Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-30 Thread isuy



https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize

When I click the link above, I get this message:


Your browser is not supported at this time.

Browser identifier:mozsea
Browser version:1.9.1.8
Browser major version:1
Browser minor version:9.1.8
Browser engine:gecko
Browser engine version:20100222
Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us; 
rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3

Operating system identifier:linux
Operating system version:unknown
Is Flash installed? Yes
Flash version:0
Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8


Supported Browsers:

name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12
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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-30 Thread Frosted Flake

isuy wrote:



https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize


When I click the link above, I get this message:


Your browser is not supported at this time.

Browser identifier:mozsea
Browser version:1.9.1.8
Browser major version:1
Browser minor version:9.1.8
Browser engine:gecko
Browser engine version:20100222
Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us;
rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3
Operating system identifier:linux
Operating system version:unknown
Is Flash installed? Yes
Flash version:0
Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8


Supported Browsers:

name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12

I wouldn't put much stock in that page.
HTML errors (over 20)
uses XHTML (Crap)
Browser sniffing (Not needed if the page meets W3C specs)
Designed for IE (even more CRAP)
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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread Samuel S

isuy wrote:



https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize


When I click the link above, I get this message:


Your browser is not supported at this time.

Browser identifier:mozsea
Browser version:1.9.1.8
Browser major version:1
Browser minor version:9.1.8
Browser engine:gecko
Browser engine version:20100222
Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us;
rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3
Operating system identifier:linux
Operating system version:unknown
Is Flash installed? Yes
Flash version:0
Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8


Supported Browsers:

name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12


Try Coral IE Tabs for this... which worked for me.


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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread Ant

Report it to Mozilla and the Web site's people.

On 3/30/2010 8:38 PM PT, isuy typed:




https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize


When I click the link above, I get this message:


Your browser is not supported at this time.

Browser identifier:mozsea
Browser version:1.9.1.8
Browser major version:1
Browser minor version:9.1.8
Browser engine:gecko
Browser engine version:20100222
Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us;
rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3
Operating system identifier:linux
Operating system version:unknown
Is Flash installed? Yes
Flash version:0
Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8


Supported Browsers:

name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12

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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/30/10 7:38 PM, isuy wrote:
> 
> 
> https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize
> 
> When I click the link above, I get this message:
> 
> 
> Your browser is not supported at this time.
> 
> Browser identifier:mozsea
> Browser version:1.9.1.8
> Browser major version:1
> Browser minor version:9.1.8
> Browser engine:gecko
> Browser engine version:20100222
> Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us; 
> rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3
> Operating system identifier:linux
> Operating system version:unknown
> Is Flash installed? Yes
> Flash version:0
> Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
> Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8
> 
> 
> Supported Browsers:
> 
> name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
> name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
> name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
> name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12

I don't get the problem if I spoof Firefox with the following UA string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8)
 Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3, NOT Firefox/3.5.6

This is clearly a case of invalid sniffing.  Since I am a Time Warner
customer, I will submit a bug report later today.

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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread Phillip Jones

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/30/10 7:38 PM, isuy wrote:



https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize

When I click the link above, I get this message:


Your browser is not supported at this time.

Browser identifier:mozsea
Browser version:1.9.1.8
Browser major version:1
Browser minor version:9.1.8
Browser engine:gecko
Browser engine version:20100222
Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us;
rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3
Operating system identifier:linux
Operating system version:unknown
Is Flash installed? Yes
Flash version:0
Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8


Supported Browsers:

name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12


I don't get the problem if I spoof Firefox with the following UA string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8)
 Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3, NOT Firefox/3.5.6

This is clearly a case of invalid sniffing.  Since I am a Time Warner
customer, I will submit a bug report later today.

I've just gone to the Time-Warner Cable home page and it loaded just 
fine. I also went to the Time-Warner headquarters site home page and it 
worked just fine. Note I am using 2.0.4 SM.  doesn't 2.03 use gecko 
1.1.8 and 2.0.4 use 1.1.9 (the same as in the latest FireFox.


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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread David E. Ross
On 3/31/10 9:05 AM, Phillip Jones wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 3/30/10 7:38 PM, isuy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize
>>>
>>> When I click the link above, I get this message:
>>>
>>>
>>> Your browser is not supported at this time.
>>>
>>> Browser identifier:mozsea
>>> Browser version:1.9.1.8
>>> Browser major version:1
>>> Browser minor version:9.1.8
>>> Browser engine:gecko
>>> Browser engine version:20100222
>>> Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us;
>>> rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3
>>> Operating system identifier:linux
>>> Operating system version:unknown
>>> Is Flash installed? Yes
>>> Flash version:0
>>> Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
>>> Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8
>>>
>>>
>>> Supported Browsers:
>>>
>>> name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
>>> name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
>>> name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
>>> name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12
>>
>> I don't get the problem if I spoof Firefox with the following UA string:
>>  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8)
>>   Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3, NOT Firefox/3.5.6
>>
>> This is clearly a case of invalid sniffing.  Since I am a Time Warner
>> customer, I will submit a bug report later today.
>>
> I've just gone to the Time-Warner Cable home page and it loaded just 
> fine. I also went to the Time-Warner headquarters site home page and it 
> worked just fine. Note I am using 2.0.4 SM.  doesn't 2.03 use gecko 
> 1.1.8 and 2.0.4 use 1.1.9 (the same as in the latest FireFox.
> 

The problem is not in the Time Warner Cable site itself.  The problem is
in the outsourced PayXpress Bill Pay payment site operated by Convergent
Care.  If you tried the link in the original message, you would see the
problem.

This is now bug #556316.  See
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556316>.

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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread Phillip Jones

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/10 9:05 AM, Phillip Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/30/10 7:38 PM, isuy wrote:



https://twlax.convergentcare.com/twlax/validateSelfCareCustomer.do?action=initialize

When I click the link above, I get this message:


Your browser is not supported at this time.

Browser identifier:mozsea
Browser version:1.9.1.8
Browser major version:1
Browser minor version:9.1.8
Browser engine:gecko
Browser engine version:20100222
Full user agent string:mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us;
rv:1.9.1.8) gecko/20100222 seamonkey/2.0.3
Operating system identifier:linux
Operating system version:unknown
Is Flash installed? Yes
Flash version:0
Are popups allowed for this site?Yes
Newest version of Javascript supported by this browser?1.8


Supported Browsers:

name: msie; minimum version: 6.0;maximum version: 9.0
name: firefox; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: mozilla; minimum version: 2.0.0.13
name: safari; minimum version: 3.1.12


I don't get the problem if I spoof Firefox with the following UA string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8)
 Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3, NOT Firefox/3.5.6

This is clearly a case of invalid sniffing.  Since I am a Time Warner
customer, I will submit a bug report later today.


I've just gone to the Time-Warner Cable home page and it loaded just
fine. I also went to the Time-Warner headquarters site home page and it
worked just fine. Note I am using 2.0.4 SM.  doesn't 2.03 use gecko
1.1.8 and 2.0.4 use 1.1.9 (the same as in the latest FireFox.



The problem is not in the Time Warner Cable site itself.  The problem is
in the outsourced PayXpress Bill Pay payment site operated by Convergent
Care.  If you tried the link in the original message, you would see the
problem.

This is now bug #556316.  See
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556316>.

That was like Suntrust was for me on SM 1 Had to use ad on the end of 
the UA string "/.not Firefox 2.0" Now with SM2 there is no problem.


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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread JeffM
Phillip Jones wrote:
>doesn't 2.03 use gecko 1.1.8
>and 2.0.4 use 1.1.9 (the same as in the latest FireFox.
>
Close, but no cigar.
You've either got too few or too many dots and ones in there.
SeaMonkey 1.x -- Gecko 1.8
SeaMonkey 2.0.3 -- Gecko 1.9 (aka 1.9.1.8)
SeaMonkey 2.0.4 -- Gecko 1.9 (aka 1.9.1.9)
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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2010-03-31 Thread JeffM
David E. Ross wrote:
>This is clearly a case of invalid sniffing.
>
Yup.
Another case of unqualified people building Web sites.

It's obvious they are building the site for Internet Exploder
and sniffing for other browsers--when what they SHOULD be doing
is building a standards-compliant site
and sniffing ONLY for the least-compliant browsers (M$'s junk).
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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-24 Thread hapihakr
Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox. The following 
command will execute on Linux. Windows may be slightly different (both 
executable program and user agent string).

google-chrome --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; 
rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Linux Mint/9 (Isadora) Firefox/3.6.13"


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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-25 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
hapihakr wrote:

> Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox. The
> following command will execute on Linux. Windows may be slightly
> different (both executable program and user agent string). 
> 
> google-chrome --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
> rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Linux Mint/9 (Isadora) Firefox/3.6.13"

Instead of changing to the Firefox UA string (which will reduce
SeaMonkey's market share), just add the following to the original:

   NOT Firefox/3.6.13

The sniffers just look in the string for the word "Firefox". Better yet,
notify the web site to stop sniffing completely. If an author builds a
proper web site, it will/should work in any browser.

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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-25 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


hapihakr wrote:


Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox. The
following command will execute on Linux. Windows may be slightly
different (both executable program and user agent string).

google-chrome --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64;
en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Linux Mint/9 (Isadora)
Firefox/3.6.13"


Instead of changing to the Firefox UA string (which will reduce
SeaMonkey's market share), just add the following to the original:

NOT Firefox/3.6.13

The sniffers just look in the string for the word "Firefox". Better
yet, notify the web site to stop sniffing completely. If an author
builds a proper web site, it will/should work in any browser.


But what will they do with all that money they save by building only one 
version of their site? And how will their webmaster survive on only a 
third of his former pay?


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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-25 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> hapihakr wrote:
>>> Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox. The
>>> following command will execute on Linux. Windows may be slightly
>>> different (both executable program and user agent string). 
>>> 
>>> google-chrome --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64;
>>> en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Linux Mint/9 (Isadora)
>>> Firefox/3.6.13"
>> 
>> Instead of changing to the Firefox UA string (which will reduce
>> SeaMonkey's market share), just add the following to the original:
>>
>>NOT Firefox/3.6.13
>>
>> The sniffers just look in the string for the word "Firefox". Better
>> yet, notify the web site to stop sniffing completely. If an author
>> builds a proper web site, it will/should work in any browser.
> 
> But what will they do with all that money they save by building only
> one version of their site? And how will their webmaster survive on
> only a third of his former pay?

I'm guessing your post is tongue-in-cheek humor. That's okay. However,
it is not necessary to build multiple versions, not even for multiple
languages. If one writes code adhering to W3C standards, browser
*sniffing* is not required at all. This is not difficult.

(Re the languages, the content is contained in a database and the
particular content is read and displayed by server-side scripts and
based on user choice of the language.)

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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-25 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


But what will they do with all that money they save by building
only one version of their site? And how will their webmaster
survive on only a third of his former pay?


I'm guessing your post is tongue-in-cheek humor. That's okay.
However, it is not necessary to build multiple versions, not even for
multiple languages. If one writes code adhering to W3C standards,
browser *sniffing* is not required at all. This is not difficult.


Yes, that was humor, and yes, that's exactly my point.

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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-25 Thread JeffM
hapihakr wrote:
>Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox.
>
...or just don't visit sites built by chimps.

Thanks for posting to an 11-month old thread.

In addition:
The proper line length length for text in Usenet posts
is also much shorter than your post would indicate.
http://google.com/search?q=RFC+Usenet+%22.no-more-than-78-characters%22
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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-26 Thread upscope
On Friday, February 25, 2011 04:30:23 AM Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
wrote:
> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> 
> > Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> >> hapihakr wrote:
> >>> Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox. The
> >>> following command will execute on Linux. Windows may be slightly
> >>> different (both executable program and user agent string). 
> >>> 
> >>> google-chrome --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64;
> >>> en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Linux Mint/9 (Isadora)
> >>> Firefox/3.6.13"
> >> 
> >> Instead of changing to the Firefox UA string (which will reduce
> >> SeaMonkey's market share), just add the following to the 
original:
> >>
> >>NOT Firefox/3.6.13
> >>
> >> The sniffers just look in the string for the word "Firefox". 
Better
> >> yet, notify the web site to stop sniffing completely. If an 
author
> >> builds a proper web site, it will/should work in any browser.
> > 
> > But what will they do with all that money they save by building 
only
> > one version of their site? And how will their webmaster survive on
> > only a third of his former pay?
> 
> I'm guessing your post is tongue-in-cheek humor. That's okay. 
However,
> it is not necessary to build multiple versions, not even for 
multiple
> languages. If one writes code adhering to W3C standards, browser
> *sniffing* is not required at all. This is not difficult.
> 
> (Re the languages, the content is contained in a database and the
> particular content is read and displayed by server-side scripts and
> based on user choice of the language.)
> 
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One of the reasons they write for only one browser (ususlly IE) is Ms 
does not require the  or  part of the line. W3C does. 
It's called laziness. Just run a browser page thru the W3C verifier 
and you will see.
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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-26 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
upscope wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
 hapihakr wrote:
> Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox. The
> following command will execute on Linux. Windows may be slightly
> different (both executable program and user agent string). 
> 
> google-chrome --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64;
> en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Linux Mint/9 (Isadora)
> Firefox/3.6.13"
 
 Instead of changing to the Firefox UA string (which will reduce
 SeaMonkey's market share), just add the following to the original:
 
NOT Firefox/3.6.13 
 
 The sniffers just look in the string for the word "Firefox".
 Better yet, notify the web site to stop sniffing completely. If an
 author builds a proper web site, it will/should work in any
 browser.
>>> 
>>> But what will they do with all that money they save by building
>>> only one version of their site? And how will their webmaster
>>> survive on only a third of his former pay?
>> 
>> I'm guessing your post is tongue-in-cheek humor. That's okay.
>> However, it is not necessary to build multiple versions, not even
>> for multiple languages. If one writes code adhering to W3C
>> standards, browser *sniffing* is not required at all. This is not
>> difficult. 
>> 
>> (Re the languages, the content is contained in a database and the
>> particular content is read and displayed by server-side scripts and
>> based on user choice of the language.)
> 
> One of the reasons they write for only one browser (ususlly IE) is Ms
> does not require the  or  part of the line. W3C does.
> It's called laziness. Just run a browser page thru the W3C verifier
> and you will see.

Most "developers" (or so they think themselves) these days write and
test with three or four browsers:  IE (either 7 or 8), Firefox, Chrome,
and possibly Opera. They do not understand that writing *standard,
compliant code* will work in *all* modern browsers.

BTW, the ,  and  elements are
_not_ required with any browser, nor by the W3C. I'm quite familiar with
the W3C and CSS validators. For an example, see:


Some years ago, a young fellow did his doctoral thesis on "validity of
web pages." He found at that time that approximately 7% of millions of
pages were valid.

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Re: Message: Your browser is not supported at this time.

2011-02-26 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


Most "developers" (or so they think themselves) these days write and
test with three or four browsers:  IE (either 7 or 8), Firefox,
Chrome, and possibly Opera. They do not understand that writing
*standard, compliant code* will work in *all* modern browsers.

BTW, the,  and  elements are
_not_ required with any browser, nor by the W3C. I'm quite familiar
with the W3C and CSS validators. For an example, see:


Some years ago, a young fellow did his doctoral thesis on "validity
of web pages." He found at that time that approximately 7% of
millions of pages were valid.


That's a pretty good result, if "valid" means "free of errors." The 
world would be a much better place if the human race could achieve that 
high standard.


My guess is that millions more pages have only minor slip-ups with 
minimal effect on usability. The most egregious cases, as with humans, 
are only a small minority.


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