Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Ed Mullen]

On 8/12/2016 at 4:11 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

David E. Ross wrote:

I have reset the size of my cache to 0.  A prior reply in this thread --
about how high-speed broadband makes caching unnecessary


I think what they said about browser caching is true, but I also think
there's no need to mess with the SM cache settings (when everything else
is working normally).

On my own system, I change the cache location to a "local temp" location
to keep it out of my "roaming" profile. This is in order to make backup
easier.



What's your theory here?  Please explain.

I do image backups of the drive holding the profile.  I can restore 
either individual files, selective folders, of the entire profile.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Ed Mullen]

On 8/12/2016 at 7:20 PM, David E. Ross's prodigious digits fired off:

On 8/12/2016 1:04 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.


Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get
slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take
a few seconds to "wake up".


I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.


To clarify this specific point, did you not say "my own on a Web server"
two paragraphs above?



I launched SeaMonkey, which brought up a home page that is an HTML file
residing on an internal hard drive on my PC.  That home page is an
export of my bookmarks, automatically generated when I previously
terminated SeaMonkey.  I then selected the bookmark for my own Web
stite's home page, not the version also on my hard drive but instead the
version that is on my ISP's server.  That is when I observed a delay.  I
then returned to my home page, cleared my cache, and again selected the
link to my Web site's home page.  There was no delay.

NOTE WELL:  There are TWO "home pages" involved here.  One is the page I
get when I select the Home button on SeaMonkey's tool bar or [Go > Home]
on SeaMonkey's menu bar.  That page is displayed when I launch
SeaMonkey.  The other one is the index page of my Web site; it is at
.



When I start my PC it launches a local Web server, WAMP.  When I launch 
any browser it loads a .php page on that server as its home page.  That 
home page uses a local CSS style sheet.


My "home" pages buttons are programmed to go to that .php file.

It is this customization that endears SeaMonkey to me.

I rarely use Firefox, mostly for use in the Firefox support group.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

On 8/12/2016 1:24 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
>> visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
>> and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.
>>
>> I have the blue circle throbber on my menu bar.  With the first Web page
>> after launching, it does not "bubble" right away.  Instead, there is a
>> delay of 2-3 seconds.
> 
> Reading this again, I think I misunderstood what you were reporting. I 
> read the first paragraph, and assumed you were saying SM was slow to 
> launch (slow to render the main window for the first time).
> 
> Now looking at the second paragraph, I think you're saying SM renders 
> the main Window quite quickly, BUT then takes time to load the actual 
> HTML web page?

Yes, but note that the "main Window" is from a local file on my hard
drive.  That window is an HTML representation of my bookmarks.  On
launching SeaMonkey, I can select a bookmark for another local file on
my hard drive; that renders immediately.  Thereafter, the first time I
select a bookmark to a page on the Web -- requiring communication over
the Internet -- there is a delay.  Subsequent selection of links to
pages on the Web do not have that delay.  Thus, the delay has something
to do with initializing a connection to the Internet.


> Further to this, I don't really understand the second paragraph, about 
> the "throbber" and the "bubble". In my SM theme I just have a "stop" 
> button on the toolbar (not the menu bar) and I have a status bar at the 
> bottom of the main window.

Right-click on the SeaMonkey tool bar or menu bar, select the
blue-circle icon from the Customize Toolbar window, drag the icon onto
either your menu bar (which I did) or your tool bar.  That is a
throbber, which shows rising bubbles while SeaMonkey is downloading and
rendering a Web page.


> One other idea for your specific issue, have you tried disabling 
> extensions and plugins and launching again?

I just now tried launching SeaMonkey in Safe Mode.  I observed the same
problem with both  and
.


> My launch issue is different. In my case it was taking a long time 
> (three seconds) from clicking the shortcut, before the main Window 
> appeared on the screen. I did some tracing and found it was related to 
> WinSock. I disabled the Windows Firewall (FOR TESTING ONLY) and it 
> launched straight away. My network stack is a mess with six different 
> virtual adapters (I need to clean it up) the firewall is probably 
> waiting for a disconnected network adapter that is timing out.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

On 8/12/2016 1:04 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
 -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
 launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
 load very quickly.
>>>
>>> Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get
>>> slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take
>>> a few seconds to "wake up".
>>
>> I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
>> hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.
> 
> To clarify this specific point, did you not say "my own on a Web server" 
> two paragraphs above?
> 

I launched SeaMonkey, which brought up a home page that is an HTML file
residing on an internal hard drive on my PC.  That home page is an
export of my bookmarks, automatically generated when I previously
terminated SeaMonkey.  I then selected the bookmark for my own Web
stite's home page, not the version also on my hard drive but instead the
version that is on my ISP's server.  That is when I observed a delay.  I
then returned to my home page, cleared my cache, and again selected the
link to my Web site's home page.  There was no delay.

NOTE WELL:  There are TWO "home pages" involved here.  One is the page I
get when I select the Home button on SeaMonkey's tool bar or [Go > Home]
on SeaMonkey's menu bar.  That page is displayed when I launch
SeaMonkey.  The other one is the index page of my Web site; it is at
.

-- 
David E. Ross

Republicans scream that Hillary Clinton was responsible
for the tragedy in Benghazi.  They conveniently forget
that it was the Republican-controlled Congress that
drastically cut the State Department's budget for
embassy and consulate protection.
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Gerry Hickman]

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.

I have the blue circle throbber on my menu bar.  With the first Web page
after launching, it does not "bubble" right away.  Instead, there is a
delay of 2-3 seconds.


Reading this again, I think I misunderstood what you were reporting. I 
read the first paragraph, and assumed you were saying SM was slow to 
launch (slow to render the main window for the first time).


Now looking at the second paragraph, I think you're saying SM renders 
the main Window quite quickly, BUT then takes time to load the actual 
HTML web page?


Further to this, I don't really understand the second paragraph, about 
the "throbber" and the "bubble". In my SM theme I just have a "stop" 
button on the toolbar (not the menu bar) and I have a status bar at the 
bottom of the main window.


One other idea for your specific issue, have you tried disabling 
extensions and plugins and launching again?


My launch issue is different. In my case it was taking a long time 
(three seconds) from clicking the shortcut, before the main Window 
appeared on the screen. I did some tracing and found it was related to 
WinSock. I disabled the Windows Firewall (FOR TESTING ONLY) and it 
launched straight away. My network stack is a mess with six different 
virtual adapters (I need to clean it up) the firewall is probably 
waiting for a disconnected network adapter that is timing out.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Gerry Hickman]

David E. Ross wrote:

I have reset the size of my cache to 0.  A prior reply in this thread --
about how high-speed broadband makes caching unnecessary


I think what they said about browser caching is true, but I also think 
there's no need to mess with the SM cache settings (when everything else 
is working normally).


On my own system, I change the cache location to a "local temp" location 
to keep it out of my "roaming" profile. This is in order to make backup 
easier.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Gerry Hickman]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.


Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get
slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take
a few seconds to "wake up".


I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.


To clarify this specific point, did you not say "my own on a Web server" 
two paragraphs above?


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Re: double deletes in email reader

[Felix Miata]

Bill Spikowski composed on 2016-08-12 12:47 (UTC-0400):


Rick Merrill wrote:



inside SeaMonkey email reader; read a message; and click "delete" with mouse: 
first email deletes with click-down, next email deletes with click-up!   Very often I'm 
getting a double delete!  What causes this and how to fix it?



Wireless mouse has a dying battery?


+1


The mouse itself is going defunct?


+1

Sometimes a cleaning will suffice. It worked for me less than a week ago for 
erratic RMB making it hard to get context menus to stay open. Disassemble. 
Use compressed air. Reassemble.


Vacuum or used compressed air on USB ports to remove dust. If it's heavy, 
likely the inside of both PC and power supply are due for dust removal as well.


Also, weak USB or PS/2 connection - power down, then remove & reinsert, 
wiggle, use contact cleaner, etc.

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Re: double deletes in email reader

[David H. Durgee]

Rick Merrill wrote:

inside SeaMonkey email reader; read a message; and click "delete" with
mouse: first email deletes with click-down, next email deletes with
click-up!   Very often I'm getting a double delete!  What causes this
and how to fix it?


I have occasional problems with my trackball as well, as it is shared 
via a KVM switch.  Perhaps you would find it more consistent to use the 
keyboard and hit the "Delete" key instead?  Keyboard shortcuts can be 
very helpful when your mouse is less than reliable.


Dave
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Re: double deletes in email reader

[JAS]

Rick Merrill wrote:

inside SeaMonkey email reader; read a message; and click "delete" with
mouse: first email deletes with click-down, next email deletes with
click-up!   Very often I'm getting a double delete!  What causes this
and how to fix it?
I have a brand new wireless bluetooth mouse that has started doing that 
or double clicks when I play Solsuite. I have went back to my old one 
and no problem.

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Re: double deletes in email reader

[Bill Spikowski]

Rick Merrill wrote:

inside SeaMonkey email reader; read a message; and click "delete" with mouse: 
first email deletes with click-down, next email deletes with click-up!   Very often I'm 
getting a double delete!  What causes this and how to fix it?



Wireless mouse has a dying battery?

The mouse itself is going defunct?
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Re: double deletes in email reader

[EE]

Rick Merrill wrote:

inside SeaMonkey email reader; read a message; and click "delete" with
mouse: first email deletes with click-down, next email deletes with
click-up!   Very often I'm getting a double delete!  What causes this
and how to fix it?


Do not move the cursor when deleting or clicking anything.  With a 
trackball, it is much easier to avoid movement when clicking, since you 
can lift your fingers off the ball before clicking a button, and that 
has become habit.


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double deletes in email reader

[Rick Merrill]

inside SeaMonkey email reader; read a message; and click "delete" with 
mouse: first email deletes with click-down, next email deletes with 
click-up!   Very often I'm getting a double delete!  What causes this 
and how to fix it?

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Lee]

On 8/11/16, Bill Spikowski  wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 08/11/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:
>>> Desiree wrote:
 Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or
 extremely slow cable broadband or something? I haven't had a cache on
 any browser (except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate)
 since I first got broadband in 2001.
>>>
>>> How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED |
>>> CACHE
>>
>> Looking at my SeaMonkey, for those settings I would remove both check
>> marks, set "Use up to" to 0 and "Compare the page ..." to Never.
>
> Thanks, I'll try these ideas and see what happens!

When you do try it, check out the network performance tool:
Tools / Web Development / Toggle Tools
click on the Network tab

and see how long it takes to display pages with & without caching enabled.

Regards,
Lee
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