Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread GerardJan

PhillipJones wrote:

Roger Fink wrote:



 Original Message 


Ed Mullen pounded out :

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.  Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern theme?  Or
am I just losing it?



Hmm.  Made a new profile.  Same squared-off scroll bars I'm used to.
Obviously installing those themes changed something.  And it didn't go
away when I chose Remove in Add-ons Manager.

Closed SM.  Deleted the two theme .xpi files in my old profile.  Started
SM.  Same squared-off scroll bars I'm used to.

I find that pretty strange.


The modified scrollbars are installed separately as an extension.
Uninstalling the extension removes them. Thankfully.

what is the name of this extension.
Maybe they are try out apple's succomorphism (?)




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Re: promises

2014-06-23 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Frosted Flake wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/22/2014 1:15 PM, Rick Merrill wrote:

Promises have been enabled by default. in latest release.

WHAT are promises???



See
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Promise.

  I read it and still do not understand it.  Maybe you will do better.


I did not understand it either.  Since it is so obscure, perhaps, in the
release notes, there should be a (very) large information box with
instructions to disable promises.


How is it any scarier than any other flow-control feature in javascript? 
We're not talking about a financial obligation (a promise to pay) now...


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Re: promises

2014-06-23 Thread Daniel

On 23/06/14 14:09, Frosted Flake wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/22/2014 1:15 PM, Rick Merrill wrote:

Promises have been enabled by default. in latest release.

WHAT are promises???



See
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Promise.

  I read it and still do not understand it.  Maybe you will do better.


I did not understand it either.  Since it is so obscure, perhaps, in the
release notes, there should be a (very) large information box with
instructions to disable promises.


Sounds like gobbledygook to me, too!!

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Re: promises

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

On 06/22/2014 04:15 PM, Rick Merrill wrote:

Promises have been enabled by default. in latest release.

WHAT are promises???




Improvements for the developers.


Promise offers better asynchronous control to JavaScript code.


http://blog.timc.idv.tw/posts/use-promise-and-what-to-watch-out-if-you-dont/


It makes really messy code easy to read again.


https://alexvincent.us/blog/?p=794


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Re: promises

2014-06-23 Thread Philip Chee
On 23/06/2014 04:15, Rick Merrill wrote:
 Promises have been enabled by default. in latest release.
 
 WHAT are promises???

I believe Mozilla adheres to the Promises/A+ spec (There are several
versions of Promises {sometimes called Futures} floating around in the web):
http://promisesaplus.com/

JavaScript Promises,There and back again
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/

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Re: how to delete list of recent URLs visited? P.S. Now Recycle bin Items Are Hidden

2014-06-23 Thread bdelmee

Hi Mort, It seems doubtful this second problem is related,
seamonkey/firefox do not even maintain their bookmarks/history
etc in regular files like IE, but rather in sqlite databases.

Did you reboot your machine in between ? Windows explorer is
known to forget which icons to display for a given file type,
occasionally (though I have not seen this as much on win7,
but definitely on XP)

Note that the shortcut to invoke the clear private data
is CtrlShitDel

Mort wrote, On 2014-06-23 04:51:

Hi,

I do not know if this is connected with my recent problem, but I hope
not. Now, when I click onto my Recycle Bin, there are no icons to
indicate the items that are in the bin. When I click onto Empty Recycle
Bin, then I get a message about deleting x items, X = the number of
items there. With no name and no icon, I no longer know what items are
in fact in the recycle bin. I did not stop recycle bin history when I
reset my PC, just the history in the tool bar.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, again.

Mort Linder


Mort wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/12/2014 7:45 AM, Mort wrote:

Hi,

I'm running the latest iteration of SM, with Windows XP and 7 , on
separate PCs. To the right of the upper toolbar is a small icon which,
when clicked on, shows a dropdown list of recently visited URLs. How
can
I delete that list after I am done with it?

Thanks.

Mort Linder



1.  On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit  Preferences].

2.  On the left side of the Preferences window, select [Privacy 
Security  Private Data].

3,  On the Private Data pane, check the checkbox for Location Bar
History (along with any of the other checkboxes you want).

4.  If you always want the history cleared when you termminate
SeaMonkey, also check the checkbox for Always clear my private data
when I close SeaMonkey on the Private Data pane.

5.  If you want the data cleared immediately, select the Clear Now
button on the Private Data pane.

NOTE WELL:  Private data consists only of those items for which you
already checked checkboxes on the Private Data pane below When I ask
SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase:.



Hi David,

It worked beautifully,and I thank you very much. Like many things in
life, it seems easy when you know how. I am so glad that you know how,
and were kind enough to tell me.

Regards,

Mort Linder




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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread Ed Mullen

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.  Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the 
two links:


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/

Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to 
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons 
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager 
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first

cited.

There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that 
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.


The only way to solve it was deleting the .xpi folders/files.

VERY poor practice/design.


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/

Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion 
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.


http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you 
expected it to not change your Modern theme?


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread Rufus

WaltS48 wrote:

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.  Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



On the Mac version these are hidden to an extent - they certainly didn't 
show up in my Add-on list...and they have/had random character .xpi 
names.  I had to fish out the offenders by trial and error to get rid of 
them.  So I have zero idea of just what they were, were doing...or what 
*else* they might have been doing.


So beware - this is just one more way you can have your machine compromised!

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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread Rufus

WaltS48 wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/



https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/

Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


*Yes* and *YES* - I expect all Themes to be self contained...one of them 
should not have any effect on any of the others.


From now on I'll be watching for ones that install anything outside of 
themselves.


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

On 06/23/2014 03:06 PM, Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



On the Mac version these are hidden to an extent - they certainly didn't
show up in my Add-on list...and they have/had random character .xpi
names.  I had to fish out the offenders by trial and error to get rid of
them.  So I have zero idea of just what they were, were doing...or what
*else* they might have been doing.

So beware - this is just one more way you can have your machine
compromised!




So, maybe you should get involved, and notify the theme developer. The 
support link is on the AMO pages, and the mozillaZine post I linked to 
in my OP.


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

On 06/23/2014 03:09 PM, Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another
one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/




https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/


Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


*Yes* and *YES* - I expect all Themes to be self contained...one of them
should not have any effect on any of the others.

 From now on I'll be watching for ones that install anything outside of
themselves.



You should have noticed that with these two themes. Not to mention users 
should do that with all software.


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Re: how to delete list of recent URLs visited? P.S. Now Recycle bin Items Are Hidden

2014-06-23 Thread Mort

bdelmee wrote:

Did you reboot your machine in between ? Windows explorer is
known to forget which icons to display for a given file type,
occasionally (though I have not seen this as much on win7,
but definitely on XP)



Yes, I did reboot a few times. Occasionally, Windows seems to do things 
on its own. I know that XP is old and not supported, and will get rid of 
it as soon as I can transfer all my data to my newer Windows 7 PC.


Thanks,

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Re: promises

2014-06-23 Thread EE

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/22/2014 04:15 PM, Rick Merrill wrote:

Promises have been enabled by default. in latest release.

WHAT are promises???




Improvements for the developers.


Promise offers better asynchronous control to JavaScript code.


http://blog.timc.idv.tw/posts/use-promise-and-what-to-watch-out-if-you-dont/



It makes really messy code easy to read again.


https://alexvincent.us/blog/?p=794



What would synchronous control to javascript code entail?

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Re: promises

2014-06-23 Thread EE

Frosted Flake wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/22/2014 1:15 PM, Rick Merrill wrote:

Promises have been enabled by default. in latest release.

WHAT are promises???



See
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Promise.

  I read it and still do not understand it.  Maybe you will do better.


I did not understand it either.  Since it is so obscure, perhaps, in the
release notes, there should be a (very) large information box with
instructions to disable promises.


From what I could get from that page, the promise depends on the value 
of a proxy, which I gather is a kind of variable.  So, I guess it would 
be like:


if x=12 then do something

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Re: promises

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

On 06/23/2014 05:17 PM, EE wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/22/2014 04:15 PM, Rick Merrill wrote:

Promises have been enabled by default. in latest release.

WHAT are promises???




Improvements for the developers.


Promise offers better asynchronous control to JavaScript code.


http://blog.timc.idv.tw/posts/use-promise-and-what-to-watch-out-if-you-dont/




It makes really messy code easy to read again.


https://alexvincent.us/blog/?p=794



What would synchronous control to javascript code entail?




I am not a coder, so I would not know. Don't care.

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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread EE

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.  Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...


No, and I have never seen that happen.

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Can we rename messages somehow?

2014-06-23 Thread Geoff Welsh
sometimes I wanna save a message with important information, and after a 
while there's tons of them, and some of the Subject titles are useless 
to jog my memory


Can we rename messages somehow?  i.e. change the Subject line?

Edit as New and then changing the subject, and then sending it to 
myself seems a cheesy workaround.


GW
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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread EE

Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



On the Mac version these are hidden to an extent - they certainly didn't
show up in my Add-on list...and they have/had random character .xpi
names.  I had to fish out the offenders by trial and error to get rid of
them.  So I have zero idea of just what they were, were doing...or what
*else* they might have been doing.

So beware - this is just one more way you can have your machine
compromised!

If you examine the content of the installer .xpi archive, you can see if 
there is another file in addition to the theme in there.  I do see that, 
since I always change things in themes.  I have yet to find a perfect theme.


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Re: Can we rename messages somehow?

2014-06-23 Thread David E. Ross
On 6/23/2014 3:52 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
 sometimes I wanna save a message with important information, and after a 
 while there's tons of them, and some of the Subject titles are useless 
 to jog my memory
 
 Can we rename messages somehow?  i.e. change the Subject line?
 
 Edit as New and then changing the subject, and then sending it to 
 myself seems a cheesy workaround.
 
 GW
 

On the menu bar, go to [File  Save As  File].  Change the name in the
Save Message As navigation window to the name you really want, and save
it to a folder for such messages.  When you go to open such a file (an
.eml file), it will open in a SeaMonkey Mail-News window.

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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread Rufus

EE wrote:

Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



On the Mac version these are hidden to an extent - they certainly didn't
show up in my Add-on list...and they have/had random character .xpi
names.  I had to fish out the offenders by trial and error to get rid of
them.  So I have zero idea of just what they were, were doing...or what
*else* they might have been doing.

So beware - this is just one more way you can have your machine
compromised!


If you examine the content of the installer .xpi archive, you can see if
there is another file in addition to the theme in there.  I do see that,
since I always change things in themes.  I have yet to find a perfect
theme.



I don't have a .xpi archive with a Mac Profile...at least not one that I 
can determine.  I managed to find the offending files in the Extensions 
Folder, but even then I had to do some scrounging as they had randomized 
file names.  In fact, *most* of the filespecs in my Extensions Folder 
are randomized characters.


Anyway, once I had the hint I managed to get rid of what I needed to to 
return appearances to normal.


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread Rufus

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/23/2014 03:09 PM, Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another
one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the
theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/





https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/



Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


*Yes* and *YES* - I expect all Themes to be self contained...one of them
should not have any effect on any of the others.

 From now on I'll be watching for ones that install anything outside of
themselves.



You should have noticed that with these two themes. Not to mention users
should do that with all software.



...I'll be noticing from now on, that's for sure...and I probably won't 
be installing any more Themes, seeing as how SM Modern suits my tastes 
just fine.


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread Ed Mullen

WaltS48 pounded out :

On 06/23/2014 03:09 PM, Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another
one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the
theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/





https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/



Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


*Yes* and *YES* - I expect all Themes to be self contained...one of them
should not have any effect on any of the others.

 From now on I'll be watching for ones that install anything outside of
themselves.



You should have noticed that with these two themes. Not to mention users
should do that with all software.



NO!  It's an official Mozilla site.  The install purported to only 
install a theme, nothing else, and made no Mention of the theme 
breaking/modifying a standard Mozilla build.  But it did.  BAD!!!  Bad 
on the author's part and bad on Mozilla's part.


And, frankly, stupid on both their parts.

Is this enough bad publicity for both of them?



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Re: Can we rename messages somehow?

2014-06-23 Thread Geoff Welsh

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/2014 3:52 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:

sometimes I wanna save a message with important information, and after a
while there's tons of them, and some of the Subject titles are useless
to jog my memory

Can we rename messages somehow?  i.e. change the Subject line?

Edit as New and then changing the subject, and then sending it to
myself seems a cheesy workaround.

GW



On the menu bar, go to [File  Save As  File].  Change the name in the
Save Message As navigation window to the name you really want, and save
it to a folder for such messages.  When you go to open such a file (an
.eml file), it will open in a SeaMonkey Mail-News window.



that's saving a message as a file outside of SM entirely, not renaming a 
message.  I'd seen that.


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

On 06/23/2014 08:51 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another
one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/




https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/


Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


I expected to only install what the mozilla.addons told me I was
installing.  And, as far as I can tell, that is only what was installed.



Well, I guess you are as blind as a bat if you can't see the two items 
in each screen shot I posted links for, that mozilla.addons told me I 
would be installing. Probably didn't look at them.


How about taking one so we can see what you were offered to install.




The author of this extension/theme needs to fix his mess.



So tell him on his support site.



And, while, the addons.mozilla pages state a caution that mozilla has
not reviewd the extension, Mozilla needs to adjust its policies.  This
is totally unaccepable that something hosted on Mozilla breaks a basic
Mozilla sw build.  The extension  should NOT be hosted at an official
Mozilla site.




All themes change the default theme of SeaMonkey, Firefox or 
Thunderbird, because the developer didn't like the default themes.


The Modern theme in SeaMonkey changes the default theme.


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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

On 06/23/2014 08:55 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

On 06/23/2014 03:09 PM, Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another
one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the
theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/






https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/




Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


*Yes* and *YES* - I expect all Themes to be self contained...one of them
should not have any effect on any of the others.

 From now on I'll be watching for ones that install anything outside of
themselves.



You should have noticed that with these two themes. Not to mention users
should do that with all software.



NO!  It's an official Mozilla site.  The install purported to only
install a theme, nothing else, and made no Mention of the theme
breaking/modifying a standard Mozilla build.  But it did.  BAD!!!  Bad
on the author's part and bad on Mozilla's part.



What did my two screen shots show? The theme and the scroll bars.

You really don't understand themes. Do you?

SeaMonkey Modern modifies the standard default theme. Some would say it 
breaks it.





And, frankly, stupid on both their parts.

Is this enough bad publicity for both of them?




I see no bad publicity, just a user that doesn't understand themes and 
didn't pay attention to what they were installing.



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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread Ed Mullen

WaltS48 pounded out :

On 06/23/2014 08:55 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

On 06/23/2014 03:09 PM, Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete
Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another
one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the
theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an
extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion
Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked
the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/







https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/





Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons
Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


*Yes* and *YES* - I expect all Themes to be self contained...one of
them
should not have any effect on any of the others.

 From now on I'll be watching for ones that install anything outside of
themselves.



You should have noticed that with these two themes. Not to mention users
should do that with all software.



NO!  It's an official Mozilla site.  The install purported to only
install a theme, nothing else, and made no Mention of the theme
breaking/modifying a standard Mozilla build.  But it did.  BAD!!!  Bad
on the author's part and bad on Mozilla's part.



What did my two screen shots show? The theme and the scroll bars.

You really don't understand themes. Do you?

SeaMonkey Modern modifies the standard default theme. Some would say it
breaks it.




And, frankly, stupid on both their parts.

Is this enough bad publicity for both of them?




I see no bad publicity, just a user that doesn't understand themes and
didn't pay attention to what they were installing.


Walt, you apparently aren't reading what I'm writing, and have not 
directly replied to what I've written so I'm going to ignore you from 
now on.



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Re: Modern Theme

2014-06-23 Thread WaltS48

On 06/23/2014 09:22 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

On 06/23/2014 08:55 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

On 06/23/2014 03:09 PM, Rufus wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

WaltS48 pounded out :

Rufus wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I may be losing my mind.

I tried those themes mentioned in the thread: New Complete
Themes
for
SeaMonkey

I removed them.

I just noticed that the scroll bars in SeaMonkey are different.
Notice
the vertical scroll bars in these screen shots:

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm01b.jpg

http://edmullen.net/temp/sm02.jpg

Umm, have they looked like that before?  Or did temporarily
installing
those themes somehow permanently modify the packaged Modern
theme?  Or
am I just losing it?


Themes do change scrollbars as well as toolbars.



...but they shouldn't persist once you change the Theme to another
one.

Now I'm *really* suspicious...




They do if installed as a separate extension when installing the
theme.

Nobody noticed they were installing two add-ons?

Looking at the  Metal Lion Silver Sea Monkey theme I see an
extension
called Metal Lion Sea Monkey Silver Scrollbars that comes with the
theme. Same for the Sea Monkey Metal Lion theme called Metal Lion
Sea
Monkey Scrollbars II.

I like the Silver theme best.

Check your extensions and remove the scrollbar extension.



I went to the Mozillazine artice cited in the OP.  There I clicked
the
two links:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-silver-sea-monkey/








https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/metal-lion-sea-monkey/






Each points to a Mozilla add-ons page where I clicked the Add to
SeaMonkey buttons.  The only new things that showed up in my
Add-ons
Manager were those two themes.  When I Removed them in Add-ons
Manager
their .xpi folders/files remained behind, causing the issue I first
cited.




Interesting.



There were no Scrollbars extensions shown and zero indication that
something that modifies the Modern theme was going to be installed.




This is what I see when I click Add to SeaMonkey for the Metal Lion
Silver theme. Note I can choose to Cancel or Install Now.

http://imgur.com/KkHJNKn

For the Metal Lion Theme.

http://imgur.com/feuzkAJ

Sorry if you didn't see that there is a Scrollbars extension for each
theme.

You were installing a complete theme, not a lightweight theme, and
you
expected it to not change your Modern theme?

smdh


*Yes* and *YES* - I expect all Themes to be self contained...one of
them
should not have any effect on any of the others.

 From now on I'll be watching for ones that install anything
outside of
themselves.



You should have noticed that with these two themes. Not to mention
users
should do that with all software.



NO!  It's an official Mozilla site.  The install purported to only
install a theme, nothing else, and made no Mention of the theme
breaking/modifying a standard Mozilla build.  But it did.  BAD!!!  Bad
on the author's part and bad on Mozilla's part.



What did my two screen shots show? The theme and the scroll bars.

You really don't understand themes. Do you?

SeaMonkey Modern modifies the standard default theme. Some would say it
breaks it.




And, frankly, stupid on both their parts.

Is this enough bad publicity for both of them?




I see no bad publicity, just a user that doesn't understand themes and
didn't pay attention to what they were installing.



Walt, you apparently aren't reading what I'm writing, and have not
directly replied to what I've written so I'm going to ignore you from
now on.





I'm reading it, and you aren't reading what I am writing. So OK we will 
ignore each other.


Still sorry you don't get it.

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The Linux Rain - SeaMonkey - More than a Web Browser

2014-06-23 Thread Ant

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Re: Can we rename messages somehow?

2014-06-23 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Geoff Welsh wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/2014 3:52 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:

sometimes I wanna save a message with important information, and after a
while there's tons of them, and some of the Subject titles are useless
to jog my memory

Can we rename messages somehow?  i.e. change the Subject line?

Edit as New and then changing the subject, and then sending it to
myself seems a cheesy workaround.

GW



On the menu bar, go to [File  Save As  File].  Change the name in the
Save Message As navigation window to the name you really want, and save
it to a folder for such messages.  When you go to open such a file (an
.eml file), it will open in a SeaMonkey Mail-News window.



that's saving a message as a file outside of SM entirely, not renaming a
message.  I'd seen that.


Well, there's always the hard way:

1) Within SeaMonkey, move the message to a folder where it will be the 
oldest or only message, so it will appear first in the file. If you 
like, create a temporary folder for the purpose. For discussion 
purposes, let's call it FolderName. Ideally, it should have no subfolders.


2) Close SeaMonkey, locate the file FolderName (no extension) in your 
SM profile directory.


3) Open it with Notepad or some other plain-text editor, edit the 
Subject line in the header, save.


4) Relaunch SM, confirm that the subject line has been changed.

5) Drag and drop the message to the folder where you really want to 
archive it.



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