Re: Plain-text formatting

[Felix Miata]

Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-22 21:55 (UTC-0500):

Felix Miata wrote:


Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500):


Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in
decades.  And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML.  I just don't get
the aversion to it.


1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings,
resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings
and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender.


Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and
smart senders should learn to use HTML well.


Few email senders are smart enough to know they use HTML email. The email apps 
by default make it happen and they don't have any clue.



By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according
to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18
pt or whatever floats your boat.


Same problem. The defaults unusually get changed. My defaults are optimally set 
for when they don't manage to somehow get overridden by rude incoming, as almost 
always occurs when viewing of email is not set to plain text only.



2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of
words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list
being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is
embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message
that is kept for reference instead of being discarded.



In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^
cares about a couple of extra kilobytes?
That "who cares" attitude is a too common problem among baby-boomers and 
younger. Needless waste is nearly always to them an acceptable standard. Fill up 
the landfills, real and electronic, devour natural resources, and let others, 
including younger generations, pay the price.



It may be mathematically or
logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not
real money.


Not everyone has an email device only a few generations old or newer, or ample 
storage, or the extra backup time or media to spare on wastefulness, or 
broadband connectivity to hide the inefficiency of marking up a message with a 
non-zero quantity of bytes that add nothing to the communication.

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Richard Owlett wrote:

 [stuck with USB2 at the moment].

 pretty much handles that.


 with an aspect of 
My view of a "minimalist network" is evidently not socially acceptable
to the current generation. I have two laptops with compatible Ethernet
hardware. I wish to define my "network" as having exactly 3 physical
components --{ 2 computers + 1 Ethernet patch cable = 1 network ;}


I took "USB2" to be a thumb drive.  How does that fit with "1 Ethernet
patch cable"?  I have an Ethernet cable with a USB connector on each 
end.  Is that what you are referring to?


Ray


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Richard Owlett wrote:

> [stuck with USB2 at the moment].
>
>  with an aspect of  My view of a "minimalist network"
> is evidently not socially acceptable to the current generation. I
> have two laptops with compatible Ethernet hardware. I wish to define
> my "network" as having exactly 3 physical components --{ 2 computers
> + 1 Ethernet patch cable = 1 network ;}

I took "USB2" to be a thumb drive.  How does that fit with "1 Ethernet
patch cable"?  I have an Ethernet cable with a USB connector on each 
end.  Is that what you are referring to?


Ray

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Felix Miata wrote:


Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500):


Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in
decades.  And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML.  I just don't get
the aversion to it.


1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings,
resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings
and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender.


Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and 
smart senders should learn to use HTML well.


By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according 
to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18 
pt or whatever floats your boat.



2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of
words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list
being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is
embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message
that is kept for reference instead of being discarded.


In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^ 
cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be mathematically or 
logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not 
real money.


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Re: Stealth Ad Blocker

[Cruz, Jaime]

On 01/21/2017 02:31 PM, EE wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I'm getting tired of all of these sites that refuse to display their
contents until I disable my Ad Blocker(s).  Does anyone know of a
"Stealth" Ad Blocker that blocks ads, but can't be detected by the
websites?  Something that signals to the server that the ad was
displayed but in reality was thrown into a bit bucket?  Surely SOMEONE
has come up with something like that by now?


You can get subscriptions with adblockers to block anti-adblock sites. I
have a subscription with Adblock Plus to Adblock Warning Removal List in
SeaMonkey.  I also have a subscription in Safari for uBlock to
Anti-Adblock Killer at raw.githubusercontent.com.  You can find them
with a search engine.



I just checked, I already have the AdBlock Warning Removal List in my 
list of filters.


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Re: Stealth Ad Blocker

[Cruz, Jaime]

On 01/21/2017 02:59 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/21/2017 11:31 AM, EE wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

I'm getting tired of all of these sites that refuse to display their
contents until I disable my Ad Blocker(s).  Does anyone know of a
"Stealth" Ad Blocker that blocks ads, but can't be detected by the
websites?  Something that signals to the server that the ad was
displayed but in reality was thrown into a bit bucket?  Surely SOMEONE
has come up with something like that by now?


You can get subscriptions with adblockers to block anti-adblock sites.
I have a subscription with Adblock Plus to Adblock Warning Removal List
in SeaMonkey.  I also have a subscription in Safari for uBlock to
Anti-Adblock Killer at raw.githubusercontent.com.  You can find them
with a search engine.



I do not think Cruz wants to block the Web sites that block AdBlock
Plus.  He appears to want to see those Web pages but without the ads.

If Jaime Cruz is still monitoring this thread, I would hope he would
either confirm my conjecture or correct me.


Your assumption is correct, David.

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Felix Miata]

Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500):


Virtually no one I
communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades.  And 99.9% of
commercial email is HTML.  I just don't get the aversion to it.


1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings, resulting in tiny 
fonts and other abuse of those whose settings and/or vision isn't the equal of 
the sender.


2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of words. e.g 
a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list being returned at 18.9KB, 
the vast majority of increase which is embedded styling and markup, overhead 
that remains for each message that is kept for reference instead of being discarded.

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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/22/2017 at 6:50 PM, Ed Mullen's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

On 1/22/2017 at 3:31 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great
aplomb:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is
especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple
*bold words* apparently no longer do.


Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this.

*One* word
*Two words*
*Two. Words* with a period


All of those examples appear bold.



Another imperfectly implemented "feature."  Sigh.



And, on second thought, why make the effort?  Just send HTML. That works 
a whole lot more reliably.


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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/22/2017 at 3:31 PM, EE's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is
especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple
*bold words* apparently no longer do.


Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this.

*One* word
*Two words*
*Two. Words* with a period


All of those examples appear bold.



Another imperfectly implemented "feature."  Sigh.

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Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/22/2017 at 5:16 PM, Ray_Net's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 20:25:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line
is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but
multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do.


Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes
this.

*One* word
*Two words*
*Two. Words* with a period


Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make the
round trip before seeing the results ;o)

It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented
character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents
the text from being formatted:
*Several words with no numbers*
*Several words ending with a number 1*
*1 number and several words*
*Several words ending with punctuation!*
*Several words ending with an accented á*
*==*

It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of
the text, just not at the start or end:
*Several words with 1 number in the middle*
*Several words with an accented á in the middle*
*xx*

Not sure what people want to do with that...


Well done!

And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault.


Therefore, it's better to write in HTML . plain-text with
_*/bold/italic/underline gadget/*_  IS NOT USABLE !


I understand that old-timers (circa the 80s/early 90s) are hung up on 
plain text.  But since starting to use corporate email in the 80s the 
vast majority of my email experience has been HTML.  Virtually no one I 
communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades.  And 99.9% of 
commercial email is HTML.  I just don't get the aversion to it.  I mean, 
c'mon, it's frigging 2017, not 1982!


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Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]

[Ray_Net]

  
  
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17
  20:25:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com
  wrote:
  
  
  Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:
  
  
  I see that; it seems to be a recent
development. The second line

is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works,
but

multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do.

  
  
  Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that
  causes
  
  this.
  
  
  *One* word
  
  *Two words*
  
  *Two. Words* with a period
  


Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make
the

round trip before seeing the results ;o)


It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented

character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that
prevents

the text from being formatted:

*Several words with no numbers*

*Several words ending with a number 1*

*1 number and several words*

*Several words ending with punctuation!*

*Several words ending with an accented á*

*==*


It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle
of

the text, just not at the start or end:

*Several words with 1 number in the middle*

*Several words with an accented á in the middle*

*xx*


Not sure what people want to do with that...

  
  
  Well done!
  
  
  And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault.
  
  

Therefore, it's better to write in HTML
  . plain-text with  bold/italic/underline gadget 
  IS NOT USABLE !
  

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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[EE]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is
especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple
*bold words* apparently no longer do.


Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this.

*One* word
*Two words*
*Two. Words* with a period


All of those examples appear bold.

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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[EE]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 09:38:

Daniel wrote:


By-the-By, your attempt at using the * to cause the "header" to
appear in Bold is incorrect because, I think, you have the second *
on a line all by itself, rather than at the end on the text that you
wished to highlight.


Works fine here, though of course the OP's message shows as his
original HTML unless you force your display to plain text. His coding
does place the "unbold" tag after the line break, but in HTML that
doesn't matter.

=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=


As a general rule, I find SM does not honor bold, italic, and similar
markings in plain text when they straddle line breaks. Each line must
be separately bolded, italicized, etc., thus:

*=*
*Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46*
*=*

and not thus:

*=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=*


Evenwhile ithout line-break, your bold exemple is not in *bold*


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is
especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple
*bold words* apparently no longer do.

Your "bold words" phrase actually does appear bold.  The remark with the 
equal signs above and below does not appear bold.


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Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]

[Paul B. Gallagher]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line
is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but
multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do.


Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes
this.

*One* word
*Two words*
*Two. Words* with a period


Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make the
round trip before seeing the results ;o)

It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented
character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents
the text from being formatted:
*Several words with no numbers*
*Several words ending with a number 1*
*1 number and several words*
*Several words ending with punctuation!*
*Several words ending with an accented á*
*==*

It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of
the text, just not at the start or end:
*Several words with 1 number in the middle*
*Several words with an accented á in the middle*
*xx*

Not sure what people want to do with that...


Well done!

And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault.

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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Chris Ilias]

On 2017-01-22 3:31 AM, Daniel wrote:

By-the-By, your attempt at using the * to  cause the "header" to appear
in Bold is incorrect ...



He didn't attempt that; he posted in HTML. ;)

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Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line
is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but
multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do.


Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes
this.

*One* word
*Two words*
*Two. Words* with a period


Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make the round 
trip before seeing the results ;o)


It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented 
character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents the 
text from being formatted:

*Several words with no numbers*
*Several words ending with a number 1*
*1 number and several words*
*Several words ending with punctuation!*
*Several words ending with an accented á*
*==*

It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of the 
text, just not at the start or end:

*Several words with 1 number in the middle*
*Several words with an accented á in the middle*
*xx*

Not sure what people want to do with that...

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/22/2017 8:05 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive,
and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash
drive



As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by
label"
etc.
WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives it has
discovered.
I see no way automatically associate a particular drive letter
with
a particular flash drive absolutely.


It should be possible to assign specific drive letters to
specific drives. The following is based on Vista, but I gather it
should be similar on XP:
- From Control Panel in Classic view, open Administrative Tools
then Computer Management.
- In the left-hand pane, under "Storage" select "Disk Management".
- Right-click the drive in the right-hand pane and select "Change
Driver Letter and Paths".
- Click "Change", choose letter, then click OK.

If you pick a letter towards the end of the alphabet, you'll
minimise the chance of Windows automatically assigning the same
letter to another removable drive. Then each time you insert that
drive, it should always get the same letter.


As Sgt. Schultz might say "InterestingVERY interesting".
I've been a Windows user since the days of 3.1 and never came 
across that.

Thank you.



Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is
installed on!



Who? Me? 


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Re: Yahoo Mail Retrieval Error - Help Please

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bo1953 wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

bo1953 wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with retrieving email from only one (1)
yahoo account.

I Am using SM 2.46 on a W10 machine.

Each time SM opens and retrieves email for the one (1) account,
the message:

"Sending of password for user X did not succeed. Mail server
pop.mail.yahoo.com responded."


That usually happens when the mail server rejects the login.
Usually there would be a bit more after that, saying what the mail
server's response was (some sort of failure message, e.g. incorrect
username or password). If that's really all there is, it looks like
the mail server is rejecting the login but not providing a message
to say what the problem is - which confusingly makes the message
appear to be a simple statement that the server did respond.


I have no challenges on my Vista and XP machines.


Be aware that Windows XP support ended a few years ago, so it has
not been receiving updates since then and any security issues
discovered with it will not be fixed. Windows Vista support ends on
11 April this year, after which it will not receive updates
either.


Any ideas or suggestions to consider?


Check that you've entered the username and password correctly. You
may have mistyped one or other. Usernames for email servers
sometimes need to include the whole email address (including the
part after the @), and sometimes only the part before the @ - so
make sure you've got that right (compare with the machines which do
work).

Also make sure you've got the right settings for connection
security and authentication method (again, you should be able to
compare the settings with your other machines which do work).



Mark

Thank you for your reply and thoughts

You are correct, there is a '+' (without quotes) which appears as
the message, not sure how I missed it...


Still doesn't give much clue about what the problem is though :(


I have checked all settings against each machine and all appears to be
good.

Could it just be yahoo issue overall?


Could be, although it's strange that it works from your other machines 
(presumably also using SeaMonkey 2.46?) If it is am issue at their end, 
it might suddenly start working in a day or two.


If you've been trying from each machine in turn in quick succession 
(within a few minutes), it could be that Yahoo either limit how many 
times you can connect within a certain time or block logins coming from 
different machines in quick succession. I've also had at least one mail 
provider in the past where logging in via webmail blocked access to 
their POP server until several minutes after logging out of webmail.


If you haven't already tried, maybe give it half an hour or so without 
attempting to check mail from any machine, and then try from the Windows 
10 one.


Are your Windows XP, Vista and 10 machines all connected to the same 
network, using the same Internet connection? Any differences in 
antivirus software between the machines?


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Re: Yahoo Mail Retrieval Error - Help Please

[Arnie Goetchius]

bo1953 wrote:
> mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>> bo1953 wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I Am having challenges with retrieving email from only one (1) yahoo
>>> account.
>>>
>>> I Am using SM 2.46 on a W10 machine.
>>>
>>> Each time SM opens and retrieves email for the one (1) account, the
>>> message:
>>>
>>> "Sending of password for user X did not succeed. Mail server
>>> pop.mail.yahoo.com responded."
>>
>> That usually happens when the mail server rejects the login. Usually
>> there would be a bit more after that, saying what the mail server's
>> response was (some sort of failure message, e.g. incorrect username or
>> password). If that's really all there is, it looks like the mail server
>> is rejecting the login but not providing a message to say what the
>> problem is - which confusingly makes the message appear to be a simple
>> statement that the server did respond.
>>
>>> I have no challenges on my Vista and XP machines.
>>
>> Be aware that Windows XP support ended a few years ago, so it has not
>> been receiving updates since then and any security issues discovered
>> with it will not be fixed. Windows Vista support ends on 11 April this
>> year, after which it will not receive updates either.
>>
>>> Any ideas or suggestions to consider?
>>
>> Check that you've entered the username and password correctly. You may
>> have mistyped one or other. Usernames for email servers sometimes need
>> to include the whole email address (including the part after the @), and
>> sometimes only the part before the @ - so make sure you've got that
>> right (compare with the machines which do work).
>>
>> Also make sure you've got the right settings for connection security and
>> authentication method (again, you should be able to compare the settings
>> with your other machines which do work).
>>
> 
> Mark
> 
> Thank you for your reply and thoughts
> 
> You are correct, there is a '+' (without quotes) which appears as the message,
> not sure how I missed it...
> 
> I have checked all settings against each machine and all appears to be good.
> 
> Could it just be yahoo issue overall?
> 
> TIA - bo1953
Because of all of the security issues with Yahoo as discussed here:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/SLN27927.html?impressions=true

you may want to enter change your password to see if that will let you log in.
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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Paul B. Gallagher]

I just wrote:


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is
especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple
*bold words* apparently no longer do.


Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this.

*One* word
*Two words*
*Two. Words* with a period

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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 09:38:

Daniel wrote:


By-the-By, your attempt at using the * to cause the "header" to
appear in Bold is incorrect because, I think, you have the second *
on a line all by itself, rather than at the end on the text that you
wished to highlight.


Works fine here, though of course the OP's message shows as his
original HTML unless you force your display to plain text. His coding
does place the "unbold" tag after the line break, but in HTML that
doesn't matter.

=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=


As a general rule, I find SM does not honor bold, italic, and similar
markings in plain text when they straddle line breaks. Each line must
be separately bolded, italicized, etc., thus:

*=*
*Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46*
*=*

and not thus:

*=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=*


Evenwhile ithout line-break, your bold exemple is not in *bold*


I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is 
especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple 
*bold words* apparently no longer do.


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

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Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive,
and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash drive



As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by label"
etc.
WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives it has
discovered.
I see no way automatically associate a particular drive letter with
a particular flash drive absolutely.


It should be possible to assign specific drive letters to specific 
drives. The following is based on Vista, but I gather it should be 
similar on XP:
- From Control Panel in Classic view, open Administrative Tools then 
Computer Management.

- In the left-hand pane, under "Storage" select "Disk Management".
- Right-click the drive in the right-hand pane and select "Change Driver 
Letter and Paths".

- Click "Change", choose letter, then click OK.

If you pick a letter towards the end of the alphabet, you'll minimise 
the chance of Windows automatically assigning the same letter to another 
removable drive. Then each time you insert that drive, it should always 
get the same letter.


Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is installed on!

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Re: Yahoo Mail Retrieval Error - Help Please

[bo1953]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

bo1953 wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with retrieving email from only one (1) yahoo
account.

I Am using SM 2.46 on a W10 machine.

Each time SM opens and retrieves email for the one (1) account, the
message:

"Sending of password for user X did not succeed. Mail server
pop.mail.yahoo.com responded."


That usually happens when the mail server rejects the login. Usually
there would be a bit more after that, saying what the mail server's
response was (some sort of failure message, e.g. incorrect username or
password). If that's really all there is, it looks like the mail server
is rejecting the login but not providing a message to say what the
problem is - which confusingly makes the message appear to be a simple
statement that the server did respond.


I have no challenges on my Vista and XP machines.


Be aware that Windows XP support ended a few years ago, so it has not
been receiving updates since then and any security issues discovered
with it will not be fixed. Windows Vista support ends on 11 April this
year, after which it will not receive updates either.


Any ideas or suggestions to consider?


Check that you've entered the username and password correctly. You may
have mistyped one or other. Usernames for email servers sometimes need
to include the whole email address (including the part after the @), and
sometimes only the part before the @ - so make sure you've got that
right (compare with the machines which do work).

Also make sure you've got the right settings for connection security and
authentication method (again, you should be able to compare the settings
with your other machines which do work).



Mark

Thank you for your reply and thoughts

You are correct, there is a '+' (without quotes) which appears as the 
message, not sure how I missed it...


I have checked all settings against each machine and all appears to be 
good.


Could it just be yahoo issue overall?

TIA - bo1953
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Re: Yahoo Mail Retrieval Error - Help Please

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bo1953 wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with retrieving email from only one (1) yahoo
account.

I Am using SM 2.46 on a W10 machine.

Each time SM opens and retrieves email for the one (1) account, the
message:

"Sending of password for user X did not succeed. Mail server
pop.mail.yahoo.com responded."


That usually happens when the mail server rejects the login. Usually 
there would be a bit more after that, saying what the mail server's 
response was (some sort of failure message, e.g. incorrect username or 
password). If that's really all there is, it looks like the mail server 
is rejecting the login but not providing a message to say what the 
problem is - which confusingly makes the message appear to be a simple 
statement that the server did respond.



I have no challenges on my Vista and XP machines.


Be aware that Windows XP support ended a few years ago, so it has not 
been receiving updates since then and any security issues discovered 
with it will not be fixed. Windows Vista support ends on 11 April this 
year, after which it will not receive updates either.



Any ideas or suggestions to consider?


Check that you've entered the username and password correctly. You may 
have mistyped one or other. Usernames for email servers sometimes need 
to include the whole email address (including the part after the @), and 
sometimes only the part before the @ - so make sure you've got that 
right (compare with the machines which do work).


Also make sure you've got the right settings for connection security and 
authentication method (again, you should be able to compare the settings 
with your other machines which do work).


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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 09:38:

Daniel wrote:


By-the-By, your attempt at using the * to cause the "header" to
appear in Bold is incorrect because, I think, you have the second *
on a line all by itself, rather than at the end on the text that you
wished to highlight.


Works fine here, though of course the OP's message shows as his 
original HTML unless you force your display to plain text. His coding 
does place the "unbold" tag after the line break, but in HTML that 
doesn't matter.


=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=


As a general rule, I find SM does not honor bold, italic, and similar 
markings in plain text when they straddle line breaks. Each line must 
be separately bolded, italicized, etc., thus:


*=*
*Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46*
*=*

and not thus:

*=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=*


Evenwhile ithout line-break, your bold exemple is not in *bold*
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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:


By-the-By, your attempt at using the * to  cause the "header" to
appear in Bold is incorrect because, I think, you have the second *
on a line all by itself, rather than at the end on the text that you
wished to highlight.


Works fine here, though of course the OP's message shows as his original 
HTML unless you force your display to plain text. His coding does place 
the "unbold" tag after the line break, but in HTML that doesn't matter.


=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=


As a general rule, I find SM does not honor bold, italic, and similar 
markings in plain text when they straddle line breaks. Each line must be 
separately bolded, italicized, etc., thus:


*=*
*Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46*
*=*

and not thus:

*=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=*

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/2017 11:44 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/21/2017 5:47 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/2017 2:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen
aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches
while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I
would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on
the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on
tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in
step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the
waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email
server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to
sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/


Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.


I'm approaching this from an OS agnostic point-of-view.
[See my reply to Ray Davison yesterday]
In my specific case it could be
   Linux <--> WinXP Pro
or
   Linux <--> Linux
Depending on conditions outside the scope of this thread.


Richard, do you dual boot your OS's??


Not in the traditional sense ;/


I have one laptop on which I dual boot Win7 and various Linux's.
I have SeaMonkey installed on both OS's and have the profile on
a Win7 drive, as Linux can "see" and, therefore, use that same
profile.



The T430 has only Debian Jessie.
The T43 nominally has only WinXP Pro.
I say "nominally" because (from an unrelated project) I do have a
bootable copy of Debian Jessie on a flash drive. It requires I
must
manually interrupt the T43's boot sequence.

Running Debian on the T43 would simplify things specific to
this thread
but complicate my life in other ways. In the near future some
off topic
issues should be resolved and the whole problem should just go
away.


Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive,
and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash drive



As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by 
label" etc.
WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives it has 
discovered.
I see no way automatically associate a particular drive letter 
with a particular flash drive absolutely.


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Re: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46

[Daniel]

On 22/01/2017 11:22 AM, JMK wrote:

*=
Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.40 and v2.46
=
*
I have noticed this issue happening with messages that have a signature
attachment added from a (.html) file.  The messages in question have a
"washed out" look, as if they are being viewed thru an opaque filter.

Did not have this problem in prior versions of SM.

Has anyone reported this issue?

Is there a fix?


Regards,

j...@restoreamericanliberty.com
www.RestoreAmericanLiberty.com
Liberty Depends Upon Virtue


It seems to me what you might be experiencing is an incorrectly located 
signature marker, -- , i.e. a line containing two dashes followed by a 
space only.


Properly coded e-mail programs identify that as the end of the message 
and expect what follows is just a sig file which need not be quoted in 
replies.


I believe that has been a long standing problem with HTML formatted 
e-mails where the sig file marker is (incorrectly) included with-in the 
message envelop rather than with-in the sig file itself.


Or something like that anyway. ;-)

By-the-By, your attempt at using the * to  cause the "header" to appear 
in Bold is incorrect because, I think, you have the second * on a line 
all by itself, rather than at the end on the text that you wished to 
highlight.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Daniel]

On 21/01/2017 11:44 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/21/2017 5:47 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/2017 2:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen
aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I
would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on
the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on
tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the
waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email
server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to
sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/


Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.


I'm approaching this from an OS agnostic point-of-view.
[See my reply to Ray Davison yesterday]
In my specific case it could be
   Linux <--> WinXP Pro
or
   Linux <--> Linux
Depending on conditions outside the scope of this thread.


Richard, do you dual boot your OS's??


Not in the traditional sense ;/


I have one laptop on which I dual boot Win7 and various Linux's.
I have SeaMonkey installed on both OS's and have the profile on
a Win7 drive, as Linux can "see" and, therefore, use that same profile.



The T430 has only Debian Jessie.
The T43 nominally has only WinXP Pro.
I say "nominally" because (from an unrelated project) I do have a
bootable copy of Debian Jessie on a flash drive. It requires I must
manually interrupt the T43's boot sequence.

Running Debian on the T43 would simplify things specific to this thread
but complicate my life in other ways. In the near future some off topic
issues should be resolved and the whole problem should just go away.


Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive, and then 
point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash drive


--
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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