Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-24 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message , Ray Davison 
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Ian Jackson wrote:


But how do you get SM to recognise the WLM's .eml files?


You said "Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension...".  So 
if TB can import them have TB do it, then have SM use the files that TB 
converted.



The problem is now resolved (see rest of thread).
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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-24 Thread Ray Davison 

Ian Jackson wrote:


But how do you get SM to recognise the WLM's .eml files?


You said "Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension...".  So 
if TB can import them have TB do it, then have SM use the files that TB 
converted.


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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-24 Thread hawker 

On 2/24/2014 3:52 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Ian Jackson
 writes

In message , Ian Jackson
 writes

In message , Ian Jackson
 writes

In message <5307795a.6090...@asheville-spamtrap-community.org>,
hawker  writes

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:








Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Just an update: So far, no go. I still get the 'incompatible'
message. I might try Paul B. Gallagher suggestion, ie use old
version that works (if I can find one), then transfer e-mail from
old version to a new version.



A further update.
I've re-done the editing etc, and this time IET installed OK (I
presumably got it right). The Tools drop-down menu shows IET, and
IET's subsequent menus look correct. Next step if to try to import
some WLM .eml files.


Just a final report:
With install.rdf modified as per Hawker's instructions, and the
extracted files and folders from importexporttools-2.8.0.4-tb.xpi zipped
up again, IET installs and works perfectly with SM 2.24. It can import
the complete folder (and the subfolders it contains) where WLM's
exported emails have been saved.

Just a bit of information for anyone doing it
You can't import to a SM account. Instead, you have to import into a
folder in an account - so it's best to create a folder specifically for
the purpose, and call it (say) 'WLM imports'.

However, I seem to be having a problem when using MozBackup with
Seamonkey - but I'll raise that in another thread.


Glad to know it worked for you and I could be of help.

Never really had any issues with MozBackup. I use it a fair amount, 
though I seem to remember hearing others have issues with some versions.



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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-24 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message , Ian Jackson 
 writes
In message , Ian Jackson 
 writes
In message , Ian Jackson 
 writes
In message <5307795a.6090...@asheville-spamtrap-community.org>, 
hawker  writes

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:








Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Just an update: So far, no go. I still get the 'incompatible' 
message. I might try Paul B. Gallagher suggestion, ie use old version 
that works (if I can find one), then transfer e-mail from old version 
to a new version.



A further update.
I've re-done the editing etc, and this time IET installed OK (I 
presumably got it right). The Tools drop-down menu shows IET, and IET's 
subsequent menus look correct. Next step if to try to import some WLM 
.eml files.


Just a final report:
With install.rdf modified as per Hawker's instructions, and the 
extracted files and folders from importexporttools-2.8.0.4-tb.xpi zipped 
up again, IET installs and works perfectly with SM 2.24. It can import 
the complete folder (and the subfolders it contains) where WLM's 
exported emails have been saved.


Just a bit of information for anyone doing it
You can't import to a SM account. Instead, you have to import into a 
folder in an account - so it's best to create a folder specifically for 
the purpose, and call it (say) 'WLM imports'.


However, I seem to be having a problem when using MozBackup with 
Seamonkey - but I'll raise that in another thread.

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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message , hawker 
 writes

On 2/21/2014 11:15 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <5307795a.6090...@asheville-spamtrap-community.org>, hawker
 writes

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:








Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Just an update: So far, no go. I still get the 'incompatible' message. I
might try Paul B. Gallagher suggestion, ie use old version that works
(if I can find one), then transfer e-mail from old version to a new
version.


Glad to hear. Yes I have had some issue before with Windoz editors.
Now is the time to plug my fav text editor TextPad. Free download.
Might help you here.
https://www.textpad.com/index.html


I'll have a look (I'm a sucker for trying freeware).


hmmm. Something not edited correctly then. It should not give you an 
incompatible message.  It may not work but it won't know that.


A re-do seems to work (see my other post) - but I still need see if he 
import function works (after dinner!).


As to Textpad - yes trialware but it never "expires" only nags you to 
purchase after the trial. I think they call it free for personal use.
I have the paid version at work, but only the trial at home and it 
continues to work.


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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message , Ian Jackson 
 writes
In message , Ian Jackson 
 writes
In message <5307795a.6090...@asheville-spamtrap-community.org>, hawker 
 writes

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:








Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Just an update: So far, no go. I still get the 'incompatible' message. 
I might try Paul B. Gallagher suggestion, ie use old version that 
works (if I can find one), then transfer e-mail from old version to a 
new version.



A further update.
I've re-done the editing etc, and this time IET installed OK (I 
presumably got it right). The Tools drop-down menu shows IET, and IET's 
subsequent menus look correct. Next step if to try to import some WLM 
.eml files.

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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread hawker 

On 2/21/2014 11:15 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <5307795a.6090...@asheville-spamtrap-community.org>, hawker
 writes

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:








Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Just an update: So far, no go. I still get the 'incompatible' message. I
might try Paul B. Gallagher suggestion, ie use old version that works
(if I can find one), then transfer e-mail from old version to a new
version.


Glad to hear. Yes I have had some issue before with Windoz editors.
Now is the time to plug my fav text editor TextPad. Free download.
Might help you here.
https://www.textpad.com/index.html


I'll have a look (I'm a sucker for trying freeware).


hmmm. Something not edited correctly then. It should not give you an 
incompatible message.  It may not work but it won't know that.


As to Textpad - yes trialware but it never "expires" only nags you to 
purchase after the trial. I think they call it free for personal use.
I have the paid version at work, but only the trial at home and it 
continues to work.

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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message , Ian Jackson 
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In message <5307795a.6090...@asheville-spamtrap-community.org>, hawker 
 writes

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:








Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Just an update: So far, no go. I still get the 'incompatible' message. 
I might try Paul B. Gallagher suggestion, ie use old version that works 
(if I can find one), then transfer e-mail from old version to a new 
version.


Glad to hear. Yes I have had some issue before with Windoz editors.
Now is the time to plug my fav text editor TextPad. Free download. 
Might help you here.

https://www.textpad.com/index.html


I'll have a look (I'm a sucker for trying freeware).


Ah It's trialware. ;o((
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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message <5307795a.6090...@asheville-spamtrap-community.org>, hawker 
 writes

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:








Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Just an update: So far, no go. I still get the 'incompatible' message. I 
might try Paul B. Gallagher suggestion, ie use old version that works 
(if I can find one), then transfer e-mail from old version to a new 
version.


Glad to hear. Yes I have had some issue before with Windoz editors.
Now is the time to plug my fav text editor TextPad. Free download. 
Might help you here.

https://www.textpad.com/index.html


I'll have a look (I'm a sucker for trying freeware).
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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message , Paul B. 
Gallagher  writes

Ian Jackson wrote:


I'm not quite sure what Tikky is saying here. IET certainly works with
TB (well, version 2.3.3 does) as I've used it to import .mbx emails.
What he says suggests that he actually got ImportExportTools 2.8.0.4
installed OK (for SM), but the export function didn't work. With be, it
won't install, and I get the 'incompatible' message.

However, I then found further references to IET being incompatible with
the latest version of SM, and there's a lot of expert discussion on
modifying install.rdf (which indeed does appear if you do an extract on
the .xpi file). I used Notepad to have a look at it, but it's simply a
short piece of gobbledegook, and looks nothing like what the discussions
indicate. So far I haven't found an idiot's guide to doing the editing,
so hopefully the author of ImportExportTools (Paolo "Kaosmos") will
eventually find the time to do the SM update.


How about this workaround?

Download and install an old version of SM or TB that is compatible (do 
it in a separate location so it doesn't mess with your current 
profile). Use it to import mail from WLM. Close.


Open your new SeaMonkey and tell it to import mail from the older 
SeaMonkey, which should go smoothly as long as the older version is not 
too terribly old. SeaMonkey's mail message and mailbox format hasn't 
changed in a while.


To be extra careful, you might want to create a dummy account in the 
new SM and import to that destination; you can then drag and drop 
folders and messages to their desired destinations and delete the dummy 
account when you're done.


I might try that. So far, my edited version of install.rdf still gives 
the 'incompatible' message.

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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread hawker 

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <8cqdnwftaocphjvonz2dnuvz_vkdn...@mozilla.org>, hawker
 writes

On 2/20/2014 3:57 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , hawker
 writes

On 2/19/2014 11:40 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm new to SeaMonkey (although I've had Thunderbird running for a
couple
of years now as a possible alternative to my long-time mail/news
client,
Demon's now-unsupported 'Turnpike').

I have a friend who's not much made up with his Windows 7 Windows Live
Mail (and I can't say I blame him). I've been recommending that he try
TB as an alternative. However, I've just started trying SM, and as it
seems a bit simpler than TB, I thought I'd suggest that instead.

Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file).
While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM
would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


It sounds like if you could get the .xpi extension to work you would
be golden. There is a good chance it will work but that it just
doesn't list itself as SM compatible.

You can google on how to do this but the short explanation is to
rename .xpi to .zip. Unzip it, edit one of the files in a text editor
(forget which) to show it as SM compatible (it was self explanatory
once I got into it), then rezip and rename.  It will now install.
That, however, doesn't mean it will work but give it a try.


I've been doing some more Googling, and eventually I found the right
selection of search words. It does indeed appear that there is a problem
with ImportExportTools when you try to use it with SM. One of reviews on
the download website

says:
"Please update for SeaMonkey
by Tikky on December 1, 2013
The latest version for SeaMonkey (2.2) can't export mail (it doesn't
create the files). It works with the 2.8.0.4 TB version - but you have
to manually change install.rdf to make it compatible. So for those who
can't/won't make that change, please make an updated seamonkey version
available."

I'm not quite sure what Tikky is saying here. IET certainly works with
TB (well, version 2.3.3 does) as I've used it to import .mbx emails.
What he says suggests that he actually got ImportExportTools 2.8.0.4
installed OK (for SM), but the export function didn't work. With be, it
won't install, and I get the 'incompatible' message.

However, I then found further references to IET being incompatible with
the latest version of SM, and there's a lot of expert discussion on
modifying install.rdf (which indeed does appear if you do an extract on
the .xpi file). I used Notepad to have a look at it, but it's simply a
short piece of gobbledegook, and looks nothing like what the discussions
indicate. So far I haven't found an idiot's guide to doing the editing,
so hopefully the author of ImportExportTools (Paolo "Kaosmos") will
eventually find the time to do the SM update.


It sounds like he is talking about very old versions of TB, SM etc.
I think your going to just need to modify the .rdf file. There is a
section that says versions and you just add the SeaMonkey versions.

If you open install.rdf in a text editor you should see something like
this.

  
   

  {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
  3.0
  15.0.*

   

   
   
 
   {3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}
   2.0
   15.0.*
 
   
 
   

   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   3.0.*
 
   


It may not have the seamonkey part. If not add it in after thunderbird
like this.


   

   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   3.0.*
 


Instead of using Notepad to look at install.rdf, I've just tried
Wordpad. This immediately displayed a nicely laid out text file (similar
to what you indicate above). And yes, there is no mention of SeaMonkey.

Notepad fooled me by only showing three of lines of
not-particularly-intelligible gobbledegook. However, when I copied and
pasted it to a Word document, I realised that there was a lot more of
it, but it simply was going off-screen. If I select 'Format' and pull
the right-hand side in, the text begins to take shape - and it looks
pretty much like what Wordpad shows.

Tomorrow I'll have a further look at the problem, and see if I can
successfully add the SeaMonkey bit. Presumably I'll then need to re-zip
the extracted files, change the extension back to .xpi, and finally see
if an 'install from file' works.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Glad to hear. Yes I have had some issue before with Windoz editors.
Now is the time to plug my fav text e

Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-21 Thread hawker 

On 2/20/2014 7:27 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <8cqdnwftaocphjvonz2dnuvz_vkdn...@mozilla.org>, hawker
 writes

On 2/20/2014 3:57 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , hawker
 writes

On 2/19/2014 11:40 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm new to SeaMonkey (although I've had Thunderbird running for a
couple
of years now as a possible alternative to my long-time mail/news
client,
Demon's now-unsupported 'Turnpike').

I have a friend who's not much made up with his Windows 7 Windows Live
Mail (and I can't say I blame him). I've been recommending that he try
TB as an alternative. However, I've just started trying SM, and as it
seems a bit simpler than TB, I thought I'd suggest that instead.

Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file).
While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM
would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


It sounds like if you could get the .xpi extension to work you would
be golden. There is a good chance it will work but that it just
doesn't list itself as SM compatible.

You can google on how to do this but the short explanation is to
rename .xpi to .zip. Unzip it, edit one of the files in a text editor
(forget which) to show it as SM compatible (it was self explanatory
once I got into it), then rezip and rename.  It will now install.
That, however, doesn't mean it will work but give it a try.


I've been doing some more Googling, and eventually I found the right
selection of search words. It does indeed appear that there is a problem
with ImportExportTools when you try to use it with SM. One of reviews on
the download website

says:
"Please update for SeaMonkey
by Tikky on December 1, 2013
The latest version for SeaMonkey (2.2) can't export mail (it doesn't
create the files). It works with the 2.8.0.4 TB version - but you have
to manually change install.rdf to make it compatible. So for those who
can't/won't make that change, please make an updated seamonkey version
available."

I'm not quite sure what Tikky is saying here. IET certainly works with
TB (well, version 2.3.3 does) as I've used it to import .mbx emails.
What he says suggests that he actually got ImportExportTools 2.8.0.4
installed OK (for SM), but the export function didn't work. With be, it
won't install, and I get the 'incompatible' message.

However, I then found further references to IET being incompatible with
the latest version of SM, and there's a lot of expert discussion on
modifying install.rdf (which indeed does appear if you do an extract on
the .xpi file). I used Notepad to have a look at it, but it's simply a
short piece of gobbledegook, and looks nothing like what the discussions
indicate. So far I haven't found an idiot's guide to doing the editing,
so hopefully the author of ImportExportTools (Paolo "Kaosmos") will
eventually find the time to do the SM update.


It sounds like he is talking about very old versions of TB, SM etc.
I think your going to just need to modify the .rdf file. There is a
section that says versions and you just add the SeaMonkey versions.

If you open install.rdf in a text editor you should see something like
this.

  
   

  {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
  3.0
  15.0.*

   

   
   
 
   {3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}
   2.0
   15.0.*
 
   
 
   

   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   3.0.*
 
   


It may not have the seamonkey part. If not add it in after thunderbird
like this.


   

   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   3.0.*
 


Instead of using Notepad to look at install.rdf, I've just tried
Wordpad. This immediately displayed a nicely laid out text file (similar
to what you indicate above). And yes, there is no mention of SeaMonkey.

Notepad fooled me by only showing three of lines of
not-particularly-intelligible gobbledegook. However, when I copied and
pasted it to a Word document, I realised that there was a lot more of
it, but it simply was going off-screen. If I select 'Format' and pull
the right-hand side in, the text begins to take shape - and it looks
pretty much like what Wordpad shows.

Tomorrow I'll have a further look at the problem, and see if I can
successfully add the SeaMonkey bit. Presumably I'll then need to re-zip
the extracted files, change the extension back to .xpi, and finally see
if an 'install from file' works.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was
successful.


Glad to hear. Yes I have had some issue before with Windoz editors.
Now is the time to plug my fav text e

Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-20 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message <8cqdnwftaocphjvonz2dnuvz_vkdn...@mozilla.org>, hawker 
 writes

On 2/20/2014 3:57 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , hawker
 writes

On 2/19/2014 11:40 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm new to SeaMonkey (although I've had Thunderbird running for a couple
of years now as a possible alternative to my long-time mail/news client,
Demon's now-unsupported 'Turnpike').

I have a friend who's not much made up with his Windows 7 Windows Live
Mail (and I can't say I blame him). I've been recommending that he try
TB as an alternative. However, I've just started trying SM, and as it
seems a bit simpler than TB, I thought I'd suggest that instead.

Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file). While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


It sounds like if you could get the .xpi extension to work you would
be golden. There is a good chance it will work but that it just
doesn't list itself as SM compatible.

You can google on how to do this but the short explanation is to
rename .xpi to .zip. Unzip it, edit one of the files in a text editor
(forget which) to show it as SM compatible (it was self explanatory
once I got into it), then rezip and rename.  It will now install.
That, however, doesn't mean it will work but give it a try.


I've been doing some more Googling, and eventually I found the right
selection of search words. It does indeed appear that there is a problem
with ImportExportTools when you try to use it with SM. One of reviews on
the download website

says:
"Please update for SeaMonkey
by Tikky on December 1, 2013
The latest version for SeaMonkey (2.2) can't export mail (it doesn't
create the files). It works with the 2.8.0.4 TB version - but you have
to manually change install.rdf to make it compatible. So for those who
can't/won't make that change, please make an updated seamonkey version
available."

I'm not quite sure what Tikky is saying here. IET certainly works with
TB (well, version 2.3.3 does) as I've used it to import .mbx emails.
What he says suggests that he actually got ImportExportTools 2.8.0.4
installed OK (for SM), but the export function didn't work. With be, it
won't install, and I get the 'incompatible' message.

However, I then found further references to IET being incompatible with
the latest version of SM, and there's a lot of expert discussion on
modifying install.rdf (which indeed does appear if you do an extract on
the .xpi file). I used Notepad to have a look at it, but it's simply a
short piece of gobbledegook, and looks nothing like what the discussions
indicate. So far I haven't found an idiot's guide to doing the editing,
so hopefully the author of ImportExportTools (Paolo "Kaosmos") will
eventually find the time to do the SM update.


It sounds like he is talking about very old versions of TB, SM etc.
I think your going to just need to modify the .rdf file. There is a 
section that says versions and you just add the SeaMonkey versions.


If you open install.rdf in a text editor you should see something like this.

  
   

  {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
  3.0
  15.0.*

   

   
   
 
   {3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}
   2.0
   15.0.*
 
   
 
   

   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   3.0.*
 
   


It may not have the seamonkey part. If not add it in after thunderbird 
like this.



   

   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   3.0.*
 

Instead of using Notepad to look at install.rdf, I've just tried 
Wordpad. This immediately displayed a nicely laid out text file (similar 
to what you indicate above). And yes, there is no mention of SeaMonkey.


Notepad fooled me by only showing three of lines of 
not-particularly-intelligible gobbledegook. However, when I copied and 
pasted it to a Word document, I realised that there was a lot more of 
it, but it simply was going off-screen. If I select 'Format' and pull 
the right-hand side in, the text begins to take shape - and it looks 
pretty much like what Wordpad shows.


Tomorrow I'll have a further look at the problem, and see if I can 
successfully add the SeaMonkey bit. Presumably I'll then need to re-zip 
the extracted files, change the extension back to .xpi, and finally see 
if an 'install from file' works.


Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll report back as to whether it was 
successful.

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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-20 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Ian Jackson wrote:


I'm not quite sure what Tikky is saying here. IET certainly works with
TB (well, version 2.3.3 does) as I've used it to import .mbx emails.
What he says suggests that he actually got ImportExportTools 2.8.0.4
installed OK (for SM), but the export function didn't work. With be, it
won't install, and I get the 'incompatible' message.

However, I then found further references to IET being incompatible with
the latest version of SM, and there's a lot of expert discussion on
modifying install.rdf (which indeed does appear if you do an extract on
the .xpi file). I used Notepad to have a look at it, but it's simply a
short piece of gobbledegook, and looks nothing like what the discussions
indicate. So far I haven't found an idiot's guide to doing the editing,
so hopefully the author of ImportExportTools (Paolo "Kaosmos") will
eventually find the time to do the SM update.


How about this workaround?

Download and install an old version of SM or TB that is compatible (do 
it in a separate location so it doesn't mess with your current profile). 
Use it to import mail from WLM. Close.


Open your new SeaMonkey and tell it to import mail from the older 
SeaMonkey, which should go smoothly as long as the older version is not 
too terribly old. SeaMonkey's mail message and mailbox format hasn't 
changed in a while.


To be extra careful, you might want to create a dummy account in the new 
SM and import to that destination; you can then drag and drop folders 
and messages to their desired destinations and delete the dummy account 
when you're done.


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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-20 Thread hawker 

On 2/20/2014 3:57 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , hawker
 writes

On 2/19/2014 11:40 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm new to SeaMonkey (although I've had Thunderbird running for a couple
of years now as a possible alternative to my long-time mail/news client,
Demon's now-unsupported 'Turnpike').

I have a friend who's not much made up with his Windows 7 Windows Live
Mail (and I can't say I blame him). I've been recommending that he try
TB as an alternative. However, I've just started trying SM, and as it
seems a bit simpler than TB, I thought I'd suggest that instead.

Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file). While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


It sounds like if you could get the .xpi extension to work you would
be golden. There is a good chance it will work but that it just
doesn't list itself as SM compatible.

You can google on how to do this but the short explanation is to
rename .xpi to .zip. Unzip it, edit one of the files in a text editor
(forget which) to show it as SM compatible (it was self explanatory
once I got into it), then rezip and rename.  It will now install.
That, however, doesn't mean it will work but give it a try.


I've been doing some more Googling, and eventually I found the right
selection of search words. It does indeed appear that there is a problem
with ImportExportTools when you try to use it with SM. One of reviews on
the download website

says:
"Please update for SeaMonkey
by Tikky on December 1, 2013
The latest version for SeaMonkey (2.2) can't export mail (it doesn't
create the files). It works with the 2.8.0.4 TB version - but you have
to manually change install.rdf to make it compatible. So for those who
can't/won't make that change, please make an updated seamonkey version
available."

I'm not quite sure what Tikky is saying here. IET certainly works with
TB (well, version 2.3.3 does) as I've used it to import .mbx emails.
What he says suggests that he actually got ImportExportTools 2.8.0.4
installed OK (for SM), but the export function didn't work. With be, it
won't install, and I get the 'incompatible' message.

However, I then found further references to IET being incompatible with
the latest version of SM, and there's a lot of expert discussion on
modifying install.rdf (which indeed does appear if you do an extract on
the .xpi file). I used Notepad to have a look at it, but it's simply a
short piece of gobbledegook, and looks nothing like what the discussions
indicate. So far I haven't found an idiot's guide to doing the editing,
so hopefully the author of ImportExportTools (Paolo "Kaosmos") will
eventually find the time to do the SM update.


It sounds like he is talking about very old versions of TB, SM etc.
I think your going to just need to modify the .rdf file. There is a 
section that says versions and you just add the SeaMonkey versions.


If you open install.rdf in a text editor you should see something like this.

   

 
   {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
   3.0
   15.0.*
 




  
{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}
2.0
15.0.*
  

  

  
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
2.0
3.0.*
  



It may not have the seamonkey part. If not add it in after thunderbird 
like this.




  
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
2.0
3.0.*
  


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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-20 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message , hawker 
 writes

On 2/19/2014 11:40 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm new to SeaMonkey (although I've had Thunderbird running for a couple
of years now as a possible alternative to my long-time mail/news client,
Demon's now-unsupported 'Turnpike').

I have a friend who's not much made up with his Windows 7 Windows Live
Mail (and I can't say I blame him). I've been recommending that he try
TB as an alternative. However, I've just started trying SM, and as it
seems a bit simpler than TB, I thought I'd suggest that instead.

Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file). While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


It sounds like if you could get the .xpi extension to work you would be 
golden. There is a good chance it will work but that it just doesn't 
list itself as SM compatible.


You can google on how to do this but the short explanation is to rename 
.xpi to .zip. Unzip it, edit one of the files in a text editor (forget 
which) to show it as SM compatible (it was self explanatory once I got 
into it), then rezip and rename.  It will now install. That, however, 
doesn't mean it will work but give it a try.


I've been doing some more Googling, and eventually I found the right 
selection of search words. It does indeed appear that there is a problem 
with ImportExportTools when you try to use it with SM. One of reviews on 
the download website


says:
"Please update for SeaMonkey
by Tikky on December 1, 2013
The latest version for SeaMonkey (2.2) can't export mail (it doesn't 
create the files). It works with the 2.8.0.4 TB version - but you have 
to manually change install.rdf to make it compatible. So for those who 
can't/won't make that change, please make an updated seamonkey version 
available."


I'm not quite sure what Tikky is saying here. IET certainly works with 
TB (well, version 2.3.3 does) as I've used it to import .mbx emails. 
What he says suggests that he actually got ImportExportTools 2.8.0.4 
installed OK (for SM), but the export function didn't work. With be, it 
won't install, and I get the 'incompatible' message.


However, I then found further references to IET being incompatible with 
the latest version of SM, and there's a lot of expert discussion on 
modifying install.rdf (which indeed does appear if you do an extract on 
the .xpi file). I used Notepad to have a look at it, but it's simply a 
short piece of gobbledegook, and looks nothing like what the discussions 
indicate. So far I haven't found an idiot's guide to doing the editing, 
so hopefully the author of ImportExportTools (Paolo "Kaosmos") will 
eventually find the time to do the SM update.

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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-20 Thread Ian Jackson 
In message <47sdnzi8u_ru25vonz2dnuvz_o-dn...@mozilla.org>, Ray Davison 
 writes

Ian Jackson wrote:


Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file). While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


So, you are able to get TB to import from WLM?  Are you aware that SM 
and TB can share mail/news files?


I was actually importing .mbx files, but I'm pretty sure that .eml was 
also supported.


 I have my mail/news files in a neutral location, outside the profile, 
on a data partition, and TB and SM both use them.  No, not at the same 
time.


But how do you get SM to recognise the WLM's .eml files? Without IET, TB 
and SM can only import .mbx* (Eudora etc), .msg (Outlook) and .dbx 
(Outlook Express). Of course, a tedious solution would be to convert 
WLM's .eml files into one of these formats, and I'm presently looking at 
it.
* Although TB and SM can import .mbx files, I know I had to use IET when 
I did my .mbx imports. I can't immediately recall why!






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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-20 Thread hawker 

On 2/19/2014 11:40 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm new to SeaMonkey (although I've had Thunderbird running for a couple
of years now as a possible alternative to my long-time mail/news client,
Demon's now-unsupported 'Turnpike').

I have a friend who's not much made up with his Windows 7 Windows Live
Mail (and I can't say I blame him). I've been recommending that he try
TB as an alternative. However, I've just started trying SM, and as it
seems a bit simpler than TB, I thought I'd suggest that instead.

Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file). While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


It sounds like if you could get the .xpi extension to work you would be 
golden. There is a good chance it will work but that it just doesn't 
list itself as SM compatible.


You can google on how to do this but the short explanation is to rename 
.xpi to .zip. Unzip it, edit one of the files in a text editor (forget 
which) to show it as SM compatible (it was self explanatory once I got 
into it), then rezip and rename.  It will now install. That, however, 
doesn't mean it will work but give it a try.



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Re: Importing Windows Live Mail into SM?

2014-02-20 Thread Ray Davison 

Ian Jackson wrote:


Unfortunately, SM's 'Tools', 'Import' can't import WLM .eml e-mails
directly. Unlike Thunderbird, the ImportExportTools extension (both
versions 2.7.2.2 and 2.8.0.4) is incompatible with SM V2.24 (well,
that's what I get when I try to install the .xpi file from file). While
the .eml files could probably be converted into something that SM would
accept, things are starting to get a bit complicated.

So my question is whether anyone has any recommendations for a simple
WLM-to-SM transfer?


So, you are able to get TB to import from WLM?  Are you aware that SM 
and TB can share mail/news files?  I have my mail/news files in a 
neutral location, outside the profile, on a data partition, and TB and 
SM both use them.  No, not at the same time.


Ray


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