of the plug-in.

Well... PDF is a bit more tractable problem, since there are several
vendors -- if Adobe won't release a 64-bit plugin, Foxit might, for
instance. Or Tracker (makers of PDF Xchange Viewer). Or even somebody
will take the GPL'd Sumatra and turn it into a plugin. And there's
always the pdf.js project, which should work right off the bat (although
the current version still lacks many features of current PDF viewers).

And anyway, (temporarily) losing the capability to see PDFs inside the
browser would not be as big a problem. Java, Flash and Silverlight are
used to "enhance" web pages, that is, they interact with other content,
so some sites break horribly without those plugins. Not having embedded
PDF just means you open the document in a separate window.

In fact, I don't even see the point of having a PDF plug-in. Opening the
PDF in the browser is a bad user experience, in my opinion. I have
disabled mine and never missed it -- opening a locally-cached copy of
the file in a separate viewer window is MUCH better.

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Re: x64

2012-02-13 Thread Philip TAYLOR 



Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


MCBastos wrote:



Yes, Flash, Java and Silverlight do have x64 plug-ins available. These
three DO cover the lion's share of users needs.


I would add the Adobe PDF reader plug-in to this list; I believe
that it is as just as mainstream as Flash & Java, and almost
certainly more mainstream than Silverlight.  I have no idea
whether Adobe yet off a 64-bit version of the plug-in.

Philip Taylor


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Re: x64

2012-02-13 Thread Justin Wood (Callek) 

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 13/02/2012 13:01, gjikkl told the world:

Yes please make a 64-bit version, is also good for Mozilla, native
support from Windows 64-bits, take advantage of 64-bit environment, no
WoW64 emulator, everyone is moving to 64-bit since is the future, come
on people, what stops you from doing it? I suggest you keep the 32-bit
version for about 4 more years, when i think 32-bit will be phased out
and it'll only remain as a WoW64 antique or 32-bit OSs on old machines.
Micro$oft has officially said that Windows 8 will be the last hybrid
32-/64-bit Windows.

Regards


I understand it's in the roadmap for the whole Mozilla family (and
Firefox does have a x64 build in testing), but in fact the decision to
move to x64 is a bit complex.

The first thing, of course, is that as long as there are people needing
to use the x86 version (for whatever reason), there will be two versions
to maintain. Yes, they will be very similar, but still, it does demand
resources.

Then, there is the matter of add-ons. The Firefox people have looked
into this and concluded that at present there is no practical way for a
x64 browser use x86 plug-ins. As I understand it (and I'm not a
developer), it *might* be possible after Project Electrolysis (rewriting
Gecko/Firefox as a multithreaded application) is final. But Electrolysis
was temporarily put on hold to focus on other aspects of development. So
it might be a while.

Besides plugins, extensions with binary components would probably need
separate x86 and x64 versions too. So a x64 browser would have less
options for add-ons in general. (In fact, Vista and Win7 ship with
*both* the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of IE, and the 32-bit version is
the *default* one, exactly for that reason)

Yes, Flash, Java and Silverlight do have x64 plug-ins available. These
three DO cover the lion's share of users needs. But there are lots of
other niche plugins that have no x64 version and might be missed by
users. Neither the Firefox nor the Seamonkey teams are eager to drop
those users with niche needs.



We hope to start creating experimental win64 builds within the year. But 
no promises yet.


We certainly will not release a release version of SeaMonkey on win64 
before Firefox does.


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Re: Any new about updating QuoteColors for SeaMonkey 2.5 and later?

2012-02-13 Thread sean nathan bean 

Philip Chee wrote:

On 13/02/2012 13:09, PhillipJones wrote:

I'd like use in SM 2.9 and later. I am still using 2.0.14 because
QuoteColors doesn't and some others.  Using the system that use the
thick grey lines to show threads is totally confusing. I wish some one
would change the Max Version and put it out for us to use.  Or get the
Author or someone to update it.


Doesn't this version work for you?


Phil


thx for that Phil... i'm using the beta releases of SeaMonkey in 
windows... and this version of quote colors works for me


yippee

now for jslib...

sean


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Re: SM 2.7 - Anyone using news servers besides Mozilla server?

2012-02-13 Thread sean nathan bean 

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

sean nathan bean wrote:


ps: enabling access to eternal-september.org is a multi step process...
but there's not much there worth being read anymore...


You wrote that as if it's Eternal-September's fault!  ;-)  It's not. but
it is the way all of Usenet is going, no matter which news server you
use. Too many people are leaving for (horrible) web forums.



didn't mean to imply it was their fault... just the way the www is 
evolving... new internet users prefer forums...


for instance: i no longer access the linux ngs... but go to the specific 
forum for the latest linux release i'm using... precisely to winnow out 
the flaming and the odd or irrelevant advice from folks not using my 
particular distro...


life is too short... and most NGs are too tedious...

sean

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Re: SM 2.7 - Anyone using news servers besides Mozilla server?

2012-02-13 Thread sean nathan bean 

chicagofan wrote:

sean nathan bean wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

I don't know if it's because I added the Mozilla server first, which
worked OK for awhile, but when I tried to add eternal-september.org all
I could get was a news account with no connection. Couldn't download
newsgroups, and I won't waste time telling you how bad it got at times.

I just need to know how, and IF I can set this news server up with the
u/n and password to get connected? Please take pity on me, I'm dealing
with a new Win7 O/S and a new SM 2.7... and both have text and symbols
that are almost illegible for these old eyes. :)
bj



toggling 'ctrl +' doesn't work for you when fonts are too small?



Yes... that's been a real help in many cases but not all. :) Thanks! I
didn't know about that until reading it here a few months ago though.



sean

ps: enabling access to eternal-september.org is a multi step process...
but there's not much there worth being read anymore...


True... I've been reduced to several technical groups and a couple of
tv/entertainment groups.
bj


i have set up both eternal-september and aeiou... but use them far far 
less than i used to do... all the technical groups i have a need for 
have migrated to other fora...



news.mozilla.org is truly the only one where i find decent interaction 
and solutions...


sean


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Re: x64

2012-02-13 Thread MCBastos 
Interviewed by CNN on 13/02/2012 13:01, gjikkl told the world:
> Yes please make a 64-bit version, is also good for Mozilla, native 
> support from Windows 64-bits, take advantage of 64-bit environment, no 
> WoW64 emulator, everyone is moving to 64-bit since is the future, come 
> on people, what stops you from doing it? I suggest you keep the 32-bit 
> version for about 4 more years, when i think 32-bit will be phased out 
> and it'll only remain as a WoW64 antique or 32-bit OSs on old machines. 
> Micro$oft has officially said that Windows 8 will be the last hybrid 
> 32-/64-bit Windows.
> 
> Regards

I understand it's in the roadmap for the whole Mozilla family (and
Firefox does have a x64 build in testing), but in fact the decision to
move to x64 is a bit complex.

The first thing, of course, is that as long as there are people needing
to use the x86 version (for whatever reason), there will be two versions
to maintain. Yes, they will be very similar, but still, it does demand
resources.

Then, there is the matter of add-ons. The Firefox people have looked
into this and concluded that at present there is no practical way for a
x64 browser use x86 plug-ins. As I understand it (and I'm not a
developer), it *might* be possible after Project Electrolysis (rewriting
Gecko/Firefox as a multithreaded application) is final. But Electrolysis
was temporarily put on hold to focus on other aspects of development. So
it might be a while.

Besides plugins, extensions with binary components would probably need
separate x86 and x64 versions too. So a x64 browser would have less
options for add-ons in general. (In fact, Vista and Win7 ship with
*both* the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of IE, and the 32-bit version is
the *default* one, exactly for that reason)

Yes, Flash, Java and Silverlight do have x64 plug-ins available. These
three DO cover the lion's share of users needs. But there are lots of
other niche plugins that have no x64 version and might be missed by
users. Neither the Firefox nor the Seamonkey teams are eager to drop
those users with niche needs.

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Re: Why forms manager is removed from Seamonkey?

2012-02-13 Thread WLS 

  
  
On 02/13/2012 09:55 AM, nikolam wrote:

  I would like to ask somewhat rephrased question from some time ago,
since I need forms manager again to remember website form.

Why forms manager is removed from Seamonkey?
And how to get forms manager functionality back?

I see there is data manager with forms
but with no option on saving form data I explicitly want to save
(those that are not passwords).





What forms manager is
removed?

I have under Browser -> History, a Form and Search History
section, in it I have "Enable form and search history" checked.


Then I have "Remember form and search history for up to x days",
where x is the number of days I want it to be remembered.

Under Tools in the menu, I have Data Manager, which has a Form
Data tab.

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Re: x64

2012-02-13 Thread gjikkl 
Yes please make a 64-bit version, is also good for Mozilla, native 
support from Windows 64-bits, take advantage of 64-bit environment, no 
WoW64 emulator, everyone is moving to 64-bit since is the future, come 
on people, what stops you from doing it? I suggest you keep the 32-bit 
version for about 4 more years, when i think 32-bit will be phased out 
and it'll only remain as a WoW64 antique or 32-bit OSs on old machines. 
Micro$oft has officially said that Windows 8 will be the last hybrid 
32-/64-bit Windows.


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Why forms manager is removed from Seamonkey?

2012-02-13 Thread nikolam 
I would like to ask somewhat rephrased question from some time ago,
since I need forms manager again to remember website form.

Why forms manager is removed from Seamonkey?
And how to get forms manager functionality back?

I see there is data manager with forms
but with no option on saving form data I explicitly want to save
(those that are not passwords).

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Re: Another Down Load Problem (2.7.1)

2012-02-13 Thread TMitchell 

Larry S. wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Larry S. wrote:

That's three in a row. First it was 2.6.1, then 2.7, and now 2.7.1. In
each case, I attempted to download through "check for updates", and in
each case SM installed and ended with the Release Notes/Changes page.
However, when I leave the page and attempt to start SM, I get "XULRunner
Couldn't read application.ini". Yes, every time.

So, off to (yikes!) IE to try another download. Finally worked each
time, although I wind up with a very slow SM which eventually gets
better.

So, what's happening here? How do I avoid it? Is it better to d/l
through IE than SM?

(Yes, I'm now in the habit of making a fresh copy of my profile before
d/l the new version, and I also keep a copy of the setup file for the
current and previous versions, in case I can't get the new one for some
reason. Thank heavens!)


Can you please open a bug on it, CC me and attach to it your
"last-update.log" So I can try and track this down.

On Win7 you can find that log in:

C:\\Users\\APPDATA\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\updates\

You might have to show hidden files and folders or some such to see the
folder.


Would love to help, but as a real amateur here:
-- No idea how to open a bug, and definitely wouldn't know the answers
to items in bug report headings;
-- Am on WinXP, where there doesn't seem to be a "C:\\Users" folder
(file?).
Sorry!
 I get the exact same "XUL Runner" error message whenever I tried to 
update beyond 2.5, and I never use to have any problem with any updates. 
 I've posted previously about this but no one ever replied.

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Re: SM 2.7 - Anyone using news servers besides Mozilla server?

2012-02-13 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
sean nathan bean wrote:

> ps: enabling access to eternal-september.org is a multi step process...
> but there's not much there worth being read anymore...

You wrote that as if it's Eternal-September's fault!  ;-)  It's not. but 
it is the way all of Usenet is going, no matter which news server you 
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Re: Any new about updating QuoteColors for SeaMonkey 2.5 and later?

2012-02-13 Thread W3BNR 
On 2/13/2012 12:09 AM PhillipJones submitted the following:
> I'd like use in SM 2.9 and later. I am still using 2.0.14 because QuoteColors
> doesn't and some others.  Using the system that use the thick grey lines to 
> show
> threads is totally confusing. I wish some one would change the Max Version and
> put it out for us to use.  Or get the Author or someone to update it.

If you extract the .rdf file from the .xpi and modify it as has been described
in this newsgroup a number of times previously it will work with SM 2.7.1.

Or, I haven't read this whole article (just looked it up on Google):
http://users.skynet.be/fa258499/hackexttutorial.html

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Re: Seamonkey instead of TB and FF

2012-02-13 Thread Daniel 

A Williams wrote:

Misak Khachatryan wrote:

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 12.02.2012 08:27, Misak Khachatryan wrote:

--- Original Message ---





Well, I have two Linux machines where Seamonkey crashes whenever I try
and send a mail, I suspect I copied the profile from one to the other at
some point.
If I really cared I'd try and fix the problem but basically I can live
with just being able to read mails there. The browser tabs are
reinstated when I restart.


On the other hand, I have SeaMonkey on my dual booting Mandriva Linux 
and Win7 HP laptop, use the one SeaMonkey Profile for both installations 
and cannot remember when I last had a problem with Mail!!


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Re: Any new about updating QuoteColors for SeaMonkey 2.5 and later?

2012-02-13 Thread Philip Chee 
On 13/02/2012 13:09, PhillipJones wrote:
> I'd like use in SM 2.9 and later. I am still using 2.0.14 because 
> QuoteColors doesn't and some others.  Using the system that use the 
> thick grey lines to show threads is totally confusing. I wish some one 
> would change the Max Version and put it out for us to use.  Or get the 
> Author or someone to update it.

Doesn't this version work for you?


Phil

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