Re: Some corrupt mail folders or files (Mac)

[Tiger]

On 01.04.12 08.44, Daniel wrote:


Another option.why do you have a separate profile for your
archivingI archive my various mail folders, each year, under the
"Local Folders", so my Mail folders sub-folders only contain this years
stuff.


Just so that I don't have to load several years worth of email (and 
attachements) when checking my daily mail. After all, this G4 is getting 
rather slow.


Other suggestions?


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Re: Your browser is blocking Flash error message

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 02:21:17 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> 
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>> If you go here, Adobe will tell you what you have installed. If they
>>> say you have it, you have it and the Yahoos are mistaken.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>> Well I went to that site and it reported that I have 11.2.202.228
>> installed.
>> Then I went down to section 3 on the page where it says that the latest
>> version available for Win7 both 32 and 64 bit is 11.1.102.62
>> So it seems that the version I downloaded and installed is more recent than
>> Adobe says is available ??? :)
> 
> Fair point, that's f***ed up. ;-)
> 
>> But it's definitely higher than 9.0
> 
> Agreed. Wonder if the Yahoos know that, or if they're sorting 
> alphabetically and putting 11 before 9? ;-)

It's probably the old overflow on 10 thinko, thinking that v11.0 is v1
since yahoo probably checks only the left most digit.

Phil

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Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Bill Davidsen]

Daniel wrote:

Michael Gordon wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start
Seamonkey. Dozens of them, and neither "dismiss all" or "dismiss" will
remove them from my screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted
through 2.7.2. I have gone as far as I am willing on "try the next
version, that will fix it" and would like some advice on actually
addressing the issue.

Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I
use all the time.



Bill,

I don't have an answer for your Calendar. You might look into the
Calendar development Team and see if they have resolution.

I don't blame you one bit for not upgrading to the next version, I had
to revert to 2.3.0 to get all my Ad-Ons to function. No more updates
until the SM Team fixes all the Ad-Ons that once worked with 2.0.
Hacking the install.rdf file only fixed one Ad-On.

Michael G



Michael, if you brought yourself a new Ford and then brought yourself a
Tow Bar which didn't fit your Ford, would it be Fords problem to change
the car so the Tow bar fits or should it be up to the manufacturer of
the Tow bar to change the Tow bar to fix the car.

Same situation here, with SM Council producing a program which others
then produce Add-On's that third parties can add to program. Not
Councils problem to make sure SM works with Add-On, but *is* Add-On
writers duty to make sure that Add-On works, as advertised, with program.

IMHO, of course!

The issue is that I can't locate where the alerts are saved to clear them. The 
issue of not going to 2.8 until quote-collapse is working is a separate one, 
although I had hoped the compatibility add-in would have solved that.


Since both Lightning and Seamonkey are Mozilla projects I would have hoped they 
would work together, and that when a new weekly version comes out the Mozilla 
parts would still play together.


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Bill Davidsen]

Rufus wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

Despite
having been a subscriber to this mailing list for quite
some time, I have no recollection of the Seamonkey team
ever saying "We are considering doing so-and-so for
a future release, and would be interested to learn how
the user community feel about it".


In this case it was a by design *core* change that caused it. And as
such we did not come to the *SeaMonkey* user community to explicitly ask
about it.

Though in *theory* we could override the core choice here, I don't see a
strongly compelling reason to do so.


I'll give you one, "print screen." Without the extension installed you
really kind of have to actually save the image and use another tool to
print, since the black border is ugly, and printer ink is even more
expensive than gasoline.



What happens if the user selects "Print" instead of "Print Screen"?

I had that though as well, but only after I had painfully returned to an older 
version for other reasons. Hopefully someone can tell us, I don't have a spare 
place to move back to 2.8 a test right now.


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Bill Davidsen]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-31 3:35 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


I submitted bug #738948, requesting a user option to use the
user-specified background color. It was closed as WontFix without any
explaination of why that would be a bad idea. I reopened the bug report
to request such an explanation. I don't know how long it will remain
open. See.

In the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html newsgroup, we are frequently
reminded that Web pages should not attempt to override how users have
configured their browsers. Here, however, we have a case where someone
decided to have the browser override how users configure their
browsers.
This is just plain wrong. Can a Mozilla develeoper please explain why
that is not wrong?


And, David, the bug was again Resolved Wontfix about 20 min after you
re-opened it.


It would seem that someone feels that they can't defend the lack of
choice *OR* explain why can't/shouldn't be fixed, so they just keep
pretending the issue doesn't exist.


Bill, that is borderline on a personal attack. If you have question
about a change, just ask. Take the time to investigate a change before
making any judgment, and most certainly before judging the attitude of
individual developers.

Closing the bug repeatedly with no explanation of WONTFIX, no assertion that 
it's not a bug, no explanation of why it would be bad to make it work in a way 
that doesn't adversely impact users... that seems to justify my conclusion that 
the developers are unresponsive, and opening the bug twice would seem to justify 
an explanation. Is there some special channel to "just ask" other than the BZ 
entry? I'm sure the OP will use it!


For that matter would it have taken more time to post a few sentences on in the 
bug as to why it won't be fixed than to write a paragraph characterizing it as a 
personal attack? It's an attack on the whole system, I grant you that, if a user 
takes the time to report a problem, and then request an explanation, would a few 
words of clarification be an unreasonable request?


I did development for a few decades, and always found it easier to give a few 
words on why something was done (or not) than to defend my right to be arbitrary.


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Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Bill Davidsen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start Seamonkey.
Dozens of them, and neither "dismiss all" or "dismiss" will remove them from my
screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted through 2.7.2. I have gone as
far as I am willing on "try the next version, that will fix it" and would like
some advice on actually addressing the issue.

Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I use all
the time.

*More info:* These reminders are in my Google calendar. So it appears that 
Lightning is not doing anything useful, when the DISMISS or [DISMISS ALL] 
options are used, the alerts remain on the screen, and show up every time SM is 
started.


I have filed Bug 741190 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741190) on 
this, requesting an option to ignore overdue alerts from read-only calendars.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message *filters* to
delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so nice. :)
bj


As of SM 2.7.2 on Linux they seem to work, the posts are just not indexed into 
the list of available postings in the heading frame. There used to be a way to 
make an entire thread hidden after it was in the index, but I can't find any 
info on how that used to work. It was not with a filter, just a mark on the 
thread that kept it off the screen.


Anyway, filters do seem to work for me in ng.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj






I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the stuff.

SM has a bizarre understanding of "delete" IMHO. The delete operation (from 
local availability) seem confused with "cancel," or remove from all servers 
everywhere. And the messge filter DELETE action will do what you want, remove it 
from your index and header pane.


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Re: Bug 724431 - thought resolved, but duplicated in SM 2.7.2

[David E. Ross]

On 3/31/12 8:01 PM, Rufus wrote:
> Please revisit/readdress bug 724431.  Further detail/clarification 
> added.  I had lost track of what I was doing to make this happen, just 
> rediscovered the example.
> 

When you post a message with a bug number, please also include the link
to the bug report.  This is
.

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Re: Your browser is blocking Flash error message

[David E. Ross]

On 3/31/12 9:24 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> SM 2.8  on an x64 Win7 ultimate OS
> 
> Starting several days ago when I log in to Att/Yahoo webmail I get the
> following error message box:
> 
> ---
> Flash required for this application X
> Your browser is blocking Flash. You must have Flash 9.0 or higher installed 
> and 
> unblocked to run an openmail application. You can download and install the 
> latest Flash Player _here_
> 
> OK
> --
> 
> where that _here_ is a link to the  Adobe Flash Player 11.2.202.228
> download page which reports:
> 
>  Your system: Windows 64-bit , English, Firefox
>  Do you have a different operating system or browser?
> 
>  Note:The 64-bit Flash Player installer includes both a 32-bit and 64-bit 
> version of Flash Player
> 
> To be on the safe side, just in case my Flash had become disconnected from SM
> I downloaded and reinstalled it.
> However the error message keeps coming back whenever I log in to webmail,
> But if I click on the X (to close the error box) or on OK, the error box
> goes away and my webmail session appears to work without crashing or obvious
> errors.
> 
> So what can be the problem between the webmail site and SM and/or SM and my
> installed Flash? How is SM blocking Flash? How can I check the connection
> between my SM and my Flash?

That message often means that the Web server is sniffing your user agent
(UA) string incorrectly, sniffing for "Firefox" and not for "Gecko".
There are a few Web sites where the sniffing breaks when both "Firefox"
and "SeaMonkey" are present in the UA string.  In this case, the
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" feature in SeaMonkey is worthless.

If you have PrefBar installed, try setting your UA string to spoof
Firefox without any mention of SeaMonkey.

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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[David E. Ross]

On 4/1/12 5:34 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Rufus wrote:
>> Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
 Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> Despite
> having been a subscriber to this mailing list for quite
> some time, I have no recollection of the Seamonkey team
> ever saying "We are considering doing so-and-so for
> a future release, and would be interested to learn how
> the user community feel about it".

 In this case it was a by design *core* change that caused it. And as
 such we did not come to the *SeaMonkey* user community to explicitly ask
 about it.

 Though in *theory* we could override the core choice here, I don't see a
 strongly compelling reason to do so.

>>> I'll give you one, "print screen." Without the extension installed you
>>> really kind of have to actually save the image and use another tool to
>>> print, since the black border is ugly, and printer ink is even more
>>> expensive than gasoline.
>>>
>>
>> What happens if the user selects "Print" instead of "Print Screen"?
>>
> I had that though as well, but only after I had painfully returned to an 
> older 
> version for other reasons. Hopefully someone can tell us, I don't have a 
> spare 
> place to move back to 2.8 a test right now.
> 

With the Old Default Image Style extension disabled, I went to my own
.  I selected the photo
of the 'Mt. Hood' white daffodil, right-clicked, and selected View Image
in the pull-down context menu.  The image appeared in the center of the
window with a black background.

On the SeaMonkey menu bar, I selected [File > Page Setup].  On the Page
Setup dialogue popup, I made sure the Options: Print Background checkbox
was not checked.

When I printed with color, the image appeared in the upper-left corner
of the page with a white (or no) background.

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Default Bookmarks Folder

[Tom Pamin]

When I right-click on a page and choose Bookmark This Page, I get a 
drop-down list of folders to put the bookmark in. I would like this list 
to default to my New Bookmarks folder, instead of any of the other 
choices in the drop-down list. How can set the New Bookmarks folder as 
the default?

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Re: Default Bookmarks Folder

[Jens Hatlak]

Tom Pamin wrote:

When I right-click on a page and choose Bookmark This Page, I get a
drop-down list of folders to put the bookmark in. I would like this list
to default to my New Bookmarks folder, instead of any of the other
choices in the drop-down list. How can set the New Bookmarks folder as
the default?


Right now, you can't. But if you need a simple and fast way to file 
bookmarks, you can use the bookmark icon at the right end of the 
location bar, which files bookmarks to the Unsorted Bookmarks folder. 
The icon will appear green then, which indicates that a bookmark has 
been filed for the current page. Clicking the icon again will open a 
"doorhanger" which allows to apply some changes.


HTH

Jens

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Re: Bug 724431 - thought resolved, but duplicated in SM 2.7.2

[Rufus]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/12 8:01 PM, Rufus wrote:

Please revisit/readdress bug 724431.  Further detail/clarification
added.  I had lost track of what I was doing to make this happen, just
rediscovered the example.



When you post a message with a bug number, please also include the link
to the bug report.  This is
.



Sorry - I've seen this done before and though it was built in to SM to 
automatically translate "bug #" into a hyperlink.  I'd seen that 
before.  Mea Culpa...


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Re: 2.8 Graphics (.jpg) display change?

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-04-01 8:21 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-31 3:35 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:


It would seem that someone feels that they can't defend the lack of
choice *OR* explain why can't/shouldn't be fixed, so they just keep
pretending the issue doesn't exist.


Bill, that is borderline on a personal attack. If you have question
about a change, just ask. Take the time to investigate a change before
making any judgment, and most certainly before judging the attitude of
individual developers.


Closing the bug repeatedly with no explanation of WONTFIX, no assertion
that it's not a bug, no explanation of why it would be bad to make it
work in a way that doesn't adversely impact users... that seems to
justify my conclusion that the developers are unresponsive, and opening
the bug twice would seem to justify an explanation. Is there some
special channel to "just ask" other than the BZ entry? I'm sure the OP
will use it!


If one person seems to have bad bugzilla etiquette, that doesn't mean 
he/she is pretending an issue doesn't exist, or that it applies to all 
developers. Plus, if you read the bug, there was an attempt to explain 
it in comment 3.



For that matter would it have taken more time to post a few sentences on
in the bug as to why it won't be fixed than to write a paragraph
characterizing it as a personal attack?


I don't see anything in the bug about personal attacks, so I assume 
you're saying that *I* should have posted an explanation in the bug.


I'm not the person who closed the bug. I don't know or care why the bug 
was wontfixed. I'm a moderator of this SeaMonkey user support newsgroup. 
My job is to keep this newsgroup civil and focused on SeaMonkey user 
support. If you've got questions about development, try asking in the 
mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup. But you didn't have a question.


Remember that every person in bugzilla and in this newsgroup is a human 
being. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone jumped to accusations 
and judgments about you. I haven't seen any posts in this newsgroup from 
the person you're attacking, so that person is most likely not reading 
this group. If your post wasn't about user support, why did you post 
that message?


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj






I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read
the stuff.


SM has a bizarre understanding of "delete" IMHO. The delete operation
(from local availability) seem confused with "cancel," or remove from
all servers everywhere. And the messge filter DELETE action will do what
you want, remove it from your index and header pane.

The new group in question has calmed down of recent. not by attempts to 
filter.
But because Google quit the connection to USENET.   According some some 
on the newsgroup in question several people have notes has quit 
forwarding GoogleGroups to USENET either by design or something broke. 
My opinion I'd just as soon see it stay broke for next 30 years at least.


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[flyguy]

On 3/31/2012 12:13 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:


Jay Garcia wrote:


I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?


Remove cache and cookies to see if that works.



Remove cache, or just delete files in the cache?

Delete ALL cookies? That seems pretty dramatic -- are there some
specific cookies that might interfere with email?


What are you worried about? I've had SeaMonkey set to delete all cookies
on close for years, and never missed them. It's not like your favorite
busybody websites don't know how to set new cookies to monitor your
every move...


I have several websites for which I allow cookies; generally, these are 
weather websites from which I require specific forecasts at specific 
times. I would never "delete all cookies" unless there was no other way 
to resolve the problem, because I'd have to set them up all over again. 
The default, however, is "session cookies".


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[flyguy]

On 3/31/2012 8:49 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:

This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
business trip.

On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.

On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
webmail (all other websites operated normally).

I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?


I've experienced a few wi-fi places where the ISP will not forward email 
sending requests unless you are their customer. You can _get_ email, 
regardless, but not send it. These places usually allow gmail, so I will 
sometimes send mail via that account, instead of my usual account. They 
have always allowed webmail, as far as I know.

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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 31/03/2012 12:49, BIll Spikowski told the world:
> This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
> business trip.
> 
> On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
> incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.
> 
> On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
> access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
> webmail (all other websites operated normally).
> 
> I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
> I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
> might be?

If it were only an issue while using the Seamonkey mail client, I would
think some sort of firewall blocking POP/IMAP/SMTP connections. Rare
nowadays, but still possible.

However, you say you are unable to connect via webmail. But webmail is a
standard Web connection -- if you block that, you block everything.

So, it seems the problem is that you cannot connect to your ISP in any
way. That really sounds to me like some sort of DNS problem -- for some
reason, you are unable to find the correct server from that particular
connection. You might try to set up your Wi-Fi card to use a specific
public DNS server, like OpenDNS or Google DNS, instead of whatever DNS
the wi-fi connection offers you.

It's also possible that your ISP is being actively blocked for some
reason -- maybe it got into one of those "blackhole" lists -- and a
firewall is forbidding connections to it.


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[Bill Davidsen]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
business trip.

On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.

On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
webmail (all other websites operated normally).

I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?


Are you using the insecure ports and services, SMTP and POP3, or the secure 
versions of them? Some IP providers block access to the unsecured port, while 
other block access to all mail ports and services in the name of SPAM.


Did you use webmail with an insecure (http:) URL or a secure (https:) URL, same 
issue, different blockage.


The solution is to run some form of VPN to a host which trusts you and has an 
unfiltered network access. That becomes a very deep and off-topic subject, so I 
hesitate to give you a more complete answer here. And people do block VPN ports 
as well, so even that is no panacea. The fact that other sites worked may also 
mean that the site where you do mail is just totally blocked, ISPs are not 
universally subtle, or even _competent_!


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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[Bill Davidsen]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 31/03/2012 12:49, BIll Spikowski told the world:

This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
business trip.

On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.

On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
webmail (all other websites operated normally).

I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?


If it were only an issue while using the Seamonkey mail client, I would
think some sort of firewall blocking POP/IMAP/SMTP connections. Rare
nowadays, but still possible.

However, you say you are unable to connect via webmail. But webmail is a
standard Web connection -- if you block that, you block everything.

So, it seems the problem is that you cannot connect to your ISP in any
way. That really sounds to me like some sort of DNS problem -- for some
reason, you are unable to find the correct server from that particular
connection. You might try to set up your Wi-Fi card to use a specific
public DNS server, like OpenDNS or Google DNS, instead of whatever DNS
the wi-fi connection offers you.

I didn't think of DNS, because I would expect a visible error message for 
non-resolved names. But a wrong IP would cause the issue, and I know about wrong 
IP resoluition, since my nameserver has blocked out some of the ad/trace/evil 
sites and resolves them to an internal server.



It's also possible that your ISP is being actively blocked for some
reason -- maybe it got into one of those "blackhole" lists -- and a
firewall is forbidding connections to it.





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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Bill Davidsen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start Seamonkey.
Dozens of them, and neither "dismiss all" or "dismiss" will remove them from my
screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted through 2.7.2. I have gone as
far as I am willing on "try the next version, that will fix it" and would like
some advice on actually addressing the issue.

Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I use all
the time.


*More info:* These reminders are in my Google calendar. So it appears that
Lightning is not doing anything useful, when the DISMISS or [DISMISS ALL]
options are used, the alerts remain on the screen, and show up every time SM is
started.

I have filed Bug 741190 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741190) on
this, requesting an option to ignore overdue alerts from read-only calendars.

And the resolution is "turn off reminders on remote calendars." The fact that it 
makes the remote calendar pretty useless for getting you to meetings and such is 
irrelevant, I guess.


I want to think about this before putting in an RFE, my current thinking is that 
the ideal solution is to ignore outdated alerts, and fake DISMISS without 
modifying the read-only calendar. I can think of several ways to do that, but 
all involve a developer who thinks it's worth doing.


I think it's important, having a shared department calendar (or family, or club, 
or ...) is a huge win, not having alerts really drops the utility. Making the 
calendar writable would silence the alert for all users, I think.


If anyone has ideas on this, please reply here, if I'm going to suggest a way or 
ways to address the problem, I would like to ask for something which solves the 
problem and isn't a huge amount of work.


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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
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Getting password list for backup

[Bill Davidsen]

I am doing some work for an agency which has a requirement that they will have a 
recent copy of all passwords stored on any computer accessing their site. 
Previously I was able to use an HTML file which did the job, it doesn't work 
with recent SM versions.


This isn't a discussion of whether that's a good idea, it's a policy 
requirement, and not worth quitting over, since I got a letter from the legal 
department saying I had told them it was a bad idea, and I'm not on the hook if 
there's a compromise.


It will be done, the question is if there is a way to do it easily and get it on 
dead trees.


Oh, and a way to conveniently move a limited number from one machine to another 
would be a time saver, as well. If there is such a thing.


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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Bill Davidsen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm getting reminders from long dismissed calendar items when I start Seamonkey.
Dozens of them, and neither "dismiss all" or "dismiss" will remove them from my
screen. This started with 2.0.14, and persisted through 2.7.2. I have gone as
far as I am willing on "try the next version, that will fix it" and would like
some advice on actually addressing the issue.

Unwilling to move to 2.8 until add-on updates are available for stuff I use all
the time.

I just found another neatness in this bug, on Linux all the hung alerts keep the 
process from terminating. After QUIT it closes all windows, but there's still a 
process running.


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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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Re: Your browser is blocking Flash error message (ATT Yahoo)

[Jay O'Brien]

I hope someone finds a resolution to this problem soon. I have three computers,
using different logins to ATT/Yahoo; two are XP and the third is Windows 7 64-
bit. They all receive the message quoted below that was reported by Rostyslaw.

If PrefBar or something else is needed, I'll install it, but after it is 
reported here that it is a fix that works.

Thanks!

Jay O'Brien

 Original Message 
Subject: Your browser is blocking Flash error message
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:24:52 -0400
From: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

SM 2.8  on an x64 Win7 ultimate OS

Starting several days ago when I log in to Att/Yahoo webmail I get the
following error message box:

---
Flash required for this application X
Your browser is blocking Flash. You must have Flash 9.0 or higher installed and 
unblocked to run an openmail application. You can download and install the 
latest Flash Player _here_

OK
--

where that _here_ is a link to the  Adobe Flash Player 11.2.202.228
download page which reports:

 Your system: Windows 64-bit , English, Firefox
 Do you have a different operating system or browser?

 Note:The 64-bit Flash Player installer includes both a 32-bit and 64-bit 
version of Flash Player

To be on the safe side, just in case my Flash had become disconnected from SM
I downloaded and reinstalled it.
However the error message keeps coming back whenever I log in to webmail,
But if I click on the X (to close the error box) or on OK, the error box
goes away and my webmail session appears to work without crashing or obvious
errors.

So what can be the problem between the webmail site and SM and/or SM and my
installed Flash? How is SM blocking Flash? How can I check the connection
between my SM and my Flash?
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Re: Reminders from long dismissed calendar items

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:02:25 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

> Since both Lightning and Seamonkey are Mozilla projects I would have hoped 
> they 
> would work together, and that when a new weekly version comes out the Mozilla 
> parts would still play together.

Lightning, Thunderbird, and SeaMonkey are Mozilla projects. Lightning
has half a developer (or one part time developer - when he's not
studying for his exams). Since Lightning is severely limited in
resources, Lightning is focusing on Thunderbird compatibility since
there are far more TB users using Lightning than SM users using
Lightning. In addition several Thunderbird developers are helping out on
the Lightning/Thunderbird integration issues.

On the SeaMonkey side of things I've been working on:

Bug 719031 - [Meta] SeaMonkey issues from Lightning Bug 316916 (Task
Quick Filter bar) and bug 709572 (Calendar and Task toolbar).

Bug 709616 - Adapt Seamonkey to Lightning tabs on top changes.
Bug 719034 - Support CTRL-SHIFT-K as the Lighting Task Quick Filter hotkey.
Bug 719050 - Lightning aero #button-delete style makes the SeaMonkey
Mail delete button image disappear.
Bug 721327 - Implement Tabs Toolbar for Thunderbird and Lightning
Compatibility.
Bug 721330 - Make Customizing Lightning Toolbars work in SeaMonkey.
Bug 731264 - Support with multiple toolboxes in MailNews due to Lighting
Calendar and Task Tabs.

*However* I'm just one person and I can't do this all by myself. I've
other bugs to fix as well. And I'm doing this all unpaid and in my free
time. It would be nice if I got a bit more help from people in getting
Lightning/SeaMonkey integration problems fixed, and a bit less whinging
from arm-chair critics.

Phil

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Re: Incoming and Outgoing Email While Traveling

[Rufus]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

This week I used two different wi-fi connections each day while on a
business trip.

On one connection, I had normal full access to the web and to my
incoming and outgoing email using Seamonkey.

On the other connection, I had full access to the web, but could not
access my regular email account either through Seamonkey or through
webmail (all other websites operated normally).

I've experienced similar email blockages while traveling other places.
I doubt it's a Seamonkey problem, but I'm wondering what a workaround
might be?


I can use my e-mail client from any wifi access point I choose, with the 
exception that when I'm traveling with my laptop (off of my directly 
serviced home net) I have to connect using SSL - which probably varies 
from ISP to ISP.  I would suggest trying that (if you aren't doing it 
already) to see if you can avoid the hit and miss.


Also - I set my laptop preferences to leave messages on the server so 
that I can still retrieve them at home once I get there.


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Re: Getting password list for backup

[Rufus]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I am doing some work for an agency which has a requirement that they
will have a recent copy of all passwords stored on any computer
accessing their site. Previously I was able to use an HTML file which
did the job, it doesn't work with recent SM versions.



...that's a comfort.


This isn't a discussion of whether that's a good idea, it's a policy
requirement, and not worth quitting over, since I got a letter from the
legal department saying I had told them it was a bad idea, and I'm not
on the hook if there's a compromise.

It will be done, the question is if there is a way to do it easily and
get it on dead trees.



...let's hope/pray not.  I wouldn't mind knowing whom this client is, so 
I can avoid *ever* doing biz with them, or *ever* visiting any of their 
websites.


In fact, I'd like to know more about just how someone would do this, as 
my own security people warned me some time ago that storing passwords on 
your machine in any form is a *bad* idea in the first place...now I 
guess I know why.



Oh, and a way to conveniently move a limited number from one machine to
another would be a time saver, as well. If there is such a thing.



This is exactly why I export/import .html Bookmarks - usually I only 
want a subset, not a complete Synch between machines.


Bad hunting to you...

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