Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:

Thanks. Paul.

I have version 2.39. Not sure what the user agent thing is that
Daniel shows below.


Each outgoing mail message, unless the sender goes through a webmail, 
has a field in its header that specifies the "user agent" (mail program 
used to compose it). If you select your message and do CTRL-U (Windows) 
or CMD-U (Mac), you should see a line like this about 20 lines from the top:


User-Agent: G2/1.0

If you select my message and do the same, you should see:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39


This is more helpful because I'm actually using SeaMonkey to post here, 
while you're not. Even if I don't explicitly state my version and 
platform in a query, troubleshooters can look it up this way.



I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be
one of the developers? Are there any other MAC users?


Sure, let's keep reading and one of them is bound to speak up.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

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Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:


Thanks. Paul.


I have version 2.39.  Not sure what the user agent thing is that Daniel shows 
below.  

I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be one of 
the developers?  Are there any other MAC users?

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Daniel]

On 15/03/2016 3:20 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).




Hmm, yes, we do have some differences in our dialogs.

To repeat my previous question: What version of SM do you have? I'm
using the latest stable release, v. 2.39.


His User Agent is showing as "G2/1.0"

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).




Hmm, yes, we do have some differences in our dialogs.

To repeat my previous question: What version of SM do you have? I'm 
using the latest stable release, v. 2.39.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).

https://www.evernote.com/l/AQroH_zWjBZEe7DVRBtDWu32OxC1hJpYJro

I wonder what other Mac people are doing?
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/13/2016 04:58 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Christian Riechers wrote:
>> On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
 Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
 protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
 login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
 time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
 closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
 wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
 for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.
>>>
>>> What protocol?
>>
>> OAuth2
> 
> For web browser authorization. Again, for a mail client? Not a push for
> their webmail portal?

Thunderbird has implemented OAuth2 authentication for Gmail IMAP and
SMTP since v38.
The benefit is that one doesn't need to jump through hoops anymore and
allow 'less secure' apps for Gmail.
I don't know about Seamonkey.

> 

That post is more than a year old.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Christian Riechers wrote:

On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.


What protocol?


OAuth2


For web browser authorization. Again, for a mail client? Not a push for 
their webmail portal?





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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you, Paul G.

It looked like it was going to work, but then in each account, under

> Server Settings, under Message Storage, I get


Clean up check box
Empty Trash checkbox

Message Store type (per folder or per mailbox)
(only selectable on one account, the other two accounts have this
greyed out)

And
Local directory, which is preset, but I can also browse.

There is NO advanced tab except under Server Settings, which is a
different one.


Not a tab, a button. On my display, it's to the right of the line
[x] Empty Trash on Exit
and above and to the right of
Message Store Type: [File per folder (mbox)]

I would also note that this applies only to mail accounts; the dialog is 
somewhat different for newsgroup accounts. And of course Local Folders 
has no Server Settings section.


What version of SM do you have? I'm using the latest stable release, v. 
2.39.



I wonder if the OSX version is different.


Possibly.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Thank you, Paul G.

It looked like it was going to work, but then in each account, under Server 
Settings, under Message Storage, I get 

Clean up check box
Empty Trash checkbox


Message Store type (per folder or per mailbox)
(only selectable on one account, the other two accounts have this greyed out)

And
Local directory, which is preset, but I can also browse.

There is NO advanced tab except under Server Settings, which is a different one.

I wonder if the OSX version is different.


Your other two suggestions work fine. Thank you.  Also you interesting filter 
idea.

Thanks,
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
>> Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
>> protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
>> login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
>> time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
>> closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
>> wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
>> for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.
> 
> What protocol?

OAuth2

> Currently using SSL/StartTLS,

In this context SSL/TLS has got nothing to do with the way you
authenticate to your Gmail account.

> do you mean TLS 1.0? IIRC

No.

> Mozilla tried disabling it by default, but it broke too many websites so
> folk could do things like online banking... Or is this some special
> protocol where Chrome takes a DNS sample? ;-)

It is scary how you arbitrarily throw in new terms completely out of
context.
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


more on SeaMonkey

1) In MAC Mail I am able to have a single view of the combined emails
coming into my several accounts, but so far, in SeaMonkey I see all
mail organized under the domain.  That means I get a separate lin
with Emails (Read messages, Compose) , Accounts (View Settings,
Create new) and Advanced (search, manage.)

Is there any way to have all messages appear together without having
to click each account? I researched and found that you have a
global inbox, but this option ONLY seems available for account
creation.


This doesn't really answer your question as asked, but it's worth 
looking into since it's good stuff to know anyway:


I have an elaborate system of filters that moves incoming messages to 
appropriate folders, so for example I can see all my accountant's 
messages in one place. When a new message lands in a box, the box name 
is bolded with the number of new messages in parens. So if my 
accountant's box lights up, I can see at a glance that I have mail from 
him. In fact, most of my incoming mail is prefiled for me this way, so I 
hardly have to spend any time in the Inbox.


Where it gets interesting is that you can filter messages from one 
account into a folder in another account, so in principle you could 
write a filter that filed all messages arriving in one account to 
another account's inbox. Or not, your choice.


Now here's the direct answer to your question:

Go to Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings.

Expand each account, and click "Server Settings."

Near the bottom of that pane, you'll see a section, "Message Storage." 
Click the "Advanced" button there. You'll get a dialog saying,


When downloading mail for , use the following folder for 
new mail:

(•) Inbox for this server's account
(o) Inbox for different account [Choose folder...]

If you select the second option, one of the folders offered is "Global 
Inbox (Local Folders)." This will route all incoming mail for the 
account to the Inbox folder under the "Local Folders" account.


By following this procedure for all your mail accounts, you should be 
able to route all incoming mail to the global inbox.



2)  The order of my folders within each account just seems to have
changed.  Before it was INBOX, followed by drafts, send messages,
etc. Now these appear at the bottom in reverse order.  Must be
something I clicked, but where?  now it has gone back.  But not sure
why or how.


At the top of the folder list, you should see the column heading "Name." 
Click it to reverse the order. You probably did that by accident, but 
since it's a toggle, it's easily fixed.



3) Anyway to get the first pane (FOLDER pane) to show larger fonts?


Dunno, I would think that was an OS feature. My Windows expertise won't 
help you on a Mac.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

more on SeaMonkey

1) In MAC Mail I am able to have a single view of the combined emails coming 
into my several accounts, but so far, in SeaMonkey I se all mail organized 
under the domain.  That means I get a separate lin with Emails (Read messages, 
Compose) , Accounts (View Settings, Create new)  and Advanced (search, 
manage.)

Is there any way to have all messages appear together wihout having to click 
each account?   I researched and found that you have a global inbox,
but this option ONLY seems available for account creation.

Online, someone said around 2010

 "mail in the same box, do this:
Edit | Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings | Server Settings (for each of 
your five accounts) | "Advanced" button, choose "Global Inbox (Local 
Folders Account)."


but as far as I can see this option is not in SeaMonkey now.

Mozilla help is confusing as it is mostly about Thunderbird.

Any easy ways?  The option to create a local inbox (global inbox) when creating 
the account was not clear, but I would like to do it after the fact if possible.


2)  The order of my folders within each account just seems to have changed.  
Before it was INBOX, followed by drafts, send messages, etc.
Now these appear at the bottom in reverese order.  Must be something I clicked, 
but where?  now it has gone back.  But not sure why or how.

3) Anyway to get the first pane (FOLDER pane)to show larger fonts?

Thank you!
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Thanks to all. I successfully used allowing non secure email clients. It was a 
chore to find it, but it worked well.


About my address being visible, I am surprised. I administer a mailman list but 
it makes the addresses incomplete looking like this:  tokyopro...@mailbox.org.

In fact, I see that in  the archives, though I am not sure why the list is 
forwarding to gmail for archives rather than using mailman.

Anyway, it is working.

Thanks.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

El 10/03/16 a las 15:24, Jonathan N. Little escribió:

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve
email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I
have the most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in
fact, gmail does not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be
another reason for that message, or what.



When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the
webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable
"less secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client
security but more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome
and webmail interface.


Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.



What protocol?  Currently using SSL/StartTLS, do you mean TLS 1.0? IIRC 
Mozilla tried disabling it by default, but it broke too many websites so 
folk could do things like online banking... Or is this some special 
protocol where Chrome takes a DNS sample? ;-)


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez]

El 10/03/16 a las 15:24, Jonathan N. Little escribió:
> tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:
>> I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
>> through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
>> telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve
>> email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I
>> have the most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in
>> fact, gmail does not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be
>> another reason for that message, or what.
>>
> 
> When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the
> webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable
> "less secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client
> security but more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome
> and webmail interface.

Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you for these answers.  Did not realize we can post from Google
Groups to MAILMAN (how did you do that. My account names are
different too). I will have to try that...setting gmail to accept a
less secure client.

BTW, I just got spam addressed to be quoting my message, even though
my full address does bot show up here How did they figure that out?


Not sure which address you mean, but they're both clearly visible to me.

There's one in the domain , and one in the domain 
. I won't help the spambots by quoting them in full, but you 
might consider munging your address as I and many others do when posting 
to newsgroups. A human can take one look at my munged address and see 
how to convert it to the correct one, but a spambot just copies it 
mindlessly and gets a bounce.


Alternately, you could use a so-called "burner email" -- one that you'll 
discard as soon as the spambots catch on.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Thank you for these answers.  Did not realize we can post from Google Groups to 
MAILMAN (how did you do that. My account names are different too). I will have 
to try that...settimg gmail to accept a less secure client.

BTW, I just got spam addressed to be quoting my message, even though my full 
address does bot show up here How did they figure that out?

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:


Hi

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve email from this
application because it was not an up-to-date one. I have the most
recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in fact, gmail does
not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be another reason for
that message, or what.

If true, and since I want to get away from OSX Mail due to its own
bugs in getting duplicates of gmail messages, it seems I may be
forced to have gmail forward new mail to my mailbox.org account.

Your advice welcomed.


"Hard to say..." ;-)

Can't speak for the Mac side, but I've been using various PC versions of 
SM for years to retrieve Gmail without difficulty or complaint from 
Google. Gmail does have a setting (accessible through their webmail) to 
enable POP mail downloads, but if you haven't forgotten to do that, you 
should have no problem.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:

Hi

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone through. I tried 
to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail telling me they blocked the 
attempt to retrieve
email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I have the 
most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in fact, gmail does not 
play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be another reason for that message, or 
what.

If true, and since I want to get away from OSX Mail due to its own bugs in 
getting duplicates of gmail messages, it seems I may be forced to have gmail 
forward new mail to my mailbox.org account.

Your advice welcomed.


When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the 
webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable "less 
secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client security but 
more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome and webmail 
interface.



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