Re: Delayed Initialization? APN (americans for peace now)

[Gérard]

Daniel wrote on 08/15/2016 01:09 PM:

On 13/08/2016 2:45 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 8/11/16, Bill Spikowski  wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 08/11/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or
extremely slow cable broadband or something? I haven't had a cache on
any browser (except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate)
since I first got broadband in 2001.

How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED |
CACHE

Looking at my SeaMonkey, for those settings I would remove both check
marks, set "Use up to" to 0 and "Compare the page ..." to Never.

Thanks, I'll try these ideas and see what happens!

When you do try it, check out the network performance tool:
Tools / Web Development / Toggle Tools
click on the Network tab

and see how long it takes to display pages with & without caching enabled.

Regards,
Lee



I don't have a Network tab -- see screenshot


I don't even have the "Toggle Tools" selection!!



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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Daniel]

On 13/08/2016 2:45 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 8/11/16, Bill Spikowski  wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 08/11/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or
extremely slow cable broadband or something? I haven't had a cache on
any browser (except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate)
since I first got broadband in 2001.

How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED |
CACHE

Looking at my SeaMonkey, for those settings I would remove both check
marks, set "Use up to" to 0 and "Compare the page ..." to Never.

Thanks, I'll try these ideas and see what happens!

When you do try it, check out the network performance tool:
Tools / Web Development / Toggle Tools
click on the Network tab

and see how long it takes to display pages with & without caching enabled.

Regards,
Lee



I don't have a Network tab -- see screenshot


I don't even have the "Toggle Tools" selection!!

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Ed Mullen]

On 8/12/2016 at 4:11 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

David E. Ross wrote:

I have reset the size of my cache to 0.  A prior reply in this thread --
about how high-speed broadband makes caching unnecessary


I think what they said about browser caching is true, but I also think
there's no need to mess with the SM cache settings (when everything else
is working normally).

On my own system, I change the cache location to a "local temp" location
to keep it out of my "roaming" profile. This is in order to make backup
easier.



What's your theory here?  Please explain.

I do image backups of the drive holding the profile.  I can restore 
either individual files, selective folders, of the entire profile.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Ed Mullen]

On 8/12/2016 at 7:20 PM, David E. Ross's prodigious digits fired off:

On 8/12/2016 1:04 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.


Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get
slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take
a few seconds to "wake up".


I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.


To clarify this specific point, did you not say "my own on a Web server"
two paragraphs above?



I launched SeaMonkey, which brought up a home page that is an HTML file
residing on an internal hard drive on my PC.  That home page is an
export of my bookmarks, automatically generated when I previously
terminated SeaMonkey.  I then selected the bookmark for my own Web
stite's home page, not the version also on my hard drive but instead the
version that is on my ISP's server.  That is when I observed a delay.  I
then returned to my home page, cleared my cache, and again selected the
link to my Web site's home page.  There was no delay.

NOTE WELL:  There are TWO "home pages" involved here.  One is the page I
get when I select the Home button on SeaMonkey's tool bar or [Go > Home]
on SeaMonkey's menu bar.  That page is displayed when I launch
SeaMonkey.  The other one is the index page of my Web site; it is at
.



When I start my PC it launches a local Web server, WAMP.  When I launch 
any browser it loads a .php page on that server as its home page.  That 
home page uses a local CSS style sheet.


My "home" pages buttons are programmed to go to that .php file.

It is this customization that endears SeaMonkey to me.

I rarely use Firefox, mostly for use in the Firefox support group.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

On 8/12/2016 1:24 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
>> visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
>> and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.
>>
>> I have the blue circle throbber on my menu bar.  With the first Web page
>> after launching, it does not "bubble" right away.  Instead, there is a
>> delay of 2-3 seconds.
> 
> Reading this again, I think I misunderstood what you were reporting. I 
> read the first paragraph, and assumed you were saying SM was slow to 
> launch (slow to render the main window for the first time).
> 
> Now looking at the second paragraph, I think you're saying SM renders 
> the main Window quite quickly, BUT then takes time to load the actual 
> HTML web page?

Yes, but note that the "main Window" is from a local file on my hard
drive.  That window is an HTML representation of my bookmarks.  On
launching SeaMonkey, I can select a bookmark for another local file on
my hard drive; that renders immediately.  Thereafter, the first time I
select a bookmark to a page on the Web -- requiring communication over
the Internet -- there is a delay.  Subsequent selection of links to
pages on the Web do not have that delay.  Thus, the delay has something
to do with initializing a connection to the Internet.


> Further to this, I don't really understand the second paragraph, about 
> the "throbber" and the "bubble". In my SM theme I just have a "stop" 
> button on the toolbar (not the menu bar) and I have a status bar at the 
> bottom of the main window.

Right-click on the SeaMonkey tool bar or menu bar, select the
blue-circle icon from the Customize Toolbar window, drag the icon onto
either your menu bar (which I did) or your tool bar.  That is a
throbber, which shows rising bubbles while SeaMonkey is downloading and
rendering a Web page.


> One other idea for your specific issue, have you tried disabling 
> extensions and plugins and launching again?

I just now tried launching SeaMonkey in Safe Mode.  I observed the same
problem with both  and
.


> My launch issue is different. In my case it was taking a long time 
> (three seconds) from clicking the shortcut, before the main Window 
> appeared on the screen. I did some tracing and found it was related to 
> WinSock. I disabled the Windows Firewall (FOR TESTING ONLY) and it 
> launched straight away. My network stack is a mess with six different 
> virtual adapters (I need to clean it up) the firewall is probably 
> waiting for a disconnected network adapter that is timing out.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

On 8/12/2016 1:04 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
 -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
 launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
 load very quickly.
>>>
>>> Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get
>>> slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take
>>> a few seconds to "wake up".
>>
>> I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
>> hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.
> 
> To clarify this specific point, did you not say "my own on a Web server" 
> two paragraphs above?
> 

I launched SeaMonkey, which brought up a home page that is an HTML file
residing on an internal hard drive on my PC.  That home page is an
export of my bookmarks, automatically generated when I previously
terminated SeaMonkey.  I then selected the bookmark for my own Web
stite's home page, not the version also on my hard drive but instead the
version that is on my ISP's server.  That is when I observed a delay.  I
then returned to my home page, cleared my cache, and again selected the
link to my Web site's home page.  There was no delay.

NOTE WELL:  There are TWO "home pages" involved here.  One is the page I
get when I select the Home button on SeaMonkey's tool bar or [Go > Home]
on SeaMonkey's menu bar.  That page is displayed when I launch
SeaMonkey.  The other one is the index page of my Web site; it is at
.

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for the tragedy in Benghazi.  They conveniently forget
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Gerry Hickman]

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.

I have the blue circle throbber on my menu bar.  With the first Web page
after launching, it does not "bubble" right away.  Instead, there is a
delay of 2-3 seconds.


Reading this again, I think I misunderstood what you were reporting. I 
read the first paragraph, and assumed you were saying SM was slow to 
launch (slow to render the main window for the first time).


Now looking at the second paragraph, I think you're saying SM renders 
the main Window quite quickly, BUT then takes time to load the actual 
HTML web page?


Further to this, I don't really understand the second paragraph, about 
the "throbber" and the "bubble". In my SM theme I just have a "stop" 
button on the toolbar (not the menu bar) and I have a status bar at the 
bottom of the main window.


One other idea for your specific issue, have you tried disabling 
extensions and plugins and launching again?


My launch issue is different. In my case it was taking a long time 
(three seconds) from clicking the shortcut, before the main Window 
appeared on the screen. I did some tracing and found it was related to 
WinSock. I disabled the Windows Firewall (FOR TESTING ONLY) and it 
launched straight away. My network stack is a mess with six different 
virtual adapters (I need to clean it up) the firewall is probably 
waiting for a disconnected network adapter that is timing out.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Gerry Hickman]

David E. Ross wrote:

I have reset the size of my cache to 0.  A prior reply in this thread --
about how high-speed broadband makes caching unnecessary


I think what they said about browser caching is true, but I also think 
there's no need to mess with the SM cache settings (when everything else 
is working normally).


On my own system, I change the cache location to a "local temp" location 
to keep it out of my "roaming" profile. This is in order to make backup 
easier.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Gerry Hickman]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.


Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get
slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take
a few seconds to "wake up".


I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.


To clarify this specific point, did you not say "my own on a Web server" 
two paragraphs above?


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Lee]

On 8/11/16, Bill Spikowski  wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 08/11/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:
>>> Desiree wrote:
 Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or
 extremely slow cable broadband or something? I haven't had a cache on
 any browser (except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate)
 since I first got broadband in 2001.
>>>
>>> How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED |
>>> CACHE
>>
>> Looking at my SeaMonkey, for those settings I would remove both check
>> marks, set "Use up to" to 0 and "Compare the page ..." to Never.
>
> Thanks, I'll try these ideas and see what happens!

When you do try it, check out the network performance tool:
Tools / Web Development / Toggle Tools
click on the Network tab

and see how long it takes to display pages with & without caching enabled.

Regards,
Lee
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Bill Spikowski]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 08/11/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or extremely 
slow cable broadband or something? I haven't had a cache on any browser (except 
IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate) since I first got broadband 
in 2001.


How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED | CACHE


Looking at my SeaMonkey, for those settings I would remove both check marks, set "Use up 
to" to 0 and "Compare the page ..." to Never.


Thanks, I'll try these ideas and see what happens!
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or
extremely slow cable broadband or something?  I haven't had a cache on
any browser (except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate)
since I first got broadband in 2001.


How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED |
CACHE


As noted upthread, clear the box "Let SeaMonkey manage the size of my 
cache" and set the size manually to zero.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[WaltS48]

On 08/11/2016 09:03 AM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

Desiree wrote:
Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or 
extremely slow cable broadband or something? I haven't had a cache on 
any browser (except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate) 
since I first got broadband in 2001.


How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED 
| CACHE


Looking at my SeaMonkey, for those settings I would remove both check 
marks, set "Use up to" to 0 and "Compare the page ..." to Never.



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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Bill Spikowski]

Desiree wrote:

Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago? Are you on dsl or extremely 
slow cable broadband or something?  I haven't had a cache on any browser 
(except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate) since I first got 
broadband in 2001.


How do you do that? It's not a choice in EDIT | PREFERENCES | ADVANCED | CACHE
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Desiree]

On 8/9/2016 7:19 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/9/2016 10:00 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 8/9/2016 at 4:05 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.


My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage
there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit
on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like
this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the
SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.

To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file,
so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any
home page related network issues.

Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think
it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's
much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN
virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.

There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big,
so it's worth trying with a clean profile.



I also have a local HTML file as my home page, and it loads instantly.
If I click an Internet link on that page it also loads nearly instantly.

For instance, my own site  appears with no
perceptible/countable time lag.


My suspicion is that the more complex the page the longer this lag time
is. In my experience if a page does not have very complex html and few,
if any scripts, the page will load quickly.



However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.

Why haven't you disabled all cache a long time ago?  Are you on dsl or 
extremely slow cable broadband or something?  I haven't had a cache on 
any browser (except IE where it is not possible to totally eliminate) 
since I first got broadband in 2001.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
>> -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
>> launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
>> load very quickly.
> 
> Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get 
> slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take 
> a few seconds to "wake up".

I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.

That home page is the export of my bookmarks.  Any link I request from
it immediately after launching SeaMonkey shows the same delay.  I see
this delay with  on an
initial visit, but even after deleting my cache I do not see this delay
on a subsequent visit.


> Regarding the cache, try NOT clearing it when you exit SM. Do you still 
> see slow first page? It could be using a lot of resources trying to 
> re-create the cache every time it starts...

I cleared the checkbox for "Always clear my private when I close
SeaMonkey".  After clearing my cache to remove the Google site, I
visited a number of other Web sites to populated my cache.  I terminated
SeaMonkey, waited several seconds, and then relaunched SeaMonkey.  I
experienced the same delay when
 was the first link I
visited.

I get the same problem when the first visited link after launching is
.

I have reset the size of my cache to 0.  A prior reply in this thread --
about how high-speed broadband makes caching unnecessary -- reminded me
that caching is of little or no utility.  When they are requested, too
many Web pages are generated on the fly or decompressed.  Both of those
place new time-stamps on the delivered files, nullifying the use of
cached versions of Web pages with older time-stamps.

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private E-mail server while Secretary of State.  According to
current Secretary of State John Kerry, we know that the Russians
and Chinese have hacked the State Department's servers.  In the
meantime, a claim by the Romanian hacker known as Guccifer
(Marcel Lehel Lazar) that he hacked into Clinton's E-mail
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ed Mullen wrote:


I have the disk and memory caches turned off.  There's really no need
with a fast broadband connection.  And it used to drive me crazy
when writing Web pages when SM would display an edited page from
cache and I didn't see the changes I'd just saved.


Proper cache management shouldn't allow that.

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Cache
Compare the page in the cache to the page on the network:
[Every time I view the page]

For example, if you set this pref to "Never," you'll get that result.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


On 8/9/2016 10:37 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
request it again, it load very quickly.


That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache
before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the
cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can
quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.


I always purge my cache on termination.  At [Edit > Preferences >
Privacy & Security > Private Data], I have checkmarks in the check boxes
for "Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey" and (under
"When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase")
"Cache" and "Offline Website Data".  Thus, my cache should be empty on
launching SeaMonkey.


So do I, which makes your scenario peculiar.

If SM launches with an empty cache (assuming a normal shutdown of the 
previous session), how does clearing cache later create a different 
environment that allows the page to load quickly? How is an empty cache 
different from an empty cache? Or are you clearing something else that 
does make a difference? For example, I've sometimes noted differences in 
performance after I clear cookies.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Ed Mullen]

On 8/10/2016 at 11:06 AM, David E. Ross's prodigious digits fired off:

On 8/9/2016 10:37 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
request it again, it load very quickly.


That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache
before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the
cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can
quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.



I always purge my cache on termination.  At [Edit > Preferences >
Privacy & Security > Private Data], I have checkmarks in the check boxes
for "Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey" and (under
"When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase")
"Cache" and "Offline Website Data".  Thus, my cache should be empty on
launching SeaMonkey.



I have the disk and memory caches turned off.  There's really no need 
with a fast broadband connection.  And it used to drive me crazy when 
writing Web pages when SM would display an edited page from cache and I 
didn't see the changes I'd just saved.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

On 8/9/2016 10:37 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>> However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
>> server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
>> right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
>> request it again, it load very quickly.
> 
> That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache 
> before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the 
> cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can 
> quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.
> 

I always purge my cache on termination.  At [Edit > Preferences >
Privacy & Security > Private Data], I have checkmarks in the check boxes
for "Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey" and (under
"When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase")
"Cache" and "Offline Website Data".  Thus, my cache should be empty on
launching SeaMonkey.

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private E-mail server while Secretary of State.  According to
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and Chinese have hacked the State Department's servers.  In the
meantime, a claim by the Romanian hacker known as Guccifer
(Marcel Lehel Lazar) that he hacked into Clinton's E-mail
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
request it again, it load very quickly.


That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache 
before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the 
cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can 
quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.


--
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--
Paul B. Gallagher

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

On 8/9/2016 10:00 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 8/9/2016 at 4:05 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
 visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
 and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.
>>>
>>> My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage
>>> there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit
>>> on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like
>>> this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the
>>> SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.
>>>
>>> To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file,
>>> so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any
>>> home page related network issues.
>>>
>>> Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think
>>> it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's
>>> much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN
>>> virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.
>>>
>>> There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big,
>>> so it's worth trying with a clean profile.
>>>
>>
>> I also have a local HTML file as my home page, and it loads instantly.
>> If I click an Internet link on that page it also loads nearly instantly.
>>
>> For instance, my own site  appears with no
>> perceptible/countable time lag.
>>
> My suspicion is that the more complex the page the longer this lag time 
> is. In my experience if a page does not have very complex html and few, 
> if any scripts, the page will load quickly.
> 

However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.

-- 
David E. Ross

Perhaps it was a smart decision for Hillary Clinton to use her
private E-mail server while Secretary of State.  According to
current Secretary of State John Kerry, we know that the Russians
and Chinese have hacked the State Department's servers.  In the
meantime, a claim by the Romanian hacker known as Guccifer
(Marcel Lehel Lazar) that he hacked into Clinton's E-mail
server proved false.
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Paul Bergsagel]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 8/9/2016 at 4:05 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.


My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage
there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit
on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like
this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the
SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.

To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file,
so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any
home page related network issues.

Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think
it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's
much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN
virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.

There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big,
so it's worth trying with a clean profile.



I also have a local HTML file as my home page, and it loads instantly.
If I click an Internet link on that page it also loads nearly instantly.

For instance, my own site  appears with no
perceptible/countable time lag.

My suspicion is that the more complex the page the longer this lag time 
is. In my experience if a page does not have very complex html and few, 
if any scripts, the page will load quickly.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Ed Mullen]

On 8/9/2016 at 4:05 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.


My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage
there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit
on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like
this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the
SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.

To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file,
so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any
home page related network issues.

Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think
it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's
much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN
virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.

There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big,
so it's worth trying with a clean profile.



I also have a local HTML file as my home page, and it loads instantly. 
If I click an Internet link on that page it also loads nearly instantly.


For instance, my own site  appears with no 
perceptible/countable time lag.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

[Gerry Hickman]

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.


My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage 
there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit 
on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like 
this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the 
SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.


To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file, 
so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any 
home page related network issues.


Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think 
it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's 
much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN 
virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.


There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big, 
so it's worth trying with a clean profile.


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Gerry Hickman (London UK)
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Delayed Initialization?

[David E. Ross]

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.

I have the blue circle throbber on my menu bar.  With the first Web page
after launching, it does not "bubble" right away.  Instead, there is a
delay of 2-3 seconds.

Is there some form of needed initialization for SeaMonkey that does not
occur until the user selects a link to a Web site?  Or is it my
imagination?

-- 
David E. Ross

Perhaps it was a smart decision for Hillary Clinton to use her
private E-mail server while Secretary of State.  According to
current Secretary of State John Kerry, we know that the Russians
and Chinese have hacked the State Department's servers.  In the
meantime, a claim by the Romanian hacker known as Guccifer
(Marcel Lehel Lazar) that he hacked into Clinton's E-mail
server proved false.
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