date:20170826


David Guymer wrote:


Another important site that won't load is



Works fine here in the Untied States.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread David E. Ross

On 8/26/2017 9:17 PM, David Guymer wrote:
> David Guymer wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2017 12:34 AM, David Guymer wrote:
 There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a
 certificate warning.

 I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate
 from this program with the same warning afterwards.

 All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in
 SeaMonkey.

 David Guymer

>>>
>>> Give us a link to an affected Web page, a page that does not require a
>>> login to an account that I do not have.
>>>
>>
>> https://www.foxtel.com.au/my-account
> 
> Another important site that won't load is 
> https://my.gov.au/LoginServices/main/login?execution=e1s1
> 
> David Guymer
> 

Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.48

That one loaded okay.  The site certificate for www.my.gov.au is owned
by the Australian Department of Human Services.  It and the intermediate
certificate were properly installed on the www.my.gov.au server.  Both
successfully chained to the DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA
certificate, which was installed on my PC with SeaMonkey.

It is possible that your file of root certificates has become corrupted.
 To restore it, I suggest the following:

1.  On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Help > Troubleshooting
Information].

2.  Under "Application Basics", select the Open Folder button to the
right of Profile Folder.

3.  Terminate all instances of SeaMonkey.

4.  In the profile folder opened in #2, locate the file cert8.db and
delete it.

5.  Relaunch SeaMonkey (which re-creates cert8.db) and try your problem
Web sites again.

If you truly trust the Australian government's Web sites (why not?), you
might also try disabling Kaspersky just before attempting to access
those sites.  Remember to enable Kaspersky afterwards.

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"founding fathers" owned slaves.  However, they created
a nation.  Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, Thomas
"Stonewall" Jackson and other "heroes" of the
Confederacy tried to tear the nation apart.  Statues
and other monuments to those "heroes" of the
Confederacy actually celebrate traitors and treason.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread David E. Ross

On 8/26/2017 8:01 PM, David Guymer wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 12:34 AM, David Guymer wrote:
>>> There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a
>>> certificate warning.
>>>
>>> I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate
>>> from this program with the same warning afterwards.
>>>
>>> All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in
>>> SeaMonkey.
>>>
>>> David Guymer
>>>
>>
>> Give us a link to an affected Web page, a page that does not require a
>> login to an account that I do not have.
>>
> 
> https://www.foxtel.com.au/my-account
> 

I get: "Access to My Account is not currently available outside
Australia."  This was via a redirect to
, which --
being an HTTP page and not HTTPS -- does not have a certificate.

-- 
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Yes, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other
"founding fathers" owned slaves.  However, they created
a nation.  Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, Thomas
"Stonewall" Jackson and other "heroes" of the
Confederacy tried to tear the nation apart.  Statues
and other monuments to those "heroes" of the
Confederacy actually celebrate traitors and treason.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread David Guymer


David Guymer wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/26/2017 12:34 AM, David Guymer wrote:

There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a
certificate warning.

I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate
from this program with the same warning afterwards.

All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in
SeaMonkey.

David Guymer



Give us a link to an affected Web page, a page that does not require a
login to an account that I do not have.



https://www.foxtel.com.au/my-account


Another important site that won't load is 
https://my.gov.au/LoginServices/main/login?execution=e1s1


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread David Guymer


David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/26/2017 12:34 AM, David Guymer wrote:

There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a
certificate warning.

I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate
from this program with the same warning afterwards.

All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in
SeaMonkey.

David Guymer



Give us a link to an affected Web page, a page that does not require a
login to an account that I do not have.



https://www.foxtel.com.au/my-account
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Re: Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac


ILJA SHEBALIN wrote:


It seems screenshots get removed automatically. You're correct but
that means that in both cases my chosen font shows up as PT Sans, yet
I see the default. In the drop down menu window in undisclosed mode
it alternates between serif PT Sans and PT Sans as I type with the
former eventually overriding the latter but visually none of these is
PT Sans. It's rather perplexing. I have firefox reader extension
installed (Safari 5-like Reader) but despite Trebuchet MS set as the
font for text to be displayed I see the default (Courier?) font. All
settings - both UI and geeky - have Trebuchet MS of which neither is
effective when activating the extension. I safe-relaunched SM to no
avail. Now in Apple Mail I type in PT Sans font and there's no issues
as to how do I change fonts. It seems fonts are broken in Seamonkey
since in every shape of settings values are set correctly but they
don't take effect.


I understand what you're saying, and I sympathize, but that hasn't been 
my experience. What I say is what I get. I'm on 2.46 for Windows; that 
may make a difference.


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Re: Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac

2017-08-26 Thread Felix Miata

ILJA SHEBALIN composed on 2017-08-27 01:20 (UTC+0300):

> It seems screenshots get removed automatically
You can post it to https://pastebin.mozilla.org/ or your personal web space or
any other pastebin, then post the link here. Mailing list archives don't need
binary attachments that become obsolete shortly after creation, and bloat
mailing list subscriber's email accounts. Most newsgroups whose purpose is not
sharing binaries reject binary attachments.
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Re: Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac

It seems screenshots get removed automatically. You're correct but that means 
that in both cases my chosen font shows up as PT Sans, yet I see the default. 
In the drop down menu window in undisclosed mode it alternates between serif PT 
Sans and PT Sans as I type with the former eventually overriding the latter but 
visually none of these is PT Sans. It's rather perplexing. I have firefox 
reader extension installed (Safari 5-like Reader) but despite Trebuchet MS set 
as the font for text to be displayed I see the default (Courier?) font. All 
settings - both UI and geeky - have Trebuchet MS of which neither is effective 
when activating the extension. I safe-relaunched SM to no avail. Now in Apple 
Mail I type in PT Sans font and there's no issues as to how do I change fonts. 
It seems fonts are broken in Seamonkey since in every shape of settings values 
are set correctly but they don't take effect.
26.08.2017, в 23:21, Paul B. Gallagher написал(а):

> ILJA SHEBALIN wrote:
> 
>> The settings are the same as tuned up per UI controls. See the
>> screenshot:
> 
> No screenshot here, but yes.
> 
> msgcompose.font_face corresponds to the setting at Edit | Preferences | Mail 
> & Newsgroups | Composition | Defaults for HTML messages | Font:
> The default is "Variable Width."
> 
> msgcompose.font_size corresponds to the setting at Edit | Preferences | Mail 
> & Newsgroups | Composition | Defaults for HTML messages | Size:
> The default is "medium."
> 
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Re: Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac


26.08.2017, в 23:46, ILJA SHEBALIN написал(а):

> It seems screenshots get removed automatically. You're correct but that means 
> that in both cases my chosen font shows up as PT Sans, yet I see the default. 
> In the drop down menu window in undisclosed mode it alternates between serif 
> PT Sans and PT Sans as I type with the former eventually overriding the 
> latter but visually none of these is PT Sans. It's rather perplexing. I have 
> firefox reader extension installed (Safari 5-like Reader) but despite 
> Trebuchet MS set as the font for text to be displayed I see the default 
> (Courier?) font. All settings - both UI and geeky - have Trebuchet MS of 
> which neither is effective when activating the extension. I safe-relaunched 
> SM to no avail. Now in Apple Mail I type in PT Sans font and there's no 
> issues as to how do I change fonts. It seems fonts are broken in Seamonkey 
> since in every shape of settings values are set correctly but they don't take 
> effect.
> 26.08.2017, в 23:21, Paul B. Gallagher написал(а):
> 
>> ILJA SHEBALIN wrote:
>> 
>>> The settings are the same as tuned up per UI controls. See the
>>> screenshot:
>> 
>> No screenshot here, but yes.
>> 
>> msgcompose.font_face corresponds to the setting at Edit | Preferences | Mail 
>> & Newsgroups | Composition | Defaults for HTML messages | Font:
>> The default is "Variable Width."
>> 
>> msgcompose.font_size corresponds to the setting at Edit | Preferences | Mail 
>> & Newsgroups | Composition | Defaults for HTML messages | Size:
>> The default is "medium."
>> 
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>> --
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Re: Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac


ILJA SHEBALIN wrote:


The settings are the same as tuned up per UI controls. See the
screenshot:


No screenshot here, but yes.

msgcompose.font_face corresponds to the setting at Edit | Preferences | 
Mail & Newsgroups | Composition | Defaults for HTML messages | Font:

The default is "Variable Width."

msgcompose.font_size corresponds to the setting at Edit | Preferences | 
Mail & Newsgroups | Composition | Defaults for HTML messages | Size:

The default is "medium."

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Re: Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac

The settings are the same as tuned up per UI controls. See the screenshot:

26.08.2017, в 21:03, EE написал(а):

> ILJA SHEBALIN wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Help me, please. I was composing a mail message and suddenly found that no 
>> matter how many times I would select a font I desire from the dropdown menu 
>> in the composer window it would stick to the default font. More confusing is 
>> that (having been using Apple Mail a problem like that with simple changing 
>> fonts appears uncomfortable at best) even if I choose PT Sans, for example, 
>> then it would show serif, PT Sans selected but visibly it's the same default 
>> ugly Times New Roman (or whatever similarly looking font is set as the 
>> default). I checked settings (Compose and Address), I set the font to PT 
>> Sans, HTML formatting, still no change. How could I fix it? Or is it a bug?
>> A YouTube link to view the screen video-capture:
>> https://youtu.be/y57GNFOGmqc
>> Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac is the latest available version for my OS X (10.7.5, 
>> codename "Lion").
>> Sincerely Yours,
>> Ilya Shebalin
>> E-mail: iljashebal...@gmail.com,
>>ilja.sheba...@icloud.com
> In order to change the font used in Compose, I changed that in about:config.  
> The settings are in msgcompose.font_face and msgcompose.font_size.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread PhillipJones


Lee wrote:

On 8/26/17, David Guymer  wrote:

There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a
certificate warning.

I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate
from this program with the same warning afterwards.


It sounds like the cert wasn't imported - or maybe it wasn't imported
into the right place?
edit / preferences
privacy & security / certificates / manage certificates
authorities

do you see the Kaspersky cert there?

but before clicking on import take a look at
  https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA17-075A
Allowing your a/v program to inspect traffic from https sites might be
desirable but be aware of the trade-offs.

Lee




All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in
SeaMonkey.

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I can't even get 2.48 to work MacBook Pro Bought in Feb 2017 16 GB RAM 
SSD Drive OSX12.6 After updating from 2.46 to 2.48. Crashed hard. 
Fortunately I  went back to 2.46 using time Machine. Works Perfect.  The 
last couple of updates for Mac have been Stinkers.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread Lee

On 8/26/17, David Guymer  wrote:
> There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a
> certificate warning.
>
> I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate
> from this program with the same warning afterwards.

It sounds like the cert wasn't imported - or maybe it wasn't imported
into the right place?
edit / preferences
privacy & security / certificates / manage certificates
authorities

do you see the Kaspersky cert there?

but before clicking on import take a look at
  https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA17-075A
Allowing your a/v program to inspect traffic from https sites might be
desirable but be aware of the trade-offs.

Lee

>
> All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in
> SeaMonkey.
>
> David Guymer
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

2017-08-26 Thread Mason83

On 26/08/2017 16:24, null wrote:

> Mason83 wrote:
>
>> That's an MP4 container with H.264-encoded video.
>> They don't specify the audio codec, I'll bet AAC.
>
> That "test" video at the above link has unfortunately been removed by 
> the user.
> 
> When you right click on the settings button on the Youtube window, you 
> get an option for geeks which when selected gives info about the video. 
> However, it doesn't seem to give the sort of info you cite above. Where 
> did you get that from?

Yeah, it was in the stats for geeks.

Mime Type: video/mp4; codecs="avc1.4d401e"

mp4 means an MPEG-4 Part 14 container.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14

avc1.4d401e means H.264 Main Profile Level 3
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16363167/html5-video-tag-codecs-attribute

Have a look at that page, it seems pretty nifty.
http://www.leanbackplayer.com/test/h5mt.html

I wonder what kind of sniffing it performs.

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Re: SeaMonkey and OpenH264

2017-08-26 Thread Mason83

On 26/08/2017 09:01, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

> Some time ago Cisco released a H.264 implementation called OpenH264 in 
> source and binary form for download from a Cisco server. As part of this 
> Cisco pays full H.264 patent royalties for this plugin. Firefox contains 
> something to download OpenH264 from the Cisco server (meaning Firefox can 
> then have H.264 support without any patent issues)
> 
> Does SeaMonkey also use this code to download OpenH264 and get H.264 
> support that way? Is this something that is planned? Is there a reason 
> SeaMonkey cant do what FireFox does?
> 
> Is the Firefox OpenH264 support even used for HTML5 video or is it only 
> being used for WebRTC and online video chat things?

Hmmm... Let's see.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1047159

Do you have a media.peerconnection.video.h264 knob?
I don't, but I do see media.peerconnection.video.h264_enabled
mine defaults to false. Perhaps try toggling it and
restart SM?

I have media.peerconnection.enabled to false though.

Hmmm, media.peerconnection screams "WebRTC".

I'm wondering, like you, if the Cisco plug-in is used
at all outside WebRTC...

This seems to imply the plug-in is useful for Youtube:
https://github.com/cisco/openh264/issues/2835

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread David E. Ross

On 8/26/2017 12:34 AM, David Guymer wrote:
> There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a 
> certificate warning.
> 
> I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate 
> from this program with the same warning afterwards.
> 
> All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in 
> SeaMonkey.
> 
> David Guymer
> 

Give us a link to an affected Web page, a page that does not require a
login to an account that I do not have.

-- 
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Yes, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other
"founding fathers" owned slaves.  However, they created
a nation.  Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, Thomas
"Stonewall" Jackson and other "heroes" of the
Confederacy tried to tear the nation apart.  Statues
and other monuments to those "heroes" of the
Confederacy actually celebrate traitors and treason.

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Re: Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac

2017-08-26 Thread EE


ILJA SHEBALIN wrote:

Hello,
Help me, please. I was composing a mail message and suddenly found that no 
matter how many times I would select a font I desire from the dropdown menu in 
the composer window it would stick to the default font. More confusing is that 
(having been using Apple Mail a problem like that with simple changing fonts 
appears uncomfortable at best) even if I choose PT Sans, for example, then it 
would show serif, PT Sans selected but visibly it's the same default ugly Times 
New Roman (or whatever similarly looking font is set as the default). I checked 
settings (Compose and Address), I set the font to PT Sans, HTML formatting, 
still no change. How could I fix it? Or is it a bug?

A YouTube link to view the screen video-capture:
https://youtu.be/y57GNFOGmqc
Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac is the latest available version for my OS X (10.7.5, codename 
"Lion").

Sincerely Yours,
Ilya Shebalin
E-mail: iljashebal...@gmail.com,
ilja.sheba...@icloud.com



In order to change the font used in Compose, I changed that in 
about:config.  The settings are in msgcompose.font_face and 
msgcompose.font_size.


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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims


null wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


The term "open source library for working with video on the web"
is being equated with the term "HTML video player." In the
simplest possible terms, such a "library" is also called a
"player."

Definition of "software library" from The Free Dictionary: "a
collection of standard routines used in computer programs, usually
stored as an executable file."

So the sentence really isn't ungrammatical or ambiguous. You just
have to know how to parse it.


Yes, as you say, in the "simplest possible terms", but sometimes
"simple" becomes "simplistic", and therefore less than clear. Saying
that you just have to know how to parse it is like saying that you
just have to understand written English! With the sort of stuff I'm
talking about in this thread, you shouldn't have to parse and
syntactically analyze, the meaning should be clear without having to
resort to re-reading, cogitation, etc. Don't want to make too much of
that one single sentence above, but I've gotta say that I've found
the web overflowing with masses of stuff about this or that aspect of
computer and web technology and new developments in these areas, and
that a huge proportion of it begs more questions than it answers
because it fails to comply with even the most basic principles of
technical or expository writing, or even with basic English grammar
and syntax. Given that much of it is there for the benefit of
non-techie, ordinary users rather than geeks, coders, developers, or
whatever who would know a lot more, this is very frustrating.  ...


Yeah, well, two more points:

1) The vast majority of people on this forum are not professional 
writers, so you have to adjust your expectations.


2) It's perfectly normal in any technical field to encounter specialized 
jargon, and it would be unnatural and also difficult to follow if 
posters avoided that jargon.


My remark about parsing referred at least in part to the fact that 
understanding the words is key to understanding the syntax. Compare this 
famous sentence that computers cannot understand:


Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

It's the computer's inability to recognize "flies" and "like" in the 
second clause as a noun and a verb, respectively, that prevents it from 
correctly parsing that clause.


So that's why I tried to clarify by explaining "library."

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Seamonkey mail - can't change fonts. Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac

Hello, 
Help me, please. I was composing a mail message and suddenly found that no 
matter how many times I would select a font I desire from the dropdown menu in 
the composer window it would stick to the default font. More confusing is that 
(having been using Apple Mail a problem like that with simple changing fonts 
appears uncomfortable at best) even if I choose PT Sans, for example, then it 
would show serif, PT Sans selected but visibly it's the same default ugly Times 
New Roman (or whatever similarly looking font is set as the default). I checked 
settings (Compose and Address), I set the font to PT Sans, HTML formatting, 
still no change. How could I fix it? Or is it a bug?

A YouTube link to view the screen video-capture:
https://youtu.be/y57GNFOGmqc
Seamonkey 2.46 for Mac is the latest available version for my OS X (10.7.5, 
codename "Lion").

Sincerely Yours,
Ilya Shebalin
E-mail: iljashebal...@gmail.com,
   ilja.sheba...@icloud.com 



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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

2017-08-26 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

> Yeah, I guess I'll have to upgrade sooner or later, although it will have to
> be a PC with a full size keyboard and a mouse - just can't abide laptops, it
> would drive me nuts no matter how cheap. W10 may still be free from MS, but

The old Thinkpad keyboards are still the second best thing here. Using an 
X200s while traveling and it is really good. But at home I have a docking 
station and a full sized keyboard and mouse connected to it. Best of both 
worlds. I have no use for touch. If it weren't for the dreaded Intel graphics 
chips with its sucky drivers it would be heaven.

Yes to get a free W10 license you need to have W7 loaded.

I am still running XP on a PC with special hardware and regularly test to see 
that SeaMonkey 2.49.1 still works fine but for audio/video I would just pass.

FRG

null wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Yeah, I guess I'll have to upgrade sooner or later, although it will have to 
be a PC with a full size keyboard and a mouse - just can't abide laptops, it 
would drive me nuts no matter how cheap. W10 may still be free from MS, but 
only if you do the download using W7 or higher. I don't recall there ever 
being any sort of free download or upgrade for XP, and if there was I imagine 
it's long gone. Apart from the pesky cost, the problem with upgrading the 
hardware and going to W10 is that there are many unknowns. Apart from the fact 
that I know XP inside out and, like a lot of others have said, find the GUI 
and general way it runs very much to my liking, I suspect that a huge number 
of programmes I currently use may not run properly on W10, if they will run at 
all, and I would find that out the hard way. I do know what you refer to with 
the POS 2009 hack, but I think that would be fraught with all sorts of 
possible complications, and as you say it's on the way out, anyway.

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2017-08-26 Thread Chris Ilias


On 2017-08-26 8:06 AM, null wrote:

But getting back to the problem that I can't use SM or FF to watch video 
presented with Youtube's HTML5 Player, people say that I don't have the 
necessary codecs or that my XP OS doesn't have the necessary. Well, my 
Chrome browser on my XP machine DOES play those videos. If Chrome has 
something in it that does that running on XP, why doesn't FF and SM? 
Now, I can think of various possible answers to that question, but i 
can't identify the correct answer.



The following also applies to SeaMonkey:


"[10] To avoid patent issues, support for MPEG 4, H.264 and MP3 is not 
built directly into Firefox. Instead it relies on support from the OS or 
hardware (the hardware also needs to be able to support the profile used 
to encode the video, in the case of MP4). Firefox supports these formats 
on the following platforms: Windows Vista+ since Firefox 22.0, Android 
since Firefox 20.0, Firefox OS since Firefox 15.0, Linux since Firefox 
26.0 (relies on GStreamer codecs) and OS X 10.7 since Firefox 35.0."


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Mason83 wrote:

On 26/08/2017 08:14, null wrote:


Anyway, thanks to the stuff on your links, I now get the general idea
that "an HTML5. video player" refers to software that resides on _the
server_, and uses HTML5 rather than flash or webM to do . . . well . . .
whatever it does that results in my browser getting a data feed that it
can display on my screen as a video.

Not quite. Javascript runs on the client (your browser).
And the video stream (typically a WebM or MP4 container)
is "decapsulated" on the host, and the compressed audio
and video streams are decompressed and sent to the
audio layer and frame buffer of the host.

There is no HTML5 vs WebM. HTML5 video specifies a standard
way to ... interact with a video stream (typically in a
container, but elementary streams might be supported).


I've noticed that my problem playing some Youtube videos seems to
frequently arise with current affairs videos. Just now went to Youtube
and found the following, which will not play and gives the error message
discussed earlier in this thread. And with JavaScript turned off, I
don't even get the error message, just a blank, black window.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfImP6jr28g

That's an MP4 container with H.264-encoded video.
They don't specify the audio codec, I'll bet AAC.

Regards.
That "test" video at the above link has unfortunately been removed by 
the user.


When you right click on the settings button on the Youtube window, you 
get an option for geeks which when selected gives info about the video. 
However, it doesn't seem to give the sort of info you cite above. Where 
did you get that from?

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

You can try this one:

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/175591-enable-mp4-h264-aac-html5-video-in-firefox-on-windows-xp-without-flash/

Thanks for that. there is a download link there for the Adobe thingy
they talk about, got it, scanned it, unzpped it, put it in a folder as
they instruct, didn't make any difference at that point, but perhaps
tomorrow I will make the about:config changes they list and see what
happens.

Probably the only way to get it working under XP. 2.48 is Fx 51

The POS2009 hack will give you current updates for your system till
2019 but does nothing for video decoding.

You can get a decent older Thinkpad running Windows 7 like a champ for
around $70. Same for other brands. Older office PCs are probably less.
While you can still get 10 for free from Microsoft but I wouldn't
recommend it. Not sure what to do after 2020 myself. Maybe go to Linux.

Yeah, I guess I'll have to upgrade sooner or later, although it will
have to be a PC with a full size keyboard and a mouse - just can't abide
laptops, it would drive me nuts no matter how cheap. W10 may still be
free from MS, but only if you do the download using W7 or higher. I
don't recall there ever being any sort of free download or upgrade for
XP, and if there was I imagine it's long gone. Apart from the pesky
cost, the problem with upgrading the hardware and going to W10 is that
there are many unknowns. Apart from the fact that I know XP inside out
and, like a lot of others have said, find the GUI and general way it
runs very much to my liking, I suspect that a huge number of programmes
I currently use may not run properly on W10, if they will run at all,
and I would find that out the hard way. I do know what you refer to with
the POS 2009 hack, but I think that would be fraught with all sorts of
possible complications, and as you say it's on the way out, anyway.

FRG

null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/25/17 12:55 PM, null wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-08-22 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents
of Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5
player.

HTML5 is not a media player. It's a language used for writing
webpages. The new HTML standard (number 5) allows browsers to play
video without the need for a third-party plugin, like Flash,
similar to how you don't need a plugin to view images. For more
info, this video does a good job explaining it
.

Since that video was published, Adobe has announced plans to kill
Flash.

As others have pointed out, the reason why you're having trouble
with HTML5 videos is because modern web browsers require something
later than Windows XP for HTML5 videos.

Glad you said that HTML5 is not a media player. I never thought
there really was an HTML5 player. I only cited it in my original
post because people keep using the term as if there was!

There are many video players that one can install on the HD, but
there is nothing called the HTML Player. Wish Youtube and various
people who write about these things would stop talking as though
there was!!

For instance, just found a Youtube video that I can't play, says my
browser (SM) does not recognize any of the video formats available.
When I click on the link proved in the message to get info about
HTML5 video, I get a Youtube help page that says "You can request
that the HTML5 player be used if your browser doesn't use it by
default" That nonsensical statements implies 1) that something
called the HTML Player exists - it doesn't - and 2) fails to
explain exactly how I can "request" that the HTML player be used!
Further down, there is another reference to "The HTML5 player."
These statements referring to "the HTML player" are to me
completely meaningless - I have no idea what they are supposed to
mean - yet they are put there by Youtube as if what is said is
quite clear. The page also says that my SM browser does support
HTMLVideoElement, Media Source Extensions, and MSE & WebM VP9, but
does not support H.264 or MSE & H.264. So what, exactly, are the
implications of this information? I don't know, and Youtube doesn't
say.

Are you blocking JavaScript?

I'm not blocking JavaScript. However, as a test, I have tried turning
it off in the SM config, but it makes no practical difference to the
video problem.

Thanks for the above links, the contents of which have finally thrown
some light on what people REALLY mean when they talk about the "HTML5
video player", but somehow can't seem to say it clearly. For
instance, the videojs site says that

"Video.js is an open source library for working with video on the
web, also known as an *HTML video player."

*What, exactly, is this ungrammatical and ambiguous sentence actually
trying to tell me? Grammatically, one

Re: SeaMonkey and OpenH264

2017-08-26 Thread WaltS48


On 8/26/17 3:01 AM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
Some time ago Cisco released a H.264 implementation called OpenH264 in 
source and binary form for download from a Cisco server. As part of this 
Cisco pays full H.264 patent royalties for this plugin. Firefox contains 
something to download OpenH264 from the Cisco server (meaning Firefox 
can then have H.264 support without any patent issues)


Does SeaMonkey also use this code to download OpenH264 and get H.264 
support that way? Is this something that is planned? Is there a reason 
SeaMonkey cant do what FireFox does?


Is the Firefox OpenH264 support even used for HTML5 video or is it only 
being used for WebRTC and online video chat things?





My SeaMonkey 2.48 on Linux does not have the OpenH264 Video Codec Plugin 
installed. My Firefox does.


Tools > Add-ons Manager > Plugins.


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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

2017-08-26 Thread Mason83

On 26/08/2017 08:14, null wrote:

> Anyway, thanks to the stuff on your links, I now get the general idea 
> that "an HTML5. video player" refers to software that resides on _the 
> server_, and uses HTML5 rather than flash or webM to do . . . well . . . 
> whatever it does that results in my browser getting a data feed that it 
> can display on my screen as a video.

Not quite. Javascript runs on the client (your browser).
And the video stream (typically a WebM or MP4 container)
is "decapsulated" on the host, and the compressed audio
and video streams are decompressed and sent to the
audio layer and frame buffer of the host.

There is no HTML5 vs WebM. HTML5 video specifies a standard
way to ... interact with a video stream (typically in a
container, but elementary streams might be supported).

> I've noticed that my problem playing some Youtube videos seems to 
> frequently arise with current affairs videos. Just now went to Youtube 
> and found the following, which will not play and gives the error message 
> discussed earlier in this thread. And with JavaScript turned off, I 
> don't even get the error message, just a blank, black window.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfImP6jr28g

That's an MP4 container with H.264-encoded video.
They don't specify the audio codec, I'll bet AAC.

Regards.
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

null wrote:


Thanks for the above links, the contents of which have finally thrown
some light on what people REALLY mean when they talk about the "HTML5
video player", but somehow can't seem to say it clearly. For instance,
the videojs site says that

"Video.js is an open source library for working with video on the web,
also known as an *HTML video player."

*What, exactly, is this ungrammatical and ambiguous sentence actually
trying to tell me? ...


The term "open source library for working with video on the web" is 
being equated with the term "HTML video player." In the simplest 
possible terms, such a "library" is also called a "player."


Definition of "software library" from The Free Dictionary: "a 
collection of standard routines used in computer programs, usually 
stored as an executable file."


So the sentence really isn't ungrammatical or ambiguous. You just have 
to know how to parse it.


Yes, as you say, in the "simplest possible terms", but sometimes 
"simple" becomes "simplistic", and therefore less than clear. Saying 
that you just have to know how to parse it is like saying that you just 
have to understand written English! With the sort of stuff I'm talking 
about in this thread, you shouldn't have to parse and syntatically 
analyze, the meaning should be clear without having to resort to 
re-reading, cogitation, etc. Don't want to make too much of that one 
single sentence above, but I've gotta say that I've found the web 
overflowing with masses of stuff about this or that aspect of computer 
and web technology and new developments in these areas, and that a huge 
proportion of it begs more questions than it answers because it fails to 
comply with even the most basic principles of technical or expository 
writing, or even with basic English grammar and syntax. Given that much 
of it is there for the benefit of non-techie, ordinary users rather than 
geeks, coders, developers, or whatever who would know a lot more, this 
is very frustrating.


But getting back to the problem that I can't use SM or FF to watch video 
presented with Youtube's HTML5 Player, people say that I don't have the 
necessary codecs or that my XP OS doesn't have the necessary. Well, my 
Chrome browser on my XP machine DOES play those videos. If Chrome has 
something in it that does that running on XP, why doesn't FF and SM? 
Now, I can think of various possible answers to that question, but i 
can't identify the correct answer.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

2017-08-26 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

You can try this one:

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/175591-enable-mp4-h264-aac-html5-video-in-firefox-on-windows-xp-without-flash/

Probably the only way to get it working under XP. 2.48 is Fx 51

The POS2009 hack will give you current updates for your system till 2019 but
does nothing for video decoding.

You can get a decent older Thinkpad running Windows 7 like a champ for around
$70. Same for other brands. Older office PCs are probably less. While you can
still get 10 for free from Microsoft but I wouldn't recommend it. Not sure
what to do after 2020 myself. Maybe go to Linux.

FRG

null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/25/17 12:55 PM, null wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-08-22 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.

HTML5 is not a media player. It's a language used for writing webpages.
The new HTML standard (number 5) allows browsers to play video without the
need for a third-party plugin, like Flash, similar to how you don't need a
plugin to view images. For more info, this video does a good job
explaining it .

Since that video was published, Adobe has announced plans to kill Flash.

As others have pointed out, the reason why you're having trouble with
HTML5 videos is because modern web browsers require something later than
Windows XP for HTML5 videos.

Glad you said that HTML5 is not a media player. I never thought there
really was an HTML5 player. I only cited it in my original post because
people keep using the term as if there was!

There are many video players that one can install on the HD, but there is
nothing called the HTML Player. Wish Youtube and various people who write
about these things would stop talking as though there was!!

For instance, just found a Youtube video that I can't play, says my browser
(SM) does not recognize any of the video formats available. When I click on
the link proved in the message to get info about HTML5 video, I get a
Youtube help page that says "You can request that the HTML5 player be used
if your browser doesn't use it by default" That nonsensical statements
implies 1) that something called the HTML Player exists - it doesn't - and
2) fails to explain exactly how I can "request" that the HTML player be
used! Further down, there is another reference to "The HTML5 player." These
statements referring to "the HTML player" are to me completely meaningless
- I have no idea what they are supposed to mean - yet they are put there by
Youtube as if what is said is quite clear. The page also says that my SM
browser does support HTMLVideoElement, Media Source Extensions, and MSE &
WebM VP9, but does not support H.264 or MSE & H.264. So what, exactly, are
the implications of this information? I don't know, and Youtube doesn't say.

Are you blocking JavaScript?

I'm not blocking JavaScript. However, as a test, I have tried turning it off
in the SM config, but it makes no practical difference to the video problem.

Thanks for the above links, the contents of which have finally thrown some
light on what people REALLY mean when they talk about the "HTML5 video
player", but somehow can't seem to say it clearly. For instance, the videojs
site says that

"Video.js is an open source library for working with video on the web, also
known as an *HTML video player."

*What, exactly, is this ungrammatical and ambiguous sentence actually trying
to tell me? Grammatically, one possibility is that working with video on the
web is also known as an HTML video player, but that makes no semantic sense at
all. Other possible but only slightly more meaningful interpretations come to
mind, but I won't waste trying trying to explicate those.

Anyway, thanks to the stuff on your links, I now get the general idea that "an
HTML5. video player" refers to software that resides on _the server_, and uses
HTML5 rather than flash or webM to do . . . well . . . whatever it does that
results in my browser getting a data feed that it can display on my screen as
a video.

I've noticed that my problem playing some Youtube videos seems to frequently
arise with current affairs videos. Just now went to Youtube and found the
following, which will not play and gives the error message discussed earlier
in this thread. And with JavaScript turned off, I don't even get the error
message, just a blank, black window.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfImP6jr28g

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SeaMonkey 2.48 Certificates

2017-08-26 Thread David Guymer

There is something wrong with SeaMonkey 2.48.Every page I go to I get a 
certificate warning.


I have aspersky Total Security 18.0. I have imported the Certificate 
from this program with the same warning afterwards.


All other browswers are unaffected. News and mail are unaffected in 
SeaMonkey.


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SeaMonkey and OpenH264

2017-08-26 Thread Jonathan Wilson

Some time ago Cisco released a H.264 implementation called OpenH264 in 
source and binary form for download from a Cisco server. As part of this 
Cisco pays full H.264 patent royalties for this plugin. Firefox contains 
something to download OpenH264 from the Cisco server (meaning Firefox can 
then have H.264 support without any patent issues)


Does SeaMonkey also use this code to download OpenH264 and get H.264 
support that way? Is this something that is planned? Is there a reason 
SeaMonkey cant do what FireFox does?


Is the Firefox OpenH264 support even used for HTML5 video or is it only 
being used for WebRTC and online video chat things?



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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims


null wrote:


Thanks for the above links, the contents of which have finally thrown
some light on what people REALLY mean when they talk about the "HTML5
video player", but somehow can't seem to say it clearly. For instance,
the videojs site says that

"Video.js is an open source library for working with video on the web,
also known as an *HTML video player."

*What, exactly, is this ungrammatical and ambiguous sentence actually
trying to tell me? ...


The term "open source library for working with video on the web" is 
being equated with the term "HTML video player." In the simplest 
possible terms, such a "library" is also called a "player."


Definition of "software library" from The Free Dictionary: "a collection 
of standard routines used in computer programs, usually stored as an 
executable file."


So the sentence really isn't ungrammatical or ambiguous. You just have 
to know how to parse it.


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