Re: mozdev.org
On 2/11/2014 9:00 PM, Trane Francks wrote: On 2/12/14 10:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 2/11/14 8:49 PM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 10/02/2014 20:37, chokito wrote: Why is the site mozdev.org inactive? Our 10 year old server is having hardware problems. Anyone know how much a new server costs? Phil Anywhere from several hundred to over 10 grand, entirely dependent upon the hardware configuration, support contracts, etc. being purchased. Trolling the Dell site should give you some clearer ideas once you have a configuration in mind. I figured Chee was asking rhetorically, but regardless I believe the budget is exactly $0.00 per month so it might be a while. GW Yeah. Moreover, the problem is exacerbated by the fact that build machines don't exactly have an easy life. Cheap, commodity servers often don't last long doing build duty. if mozdev.org is a 501c3 with IRS # then gifts to it are tax-deductible ! Why not persue the gift angle? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
On 2/11/2014 9:02 PM, Trane Francks wrote: On 2/12/14 7:25 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote: I have an old windows XP pc and the installed SM is at version 2.8. Can i pass in one step to 2.24 ? (by, saving the profile, de-installing 2.8 and installing 2.24) You can upgrade in-place from 2.8 directly to 2.24 without uninstalling. Just Check for Updates from within the application itself and have at it. Always good to do a backup beforehand, though. Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as attachment
Which is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as an attachment? For raw text InLine is clearly better. For email in MIME encoding either method seems to work equally well. For email with JPG attachments either method appears to work fine. But For fwd of email in HTML it makes a difference depending on what client is sending and what client is receiving. When pictures are embedded in HTML a number of strange things will happen. Sometimes you may see a bunch of broken-pictures then the actual pictures. Sometimes your recipient will say it would be better with the pictures. As a snob user of only SeaMonkey I can't identify with users of Outlook whatever ;-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
On 02/12/2014 10:55 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:02 PM, Trane Francks wrote: On 2/12/14 7:25 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote: I have an old windows XP pc and the installed SM is at version 2.8. Can i pass in one step to 2.24 ? (by, saving the profile, de-installing 2.8 and installing 2.24) You can upgrade in-place from 2.8 directly to 2.24 without uninstalling. Just Check for Updates from within the application itself and have at it. Always good to do a backup beforehand, though. Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) Well actually it is 2.8. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.8/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as attachment
Rick Merrill a écrit : Which is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as an attachment? For raw text InLine is clearly better. For email in MIME encoding either method seems to work equally well. For email with JPG attachments either method appears to work fine. But For fwd of email in HTML it makes a difference depending on what client is sending and what client is receiving. When pictures are embedded in HTML a number of strange things will happen. Sometimes you may see a bunch of broken-pictures then the actual pictures. Sometimes your recipient will say it would be better with the pictures. As a snob user of only SeaMonkey I can't identify with users of Outlook whatever ;-) For raw text there is no difference. It is still raw text. And in SM at least, a raw text attachment can always be viewed inline. Other things should be sent as attachments. If sent as an attachment, in has a separate MIME code, which tells the receiving program how to display it. BTW, nothing snob about using a better program ;) -- André ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
Rick Merrill a écrit : Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) I would find it annoying too, if 24 were greater than 80. That happens on what planet ? -- André ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as attachment
On 2/12/2014 8:02 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: Which is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as an attachment? For raw text InLine is clearly better. For email in MIME encoding either method seems to work equally well. For email with JPG attachments either method appears to work fine. But For fwd of email in HTML it makes a difference depending on what client is sending and what client is receiving. When pictures are embedded in HTML a number of strange things will happen. Sometimes you may see a bunch of broken-pictures then the actual pictures. Sometimes your recipient will say it would be better with the pictures. As a snob user of only SeaMonkey I can't identify with users of Outlook whatever ;-) Since many people block attachments or at least do not allow them to be opened automatically, I feel that inline is the only choice. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
Rick Merrill wrote: [...] Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) In version numbers, the dot is not a decimal point. That means Version 2.8 is not 2.80 and 2.8 2.24 2.80. Comes clear when you think about the major.minor.patchlevel scheme. Just my 2cc, Wolfgang -- You say you are lying. But if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth. You cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie, you tell the truth ... but you cannot, for you lie. -- Norman the android, I, Mudd, stardate 4513.3 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as attachment
David E. Ross wrote: Since many people block attachments or at least do not allow them to be opened automatically, I feel that inline is the only choice. Unless, of course, you know the recipient's policy and preferences. It's been known to happen -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
Rick Merrill wrote: Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) Where have you ever come across SM 2.80? Have you been using Dr. Emmett Brown's specially configured DeLorean? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Restore Previous Session
Restore Previous Session fails after doing a SeaMonkey update. When the 'restart SeaMonkey' prompt comes up I tell SeaMonkey to NOT clear anything (history, cookies, etc.) and yet, upon the restart, the only thing that opens is mail and the SeaMonkey start page. What am I missing so that when I restart the same browser windows and tabs open as before doing the update? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
On 2/13/14 12:55 AM +0900, Rick Merrill wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:02 PM, Trane Francks wrote: On 2/12/14 7:25 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote: I have an old windows XP pc and the installed SM is at version 2.8. Can i pass in one step to 2.24 ? (by, saving the profile, de-installing 2.8 and installing 2.24) You can upgrade in-place from 2.8 directly to 2.24 without uninstalling. Just Check for Updates from within the application itself and have at it. Always good to do a backup beforehand, though. Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) Agreed. If the minor version number is going to be allowed to extend to multiple places, it needs to express them from the outset: 2.09, 2.10, 2.11. -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
On 2/13/14 2:09 AM +0900, Wolfgang Steger wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: [...] Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) In version numbers, the dot is not a decimal point. That means Version 2.8 is not 2.80 and 2.8 2.24 2.80. Comes clear when you think about the major.minor.patchlevel scheme. Just my 2cc, Wolfgang Well, yes, but it's a problem of sorting algorithms. If you have a directory full of different versions, the listing will be sorted according to alphabet and numeric ascendancy. That means that when it comes to file systems, 2.8 most assuredly IS greater than 2.24. There's also no reason whatsoever that minor and patch-level releases cannot (or even should not) be padded to the number of expected places, e.g., 2.08.03. That keeps the versions obvious and the sorting simple to read. -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as attachment
On 2/13/14 1:02 AM +0900, Rick Merrill wrote: Which is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as an attachment? For raw text InLine is clearly better. For email in MIME encoding either method seems to work equally well. For email with JPG attachments either method appears to work fine. But For fwd of email in HTML it makes a difference depending on what client is sending and what client is receiving. When pictures are embedded in HTML a number of strange things will happen. Sometimes you may see a bunch of broken-pictures then the actual pictures. Sometimes your recipient will say it would be better with the pictures. As a snob user of only SeaMonkey I can't identify with users of Outlook whatever ;-) Personally, I always use attachments. They're cleaner to look at due to the lack of header splatter all over the message. If you're removing the headers in in-line forwards, you may as well just use Reply instead. -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Previous Session
Frosted Flake wrote: Restore Previous Session fails after doing a SeaMonkey update. When the 'restart SeaMonkey' prompt comes up I tell SeaMonkey to NOT clear anything (history, cookies, etc.) and yet, upon the restart, the only thing that opens is mail and the SeaMonkey start page. What am I missing so that when I restart the same browser windows and tabs open as before doing the update? In my experience, SM always opens the release notes first after an update, but if you open another browser window immediately, the rest is still there. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Previous Session
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Frosted Flake wrote: Restore Previous Session fails after doing a SeaMonkey update. When the 'restart SeaMonkey' prompt comes up I tell SeaMonkey to NOT clear anything (history, cookies, etc.) and yet, upon the restart, the only thing that opens is mail and the SeaMonkey start page. What am I missing so that when I restart the same browser windows and tabs open as before doing the update? In my experience, SM always opens the release notes first after an update, but if you open another browser window immediately, the rest is still there. Will try that with the next update. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
Interviewed by CNN on 12/02/2014 20:33, Trane Francks told the world: There's also no reason whatsoever that minor and patch-level releases cannot (or even should not) be padded to the number of expected places, e.g., 2.08.03. That keeps the versions obvious and the sorting simple to read. That assumes that, when creating the *first* release of a product, people know how many sub-releases are there going to be sometime in the future. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my abacus. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
Trane Francks wrote, On 12/02/2014 23:24: On 2/13/14 12:55 AM +0900, Rick Merrill wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:02 PM, Trane Francks wrote: On 2/12/14 7:25 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote: I have an old windows XP pc and the installed SM is at version 2.8. Can i pass in one step to 2.24 ? (by, saving the profile, de-installing 2.8 and installing 2.24) You can upgrade in-place from 2.8 directly to 2.24 without uninstalling. Just Check for Updates from within the application itself and have at it. Always good to do a backup beforehand, though. Version Numbers always annoy me when 2.24 is greater than 2.80 !-) Agreed. If the minor version number is going to be allowed to extend to multiple places, it needs to express them from the outset: 2.09, 2.10, 2.11. and not 2.9, 2.10, 2.11. Because when you sort the list show in ascending order 2.10, 2.11,2.9 telling us that the 2.9 version is grater than the 2.10 version. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as attachment
Trane Francks wrote, On 12/02/2014 23:35: On 2/13/14 1:02 AM +0900, Rick Merrill wrote: Which is the more reliable way to forward emails: inline or as an attachment? For raw text InLine is clearly better. For email in MIME encoding either method seems to work equally well. For email with JPG attachments either method appears to work fine. But For fwd of email in HTML it makes a difference depending on what client is sending and what client is receiving. When pictures are embedded in HTML a number of strange things will happen. Sometimes you may see a bunch of broken-pictures then the actual pictures. Sometimes your recipient will say it would be better with the pictures. As a snob user of only SeaMonkey I can't identify with users of Outlook whatever ;-) Personally, I always use attachments. They're cleaner to look at due to the lack of header splatter all over the message. If you're removing the headers in in-line forwards, you may as well just use Reply instead. BUT, if you want to remove only some part of the headers forward is better. And, due to the fact that SM will not permit me when i do a Reply to insert the quoting of the headers .. i am obliged to NEVER use the Reply and always use Forward the problem now is that i cannot Forward to all ... , so i need to prepare a Reply and prepare a Forward and fiddle . SM developper did not want to have an option to quote headers when we do a reply, just and only just because microsoft product do it ggrr.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Autocomplete addressing messages problem
select Compose message type me in address location (without quotes), knowing full-well I am the ONLY me in my address book. Not only does my address not come up as the first in the auto-complete list of choices, but the first choice doesn't even start with the letters me. wth? Anyone else? GW SM 2.24, on OS X (10.9) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Autocomplete addressing messages problem
On 2/12/2014 6:04 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: select Compose message type me in address location (without quotes), knowing full-well I am the ONLY me in my address book. Not only does my address not come up as the first in the auto-complete list of choices, but the first choice doesn't even start with the letters me. wth? Anyone else? GW SM 2.24, on OS X (10.9) Windows 7 (x64) Thunderbird 24.3.0 My addressbook contains an entry for me. The name fields are David, Ross, and David Ross. The nickname is me. If I start to compose a new E-mail message and type me on the To: line, the entry for me appears, along with several others that contain the characters me somewhere in the nickname, name fields, or actual E-mail address. Actually, the pull-down selection list is sufficiently long that it has a vertical scrollbar. Since SeaMonkey's mail-news components are substaintially cloned from Thunderbird, I would expect this to work there, too. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Autocomplete addressing messages problem
Geoff Welsh wrote: select Compose message type me in address location (without quotes), knowing full-well I am the ONLY me in my address book. Not only does my address not come up as the first in the auto-complete list of choices, but the first choice doesn't even start with the letters me. wth? Anyone else? On my system, if I begin typing me, I get a list of candidates all containing the string me in their name or email address. As luck would have it, none /begin/ with that string, but they all /contain/ it. Thus, if I had you in my address book and began by typing Welsh, your entry would be among those offered. I think that's good, because if I have a couple of dozen Johns, it's easier to select by last name. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Autocomplete addressing messages problem
David E. Ross wrote: On 2/12/2014 6:04 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: select Compose message type me in address location (without quotes), knowing full-well I am the ONLY me in my address book. Not only does my address not come up as the first in the auto-complete list of choices, but the first choice doesn't even start with the letters me. wth? Anyone else? GW SM 2.24, on OS X (10.9) Windows 7 (x64) Thunderbird 24.3.0 My addressbook contains an entry for me. The name fields are David, Ross, and David Ross. The nickname is me. If I start to compose a new E-mail message and type me on the To: line, the entry for me appears, along with several others that contain the characters me somewhere in the nickname, name fields, or actual E-mail address. Actually, the pull-down selection list is sufficiently long that it has a vertical scrollbar. Since SeaMonkey's mail-news components are substaintially cloned from Thunderbird, I would expect this to work there, too. well it's broken in 2.24 on Mac. I reverted to 2.23 and it works normally/correctly again. groan GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
