Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Bill Davidsen]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:47:10 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:



SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form data editor as part of the Data Manager.


Will it hopefully look like what we have now with the autofill, or are we in for 
dose of "did what the developer needed" functionality?


It means that you are in for a dose of "nobody else stepped up to the
plate so KaiRo did the best he could seeing as he is primarily a
translator and website designer and not a developer except that he's
learnt to do a few things in the last few years mostly by osmosis".

/me looks at Bill. Why don't you pick up a copy of Javascript for
Dummies at the local Borders?

Unless it has a chapter on "being happy having no life at all" there's no way 
it's going to do any good. And having never found anything like the Linux kernel 
mailing to submit patches painlessly, I would be maintaining them just for me 
forever. There's a perfectly good autofill extension, as long as that continues 
to work I will continue to ignore the default forms stuff.


And Sams "Javascript in 24 hours" is the book I would recommend if someone asked 
me. I suppose my 4th edition is out of date by now, but it serves.


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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Philip Chee]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:47:10 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:

>> SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form data editor as part of the Data Manager.
>> 
>> 
> Will it hopefully look like what we have now with the autofill, or are we in 
> for 
> dose of "did what the developer needed" functionality?

It means that you are in for a dose of "nobody else stepped up to the
plate so KaiRo did the best he could seeing as he is primarily a
translator and website designer and not a developer except that he's
learnt to do a few things in the last few years mostly by osmosis".

/me looks at Bill. Why don't you pick up a copy of Javascript for
Dummies at the local Borders?

Phil

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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Bill Davidsen]

John Doue wrote:

On 7/21/2010 11:00 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit :


I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form
Manager in
1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions
developed
for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not,
which
one is recommended at this time?


I don't think there's a "recommended one". But people here can tell you
their opinion...

I routinely use Autofill Forms (Philip Chee ported it to SM). It's very
elaborate but you can make a basic use of it (as I do). It's even better
than the old Form Manager since you can set keyboard shortcuts to 
capture

forms, fill in them, fill in and submit them, etc.



I use the two extensions Forms History Manager and AutoFill Forms. the
two almost replace the better Forms Manager in SM 1, but no quite. but
come very close. I've resigned myself having to use two extensions to
replace what was easy as falling of a log in SM 1. And Since these two
extensions have come out all talk or restoring the forms manager has
stopped.


snip

Perhaps also because lots of those who are dissatisfied with 2.0x 
remain, as I do, with 1.1.19 or went to FF 3.5 or 3.6 and TB, hoping 
that upcoming version 2.1 will bring back missing features (albeit 
perhaps in a different form :))-and correct some other issues.


They have quit talking about those issues since they feel they have made 
their point and hope they have been heard by the developers ...


Most people found useful solutions with one extension or another, and the noise 
level dropped to about zero. I fear another case of "problem solved, users 
happy, let's change it."


Forms dropped off my list of things which annoy me daily (it's down to two now), 
the day autofill came out. I suspect that's common. The others won't get fixed, 
the developer wants them to works that way.


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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Bill Davidsen]

Philip Chee wrote:

On 22/07/2010 04:12, S. Beaulieu wrote:

Phillip Jones a écrit :

To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful
features. :-(


To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially 
damaging features.


SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form data editor as part of the Data Manager.


Will it hopefully look like what we have now with the autofill, or are we in for 
dose of "did what the developer needed" functionality? The solutions available 
are pretty good. I can handle the cases where I have a complex form and need to 
fill it out 5-6 different ways, would hate to lose that.


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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 21 juillet 2010, Phillip Jones a écrit :
I use the two extensions Forms History Manager and AutoFill Forms. the two 
almost replace the better Forms Manager in SM 1, but no quite. but come very 
close. I've resigned myself having to use two extensions to replace what was 
easy as falling of a log in SM 1.


To use only one extension, you could (as I do) turn off completely SM's 
builtin form manager. Then you capture form data at will and "by hand" 
with Autofill Forms (just like we did in SM1, Edit > Save form data). Then 
you can edit saved data in Autofill Forms' preferences. No need for Forms 
History Manager anymore.


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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[John Doue]

On 7/21/2010 11:00 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit :


I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form
Manager in
1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions
developed
for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not,
which
one is recommended at this time?


I don't think there's a "recommended one". But people here can tell you
their opinion...

I routinely use Autofill Forms (Philip Chee ported it to SM). It's very
elaborate but you can make a basic use of it (as I do). It's even better
than the old Form Manager since you can set keyboard shortcuts to capture
forms, fill in them, fill in and submit them, etc.



I use the two extensions Forms History Manager and AutoFill Forms. the
two almost replace the better Forms Manager in SM 1, but no quite. but
come very close. I've resigned myself having to use two extensions to
replace what was easy as falling of a log in SM 1. And Since these two
extensions have come out all talk or restoring the forms manager has
stopped.


snip

Perhaps also because lots of those who are dissatisfied with 2.0x 
remain, as I do, with 1.1.19 or went to FF 3.5 or 3.6 and TB, hoping 
that upcoming version 2.1 will bring back missing features (albeit 
perhaps in a different form :))-and correct some other issues.


They have quit talking about those issues since they feel they have made 
their point and hope they have been heard by the developers ...



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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Philip Chee]

On 22/07/2010 04:12, S. Beaulieu wrote:
> Phillip Jones a écrit :
>> To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful
>> features. :-(
> 
> 
> To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially 
> damaging features.

SeaMonkey 2.1 will have a Form data editor as part of the Data Manager.


Phil

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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Bill Davidsen]

S. Beaulieu wrote:

Phillip Jones a écrit :

S. Beaulieu wrote:

Phillip Jones a écrit :

To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful
features. :-(



To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially
damaging features.

S.


That too, but should be finding replacement or rewriting both useful and
insecure useful,



So you'd rather they kept a potentially damaging feature until (if ever) 
someone decides to make something to replace it?


We absolutely would not go to 2.0.x until Phil released his form manager. The 
included forms stuff doesn't fit our use in any way.


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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[S. Beaulieu]

Phillip Jones a écrit :

S. Beaulieu wrote:

Phillip Jones a écrit :

To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful
features. :-(



To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially
damaging features.

S.


That too, but should be finding replacement or rewriting both useful and
insecure useful,



So you'd rather they kept a potentially damaging feature until (if ever) 
someone decides to make something to replace it?


S.
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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Phillip Jones]

S. Beaulieu wrote:

Phillip Jones a écrit :

To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful
features. :-(



To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially
damaging features.

S.


That too, but should be finding replacement or rewriting both useful and 
insecure useful,


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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[S. Beaulieu]

Phillip Jones a écrit :

To make Applications run faster, they are in habit of retiring useful
features. :-(



To make applications safer, they are in habit of retiring potentially 
damaging features.


S.
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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Phillip Jones]

Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit :


I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in
1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed
for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not, which
one is recommended at this time?


I don't think there's a "recommended one". But people here can tell you
their opinion...

I routinely use Autofill Forms (Philip Chee ported it to SM). It's very
elaborate but you can make a basic use of it (as I do). It's even better
than the old Form Manager since you can set keyboard shortcuts to capture
forms, fill in them, fill in and submit them, etc.



I use the two extensions Forms History Manager and AutoFill Forms. the 
two almost replace the better Forms Manager in SM 1, but no quite. but 
come very close. I've resigned myself having to use two extensions to 
replace what was easy as falling of a log in SM 1. And Since these two 
extensions have come out all talk or restoring the forms manager has 
stopped. Just because we have something to use does not mean we are 
happy about it.


 To make Applications run faster,  they are in habit of retiring useful 
features. :-(

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Re: Best Form Manager Now?

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit :

I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in 
1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed 
for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not, which 
one is recommended at this time?


I don't think there's a "recommended one". But people here can tell you 
their opinion...


I routinely use Autofill Forms (Philip Chee ported it to SM). It's very 
elaborate but you can make a basic use of it (as I do). It's even better 
than the old Form Manager since you can set keyboard shortcuts to capture 
forms, fill in them, fill in and submit them, etc.


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