Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Bob Fleischer]

On 5/30/2020 5:34 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

JAS wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ken wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a
different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my 
locations for SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both 
C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using the 
64 bit location now.  Is there any reason I could not simply delete the 
32 bit directory??  Or is there a better way to remove the old files??


Please check Windows "Programs and Features" to see if both versions are 
installed. If best is to uninstall both and reinstall only the x64 
version. Just deleting the x86 will leave fragments behind. If you still 
have anything in x86 SeaMonkey left after you uninstalled you can delete 
them. Might be ancient non working bundled add-ons or plugins then.


FRG

My Seamonkey profile is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles
and my SeaMonkey program is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Local\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe
When I installed I thought I installed in the default location




Looks like you did not have Admin rights when you installed it.  Did you 
answer "no" to some security question posed by Windows?  I assume you'd have 
to uninstall and reinstall to get past that one.


With recent installations of SeaMonkey on Windows 10 I have no longer been 
prompted to install as administrator.  I have to deliberately install from 
an administrator account (I suspect "run as administrator" would also work), 
otherwise I get a local, non-system wide installation without comment, 
notice, or warning.


And if one accidentally gets a per-user installation and then installs as 
administrator, the per-user installation is not removed, and must be removed 
separately.


Bob

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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Bob Fleischer]

On 5/30/2020 5:34 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

JAS wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ken wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a
different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my 
locations for SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both 
C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using the 
64 bit location now.  Is there any reason I could not simply delete the 
32 bit directory??  Or is there a better way to remove the old files??


Please check Windows "Programs and Features" to see if both versions are 
installed. If best is to uninstall both and reinstall only the x64 
version. Just deleting the x86 will leave fragments behind. If you still 
have anything in x86 SeaMonkey left after you uninstalled you can delete 
them. Might be ancient non working bundled add-ons or plugins then.


FRG

My Seamonkey profile is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles
and my SeaMonkey program is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Local\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe
When I installed I thought I installed in the default location




Looks like you did not have Admin rights when you installed it.  Did you 
answer "no" to some security question posed by Windows?  I assume you'd have 
to uninstall and reinstall to get past that one.


With recent installations of SeaMonkey on Windows 10 I have no longer been 
prompted to install as administrator.  I have to deliberately install from 
an administrator account (I suspect "run as administrator" would also work), 
otherwise I get a local, non-system wide installation without comment, 
notice, or warning.


And if one accidentally gets a per-user installation and then installs as 
administrator, the per-user installation is not removed, and must be removed 
separately.


Bob

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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

JAS wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ken wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going 
to a

different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my 
locations for SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both 
C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using 
the 64 bit location now.  Is there any reason I could not simply 
delete the 32 bit directory??  Or is there a better way to remove the 
old files??


Please check Windows "Programs and Features" to see if both versions 
are installed. If best is to uninstall both and reinstall only the x64 
version. Just deleting the x86 will leave fragments behind. If you 
still have anything in x86 SeaMonkey left after you uninstalled you 
can delete them. Might be ancient non working bundled add-ons or 
plugins then.


FRG

My Seamonkey profile is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles
and my SeaMonkey program is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Local\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe
When I installed I thought I installed in the default location




Looks like you did not have Admin rights when you installed it.  Did you 
answer "no" to some security question posed by Windows?  I assume you'd 
have to uninstall and reinstall to get past that one.


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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[JAS]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ken wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going 
to a

different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my 
locations for SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both 
C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using 
the 64 bit location now.  Is there any reason I could not simply 
delete the 32 bit directory??  Or is there a better way to remove the 
old files??


Please check Windows "Programs and Features" to see if both versions are 
installed. If best is to uninstall both and reinstall only the x64 
version. Just deleting the x86 will leave fragments behind. If you still 
have anything in x86 SeaMonkey left after you uninstalled you can delete 
them. Might be ancient non working bundled add-ons or plugins then.


FRG

My Seamonkey profile is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles
and my SeaMonkey program is installed at:
C:\Users\Margaret\AppData\Local\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe
When I installed I thought I installed in the default location


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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Ken]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ken wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going 
to a

different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my 
locations for SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both 
C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using 
the 64 bit location now.  Is there any reason I could not simply 
delete the 32 bit directory??  Or is there a better way to remove the 
old files??


Please check Windows "Programs and Features" to see if both versions are 
installed. If best is to uninstall both and reinstall only the x64 
version. Just deleting the x86 will leave fragments behind. If you still 
have anything in x86 SeaMonkey left after you uninstalled you can delete 
them. Might be ancient non working bundled add-ons or plugins then.


FRG


Worked fine, thanks.
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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[JAS]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ken wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going 
to a

different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my 
locations for SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both 
C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using 
the 64 bit location now.  Is there any reason I could not simply 
delete the 32 bit directory??  Or is there a better way to remove the 
old files??


Please check Windows "Programs and Features" to see if both versions are 
installed. If best is to uninstall both and reinstall only the x64 
version. Just deleting the x86 will leave fragments behind. If you still 
have anything in x86 SeaMonkey left after you uninstalled you can delete 
them. Might be ancient non working bundled add-ons or plugins then.


FRG

I have nothing in either Program Files x86 or Program Files ???
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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ken wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a
different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my locations for 
SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both C:\Program Files and 
C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using the 64 bit location now.  Is 
there any reason I could not simply delete the 32 bit directory??  Or is there 
a better way to remove the old files??


Please check Windows "Programs and Features" to see if both versions are 
installed. If best is to uninstall both and reinstall only the x64 version. 
Just deleting the x86 will leave fragments behind. If you still have anything 
in x86 SeaMonkey left after you uninstalled you can delete them. Might be 
ancient non working bundled add-ons or plugins then.


FRG
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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Ken]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a
different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.

JAS



If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.



The questions and answers of this thread prompted me to check my 
locations for SeaMonkey.  I see I have a folder for SeaMonkey in both 
C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).  Apparently I am using the 
64 bit location now.  Is there any reason I could not simply delete the 
32 bit directory??  Or is there a better way to remove the old files??

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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/28/20 7:21 PM, JAS wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

JAS wrote:
How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their 
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a 
different bit when updating it is advised to uninstall first.


JAS

Check user agent. I think yours is x86 32 bit.

Mine is x64:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.4


FRG



Windows NT 10.0; WOW64 means 32-bit. You are using Windows 10.

Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64 means 64-bit. FRG is using Windows 7.



Nope 6.3 = Windows 8.1 otherwise correct.

FRG
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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[JAS]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/28/20 7:21 PM, JAS wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

JAS wrote:
How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their 
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going 
to a different bit when updating it is advised to uninstall first.


JAS


Check user agent. I think yours is x86 32 bit.

Mine is x64:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.4


FRG

Here is what mine says:
Name: SeaMonkey
Version: 2.49.5
Build ID: 20190805004435
Update Channel: release
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5

OS: Windows_NT 10.0
Multiprocess Windows: 0/1 (Disabled)
Safe Mode: false

There is nothing in C:\Program Files (x86) or in C:\Program 
Files--there is a Mozilla folder in C:\Program Data but just a folder 
named Updates in it


Windows NT 10.0; WOW64 means 32-bit. You are using Windows 10.

Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64 means 64-bit. FRG is using Windows 7.


Thanks for the replies and help.

JAS
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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[WaltS48]

On 5/28/20 7:21 PM, JAS wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

JAS wrote:
How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their 
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going 
to a different bit when updating it is advised to uninstall first.


JAS


Check user agent. I think yours is x86 32 bit.

Mine is x64:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.4


FRG

Here is what mine says:
Name: SeaMonkey
Version: 2.49.5
Build ID: 20190805004435
Update Channel: release
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5

OS: Windows_NT 10.0
Multiprocess Windows: 0/1 (Disabled)
Safe Mode: false

There is nothing in C:\Program Files (x86) or in C:\Program Files--there 
is a Mozilla folder in C:\Program Data but just a folder named Updates 
in it


Windows NT 10.0; WOW64 means 32-bit. You are using Windows 10.

Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64 means 64-bit. FRG is using Windows 7.

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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[JAS]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

JAS wrote:
How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their 
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to 
a different bit when updating it is advised to uninstall first.


JAS


Check user agent. I think yours is x86 32 bit.

Mine is x64:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.4


FRG

Here is what mine says:
Name: SeaMonkey
Version: 2.49.5
Build ID: 20190805004435
Update Channel: release
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5

OS: Windows_NT 10.0
Multiprocess Windows: 0/1 (Disabled)
Safe Mode: false

There is nothing in C:\Program Files (x86) or in C:\Program Files--there 
is a Mozilla folder in C:\Program Data but just a folder named Updates 
in it

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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[David E. Ross]

On 5/28/2020 1:55 PM, JAS wrote:
> How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their 
> computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a 
> different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.
> 
> JAS
> 

If are using Windows and you install in the default location, x32
installs in [C:\Program Files (x86)] and x64 installs in ["C:\Program
Files"].  In going from x32 to x64 you will have SeaMonkey twice and
there will be conflicts.

For many years, however, I have been installing SeaMonkey in a
non-default location that is on a drive that is NOT C.  When I updated
from x32 to x64, I still installed in that location.  In my case, not
uninstalling the older version was not necessary.

By the way, I consider my profiles to be data.  I have them on a drive
that is neither C nor the drive where SeaMonkey is installed.  All this
has been my configuration since at least 2014.

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COVID-19 virus.  The reason was that Bright would not
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Re: 32 or 64 bit

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

JAS wrote:
How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their computer? 
I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a different bit 
when updating it is avised to uninstall first.


JAS


Check user agent. I think yours is x86 32 bit.

Mine is x64:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.4


FRG
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32 or 64 bit

[JAS]

How does one go about telling which version of SM they have on their 
computer? I am using ver. 2.49.5 right now and I have read if going to a 
different bit when updating it is avised to uninstall first.


JAS
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Re: 32 vs 64 bit mode required - more...

[Robert Kaiser]

Rufus schrieb:

Ok. So I recently discovered and am booting my Macbook Pro in 64 bit
kernel mode, and was expecting to see an option to launch SM 2.0.14 in
either 32 bit or 64 bit mode, or that SM 2.0.14 would be 32 bit mode by
default. Or only. No option for 32/64 bit mode launch is in the Get Info
window like with the 2.1 beta.


Correct. 2.0.* builds are 32bit mode only on Intel (but still support 
PPC as well), while 2.1 builds support both 32bit and 64bit modes on 
Intel (but no PPC any more).


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Re: 32 vs 64 bit mode required - more...

[Rufus]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

Ok. So I recently discovered and am booting my Macbook Pro in 64 bit
kernel mode, and was expecting to see an option to launch SM 2.0.14 in
either 32 bit or 64 bit mode, or that SM 2.0.14 would be 32 bit mode by
default. Or only. No option for 32/64 bit mode launch is in the Get Info
window like with the 2.1 beta.


Correct. 2.0.* builds are 32bit mode only on Intel (but still support
PPC as well), while 2.1 builds support both 32bit and 64bit modes on
Intel (but no PPC any more).

Robert Kaiser



What's a bit odd about this site is that it thinks SM is in 64 bit mode, 
or it's sniffing the mode wrong.


I went back an tried it with Safari - MacBook Pro booted in 64 bit 
kernel; with Safari launched in default 64 bit mode the video stream did 
not play and I got the must be launched in 32 bit mode error from the 
site; with Safari launched in 32 bit mode the video stream did play, 
even under 64 bit machine boot.


One more sniffing problem to be aware of, I guess...but I'm sort of 
surprised at/by this.


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32 vs 64 bit mode required - more...

[Rufus]

Ok.  So I recently discovered and am booting my Macbook Pro in 64 bit 
kernel mode, and was expecting to see an option to launch SM 2.0.14 in 
either 32 bit or 64 bit mode, or that SM 2.0.14 would be 32 bit mode by 
default.  Or only.  No option for 32/64 bit mode launch is in the Get 
Info window like with the 2.1 beta.


And the reason I got to this point was because I happened to go to a 
site that seems to require 32 bit mode browser launch to work.  The site 
is Dish Networks Video Everywhere subscription site, which allows 
subscribers to watch Dish Network supplied content on a computer 
anywhere they have a net connection.


On initial navigation the site called SM an unsupported browser, so I 
logged out, used User Agent Switcher to spoof Safari, and was back in 
and operating nicely.  But when I got to the actual video content page I 
was presented a dialog reading 32 bit mode browser required for 
viewing or something to that effect.


I have yet to try this with Safari in both 32 and 64 bit modes, but it 
would seem some sites actually care about what mode your browser is 
launched in...which was a surprise to me.  As was 2.0.14 being in 64 
bit mode with no option to launch it otherwise.


So is it SM or my boot mode?  Or both?

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