Re: Bookmarks -- An alternative viewer/editor?

[EE]

Richard Owlett wrote:
"Bookmark Manager" *can* move groups of bookmarks to different place in 
hierarchy.
*HOWEVER* I have thousands of bookmarks and it is near impossible to 
view structure as a whole. [places.sqlite is 10.5 MB]


Exporting as HTML loses relationship between groups of bookmarks.

Short of learning to program sqlite, suggestions?

TIA



You can use cut & paste.  Ctrl-X is cut and Ctrl-v is paste.

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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[EE]

EE wrote:

Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953


If it is just folders and not subscriptions you want to rearrange, 
Folderpane Tools works.  You can get it at addons.thunderbird.net.  It 
is a Thunderbird extension, so you would need to run it through the 
converter site first.

http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/


Looks as if Folderpane Tools does not work any more.  It has been a 
while since I last had to use it.  Manually Sort Folders does work to 
sort folders, but not the subscriptions.  You can drag and drop those.


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Re: Bulding Seamonkey - client.py missing

[Ian Neal via support-seamonkey]

On 19/08/2020 5:01 pm, Erik Rull wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

I can't help directly, but:
- It looks as though you are trying to compile for Linux
- Have you looked at the thread "2.53.1 build error: NSModules are not ordered
appropriately" by Tristan Miller?  The thread was opened on 3-3-2020.  Don't
bother with my contributions there, the FRG ones (+ Tristan's responses) are 
key.



Thanks - but I don'T find the thread, I joined too late to the list and the
newsgroup archive doesn't seem to be public available.

Any other description for building the software from sources? So both FF and SM
seem to be invalid here... The python command definitively points to a file that
is not existing in the repos. So it's more a question about a broken repo, 
isn't it?

Best regards,

Erik



client.py is no longer used and probably needs removing.

For building 2.53.x one starting point is the README.txt on the ftp page:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.4b1/README.txt

You can leave out the "-b 2_53_4_beta_01" part to just pull whatever the 
current default branch is.


You will need to make sure you have installed the build tools, see 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Build_Instructions/Simple_SeaMonkey_build#Installing_build_tools


Minimum rust level is 1.37.0 (up to 1.43.1 should work).
Clang version 9.0.1 is maximum tested.

You will need a mozconfig similar to below (make sure you set a suitable 
MOZ_OBJDIR).


Regards,

Ian

Example mozconfig:

export CC=clang
export CXX=clang++
mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=suite
ac_add_options --enable-application=suite
ac_add_options --enable-calendar
ac_add_options --enable-irc
ac_add_options --enable-dominspector
ac_add_options --enable-debugqa
mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=/home/username/obj-dir
ac_add_options --enable-optimize
ac_add_options --enable-release
ac_add_options --enable-js-shell
ac_add_options --enable-elf-hack
ac_add_options --enable-update-channel=release
ac_add_options --disable-debug-symbols
ac_add_options --disable-tests

# Use ccache
ac_add_options --with-ccache=/usr/bin/ccache

# Needed to enable breakpad in application.ini
export MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1

# Disable checking that add-ons are signed by the trusted root
MOZ_ADDON_SIGNING=0
# Disable enforcing that add-ons are signed by the trusted root
MOZ_REQUIRE_SIGNING=0

# Package js shell
export MOZ_PACKAGE_JSSHELL=1

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
-


I don't recall for certain, and no longer have a GMail account to
check, but when I did I think GMail ignored the client's setting to
delete or retain messages downloaded via POP.  Instead, there was a
setting somewhere in GMail's web interface to set what it would do
with messages downloaded by POP (delete or retain).  So check that
too.  It could also be that they've changed that behaviour to honour
the client's setting (which might have been set to delete messages
all along, but ignored by GMail until now) or changed the options on
their side in some other way.


That is correct, and I had (somehow) figured that out a few years ago, 
when I got them both set-up.  Everything was functioning normally, by 
the time I got to both machines for side by side testing, so a google 
glitch is the likely suspect.  Thank you.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

NFN Smith wrote:
(to GW)


Are you using IMAP or POP?  If IMAP, then both machines should be
seeing the exact same thing.

If you're using POP, it is possible for sharing among multiple
machines (at least for the Inbox), but if you're doing that, you
really want to adjust your mail retention settings so that one POP
client isn't deleting stuff from the server when downloading, and the
other machine doesn't get to see that stuff.  I do POP on my primary
profile, and set mail retention to not delete for 2 weeks, which
allows any other profiles I use (all IMAP) to always have the last 2
weeks of received mail available.

Although it's possible that Google may have have had some sort of
temporary glitch, the other possibility would be that the upstairs
machine may have gotten its mail retention settings changed,
somehow.

It's also possible that somehow, on the downstairs machine, the
tracking of POP status got confused.  I don't remember the file name
for that, so I won't suggest what you could do to check.


At this point, you do want to take a look at the mailbox from a web
client, and see what's on the server.

Smith



Thank you Smith.  By the time I got to both machines for side by side 
comparison, (both IMAP set-up) a few test emails from me, were both 
correctly received by both machines.  So, random glitch on their side is 
all I can conclude.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

(To GW)

It could be something not within your control, perhaps related to this
issue:


Can’t send something on Gmail? If so then you’re in good company, ever
since about midnight ET, people have been complaining about issues
connecting to many of the G suite services, but especially Gmail.


(copied from https://www.engadget.com/gmail-is-down-053821685.html)



Great! Thank you Bill.  I had done a quick search for gmail issues and 
didn't find that.  Also, when I got to the machines later to run 
testing, both were receiving the same test messages I sent, at that time 
(from me).  So I must presume Google fixed itself.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

Edward wrote:

(to GW)
One thing to check in the settings is to make sure both systems are *not
polling GMail at the exact same time*. If this occurs, it's entirely
possible that GMail would see an abnormal number of simultaneous
connections from your IP address and blocked the second system from
connecting.

Earlier this year, I had a similar problem, although not with SeaMonkey
or Gmail, where a new Android e-mail app I was trying, unexpectedly
caused an excessive number of connections to a provider's IMAP server
all at once, which (1) exceeded the connection limit and (2) resulted in
the account becoming temporarily locked. The app in question was
establishing connections with /every IMAP folder/, which I was told it
should not have been doing.

Hope this helps.



Thank you Edward.  The two machines are (to my knowledge) not awake at 
the same time.  When I got to the machines later to run testing, both 
were receiving the same test messages I sent, at that time (from me). 
So I guess it was a random glitch or Google fixed itself.

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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[Edward]

Edward wrote:

Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953


Version 1.1 of this add-on /does/ work with SeaMonkey, I use it.

It needs to be run through the converter at 
https://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ before adding it to your 
SeaMonkey installation.



Correction on the add-on version number, it's: 1.1.1


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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[Edward]

Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953


Version 1.1 of this add-on /does/ work with SeaMonkey, I use it.

It needs to be run through the converter at 
https://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ before adding it to your 
SeaMonkey installation.



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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[EE]

Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953


If it is just folders and not subscriptions you want to rearrange, 
Folderpane Tools works.  You can get it at addons.thunderbird.net.  It 
is a Thunderbird extension, so you would need to run it through the 
converter site first.

http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
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Re: Bookmarks -- An alternative viewer/editor?

[Bill Spikowski]

Richard Owlett wrote:

"Bookmark Manager" *can* move groups of bookmarks to different place in 
hierarchy.
*HOWEVER* I have thousands of bookmarks and it is near impossible to view 
structure as a whole. [places.sqlite is 10.5 MB]

Exporting as HTML loses relationship between groups of bookmarks.

Short of learning to program sqlite, suggestions?

TIA





I'm up to 12,000 bookmarks these days, and have never had a problem moving 
large folders of bookmarks around using Bookmark Manager.

I have maybe 15 first-level folders, with lots of subfolders within each. With 
that kind of organization, I can easily see the big-picture folder structure, 
and still have plenty of room on the screen to drill down within a couple of 
first-level folders at the same time while reorganizing the subfolders and 
individual bookmarks.
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Re: Is SeaMonkey using too much RAM

[Edward]

David H. Durgee wrote:

Edward wrote:



I'll have to look if I can turn that off in Android...

I am looking into upgrading the memory in this desktop, it has 4Gb
factory installed and can have up to to 8Gb.

Since changing the 'swappiness' from the default to 60, to 10, swap
usage today has been an at absolute minimum, not even 1Mb used.




Have you seen an improvement in performance as a consequence?  Glad to
have been able to help.

Dave


Yes. No sluggishness at all so far today. SeaMonkey has been running for 
a good six hours already.



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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[David E. Ross]

On 8/23/2020 11:28 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 8/23/2020 10:38 AM, Samuel S wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 8/23/2020 8:22 AM, Samuel S wrote:
 Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

 The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

 TIA - bo1953

>>>
>>> Mail folders or bookmark folders?
>>>
>>
>> My bad, Mail
>>
>> Thank you...
>>
> 
> I just did that for Thunderbird.  SeaMonkey should be the same.  It
> involves editing the file prefs.js VERY, VERY CAREFULLY.  You will need
> a list of the actual servers used by the various accounts.
> 
> I would first save a backup copy of prefs.js, which is found in your
> profile.  To get there, go to your menu bar and select [Help >
> Troubleshooting Information].  Select the Open Folder button to the
> right of Profile Folder, all of which is in the first section under
> Application Basics.
> 
> Then, enter about:config in the URL bar.  If you get a warning popup,
> acknowledge it but continue.   In the Search area, enter
>   mail.server.server
> You will see a large number of results, sorted by server number.  Note
> the number associated with each actual server.  Some server numbers will
> not have an actual server; these might be "smart folders", "local
> folder", "feeds", etc.  Note these, too.
> 
> Now you must associate each noted server with an account.  For each
> account, enter it in the Search area.  Note what account is indicated by
> the preference variables.
> 
> So far, you have not changed anything.  Now comes the VERY CAREFUL part.
>  In the Search area, enter
>   mail.accountmanager.accounts
> The value is a comma-separated list of accounts in the order you want
> them to appear.
> 

Oops!  I hit Send too soon.  The value has NO blanks among the
comma-separated list.  When you are done rearranging the list, close all
instances of SeaMonkey for the result to take effect.  (Normally, that
is not necessary when changing preferences; but in this case, it is
indeed needed.)


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Re: Is SeaMonkey using too much RAM

[David H. Durgee]

Edward wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> On 8/22/2020 4:55 PM, Edward wrote:
>>> David H. Durgee wrote:
>>>
 AGH! Stupid auto-correct!  Here is the proper post:
>> ...
>>>
>>> I always seem to have auto-correct problems on my Android.  :-)
>>
>> I always turn those auto features off. I do let it highlights for me
>> for me manually fix.
> 
> I'll have to look if I can turn that off in Android...
> 
> I am looking into upgrading the memory in this desktop, it has 4Gb
> factory installed and can have up to to 8Gb.
> 
> Since changing the 'swappiness' from the default to 60, to 10, swap
> usage today has been an at absolute minimum, not even 1Mb used.
> 
> 

Have you seen an improvement in performance as a consequence?  Glad to
have been able to help.

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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[David E. Ross]

On 8/23/2020 10:38 AM, Samuel S wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/23/2020 8:22 AM, Samuel S wrote:
>>> Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?
>>>
>>> The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...
>>>
>>> TIA - bo1953
>>>
>>
>> Mail folders or bookmark folders?
>>
> 
> My bad, Mail
> 
> Thank you...
> 

I just did that for Thunderbird.  SeaMonkey should be the same.  It
involves editing the file prefs.js VERY, VERY CAREFULLY.  You will need
a list of the actual servers used by the various accounts.

I would first save a backup copy of prefs.js, which is found in your
profile.  To get there, go to your menu bar and select [Help >
Troubleshooting Information].  Select the Open Folder button to the
right of Profile Folder, all of which is in the first section under
Application Basics.

Then, enter about:config in the URL bar.  If you get a warning popup,
acknowledge it but continue.   In the Search area, enter
mail.server.server
You will see a large number of results, sorted by server number.  Note
the number associated with each actual server.  Some server numbers will
not have an actual server; these might be "smart folders", "local
folder", "feeds", etc.  Note these, too.

Now you must associate each noted server with an account.  For each
account, enter it in the Search area.  Note what account is indicated by
the preference variables.

So far, you have not changed anything.  Now comes the VERY CAREFUL part.
 In the Search area, enter
mail.accountmanager.accounts
The value is a comma-separated list of accounts in the order you want
them to appear.

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Re: Is SeaMonkey using too much RAM

[Edward]

Ant wrote:

On 8/22/2020 4:55 PM, Edward wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


AGH! Stupid auto-correct!  Here is the proper post:

...


I always seem to have auto-correct problems on my Android.  :-)


I always turn those auto features off. I do let it highlights for me for 
me manually fix.


I'll have to look if I can turn that off in Android...

I am looking into upgrading the memory in this desktop, it has 4Gb 
factory installed and can have up to to 8Gb.


Since changing the 'swappiness' from the default to 60, to 10, swap 
usage today has been an at absolute minimum, not even 1Mb used.



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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[Samuel S]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/23/2020 8:22 AM, Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953



Mail folders or bookmark folders?



My bad, Mail

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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[Samuel S]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/23/2020 8:22 AM, Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953



Mail folders or bookmark folders?



My bad, Mail

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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[Samuel S]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/23/2020 8:22 AM, Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953



Mail folders or bookmark folders?



My bad, Mail

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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[Samuel S]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/23/2020 8:22 AM, Samuel S wrote:

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

TIA - bo1953



Mail folders or bookmark folders?



My bad, Mail

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Re: Is SeaMonkey using too much RAM

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On 8/22/2020 4:55 PM, Edward wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


AGH! Stupid auto-correct!  Here is the proper post:

...


I always seem to have auto-correct problems on my Android.  :-)


I always turn those auto features off. I do let it highlights for me for 
me manually fix.

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Re: Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

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On 8/23/2020 8:22 AM, Samuel S wrote:
> Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?
> 
> The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...
> 
> TIA - bo1953
> 

Mail folders or bookmark folders?

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Folder Sorting Assistance SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[Samuel S]

Hello all - can anyone advise how I can sort folders?

The Add On 'Manually Sort Folders' does not work...

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Bookmarks -- An alternative viewer/editor?

[Richard Owlett]

"Bookmark Manager" *can* move groups of bookmarks to different place in 
hierarchy.
*HOWEVER* I have thousands of bookmarks and it is near impossible to 
view structure as a whole. [places.sqlite is 10.5 MB]


Exporting as HTML loses relationship between groups of bookmarks.

Short of learning to program sqlite, suggestions?

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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Paul Bergsagel schrieb:

Does the page function as expected if you are signed in?



Hi Paul,

no, being signed in does not help


CU

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

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NFN Smith wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:
So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for 
SeaMonkey to "get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.


They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to 
help her remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying 
a computer up or down stairs.


Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages 
that the upstairs one did.


Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, 
Sat Aug 22, 2020?



Are you using IMAP or POP?  If IMAP, then both machines should be seeing 
the exact same thing.


If you're using POP, it is possible for sharing among multiple machines 
(at least for the Inbox), but if you're doing that, you really want to 
adjust your mail retention settings so that one POP client isn't 
deleting stuff from the server when downloading, and the other machine 
doesn't get to see that stuff.  I do POP on my primary profile, and set 
mail retention to not delete for 2 weeks, which allows any other 
profiles I use (all IMAP) to always have the last 2 weeks of received 
mail available.


Although it's possible that Google may have have had some sort of 
temporary glitch, the other possibility would be that the upstairs 
machine may have gotten its mail retention settings changed, somehow.


I don't recall for certain, and no longer have a GMail account to check, 
but when I did I think GMail ignored the client's setting to delete or 
retain messages downloaded via POP.  Instead, there was a setting 
somewhere in GMail's web interface to set what it would do with messages 
downloaded by POP (delete or retain).  So check that too.  It could also 
be that they've changed that behaviour to honour the client's setting 
(which might have been set to delete messages all along, but ignored by 
GMail until now) or changed the options on their side in some other way.


It's also possible that somehow, on the downstairs machine, the tracking 
of POP status got confused.  I don't remember the file name for that, so 
I won't suggest what you could do to check.


Also possible, though my experience has usually been that something 
going wrong there leads to duplicate copies of previous messages being 
downloaded from the server.


Back up your profile before messing with it!

Still assuming you are using POP and not IMAP...  There's a popstate.dat 
file in the local message storage directory for the account.  You could 
try deleting it (with SeaMonkey closed), but be aware that will lead to 
any messages still on the server being downloaded again, leading to 
duplicates or restoring previously deleted messages.  Before doing this, 
you may want to apply a tag to all messages currently in the local 
inbox, so that you can tell which ones are newly downloaded (and 
possible duplicated) and which were already in the local folder.


At this point, you do want to take a look at the mailbox from a web 
client, and see what's on the server.


That's always useful to help see what's going on!  If the messages are 
still on the server, the question is why the second client hasn't 
downloaded them.  If they're not still on the server, the question is 
why they've been deleted after the first client received them.


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