Composer Integration into Mail

[Ken Jarstad]

I am valiantly trying to find a replacement for my wife's favorite email 
program called Incredimail. Incredimail is (or was) a delightfully integrated 
HTML email program that provided rich background templates and animated 
emoticons, all in a unified interface. Alas, the program was sold and the new 
owners are not supporting it well - and it has some obvious problems. I am also 
wanting to get her onto the Linux platform and this Windows only program is the 
last holdout.

I have been experimenting with Thunderbird, thought it looked promising, and 
then thought SeaMonkey might be even better since an HTML composer is included 
- and ought to be integrated. And finally to my question: 

Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply import a new 
web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I create a new web page 
with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so on I have to copy the HTML 
source and use Insert/HTML and paste it into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That 
isn't so bad - and I think my wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting 
the HTML - I find that the Compose message box has been stripped of any 
background elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose 
message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange the code! 
What's up with that?

-=Ken=-
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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[WaltS48]

On 2/6/18 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad wrote:

I am valiantly trying to find a replacement for my wife's favorite email 
program called Incredimail. Incredimail is (or was) a delightfully integrated 
HTML email program that provided rich background templates and animated 
emoticons, all in a unified interface. Alas, the program was sold and the new 
owners are not supporting it well - and it has some obvious problems. I am also 
wanting to get her onto the Linux platform and this Windows only program is the 
last holdout.

I have been experimenting with Thunderbird, thought it looked promising, and 
then thought SeaMonkey might be even better since an HTML composer is included 
- and ought to be integrated. And finally to my question:

Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply import a new 
web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I create a new web page 
with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so on I have to copy the HTML 
source and use Insert/HTML and paste it into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That 
isn't so bad - and I think my wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting 
the HTML - I find that the Compose message box has been stripped of any 
background elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose 
message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange the code! 
What's up with that?

-=Ken=-



Both Thunderbird and SeaMonkey have the option to compose in HTML for 
email accounts. I believe it is the default setting in both applications.


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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ed Mullen]

On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital genius:

Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply import a new 
web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I create a new web page 
with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so on I have to copy the HTML 
source and use Insert/HTML and paste it into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That 
isn't so bad - and I think my wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting 
the HTML - I find that the Compose message box has been stripped of any 
background elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose 
message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange the code! 
What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put 
whatever HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and 
choose Template. In the future, right-click that template and choose 
Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.

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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ed Mullen]

On 2/7/2018 at 9:21 AM, Ed Mullen created this epitome of digital genius:
On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital 
genius:
Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply 
import a new web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I 
create a new web page with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so 
on I have to copy the HTML source and use Insert/HTML and paste it 
into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That isn't so bad - and I think my 
wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting the HTML - I find 
that the Compose message box has been stripped of any background 
elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose message 
reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange the code! 
What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put 
whatever HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and 
choose Template. In the future, right-click that template and choose 
Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.



Oh, I forgot to mention that the Composer part of SM has not been 
maintained/developed in years.


http://tinyurl.com/yazvpz98

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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

We try to keep it working. Not sure if we are able to do this in a possible 
future 2.57esr release. A lot of things were removed in the mozilla tree and 
some probably break Composer. We first need to unbreak mail/news and then see 
what goes. Composer will take a backseat here.


FRG

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 2/7/2018 at 9:21 AM, Ed Mullen created this epitome of digital genius:

On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital genius:
Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply import a 
new web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I create a new 
web page with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so on I have to copy 
the HTML source and use Insert/HTML and paste it into the Mail/Compose 
dialog box. That isn't so bad - and I think my wife could learn to do that 
- but then, inserting the HTML - I find that the Compose message box has 
been stripped of any background elements. And further, examining the HTML 
code in the Compose message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty 
to re-arrange the code! What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put whatever 
HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and choose Template. 
In the future, right-click that template and choose Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.



Oh, I forgot to mention that the Composer part of SM has not been 
maintained/developed in years.


http://tinyurl.com/yazvpz98


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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Richard Owlett]

As an end user, I would like to see it kept as long as possible. It 
allows me create simple HTML pages for use on my own machine.


On 02/07/2018 10:03 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
We try to keep it working. Not sure if we are able to do this in a 
possible future 2.57esr release. A lot of things were removed in the 
mozilla tree and some probably break Composer. We first need to unbreak 
mail/news and then see what goes. Composer will take a backseat here.


FRG

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 2/7/2018 at 9:21 AM, Ed Mullen created this epitome of digital genius:
On 2/6/2018 at 11:05 PM, Ken Jarstad created this epitome of digital 
genius:
Although SM Composer is built-in there seems no easy way to simply 
import a new web page into SM Mail and save it as a template. When I 
create a new web page with SM Composer with fancy backgrounds and so 
on I have to copy the HTML source and use Insert/HTML and paste it 
into the Mail/Compose dialog box. That isn't so bad - and I think my 
wife could learn to do that - but then, inserting the HTML - I find 
that the Compose message box has been stripped of any background 
elements. And further, examining the HTML code in the Compose 
message reveals that SM has taken considerable liberty to re-arrange 
the code! What's up with that?


Use a mail compose window as if you were creating an email.  Put 
whatever HTML styling in that you want.  Click the Save button and 
choose Template. In the future, right-click that template and choose 
Edit As New.


Composer is for creating a Web page, not an email template.



Oh, I forgot to mention that the Composer part of SM has not been 
maintained/developed in years.


http://tinyurl.com/yazvpz98




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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[cyberzen]

Richard Owlett a écrit :

As an end user, I would like to see it kept as long as possible. It
allows me create simple HTML pages for use on my own machine.


agree
same for me


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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[NFN Smith]

Richard Owlett wrote:
As an end user, I would like to see it kept as long as possible. It 
allows me create simple HTML pages for use on my own machine.


I take a similar approach. I do some documentation in HTML, and I really 
like the capacity of viewing an HTML document in Seamonkey, and pressing 
ctrl-E to edit it. My one complaint is that the composer turns out 
sloppy HTML.


However, knowing that the composer is not officially supported, I tend 
to use the stand-alone Kompozer (even though it's no longer supported), 
with the hopes that the HTML might be a little cleaner, but I think 
there's minimal difference.  I've also played with Blue Griffon, but 
there's just enough quirks in the UI (and even then, I'm not sure that 
the HTML is cleaner), and I think I'm probably going to go back to using 
the Seamonkey composer, as long as it's available.


That said, I do recognize FRG's point that Mozilla's architectural 
changes may make it impossible to keep the composer.  And I agree that 
mail/news takes developer priority.


Smith

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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ken Jarstad]

Hey all, thanks for the replies.

I didn't realize that SM Composer was so long-in-the-tooth! It seems pretty 
good to me, but I am an ancient geek (I was a geek before it became 
fashionable!)

I think (maybe) the problem is that since I am using Gmail that it doesn't 
support backgrounds and strips them out. One anomaly however - I went back to 
Thunderbird and found it used the same Templates folder and the three templates 
I test-created showed up there - in both TB and SM Mail! And, if I create a 
complex email template with fancy background in TB, the full template is 
available to SM Mail! So, I'm thinking that SM Mail strips out the 
backgrounds. If I can leave a link you can look at my screenshot here. 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wYIkgPCuiXnHTCtOLcUyUuCwEOYl_10E/view?usp=sharing
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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Which version are you on? 2.49.1 should behave the same as TB. If not file a 
bug. Maybe try the 2.49.2 candidate or wait till the final is out. Image and 
Link bug fixed there. If you are on an earlier version consider updating.


FRG

Ken Jarstad wrote:

Hey all, thanks for the replies.

I didn't realize that SM Composer was so long-in-the-tooth! It seems pretty 
good to me, but I am an ancient geek (I was a geek before it became 
fashionable!)

I think (maybe) the problem is that since I am using Gmail that it doesn't 
support backgrounds and strips them out. One anomaly however - I went back to 
Thunderbird and found it used the same Templates folder and the three templates 
I test-created showed up there - in both TB and SM Mail! And, if I create a 
complex email template with fancy background in TB, the full template is 
available to SM Mail! So, I'm thinking that SM Mail strips out the 
backgrounds. If I can leave a link you can look at my screenshot here. 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wYIkgPCuiXnHTCtOLcUyUuCwEOYl_10E/view?usp=sharing


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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ed Mullen]

On 2/7/2018 at 11:33 AM, Richard Owlett created this epitome of digital 
genius:
As an end user, I would like to see it kept as long as possible. It 
allows me create simple HTML pages for use on my own machine.




For folks seeking an alternative to Composer try Kompozer, Blue Griffon, 
and others.





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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ken Jarstad]

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 11:32:18 PM UTC-8, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Which version are you on? 2.49.1 should behave the same as TB. If not file a 
> bug. Maybe try the 2.49.2 candidate or wait till the final is out. Image and 
> Link bug fixed there. If you are on an earlier version consider updating.
> 
> FRG

I checked this forum first and installed the 64-bit version 2.49.1 .deb file on 
Linux KDE Neon 5.12. I am also running 64-bit Thunderbird ver 52.6.0 and I 
found an extension for it that is called "ThunderHTMLedit" which is not 
compatible with SM. I also found an extension called "Stationary" which doesn't 
work with SM either. These extensions are very helpful to get the features we 
need.

I want to like SM but TB has the same themes and some extensions I like. You 
have recommended using other HTML editors. What is there to recommend SM over 
TBird?
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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Daniel]

Ken Jarstad wrote:

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 11:32:18 PM UTC-8, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Which version are you on? 2.49.1 should behave the same as TB. If not file a
bug. Maybe try the 2.49.2 candidate or wait till the final is out. Image and
Link bug fixed there. If you are on an earlier version consider updating.

FRG


I checked this forum first and installed the 64-bit version 2.49.1 .deb file on Linux KDE Neon 
5.12. I am also running 64-bit Thunderbird ver 52.6.0 and I found an extension for it that is 
called "ThunderHTMLedit" which is not compatible with SM. I also found an extension 
called "Stationary" which doesn't work with SM either. These extensions are very helpful 
to get the features we need.

I want to like SM but TB has the same themes and some extensions I like. You 
have recommended using other HTML editors. What is there to recommend SM over 
TBird?

Ken, you might try running your ThunderHTMLedit extension through the 
SeaMonkey Extension Converter at http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/


It might make it suitable to install in SeaMonkey ... or, then again, it 
might not!!


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Ken Jarstad]

Thanks Daniel.

I used the converter on both add-ons and Seamonkey still reports them as being 
incompatible. So...

-=Ken=-
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Re: Composer Integration into Mail

[Daniel]

Ken Jarstad wrote:

Thanks Daniel.

I used the converter on both add-ons and Seamonkey still reports them as being 
incompatible. So...

-=Ken=-


Sorry! I tried!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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