Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[Jens Hatlak]

NoOp wrote:

See how many clicks & pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
Nope. Not there.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
Nope. Not there.
SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".


Exactly. In the past, www.mozilla.org could be perceived as being the 
site that features anything Mozilla-based, but these times are long 
gone. (At the latest) since www.mozilla.com has been merged into 
www.mozilla.org, mozilla.org is the MoCo home and they claim/control the 
front page contents. These contents cannot be changed by everyone 
(unlike with the wiki or developer network sites) so it's a done deal. 
No point in fighting it. Our website and content is elsewhere, and we 
have at least full control over that.


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 10:51 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 12-08-10 10:17 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...
>>
>> See how many clicks & pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.
>>
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
>> Nope. Not there.
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
>> Nope. Not there.
>> SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".
>> Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
>> see how easy it is for you to find it.
>>
>> When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
>> do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
>> they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.
>>
>> My we are a select & special project group aren't we?
>>
>> [1] 
>> 
> 
> What Robert told you in 2009 still applies. :)
> 
> 

Actually it does not. At that time Robert wrote:

"We are features well on the "Our Projects" page itself, and we appear
on the front page if the screen is large enough (the first versions had
usnot even showing up at 1280px width, which I got them to correct as
space could fit that easily) and when the user scrolls the projects with
the arrows. That's the most we can do."

Which is considerably different than now.

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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-08-10 10:17 PM, NoOp wrote:

Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...

See how many clicks & pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
Nope. Not there.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
Nope. Not there.
SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".
Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
see how easy it is for you to find it.

When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.

My we are a select & special project group aren't we?

[1] 



What Robert told you in 2009 still applies. :)


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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 09:34 PM, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 11/08/2012 01:28, Ant told the world:
>> On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM PT, Michael Gordon typed:
>> 
>>> Try using Google as your friend.  Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper
>>> case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe
>>> not.
>> 
>> Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even 
>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not 
>> care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :(
>> 
> 
> No, they have already killed it -- back in 2005, when the Mozilla
> Application Suite was discontinued. Seamonkey is *not* an official
> Mozilla project, although they do lend us a lot of help and resources.
> 

At least previously they had an easy link to 'Projects' on the front
page. Now you have to go through:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
to  https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
  scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "See even more
awesome software based on Mozilla technologies."
to end up here:


Seems to me that if they do lend a lot of help & resources, they'd be
kind enough to at least make "projects" visible again. At least we're
not alone...they've also done the same to Lightning, who do not have
their own URL:

https://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/

The other interesting bit, is that if you are on the calendar page, and
click on any 'Projects' link, you end up back here:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
So they are purposely redirecting any 'projects' url to 'products',
which of course confuses the hell out of anyone trying to find
'projects' on the site. I guess it's "their site, their rules".




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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[Ant]

On 8/10/2012 9:34 PM PT, MCBastos typed:


Try using Google as your friend.  Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper
case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe
not.


Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not
care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :(



No, they have already killed it -- back in 2005, when the Mozilla
Application Suite was discontinued. Seamonkey is *not* an official
Mozilla project, although they do lend us a lot of help and resources.


Really? Wow. I didn't know that happened. That sucks. I am surprised it 
is still alive today even though it is an unofficial project. :( No 
wonder people never heard of them until I mentioned old school Netscape 
suite products.

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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:

>BTW: I have MC, it's just not set as my default file manager. That said,
>the other users with the same issue in the bug report also have desktop
>environments. So I'm not sure how you'd actually test without a desktop
>environment.

I had to deal with that for evince requiring a default browser for help
and links in PDFs. Some struggling with xdg-mime. Now it works.

The problem with about:support is not tempting enough for me, though. ;)

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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 11/08/2012 01:28, Ant told the world:
> On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM PT, Michael Gordon typed:
> 
>> Try using Google as your friend.  Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper
>> case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe
>> not.
> 
> Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even 
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not 
> care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :(
> 

No, they have already killed it -- back in 2005, when the Mozilla
Application Suite was discontinued. Seamonkey is *not* an official
Mozilla project, although they do lend us a lot of help and resources.

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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[Ant]

On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM PT, Michael Gordon typed:


Try using Google as your friend.  Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper
case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe
not.


Bah to search engines. We're talking about Mozilla's web site! Even 
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ doesn't list it! Does Mozilla not 
care about its own multiple suite product? Are they trying to kill it? :(

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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 09:13 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
> 
>>You still want a screenshot? If so I can send to you directly.
> 
> No, i do not need it. You have given enough information.
> 
>>What I find interesting is that on Ubuntu 12.04, Firefox works:
>>Firefox Ubuntu 12.04 32bit
>>
>>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1
>>No errors - works.
>>
>>But SeaMonkey does not:
>>SeaMonkey Ubuntu 12.04 32bit
>>
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0
>>Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14a1
>>Build identifier: 20120810003003
>>Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:02:24 PM
>>Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
>>(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
>>Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
>>Line: 555
>>
>>I've just replicated on another machine with 32bit Ubuntu 12.04.
>>
>>On all Ubuntu 11.04 systems I've tested, both Firefox and SeaMonkey work.
> 
> It seems to me that SM relies here on www.freedesktop.org. Meaning that
> for someone like me without a desktop environment it will be difficult.
> 
> But of course there is an advantage also. I could point to mc, the
> midnight commander, my favorite file manager. *g*
> 
> Hartmut
> 

I've also just replicated on Fedora 17.

BTW: I have MC, it's just not set as my default file manager. That said,
the other users with the same issue in the bug report also have desktop
environments. So I'm not sure how you'd actually test without a desktop
environment.



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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:

>You still want a screenshot? If so I can send to you directly.

No, i do not need it. You have given enough information.

>What I find interesting is that on Ubuntu 12.04, Firefox works:
>Firefox Ubuntu 12.04 32bit
>
>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1
>No errors - works.
>
>But SeaMonkey does not:
>SeaMonkey Ubuntu 12.04 32bit
>
>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0
>Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14a1
>Build identifier: 20120810003003
>Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:02:24 PM
>Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
>(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
>Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
>Line: 555
>
>I've just replicated on another machine with 32bit Ubuntu 12.04.
>
>On all Ubuntu 11.04 systems I've tested, both Firefox and SeaMonkey work.

It seems to me that SM relies here on www.freedesktop.org. Meaning that
for someone like me without a desktop environment it will be difficult.

But of course there is an advantage also. I could point to mc, the
midnight commander, my favorite file manager. *g*

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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 07:50 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
> 
>>Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread - second try.
> 
> Changing a subject should be done so:
> new subject (was: old subject)
> ;)

Well yeah... and you'd think that I would even spell 'Dirctory' correct. :-)



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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 08:44 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
>>On 08/10/2012 07:50 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> 
>>> What did you see after clicking 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'
>>> on about:support? Can you show a screenshot? I am asking this because it
>>> always failed for me and i would like to see what should be expected.
>>
>>It properly opens the Nautilus (GNOME) file manager at:
>>/home//.mozilla/seamonkey/.default
> 
> Thanks. Then it seems that a desktop environment is required. Sigh.
> 
> Hartmut
> 

You still want a screenshot? If so I can send to you directly.

What I find interesting is that on Ubuntu 12.04, Firefox works:
Firefox Ubuntu 12.04 32bit

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1
No errors - works.

But SeaMonkey does not:
SeaMonkey Ubuntu 12.04 32bit

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0
Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14a1
Build identifier: 20120810003003
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:02:24 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 555

I've just replicated on another machine with 32bit Ubuntu 12.04.

On all Ubuntu 11.04 systems I've tested, both Firefox and SeaMonkey work.





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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 08:41 PM, Michael Gordon wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 08/10/2012 07:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote:
 Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...

 See how many clicks&  pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.

 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
 Nope. Not there.
 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
 Nope. Not there.
 SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".
 Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
 see how easy it is for you to find it.

 When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
 do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
 they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.

 My we are a select&  special project group aren't we?

 [1]
 

>>>
>>> SeaMonkey has its own Web domain.  The home page in US-English is at
>>> .
>>
>> I know that, you know that. But if a new/prospective SeaMonkey user goes
>> to the standard Mozilla page&  tries to find SeaMonkey, how easy do you
>> think it will be?
>>
>>> There, it is spelled "SeaMonkey".
>>>
>>
>> Well of course it is. But it is not on the Mozilla site/page.
>>
> 
> Try using Google as your friend.  Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper 
> case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe 
> not.
> 
> Michael G
> 

Are you serious?

Never mind, I reckon you are. Thanks for playing anyway.

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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:
>On 08/10/2012 07:50 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> What did you see after clicking 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'
>> on about:support? Can you show a screenshot? I am asking this because it
>> always failed for me and i would like to see what should be expected.
>
>It properly opens the Nautilus (GNOME) file manager at:
>/home//.mozilla/seamonkey/.default

Thanks. Then it seems that a desktop environment is required. Sigh.

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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[Michael Gordon]

NoOp wrote:

On 08/10/2012 07:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote:

Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...

See how many clicks&  pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
Nope. Not there.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
Nope. Not there.
SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".
Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
see how easy it is for you to find it.

When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.

My we are a select&  special project group aren't we?

[1]




SeaMonkey has its own Web domain.  The home page in US-English is at
.


I know that, you know that. But if a new/prospective SeaMonkey user goes
to the standard Mozilla page&  tries to find SeaMonkey, how easy do you
think it will be?


There, it is spelled "SeaMonkey".



Well of course it is. But it is not on the Mozilla site/page.



Try using Google as your friend.  Enter SeaMonkey in lower case, upper 
case, or mixed case; only the letter spelling will count, and then maybe 
not.


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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 07:50 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
> 
>>Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread - second try.
> 
> Changing a subject should be done so:
> new subject (was: old subject)
> ;)
> 
>>SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04
>>Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0)
>>Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11
>>No Errors - works.
> 
> What did you see after clicking 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'
> on about:support? Can you show a screenshot? I am asking this because it
> always failed for me and i would like to see what should be expected.
> 
> Hartmut
> 

It properly opens the Nautilus (GNOME) file manager at:
/home//.mozilla/seamonkey/.default

Nautilus is my primary file manager.



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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 07:40 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...
>> 
>> See how many clicks & pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.
>> 
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
>> Nope. Not there.
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
>> Nope. Not there.
>> SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".
>> Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
>> see how easy it is for you to find it.
>> 
>> When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
>> do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
>> they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.
>> 
>> My we are a select & special project group aren't we?
>> 
>> [1] 
>> 
>> 
> 
> SeaMonkey has its own Web domain.  The home page in US-English is at
> .  

I know that, you know that. But if a new/prospective SeaMonkey user goes
to the standard Mozilla page & tries to find SeaMonkey, how easy do you
think it will be?

> There, it is spelled "SeaMonkey".
> 

Well of course it is. But it is not on the Mozilla site/page.

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Re: [linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:

>Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread - second try.

Changing a subject should be done so:
new subject (was: old subject)
;)

>SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04
>Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0)
>Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11
>No Errors - works.

What did you see after clicking 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory'
on about:support? Can you show a screenshot? I am asking this because it
always failed for me and i would like to see what should be expected.

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Re: SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[David E. Ross]

On 8/10/12 7:17 PM, NoOp wrote:
> Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...
> 
> See how many clicks & pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.
> 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
> Nope. Not there.
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
> Nope. Not there.
> SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".
> Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
> see how easy it is for you to find it.
> 
> When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
> do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
> they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.
> 
> My we are a select & special project group aren't we?
> 
> [1] 
> 
> 

SeaMonkey has its own Web domain.  The home page in US-English is at
.  There, it is spelled "SeaMonkey".

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SeaMonkey - Mozilla's Where's SeaMonkey challenge

[NoOp]

Sort of like 'Where's Waldo'[1] ...

See how many clicks & pages it takes you to find the SeaMonkey pages.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
Nope. Not there.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
Nope. Not there.
SeaMonkey isn't a "Product".
Hint: You can indeed get to a page with SeaMonkey on it from there...
see how easy it is for you to find it.

When you do get to the page, SeaMonkey is spelled 'Seamonkey'. Not only
do Mozilla dis SeaMonkey by hiding it three obscure pages in, but then
they spell it with a lowercase 'm'.

My we are a select & special project group aren't we?

[1] 

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Re: Increased crashes/instability on SM 2.11 linux x64?

[NoOp]

On 08/09/2012 11:54 PM, Jesse Molina wrote:
> 
> I am seeing much increased instability in seamonkey 2.11 on Linux, amd64 
> version.
> 
> Can anyone else using SM linux confirm or deny?
> 
> I did a memtest86+ overnight just a few days ago to check and everything 
> came up clean.
> 

I've not experienced a crash on 32bit or 64bit linux.


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[linux - bug 680798] - Open Dirctory (Troubleshooting Information)

[NoOp]

Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread - second try.

NoOp:
> >On 08/06/2012 04:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> >> And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help->Troubleshooting
>> >> Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for
>> >> 'Profile Directory'.
>> >>
>> >> Does not work on Linux, though. ;)
> >
> >Works for me:
> >
> >Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0
> >SeaMonkey/2.11

> > The above works for you? It has not for me ever. I am now getting
> >
> > |Timestamp: 08.08.2012 00:42:34
> > |Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
> > |(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
> > |Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
> > |Line: 555
> >
> > in the error console for 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0)
> > Gecko/2012080719 SeaMonkey/2.14a1-h'
> >
> > And there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680798
> >
> > Hartmut



At first I thought that the error might be 64bit related, but after
multiple tests between 32bit and 64bit I' stumped. Here are my results
(feel free to copy them to the bug report):

Firefox - Ubuntu 12.04

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0

Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:36:55 PM
Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure
code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]"  nsresult:
"0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame ::
chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js :: openProfileDirectory :: line
469"  data: no]

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1

Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:49:25 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525


SeaMonkey - Ubuntu 12.04
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120725 Firefox/15.0
SeaMonkey/2.12

Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:43:45 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525

Firefox - 11.04
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/14.0.1
No Errors - works.

SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0)
Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11
No Errors - works.
SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04 - Clean test profile:
No Errors - works.

SeaMonkey - Ubuntu 12.04 using the ~/.mozilla/seamonkey folder from the
11.04 install

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120725
Firefox/15.0 SeaMonkey/2.12
Build identifier: 20120725204016
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 02:44:44 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0)
Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 02:49:51 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525

Firefox Ubuntu 12.04 32bit

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1
No errors - works.

SeaMonkey Ubuntu 12.04 32bit

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0
Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14a1
Build identifier: 20120810003003
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:02:24 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 555

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120715
Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:26:40 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525
Note: same with safe mode and a clean 'test' profile.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120801 Firefox/15.0
SeaMonkey/2.12 (b3)
Build identifier: 20120801223740
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:40:24 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525




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Re: [linux - bug 680798] was: Re: User Agent location

[NoOp]

On 08/10/2012 03:50 PM, NoOp wrote:
> Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread.
...
Well I _thought_ I was starting a new there... apologies & I'll try again.



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[linux - bug 680798] was: Re: User Agent location

[NoOp]

Started a new thread so that we don't disturb the UAL thread.

NoOp:
>On 08/06/2012 04:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> And there is an easy way to find the profile. Help->Troubleshooting
>> Information and near the top of this clicking on 'Open Directory' for
>> 'Profile Directory'.
>> 
>> Does not work on Linux, though. ;)
>
>Works for me:
>
>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0
>SeaMonkey/2.11

> The above works for you? It has not for me ever. I am now getting
> 
> |Timestamp: 08.08.2012 00:42:34
> |Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
> |(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
> |Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
> |Line: 555
> 
> in the error console for 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0)
> Gecko/2012080719 SeaMonkey/2.14a1-h'
> 
> And there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680798
> 
> Hartmut



At first I thought that the error might be 64bit related, but after
multiple tests between 32bit and 64bit I' stumped. Here are my results
(feel free to copy them to the bug report):

Firefox - Ubuntu 12.04

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0

Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:36:55 PM
Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure
code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]"  nsresult:
"0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame ::
chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js :: openProfileDirectory :: line
469"  data: no]

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1

Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:49:25 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525


SeaMonkey - Ubuntu 12.04
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120725 Firefox/15.0
SeaMonkey/2.12

Timestamp: 08/10/2012 01:43:45 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525

Firefox - 11.04
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/14.0.1
No Errors - works.

SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0)
Gecko/20120630 Firefox/14.0 SeaMonkey/2.11
No Errors - works.
SeaMonkey Ubuntu 11.04 - Clean test profile:
No Errors - works.

SeaMonkey - Ubuntu 12.04 using the ~/.mozilla/seamonkey folder from the
11.04 install

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120725
Firefox/15.0 SeaMonkey/2.12
Build identifier: 20120725204016
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 02:44:44 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0)
Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 02:49:51 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525

Firefox Ubuntu 12.04 32bit

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1
No errors - works.

SeaMonkey Ubuntu 12.04 32bit

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0
Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14a1
Build identifier: 20120810003003
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:02:24 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 555

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120715
Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:26:40 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525
Note: same with safe mode and a clean 'test' profile.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120801 Firefox/15.0
SeaMonkey/2.12 (b3)
Build identifier: 20120801223740
Timestamp: 08/10/2012 03:40:24 PM
Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsILocalFile.reveal]
Source File: chrome://global/content/aboutSupport.js
Line: 525




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Re: User Agent location

[»Q«]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:31:00 +0200
Hartmut Figge  wrote:

> »Q«:

> My thunar is not used by either. That may be because i do not use any
> desktop environment. thunar settings fails with
> 
> hafi@i5_64 ~ $ thunar-settings
> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
> org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files
> 
> Maybe inter alia the revenge for emerging thunar with -dbus. ;)

I think you're right.  I just reinstalled thunar with -dbus and now when
I run xfce4-settings-manager and try to select the file manager module,
I too get "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files".
Uninstalling thunar makes the file manager module disappear, which at
least avoids the error.

Since creating those config files didn't work for you, there must be
some magic running to make it work for me.  I suspect now that at the
least, getting SeaMonkey to open a file manager requires dbus and a
dbus-enabled manager.

> >I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read
> >mozilla.general as well,
> 
> Well so far nobody has complained.

Once you bring up the idea of complaining, it's guaranteed to start. ;)

> >if you want to take it there. But now I don't even know if there's
> >anything else to explore about this.
> 
> You could suggest what i should do so that about:support works with
> thunar. :-D

My best suggestion now is to wait for bug 680798.


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Re: Mail Notification - Choices?

[Jens Hatlak]

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

SM will notify me when new mail comes in to one or more of my mail accounts
but that is singular - one notification for all selected accounts.  Is there
a way to have some variations like:
different notices for different accounts,
or for different subfolders in different accounts,
or different actions in Message Filters.


Try this:


HTH

Jens

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Re: User Agent location

[Larry S.]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Philip TAYLOR:

Hartmut Figge wrote:


I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read
mozilla.general as well,



Well so far nobody has complained.


I would respectfully suggest that that is because 99.9% of
us have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.
I have a reasonable vocabulary, but the following ?words?
are completely meaningless to me :


thunar, gvfs, filepicker, dbus, dolphin (aquatic mammal ?), *picker*,
gtk,  picker,


You do have a point. 'filepicker' btw. 'picker' belongs to all SMs, the
rest to Linux. You are using Win, so there is no need for you to know
the others. But, SM is not *only* used on Win. ;)


How do I manage to use Seamonkey without understanding any of them,
I am forced to ask ...


The problem discussed is 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory' under
about:support. That works for Win, but not for Linux.

So it is necessary to involve Linux.

Hartmut

All well and good, but shouldn't this have been under a new, Linux-only 
topic? It is only tangentially related to "User Agent Location", and 
might be better understood to be about "Open Directory Under Linux", 
wouldn't it?


Larry S.
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Re: User Agent location

[Hartmut Figge]

Philip TAYLOR:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:
>
 I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read
 mozilla.general as well,
>
>> Well so far nobody has complained.
>
>I would respectfully suggest that that is because 99.9% of
>us have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.
>I have a reasonable vocabulary, but the following ?words?
>are completely meaningless to me :
>
>> thunar, gvfs, filepicker, dbus, dolphin (aquatic mammal ?), *picker*,
>> gtk,  picker,

You do have a point. 'filepicker' btw. 'picker' belongs to all SMs, the
rest to Linux. You are using Win, so there is no need for you to know
the others. But, SM is not *only* used on Win. ;)

>How do I manage to use Seamonkey without understanding any of them,
>I am forced to ask ...

The problem discussed is 'Open Directory' for 'Profile Directory' under
about:support. That works for Win, but not for Linux.

So it is necessary to involve Linux.

Hartmut
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Re: User Agent location

[Philip TAYLOR]

Hartmut Figge wrote:


I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read
mozilla.general as well,



Well so far nobody has complained.


I would respectfully suggest that that is because 99.9% of
us have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.
I have a reasonable vocabulary, but the following ?words?
are completely meaningless to me :


thunar, gvfs, filepicker, dbus, dolphin (aquatic mammal ?), *picker*,
gtk,  picker,


How do I manage to use Seamonkey without understanding any of them,
I am forced to ask ...

Philip Taylor
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Re: User Agent location

[Hartmut Figge]

»Q«:
>On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:09:12 +0200

>> Emerging thunar would still get me 14 new packages i do not want. I
>> doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker.
>
>I'm sorry, I gave bad info.  With the dbus flag, thunar does still
>pull in gvfs, and I still had gvfs.

With "-dbus -xfce_plugins_trash" installation of thunar is bearable.
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/th120810.png (32 KB)

>I don't actually use thunar, so now I've uninstalled both thunar and 
>gvfs.  SeaMonkey still opens dolphin as the file manager.

So gvfs is expendable. But dolphin is out of the question. That would
result in 'Total: 78 packages (74 new, 2 in new slots, 2 reinstalls),
Size of downloads: 320,255 kB'. *g*

>> I doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker.
>
>Not the *picker* -- SM can only use the gtk picker or the Mozilla
>one.  But I do have SM using the file *manager* that I want, to open
>directories either from the download manager or about:support.

My thunar is not used by either. That may be because i do not use any
desktop environment. thunar settings fails with

hafi@i5_64 ~ $ thunar-settings
Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files

Maybe inter alia the revenge for emerging thunar with -dbus. ;)

hafi@i5_64 ~ $ cat ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc
TerminalEmulator=Terminal
MailReader=sylpheed-claws
FileManager=custom-FileManager

hafi@i5_64 ~ $ cat ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/custom-FileManager.desktop
custom-FileManager.desktop
[Desktop Entry]
NoDisplay=true
Version=1.0
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=X-XFCE-Helper
X-XFCE-Category=FileManager
X-XFCE-CommandsWithParameter=thunar "%s"
Icon=thunar
Name=thunar
X-XFCE-Commands=thunar

I do not have sylpheed-claws and TerminalEmulator should probably be
xterm, but thunar-settings points to another problem.

>> All of this has much to do with Gentoo but little with SeaMonkey and i
>> believe we should stop discussing this on
>> mozilla.support.seamonkey. ;)
>
>I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read
>mozilla.general as well,

Well so far nobody has complained.

>if you want to take it there. But now I don't even know if there's
>anything else to explore about this.

You could suggest what i should do so that about:support works with
thunar. :-D

Hartmut
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Re: User Agent location

[»Q«]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:09:12 +0200
Hartmut Figge  wrote:

> »Q«:  
 
> >FWIW, my useflags for thunar are "dbus libnotify pcre
> >startup-notification -debug -exif -test -udev -xfce_plugins_trash".
> 
> I have duplicated this
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [...]
> [ebuild  N ] xfce-base/thunar-1.4.0  USE="dbus libnotify pcre
> startup-notification -debug -exif -test -udev" XFCE_PLUGINS="-trash"
> 
> Emerging thunar would still get me 14 new packages i do not want. I
> doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker.

I'm sorry, I gave bad info.  With the dbus flag, thunar does still
pull in gvfs, and I still had gvfs.

I don't actually use thunar, so now I've uninstalled both thunar and 
gvfs.  SeaMonkey still opens dolphin as the file manager.

> I doubt thunar without gvfs can replace the filepicker.

Not the *picker* -- SM can only use the gtk picker or the Mozilla
one.  But I do have SM using the file *manager* that I want, to open
directories either from the download manager or about:support. 

> All of this has much to do with Gentoo but little with SeaMonkey and i
> believe we should stop discussing this on
> mozilla.support.seamonkey. ;)

I still think there's enough to do with SeaMonkey, but I read
mozilla.general as well, if you want to take it there.  But now I don't
even know if there's anything else to explore about this.

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Re: Mail Notification - Choices?

[G. Ross]

JohnW-Mpls wrote:


SM will notify me when new mail comes in to one or more of my mail accounts
but that is singular - one notification for all selected accounts.  Is there
a way to have some variations like:
different notices for different accounts,
or for different subfolders in different accounts,
or different actions in Message Filters.

SM handles multiple email addresses and has good ways to specify separation
of messages based upon message content.  I'd just like to build on that
capability for notification of selected messages.

Any hope for this?


I don't keep SM open, so I use PopTray.  It is a little program that 
is very flexible.  I have it set to check my mail every 15 minutes. 
It shows a different color flag in the system tray with the number of 
new messages in each account.  It will give a sound if you like.  It 
can be programmed to delete messages from any senders you select.  I 
have used it for years and like it a lot.


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Re: Increased crashes/instability on SM 2.11 linux x64?

[Robert Kaiser]

Jesse Molina schrieb:

I am seeing much increased instability in seamonkey 2.11 on Linux, amd64
version.


Are you using Google as a start page? The recent sports game doodles 
have caused crashes, but Google changed them slightly to avoid them. A 
real fix in Mozilla code is being prepared now, I hope we'll also be 
able to put it into 2.12 before it ships.


Robert Kaiser

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Re: Increased crashes/instability on SM 2.11 linux x64?

[Ant]

On 8/9/2012 11:54 PM PT, Jesse Molina typed:


I am seeing much increased instability in seamonkey 2.11 on Linux, amd64
version.

Can anyone else using SM linux confirm or deny?

I did a memtest86+ overnight just a few days ago to check and everything
came up clean.


Mine is still stable. Did you try a new profile, disable 
addons/extensions/plugins (e.g., Flash)?

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Re: Mail Notification - Choices?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

JohnW-Mpls wrote:


SM will notify me when new mail comes in to one or more of my mail accounts
but that is singular - one notification for all selected accounts.  Is there
a way to have some variations like:
different notices for different accounts,
or for different subfolders in different accounts,
or different actions in Message Filters.

SM handles multiple email addresses and has good ways to specify separation
of messages based upon message content.  I'd just like to build on that
capability for notification of selected messages.

Any hope for this?


There's already one slight difference -- the little popup message in the 
Windows tray includes the account name. I forget the exact wording, but 
it's something like " has new messages."


Not much, but there it is...

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Mail Notification - Choices?

[JohnW-Mpls]

SM will notify me when new mail comes in to one or more of my mail accounts
but that is singular - one notification for all selected accounts.  Is there
a way to have some variations like:
different notices for different accounts,
or for different subfolders in different accounts,
or different actions in Message Filters.

SM handles multiple email addresses and has good ways to specify separation
of messages based upon message content.  I'd just like to build on that
capability for notification of selected messages.

Any hope for this?


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Re: image display in flickr or facebook

[Daniel]

sean nathan wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 08/09/2012 04:07 PM:



Hartmut Figge wrote:


I do not see 'all sizes' on that page. But i may be blind. ;)


More likely, not looking unde "Actions".


thanks phillip, they've changed the drop down menus lately... actions
then all sizes...

but i shouldn't have to do that...

there's no photo showing where it should be...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/casoulbyrd/4501943062/in/photosof-casoulbyrd/

i just see the thumbnails to the right, scrolling thru them just give me
more blank white photospace... i just disabled the shockwave flash
plugins and clicked on the "check to see if your plugins are up to date:



I see what looks like women in a frilly skirt with her legs reflected in 
a window with leaves on a pathway outside.



For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Java.
Please upgrade to the latest version.


okay... have downloaded the/jre-7u5-linux-x64.tar.gz now... being a
relative linux n00b, where does one unpack the tar.gz to exactly?

sean



Sean, go back to where you downloaded the tar.gz file from and you 
should find a link to installation instructions.


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Re: Increased crashes/instability on SM 2.11 linux x64?

[Daniel]

Jesse Molina wrote:


I am seeing much increased instability in seamonkey 2.11 on Linux, amd64
version.

Can anyone else using SM linux confirm or deny?

I did a memtest86+ overnight just a few days ago to check and everything
came up clean.



Not a problem for me on Mandriva Linux 2009.0!!

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:14.0) 
Gecko/20120715 Firefox/14.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.11


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