Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Daniel]

On 4/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Why did you post with this option ? This is a stupid option, because
people answering without this option and without quoting your text
 post a message who have no sense if your message have been
disappeared ...


It affords one an opportunity to practice zen...what is the sound of one
hand clapping? ;-)


So you've seen and heard me clapping, then!!

(Cross-posted to and follow-up set to moz.general)

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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ray_Net wrote:

Why did you post with this option ? This is a stupid option, because
people answering without this option and without quoting your text
 post a message who have no sense if your message have been
disappeared ...


It affords one an opportunity to practice zen...what is the sound of one 
hand clapping? ;-)


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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Ray_Net]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 04/05/2016 13:12:

On Wed, 4 May 2016 01:19:21 +0300, Stanimir Stamenkov
 wrote:


Mon, 02 May 2016 06:07:59 -0500, /Thee Chicago Wolf/ (MVP):

On Mon, 2 May 2016 07:14:29 +0200, Petr Voralek wrote:


   This happens to me for the majority of posts from OP on newsgroup.  I
always assumed that the reason is "X-No-Archive: yes" in his posts and I
kept it did not deal with...

I don't think X-No-archive is the issue. I don't think a single Usenet
provider honors that.

Believe it or not this is the most probable cause as I'm observing
the same behavior with messages (even the complete thread following
including my replies to it) from this group sent by Felix Miata,
which also appear to send using "X-No-Archive: yes".  I don't
understand why you're sending it anyway.

I've had it set on my Usenet client for 15+ years. Why change it now?
Been working fine with it enabled all these years.



Why did you post with this option ?
This is a stupid option, because people answering without this option 
and without quoting your text 

post a message who have no sense if your message have been disappeared ...
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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Felix Miata]

Stanimir Stamenkov composed on 2016-05-04 01:19 (UTC+0300):


Mon, 02 May 2016 06:07:59 -0500, /Thee Chicago Wolf/ (MVP):



I don't think X-No-archive is the issue. I don't think a single Usenet
provider honors that.



Believe it or not this is the most probable cause as I'm observing
the same behavior with messages (even the complete thread following
including my replies to it) from this group sent by Felix Miata,
which also appear to send using "X-No-Archive: yes".  I don't
understand why you're sending it anyway.


For quite some time I've been wondering why so few of the messages I send 
here seem to generate any acknowledgment of existence, much less an actual 
thread reply. I generally use the newsgroup interface very little, mostly 
only for quickest archive access. Most of my posts don't seem to show up when 
I use SM mailnews to access news.mozilla.org, but they are reliably reflected 
back to me when I send using the email interface. My messages are not leaving 
here with X-No-archive anywhere within them, nor is X-No-archive contained in 
messages I get back from the listserv.


If I try to respond to any message using the newsgroups interface, and also 
include any To: or CC:, then I typically get a message send rejected modal 
popup, but testing that just a moment ago using the most recent David E. Ross 
message shown in the newsgroups interface to try to acquire the exact message 
produced no such error.

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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Mon, 02 May 2016 06:07:59 -0500, /Thee Chicago Wolf/ (MVP):

On Mon, 2 May 2016 07:14:29 +0200, Petr Voralek wrote:


  This happens to me for the majority of posts from OP on newsgroup.  I
always assumed that the reason is "X-No-Archive: yes" in his posts and I
kept it did not deal with...


I don't think X-No-archive is the issue. I don't think a single Usenet
provider honors that.


Believe it or not this is the most probable cause as I'm observing 
the same behavior with messages (even the complete thread following 
including my replies to it) from this group sent by Felix Miata, 
which also appear to send using "X-No-Archive: yes".  I don't 
understand why you're sending it anyway.


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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Ray_Net]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 02/05/2016 13:07:

On Mon, 2 May 2016 07:14:29 +0200, Petr Voralek 
wrote:


   Hello!

  On Sunday, 01.05.2016 23:35(+0200) *Paul B. Gallagher* wrote, and I
quote (in part):


Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

...about SM 2.43 but they keep disappearing and not making it through.

I've been seeing them as "expired." Wonder who's purging them and why.

  This happens to me for the majority of posts from OP on newsgroup.  I
always assumed that the reason is "X-No-Archive: yes" in his posts and I
kept it did not deal with...

I don't think X-No-archive is the issue. I don't think a single Usenet
provider honors that.
Anyway  please, remove this "X-No-Archive: yes" or put 
"X-No-Archive: no" !!!



http://www.loganact.com/agent/agentfaq.html#3-3-3

[3-3-3] How can I add an "X-No-Archive: Yes" header?

In Free Agent this is not built in. (see [3-3-5] 
)


For Agent users, this header may be toggled on using...

Group | Default Properties | Post
(see [3-10-5] )



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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Jonathan N. Little]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

On Mon, 2 May 2016 07:14:29 +0200, Petr Voralek 
wrote:






  This happens to me for the majority of posts from OP on newsgroup.  I
always assumed that the reason is "X-No-Archive: yes" in his posts and I
kept it did not deal with...


I don't think X-No-archive is the issue. I don't think a single Usenet
provider honors that.



I've never understood why people bother to set it in the first place. It 
seems to run counter to the 'spirit of conversation' that is Usenet. If 
bits of a thread go missing then it is less like a conversation and more 
like just overhearing one side of a phone call. Not the most effective 
form of communication...


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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Petr Voralek]

   Hello!

  On Sunday, 01.05.2016 23:35(+0200) *Paul B. Gallagher* wrote, and I
quote (in part):

> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>> ...about SM 2.43 but they keep disappearing and not making it through.

> I've been seeing them as "expired." Wonder who's purging them and why.

  This happens to me for the majority of posts from OP on newsgroup.  I
always assumed that the reason is "X-No-Archive: yes" in his posts and I
kept it did not deal with...

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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Richard Owlett]

On 5/1/2016 4:23 PM, EE wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

...about SM 2.43 but they keep disappearing and not making it
through.
Hmm.


Could the fact that you have no email address set up (real or
fake) be the problem?



Probably not.
He has been using .@. as an address since at least April 2012.
He has posted at least 61 times this year with that address.

His post beginning this thread is only retrievable post since 
AFTER APRIL 22.


He had made a post on April 30 titled "Re: updating to 2.40".
After reading it I had set it as unread an Flagged it [my 
personal way of temporarily marking it as 'of interest']. When I 
attempt to retrieve it today I get:



Error!
newsgroup server responded:no such article in group

Perhaps the article has expired

 (99020)

Click here to remove all expired articles


He may not be only person experiencing a similar problem.
Within last day or two I had gotten a similar response when 
attempting to read another message.  *WITHOUT* thinking about it 
I clicked "... remove all expired articles".


How to raise this anomaly with appropriate parties?


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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:


...about SM 2.43 but they keep disappearing and not making it through.
Hmm.


I've been seeing them as "expired." Wonder who's purging them and why.

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Re: I keep trying to post messages...

[EE]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

...about SM 2.43 but they keep disappearing and not making it through.
Hmm.

Could the fact that you have no email address set up (real or fake) be 
the problem?


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