Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 8:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean Sort by: Order Received. As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the plain Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. How do you sort by Received. I don't have that option. In my SeaMonkey, I have no such option. I do have Sort by Order Received. Is that what you're talking about. I've found that is set to the time the message is placed in the mail folder. For example, if I get three messages: A, B and C - in that order, then move them into another mail folder in this order: First B, then A, then C, and the other mail folder is set to display in the Order Received, the messages are display in this order: B, A, C. As far as I can see, it's not using the dates in the received headers at all. Perhaps this changed for SM 2.x. This is how it's always worked for me in SeaMonkey 1.1.X (and I'm pretty sure earlier Mozilla products as well). Well, I'm in the same boat as you -- my SM 1.1.16 only offers Order received, and I have no idea how it would calculate that, since the message header doesn't contain that info. Does SM somehow mark each message with a date/time stamp of its own??? I can sort by the sender's date, of course, that's trivial. My fallback theory is that some programmer devised a bad name for something, and he probably means something else. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
On 1/19/2010 6:40 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 8:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean Sort by: Order Received. As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the plain Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. How do you sort by Received. I don't have that option. In my SeaMonkey, I have no such option. I do have Sort by Order Received. Is that what you're talking about. I've found that is set to the time the message is placed in the mail folder. For example, if I get three messages: A, B and C - in that order, then move them into another mail folder in this order: First B, then A, then C, and the other mail folder is set to display in the Order Received, the messages are display in this order: B, A, C. As far as I can see, it's not using the dates in the received headers at all. Perhaps this changed for SM 2.x. This is how it's always worked for me in SeaMonkey 1.1.X (and I'm pretty sure earlier Mozilla products as well). Well, I'm in the same boat as you -- my SM 1.1.16 only offers Order received, and I have no idea how it would calculate that, since the message header doesn't contain that info. Does SM somehow mark each message with a date/time stamp of its own??? Based on my experience (described above) it keeps track of the date/time the message was placed into the mail folder. This is the order the message was received by the mail folder. I can sort by the sender's date, of course, that's trivial. My fallback theory is that some programmer devised a bad name for something, and he probably means something else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Hi Mark and Arne Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/19/2010 6:40 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 8:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean Sort by: Order Received. As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the plain Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. How do you sort by Received. I don't have that option. In my SeaMonkey, I have no such option. I do have Sort by Order Received. Is that what you're talking about. I've found that is set to the time the message is placed in the mail folder. For example, if I get three messages: A, B and C - in that order, then move them into another mail folder in this order: First B, then A, then C, and the other mail folder is set to display in the Order Received, the messages are display in this order: B, A, C. As far as I can see, it's not using the dates in the received headers at all. Perhaps this changed for SM 2.x. This is how it's always worked for me in SeaMonkey 1.1.X (and I'm pretty sure earlier Mozilla products as well). Well, I'm in the same boat as you -- my SM 1.1.16 only offers Order received, and I have no idea how it would calculate that, since the message header doesn't contain that info. Does SM somehow mark each message with a date/time stamp of its own??? Based on my experience (described above) it keeps track of the date/time the message was placed into the mail folder. This is the order the message was received by the mail folder. I can sort by the sender's date, of course, that's trivial. My fallback theory is that some programmer devised a bad name for something, and he probably means something else. ___ Actually the time date stamp is add by the sending computer, as you can see this email has a time date stamp of a year ago to the minute and that's because I rolled back my computer time just to show how it works. -- Big Bill ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
On 1/11/2010 8:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean Sort by: Order Received. As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the plain Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. How do you sort by Received. I don't have that option. In my SeaMonkey, I have no such option. I do have Sort by Order Received. Is that what you're talking about. I've found that is set to the time the message is placed in the mail folder. For example, if I get three messages: A, B and C - in that order, then move them into another mail folder in this order: First B, then A, then C, and the other mail folder is set to display in the Order Received, the messages are display in this order: B, A, C. As far as I can see, it's not using the dates in the received headers at all. Perhaps this changed for SM 2.x. This is how it's always worked for me in SeaMonkey 1.1.X (and I'm pretty sure earlier Mozilla products as well). Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Il 14/01/10 01:00, Bill Davidsen ha scritto: Andrea Govoni wrote: This is true for e-mails but not for newsgroups messages, AFAIK. So what's the point of having Sort by -- Received even for newsgroups and what does it actually do for newsgroups messages? It seems a bug to me. Seems to sort by the date received on the server. I'm not sure that's totally useful, but each article in a group is assigned a consecutive number in ascending order, so this sort is possible. This makes sense, thank you very much. FWIW, I think that all the details of the various sorting options that came out of this discussion should be available in the integrated SeaMonkey Help. At this time, they aren't. Do you think it is worth a bug report? -- Andrea XFox Govoni AIM/iChat/ICQ: x...@mac.com Yahoo! ID: xfox82 Skype Name: draykan PGP KeyID: 0x212E69C1 Fingerprint: FBE1 CA7D 34BE 4A53 9639 5C36 B7A0 605F 212E 69C1 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 14/01/10 01:00, Bill Davidsen ha scritto: Andrea Govoni wrote: This is true for e-mails but not for newsgroups messages, AFAIK. So what's the point of having Sort by -- Received even for newsgroups and what does it actually do for newsgroups messages? It seems a bug to me. Seems to sort by the date received on the server. I'm not sure that's totally useful, but each article in a group is assigned a consecutive number in ascending order, so this sort is possible. This makes sense, thank you very much. FWIW, I think that all the details of the various sorting options that came out of this discussion should be available in the integrated SeaMonkey Help. At this time, they aren't. Do you think it is worth a bug report? I have everything setup (even newsgroups) set up to sort on subject, the ascending or descending order. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean Sort by: Order Received. As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the plain Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. Thanks, that makes sense. The date and time could be my computers then, when sorting by Order Received? That option seems to be the only one that always put all posts and threads in a logical order, from my point of view. ;) -- /Arne ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Arne wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean Sort by: Order Received. As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the plain Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. Thanks, that makes sense. The date and time could be my computers then, when sorting by Order Received? That option seems to be the only one that always put all posts and threads in a logical order, from my point of view. ;) Some spammers put a very old or very new date on their mail, to get it to the top of your display. Order received normalizes that, and puts it in the right place. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Q about mail/news sorting
I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? After years with using the Suite and now SeaMonkey, I still haven't discovered the difference in hoe the mails and news posts/threads are sorted. As it seems to me, the sort order for threads in both cases is by the newest post, making the visible dates disordered since the older posts are covering the new. When choosing Sort by: Order Received I can see that the threads are sorted by the date of first post in the thread as it also is the oldest post. The other thing that puzzles me is, when changing the sorting in any way (e.g. from Date to Order Received) the date order is automatically changed. I considered this as a bug that I hope can be corrected. I prefer to see the threads/mails in Descended order, but every time I change any other sort option, the date order is changed to Ascending order and I have to go back to View - Sort by to change it back to Descending. Why can't that option stay even if I change an other sort option? -- /Arne ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Q about mail/news sorting
Arne wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/11/2010 3:41 AM, Arne wrote: I would like to know what the difference is between Sort by: Date and Sort by: Received? Do you mean Sort by: Order Received? That is the date/time the message showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the date shown in the Date header of the message. These can be different. No, I don't mean Sort by: Order Received. As I wrote, I can see what happen with that sort order. But I can't see what happen with the plain Received sorting that is different from sorting by Date. OK, here's a theory: If you look at a message header, you'll see that it contains Date: and Received: fields. The Date: field is the date attached by the sending computer, which may or may not be accurate. The Received: fields are attached by the various servers that handle the message en route. So if you sort by Date:, you're sorting by when the sender's computer thought it sent it, and if you sort by Received:, you're sorting by when one of the mail servers thought it got it. Could be as much as several days apart. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
