Re: changing default browser

[Ray_Net]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 28-08-19 00:34:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2019-08-27 12:15 p.m., dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???


If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will open in
the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system default is set to.
SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


Interesting!
Thanks Chris.

This is not interesting, this an abuse ...
SM will not appreciate if other programs work with the same philosophy 
"I AM THE BEST" is not a normal attitude  :-(
because rendering web pages are very often well done by FireFox instead 
of SM.

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Re: changing default browser

[dirk]

Paul in Houston, TX schreef:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2019-08-27 12:15 p.m., dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???


If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will open in
the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system default is set to.
SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


Interesting!
Thanks Chris.


yeah, what he said, isn't that against "Windows regulations / law"??
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Re: changing default browser

[dirk]

Paul in Houston, TX schreef:

dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???


A couple of things to try:
1) In SM: edit/prefs/browser/helper apps:  change html open with to Chrome.


the only thing I found there is Adobe text/html changed it into Chrome. 
No fix.


There is no way in that menu I can change general hmtl to be opened with 
Chrome.





2) In windows registry: change htm and html open with to Chrome.



I don't mess with that.

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Re: Source code shown instead of RSS Feed will be subscribed

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

On 27.08.2019 19:39, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

a bug in SM (I don't think so) or a bug at the website.



Hello,

this morning problem link on web page worked fine, added a feed to SM feed 
reader. Link still is
 



So currently to me it seems a SM problem, not a website problem.

I will do more tests with later versions.

Starting any tests with 2.53a1 from 2017 is imho a waste of time. Some things 
are severly broken. There are now over 2000 changes in the latest 2.53. The 
old one might be useful if something is not working only to check against it.


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Re: changing default browser

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 28/08/19 10:33, dirk wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX schreef:

dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???



...> [no success]


Nonetheless, did you try the advice that I linked yesterday?

Look at the second page where the "Standalone SeaMonkey Mail" extension 
 
is discussed. It definitely solved your problem 7 years ago.


On 27/08/19 20:30, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>...>
I believe that SM uses its own protocol handling configuration. When 
you click on a URL in SM Mail it normally tries to use the SM 
browser. You have to tell it to use something else (or to ask the OS 
what else to use) but without overriding its internal use of SM 
browser functionality to view HTML mail.
This forum thread 
 may help

- not tested.


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Thread display in mail/news -- _NOT a bug_, just an annoying feature

[Richard Owlett]

Not only is it a feature, but typically a feature  desired by most users 
most of the time [EVEN me ;].


I make heavy use of customized tags (currently ~50). One frequent tag 
indicates that the thread's content is of long term interest (tag title 
is "my quest"). My default view is "my quest" OR "unread".


If View: is set to "All", the thread pane displays one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.

Otherwise the thread pane displays one line per message in it's tag color.
Excellent choice *USUALLY* ;/

However I'm subscribed to several large mailing list (the general list 
for my OS of choice is currently >100k posts of which ~1k satisfy

{"my quest" OR "unread"}.
I would like those threads to be displayed as one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.


Since Netscape, I have never considered the possible value of 
addins/addons/extensions/etc. Is it time for me to "eat crow"?

Suggestions?
TIA





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Re: Google Earth

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On 8/25/2019 3:01 PM, batroo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Running win 10 on a Dell 530s desktop. 
> I have been trying to load GE from a new download. I get the message that 
> "This app cannot run on your PC" I have also tried a new version of Google 
> Earth Pro with similar results. 
> The closest I got was GE open with the side bar and the portion that should 
> contain an image of the Earth but it is all black, no planet earth. If I 
> enter a location it does nothing at all. 
> Is there a way to get Google Earth or even Google Earth Pro up and running on 
> my PC? Thank you.

Did you download the correct version for a desktop?
https://www.google.com/earth/versions/#download-pro
This one works fine here on a Win 10 64bit system

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Re: changing default browser

[Chris Ilias]

On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will open 
in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system default is 
set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system use a 
different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't you 
remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 



Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)

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Re: changing default browser

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will open 
in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system default is 
set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system use 
a different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't you 
remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 



Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?

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Re: changing default browser

[Chris Ilias]

On 2019-08-28 7:38 a.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will 
open in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system 
default is set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system use 
a different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't you 
remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 



Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?


There isn't one.

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Re: changing default browser

[WaltS48]

On 8/28/19 7:38 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will 
open in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system 
default is set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system use 
a different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't you 
remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 



Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?



Use a different email application like Thunderbird?

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Re: changing default browser

[Daniel]

Chris Ilias wrote on 28/08/2019 9:43 PM:

On 2019-08-28 7:38 a.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will 
open in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system 
default is set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system 
use a different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't 
you remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 


Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?


There isn't one.

ChrisI, I remember that there was a (mail or mailnews) Pref that could 
be changed, by going into about:config and changing that pref so that 
any link in Mail/News that was clicked on would cause SM (or was it Moz 
Suite or even Netscape Suite) to not use its browser to display the web 
site but would, instead, cause the System's Default Browser to open, 
displaying the appropriate web page.


Do you recall this happening?? Do any of the SM Devs recall this happening??

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
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Re: changing default browser

[Chris Ilias]

On 2019-08-28 9:19 a.m., Daniel wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 28/08/2019 9:43 PM:

On 2019-08-28 7:38 a.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will 
open in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system 
default is set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system 
use a different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't 
you remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 


Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?


There isn't one.

ChrisI, I remember that there was a (mail or mailnews) Pref that could 
be changed, by going into about:config and changing that pref so that 
any link in Mail/News that was clicked on would cause SM (or was it Moz 
Suite or even Netscape Suite) to not use its browser to display the web 
site but would, instead, cause the System's Default Browser to open, 
displaying the appropriate web page.


Do you recall this happening?? Do any of the SM Devs recall this 
happening??


It no longer worked when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)

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Re: changing default browser

[Ray_Net]

Chris Ilias wrote on 28-08-19 13:43:

On 2019-08-28 7:38 a.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will 
open in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system 
default is set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system 
use a different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't 
you remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 



Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?


There isn't one.

Perhaps removing SM  - make Chrome te default browser  - then re-install 
SM and don't accept the SM suggestion asking to be the default browser 

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Re: changing default browser

[dirk]

Dirk Fieldhouse schreef:

On 28/08/19 10:33, dirk wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX schreef:

dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???



...> [no success]


Nonetheless, did you try the advice that I linked yesterday?

Look at the second page where the "Standalone SeaMonkey Mail" extension 
 
is discussed. It definitely solved your problem 7 years ago.


On 27/08/19 20:30, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
 >...>
I believe that SM uses its own protocol handling configuration. When 
you click on a URL in SM Mail it normally tries to use the SM browser. 
You have to tell it to use something else (or to ask the OS what else 
to use) but without overriding its internal use of SM browser 
functionality to view HTML mail.
This forum thread 
 may help

- not tested.




I'm not very keen on addons in general, and besides the case, a program 
running on Windows OS, should respect it's rules.


It is imho NOT DONE to hostage users that made a browser standard, and 
not allowing to change that afterwards.


Someone here advised to uninstall SM, set chrome to default, and 
reinstall SM, but with my mailbase from years back, I don't really want 
to do that, I had a few crashes over the years, and it's a pain to get 
it all back.


I started out with Netscape to ascend the comoners back then, only to 
realise now that SM is doing the exact same thing, terrorizing the 
"neighborhood" with what sounds to me as inapropriate restrictions).


I need to rethink, maybe try the addon anyway.

Thanks to everyone for the help!
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Re: changing default browser

[dirk]

dirk schreef:

Dirk Fieldhouse schreef:

On 28/08/19 10:33, dirk wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX schreef:

dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???



...> [no success]


Nonetheless, did you try the advice that I linked yesterday?

Look at the second page where the "Standalone SeaMonkey Mail" 
extension 
 
is discussed. It definitely solved your problem 7 years ago.


On 27/08/19 20:30, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
 >...>
I believe that SM uses its own protocol handling configuration. When 
you click on a URL in SM Mail it normally tries to use the SM 
browser. You have to tell it to use something else (or to ask the OS 
what else to use) but without overriding its internal use of SM 
browser functionality to view HTML mail.
This forum thread 
 may help

- not tested.




I'm not very keen on addons in general, and besides the case, a program 
running on Windows OS, should respect it's rules.


It is imho NOT DONE to hostage users that made a browser standard, and 
not allowing to change that afterwards.


Someone here advised to uninstall SM, set chrome to default, and 
reinstall SM, but with my mailbase from years back, I don't really want 
to do that, I had a few crashes over the years, and it's a pain to get 
it all back.


I started out with Netscape to ascend the comoners back then, only to 
realise now that SM is doing the exact same thing, terrorizing the 
"neighborhood" with what sounds to me as inapropriate restrictions).


I need to rethink, maybe try the addon anyway.

Thanks to everyone for the help!


The text in the permissions warning makes me hold back:

"Please note this add-on uses legacy technology, which gives it access 
to all browser functions and data without requesting your permission."


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Re: changing default browser

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

dirk wrote:

dirk schreef:

Dirk Fieldhouse schreef:

On 28/08/19 10:33, dirk wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX schreef:

dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???



...> [no success]


Nonetheless, did you try the advice that I linked yesterday?

Look at the second page where the "Standalone SeaMonkey Mail" 
extension 
 
is discussed. It definitely solved your problem 7 years ago.


On 27/08/19 20:30, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
 >...>
I believe that SM uses its own protocol handling configuration. When 
you click on a URL in SM Mail it normally tries to use the SM 
browser. You have to tell it to use something else (or to ask the OS 
what else to use) but without overriding its internal use of SM 
browser functionality to view HTML mail.
This forum thread 
 may help

- not tested.




I'm not very keen on addons in general, and besides the case, a 
program running on Windows OS, should respect it's rules.


It is imho NOT DONE to hostage users that made a browser standard, and 
not allowing to change that afterwards.


Someone here advised to uninstall SM, set chrome to default, and 
reinstall SM, but with my mailbase from years back, I don't really 
want to do that, I had a few crashes over the years, and it's a pain 
to get it all back.


I started out with Netscape to ascend the comoners back then, only to 
realise now that SM is doing the exact same thing, terrorizing the 
"neighborhood" with what sounds to me as inapropriate restrictions).


I need to rethink, maybe try the addon anyway.

Thanks to everyone for the help!


The text in the permissions warning makes me hold back:

"Please note this add-on uses legacy technology, which gives it access 
to all browser functions and data without requesting your permission."




If you look at the postings from Chris Ilias in this thread, 
Seamonkey/Mail has been hardwired to use Seamonkey/Browser since the 
release of version 2.0.

If this is the case, Chris would know.

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Re: Thread display in mail/news -- _NOT a bug_, just an annoying feature

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Richard Owlett wrote:
Not only is it a feature, but typically a feature  desired by most users 
most of the time [EVEN me ;].


I make heavy use of customized tags (currently ~50). One frequent tag 
indicates that the thread's content is of long term interest (tag title 
is "my quest"). My default view is "my quest" OR "unread".


If View: is set to "All", the thread pane displays one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.

Otherwise the thread pane displays one line per message in it's tag color.
Excellent choice *USUALLY* ;/

However I'm subscribed to several large mailing list (the general list 
for my OS of choice is currently >100k posts of which ~1k satisfy

{"my quest" OR "unread"}.
I would like those threads to be displayed as one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.


As far as I can tell trying out a couple of the default views (View > 
Messages > Tags > Personal and View > Messages > Custom Views > Recent 
Mail), it does still show them as threaded. If not, you may be able to 
set that at View > Sort by > Threaded. However, all threads are 
initially expanded to show all the messages. View > Threads > Collapse 
All Threads (or "\" on the keyboard) collapses each thread to a single 
line. Does that work for your custom view?


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Re: changing default browser

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 28-08-19 13:43:

On 2019-08-28 7:38 a.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will 
open in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system 
default is set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system 
use a different browser even when the page is called from SM. Don't 
you remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 



Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?


There isn't one.

Perhaps removing SM  - make Chrome te default browser  - then re-install 
SM and don't accept the SM suggestion asking to be the default browser 


Chris Ilias has been involved with this project since men were men and 
sheep were nervous.  If he says it can't be done, believe it.
WaltS48's habit of saying "use another program" is normally annoying, 
but in this case using Thunderbird would be the option.


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Re: Thread display in mail/news -- _NOT a bug_, just an annoying feature

[Richard Owlett]

On 08/28/2019 02:24 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:
Not only is it a feature, but typically a feature  desired by most 
users most of the time [EVEN me ;].


I make heavy use of customized tags (currently ~50). One frequent tag 
indicates that the thread's content is of long term interest (tag 
title is "my quest"). My default view is "my quest" OR "unread".


If View: is set to "All", the thread pane displays one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.
Otherwise the thread pane displays one line per message in it's tag 
color.

Excellent choice *USUALLY* ;/

However I'm subscribed to several large mailing list (the general list 
for my OS of choice is currently >100k posts of which ~1k satisfy

{"my quest" OR "unread"}.
I would like those threads to be displayed as one line per thread 
colored to match the highest priority tag in that thread.


As far as I can tell trying out a couple of the default views (View > 
Messages > Tags > Personal and View > Messages > Custom Views > Recent 
Mail), it does still show them as threaded. If not, you may be able to 
set that at View > Sort by > Threaded. However, all threads are 
initially expanded to show all the messages. View > Threads > Collapse 
All Threads (or "\" on the keyboard) collapses each thread to a single 
line. Does that work for your custom view?


Like a charm. With "*" and "\" I can switch back and forth at will.
Thanks


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Re: changing default browser

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 28/08/19 20:21, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

dirk wrote:

dirk schreef:

Dirk Fieldhouse schreef:

On 28/08/19 10:33, dirk wrote:

dirk wrote:

In seamonkey my default browswer is. seamonkey and I can NOT
change that (greyed out)

How do I change that to i.e. Chrome???


[no success]


Nonetheless, did you try the advice that I linked yesterday?

Look at the second page where the "Standalone SeaMonkey Mail" 
extension 


 is discussed. It definitely solved your problem 7 years ago. >...>
I'm not very keen on addons in general, and besides the case, a 
program running on Windows OS, should respect its rules.


It is imho NOT DONE to hostage users that made a browser standard, 
and not allowing to change that afterwards.


Well, Netscape, and then the Mozilla Suite which became SeaMonkey, were 
conceived as integrated internet packages. "Thanks" to j...@jwz.org, HTML 
rendering became part of email processing and having the browser and 
email in one program made this practical on machines of the day.


The browser and mail/news components were broken out as Firefox (etc) 
and Thunderbird: Thunderbird can and does ask the OS which browser to 
use for external URLs. You could install Firefox and Thunderbird, or 
indeed Chrome and Thunderbird, and have the OS default browser selection 
respected. By choosing SeaMonkey, you are effectively saying that you 
don't want that. If SM mail/news works for you and Thunderbird doesn't, 
you have to adapt SM to work as a stand-alone mail/news program, as below.



...>

The text in the permissions warning makes me hold back:

"Please note this add-on uses legacy technology, which gives it access 
to all browser functions and data without requesting your permission."


That just means it's a traditional add-on rather than a WebExtension, I 
think, which is unsurprising since it's intended for SM 2.19 - 2.49.*. 
Anyhow a quick scan of the code confirms that there are no unwanted 
features.


If you look at the postings from Chris Ilias in this thread, 
Seamonkey/Mail has been hardwired to use Seamonkey/Browser since the 
release of version 2.0.

If this is the case, Chris would know.


That's why you need an extension to bypass the internal "wiring", which 
in the standalone-seamonkey-mail extension looks like this:

...
  if (winType == "mail:messageWindow" || winType == "mail:3pane") {

window.addEventListener("click", mailClickListener, true);

...
function mailClickListener(e) {

  var loadInExt = e.button == 0 || (e.button == 1 && 
getBoolPref("extensions.standaloneMail.middleClick"));




  if (!loadInExt) {

return;

  }



  var window = e.target.ownerDocument.defaultView;

  launchExternalBrowserFromElement(window, e);

}

...


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Re: changing default browser

[Ray_Net]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 28-08-19 21:26:

Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 28-08-19 13:43:

On 2019-08-28 7:38 a.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2019-08-27 11:19 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you click on a link in SeaMonkey mail and newsgroups, it will 
open in the SeaMonkey browser, regardless of what your system 
default is set to. SeaMonkey is hard-coded to do that.


But there's a tweak that's been discussed here to have the system 
use a different browser even when the page is called from SM. 
Don't you remember what that was? (I don't...)


Ah! Found it!

 



Is that still valid seven years later?


It was no longer valid when SeaMonkey 2.0 was released. :)


OK, so what's the current tweak?


There isn't one.

Perhaps removing SM  - make Chrome te default browser  - then 
re-install SM and don't accept the SM suggestion asking to be the 
default browser 


Chris Ilias has been involved with this project since men were men and 
sheep were nervous.  If he says it can't be done, believe it.


It seems very easy to try my idea ...
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