Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-05-04 Thread WaltS

Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes


Just now updated from the openSUSE update repo. They say they had 
problems building it.


Only 10 days left before the expected release of SeaMonkey 2.18.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-20 Thread Ant

On 4/18/2013 10:37 AM PT, A Williams typed:


http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes


Still waiting for SeaMonkey 2.17 from the update repo for openSUSE.

I do have 2.17 installed manually.


ditto: I'm hoping it'll be in Debian repo (or Ubuntu)


I thought the reason for this update was a Windows-only bug.  At least
that was the reason Firefox released their incremental update.


Fixes in 2.17.1

UNC path handling issues were fixed on Windows (bug 846848).
SPNEGO/MS KRB5 had stopped working; NTLM SSP was tried instead (bug 
857291).

Click-to-play no longer respected per-site permissions (bug 854867).

I think the first issue is only for Windows like Firefox's v20.0.1. My 
Debian/Linux got v2.17.1 update as well.

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-20 Thread Rufus

Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-04-19 23:54 (GMT-0700) Rufus composed:


the directory (folder) name that the userChrome.css file is in is
lower case by/as default.


Not all SM profiles get or got that directory created by default.
Considering how many times I've seen it spelled Chrome in help threads
it made sense to mention it as a possibility, as it didn't register in
my brain that you wrote you had another declaration that was working. :-p

Sometimes when something in userChrome.css doesn't work it's a
theme-dependent problem. Are you using whatever theme is default on Mac?
Have you taken a look to see how far your attempts get using Domi?


I'm using the SM Modern Theme, but given that I'm trying to alter a 
basic Menu display/listing content I should think that would be Theme 
independent.


I could see the reverse of what I'm seeing being possible, as I'm 
altering the Sidebar display/interface with the foregoing code.  I've 
now tried two different code suggestions to remove the Unsorted 
Bookmarks from the Menu and neither one works.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-20 Thread Felix Miata

On 2013-04-19 23:54 (GMT-0700) Rufus composed:


the directory (folder) name that the userChrome.css file is in is
lower case by/as default.


Not all SM profiles get or got that directory created by default. Considering 
how many times I've seen it spelled Chrome in help threads it made sense to 
mention it as a possibility, as it didn't register in my brain that you wrote 
you had another declaration that was working. :-p


Sometimes when something in userChrome.css doesn't work it's a 
theme-dependent problem. Are you using whatever theme is default on Mac? Have 
you taken a look to see how far your attempts get using Domi?

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Rufus

Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-04-19 16:28 (GMT-0700) Rufus composed:


It validates, but does not work.  So...


Try renaming the directory

 Chrome

to

 chrome

All Windows native filesystems I've worked with are case insensitive, so
both are interchangeable there. Linux native, and I think also Mac
native, filesystems are case sensitive, so only lower works, at least
here on Linux for userContent.css in FF rv20.0.


I'm on a Mac, and seeing as the part of the code that changes the 
Sidebar Scroll width works, but the part of the code that should get rid 
of Unsorted Bookmarks doesn't, and they are each contained in the same 
file, I doubt that's it.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Rufus

Rufus wrote:

Felix Miata wrote:

On 2013-04-19 16:28 (GMT-0700) Rufus composed:


It validates, but does not work.  So...


Try renaming the directory

 Chrome

to

 chrome

All Windows native filesystems I've worked with are case insensitive, so
both are interchangeable there. Linux native, and I think also Mac
native, filesystems are case sensitive, so only lower works, at least
here on Linux for userContent.css in FF rv20.0.


I'm on a Mac, and seeing as the part of the code that changes the
Sidebar Scroll width works, but the part of the code that should get rid
of Unsorted Bookmarks doesn't, and they are each contained in the same
file, I doubt that's it.



...and the directory (folder) name that the userChrome.css file is in is 
lower case by/as default.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Felix Miata

On 2013-04-19 16:28 (GMT-0700) Rufus composed:


It validates, but does not work.  So...


Try renaming the directory

Chrome

to

chrome

All Windows native filesystems I've worked with are case insensitive, so both 
are interchangeable there. Linux native, and I think also Mac native, 
filesystems are case sensitive, so only lower works, at least here on Linux 
for userContent.css in FF rv20.0.

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Rufus

Hartmut Figge wrote:

»Q«:

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:37:13 -0700
Rufus  wrote:



Still puzzles me that I can have one fix/addition working and another
one doesn't.


There are too many possibilities for me to hazard a guess;  there's no
way to troubleshoot a css file without seeing it.  In case there's a
syntax problem somewhere, running the file through w3c's css validator
might provide clues for you.


Nice way of testing. :)
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/va130415.png

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...ok, I had to fish, but I found the site and pasted this from my 
userChrome.css into it -


@namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); /* 
set default namespace to XUL */


scrollbarbutton {
   width: 15px;
   height: 10px;
   max-width: 20px;
   max-height: 10px;
   background-size: contain;
}

slider {
   background-size: contain;
}

thumb {
   background-size: contain;
}

menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]

{

display: none !important;

}


It validates, but does not work.  So...

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Rufus

»Q« wrote:

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:37:13 -0700
Rufus  wrote:


Peter Nieman wrote:

On 18/04/13 20:51, Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Peter Nieman wrote:

On 18/04/13 02:55, Rufus wrote:

I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow
scroll bar in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't
been able to get the recently posted one to remove unwanted
Bookmarks Menu entries to do
anything at all.


The following in userChrome.css eventually worked for me:

menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"],
menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]
{
display: none !important;
}

Doesn't remove the superfluous separator, though.

pn


Thanks - I'll try this, but omitting the removal of the Bookmarks
Toolbar - I use that but try and hold it to half a dozen or so
entries. Retaining the separator will be ok for me in that case.



no joy...didn't work.  Could that be because my Unsorted
Bookmarks are empty, or that I placed it at the wrong point in my
userChome.css?



I doubt that that could be the cause. My Unsorted Bookmarks are
empty too. Maybe it only works on Linux?

By the way, I have these lines at the top of my userChrome.css
(without the line breaks):

/*
   * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning
   */
@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); /*
set default namespace to XUL */



I have the same.


That's the way it should be.


Still puzzles me that I can have one fix/addition working and another
one doesn't.


There are too many possibilities for me to hazard a guess;  there's no
way to troubleshoot a css file without seeing it.  In case there's a
syntax problem somewhere, running the file through w3c's css validator
might provide clues for you.



Here's what it looks like, minus the comment lines -

@namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); /* 
set default namespace to XUL */


scrollbarbutton {
   width: 15px;
   height: 10px;
   max-width: 20px;
   max-height: 10px;
   background-size: contain;
}

slider {
   background-size: contain;
}

thumb {
   background-size: contain;
}

menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]

{

display: none !important;

}



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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Hartmut Figge
»Q«:
>On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:37:13 -0700
>Rufus  wrote:

>> Still puzzles me that I can have one fix/addition working and another 
>> one doesn't.
>
>There are too many possibilities for me to hazard a guess;  there's no
>way to troubleshoot a css file without seeing it.  In case there's a
>syntax problem somewhere, running the file through w3c's css validator
>might provide clues for you.

Nice way of testing. :)
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/va130415.png

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread »Q«
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:37:13 -0700
Rufus  wrote:

> Peter Nieman wrote:
> > On 18/04/13 20:51, Rufus wrote:
> >> Rufus wrote:
> >>> Peter Nieman wrote:
>  On 18/04/13 02:55, Rufus wrote:
> > I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow
> > scroll bar in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't
> > been able to get the recently posted one to remove unwanted
> > Bookmarks Menu entries to do
> > anything at all.
> 
>  The following in userChrome.css eventually worked for me:
> 
>  menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"],
>  menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]
>  {
>  display: none !important;
>  }
> 
>  Doesn't remove the superfluous separator, though.
> 
>  pn
> >>>
> >>> Thanks - I'll try this, but omitting the removal of the Bookmarks
> >>> Toolbar - I use that but try and hold it to half a dozen or so
> >>> entries. Retaining the separator will be ok for me in that case.
> >>>
> >>
> >> no joy...didn't work.  Could that be because my Unsorted
> >> Bookmarks are empty, or that I placed it at the wrong point in my
> >> userChome.css?
> >>
> >
> > I doubt that that could be the cause. My Unsorted Bookmarks are
> > empty too. Maybe it only works on Linux?
> >
> > By the way, I have these lines at the top of my userChrome.css
> > (without the line breaks):
> >
> > /*
> >   * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
> > functioning
> >   */
> > @namespace
> > url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); /*
> > set default namespace to XUL */
> >
> 
> I have the same.

That's the way it should be.
 
> Still puzzles me that I can have one fix/addition working and another 
> one doesn't.

There are too many possibilities for me to hazard a guess;  there's no
way to troubleshoot a css file without seeing it.  In case there's a
syntax problem somewhere, running the file through w3c's css validator
might provide clues for you.
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Rufus

Peter Nieman wrote:

On 18/04/13 20:51, Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Peter Nieman wrote:

On 18/04/13 02:55, Rufus wrote:

I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow scroll bar
in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't been able to get
the recently posted one to remove unwanted Bookmarks Menu entries
to do
anything at all.


The following in userChrome.css eventually worked for me:

menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"],
menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]
{
display: none !important;
}

Doesn't remove the superfluous separator, though.

pn


Thanks - I'll try this, but omitting the removal of the Bookmarks
Toolbar - I use that but try and hold it to half a dozen or so entries.
  Retaining the separator will be ok for me in that case.



no joy...didn't work.  Could that be because my Unsorted Bookmarks
are empty, or that I placed it at the wrong point in my userChome.css?



I doubt that that could be the cause. My Unsorted Bookmarks are empty
too. Maybe it only works on Linux?

By the way, I have these lines at the top of my userChrome.css (without
the line breaks):

/*
  * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning
  */
@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); /*
set default namespace to XUL */



I have the same.

Still puzzles me that I can have one fix/addition working and another 
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-19 Thread Peter Nieman

On 18/04/13 20:51, Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Peter Nieman wrote:

On 18/04/13 02:55, Rufus wrote:

I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow scroll bar
in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't been able to get
the recently posted one to remove unwanted Bookmarks Menu entries to do
anything at all.


The following in userChrome.css eventually worked for me:

menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"],
menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]
{
display: none !important;
}

Doesn't remove the superfluous separator, though.

pn


Thanks - I'll try this, but omitting the removal of the Bookmarks
Toolbar - I use that but try and hold it to half a dozen or so entries.
  Retaining the separator will be ok for me in that case.



no joy...didn't work.  Could that be because my Unsorted Bookmarks
are empty, or that I placed it at the wrong point in my userChome.css?



I doubt that that could be the cause. My Unsorted Bookmarks are empty 
too. Maybe it only works on Linux?


By the way, I have these lines at the top of my userChrome.css (without 
the line breaks):


/*
 * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct 
functioning

 */
@namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); /* 
set default namespace to XUL */


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-18 Thread Rufus

Rufus wrote:

Peter Nieman wrote:

On 18/04/13 02:55, Rufus wrote:

I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow scroll bar
in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't been able to get
the recently posted one to remove unwanted Bookmarks Menu entries to do
anything at all.


The following in userChrome.css eventually worked for me:

menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"],
menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]
{
display: none !important;
}

Doesn't remove the superfluous separator, though.

pn


Thanks - I'll try this, but omitting the removal of the Bookmarks
Toolbar - I use that but try and hold it to half a dozen or so entries.
  Retaining the separator will be ok for me in that case.



...no joy...didn't work.  Could that be because my Unsorted Bookmarks 
are empty, or that I placed it at the wrong point in my userChome.css?


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-18 Thread Rufus

Peter Nieman wrote:

On 18/04/13 02:55, Rufus wrote:

I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow scroll bar
in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't been able to get
the recently posted one to remove unwanted Bookmarks Menu entries to do
anything at all.


The following in userChrome.css eventually worked for me:

menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"],
menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]
{
display: none !important;
}

Doesn't remove the superfluous separator, though.

pn


Thanks - I'll try this, but omitting the removal of the Bookmarks 
Toolbar - I use that but try and hold it to half a dozen or so entries. 
 Retaining the separator will be ok for me in that case.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-18 Thread A Williams

Gerry wrote:

WaltS wrote:

On 04/14/2013 02:35 PM, Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes



Still waiting for SeaMonkey 2.17 from the update repo for openSUSE.

I do have 2.17 installed manually.


  ditto: I'm hoping it'll be in Debian repo (or Ubuntu)


I thought the reason for this update was a Windows-only bug.  At least 
that was the reason Firefox released their incremental update.

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-18 Thread Peter Nieman

On 18/04/13 02:55, Rufus wrote:

I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow scroll bar
in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't been able to get
the recently posted one to remove unwanted Bookmarks Menu entries to do
anything at all.


The following in userChrome.css eventually worked for me:

menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"],
menu[label="Unsorted Bookmarks"]
{
display: none !important;
}

Doesn't remove the superfluous separator, though.

pn
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-17 Thread Rufus

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Rufus wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes

...yawn.

You need more sleep, I can tell.

...true, and if things continue the way they are I'll be getting
it...uninterrupted.


But isn't it better that they are concentrating on standards compliance,
bug fixing and security, as opposed to silly new "features"?



from this users standpoint, I never understand the security fixes, I
keep reading here about problems that are /not/ fixed, and my only judge
for standards compliance is html5test.com which shows Chrome and Maxthon
are kicking our ass.


That means nothing to me because I have very seldom if ever navigated to 
a site which fails in SM...with the Mac versions, anyway.  And in those 
cases I've since learned to use spoofing to make those sites work. 
Granted, I shouldn't have to.




It feels like my favorite team is losing...but I don't wanna learn how
to use something new, I like running just one piece of software for web
and mail, and I enjoy the thought that we are all trying to help even if
we/I have zero ing clue how to actually read/write XUL or any
scripting languages.  I even stopped keeping up with HTML cuz none of
the money making entities seem to care.  The Google home page has 23
errors, e.g.and it should be the SIMPLEST page on the Web.



I use SM for those reasons too, but when SM breaks something that it 
supposedly offers/features that fix should have *top* priority, and this 
is a considerable reason for "losing", IMO - quality control.  People 
(especially non-savy people) use what they use because it does what they 
want it to do, when they want it to do it.  It's really that simple.


There are enough basic interface problems in SM at present - not being 
able to use the Profile Manager, the annoying random Master Password 
bug, not following on-disk Alias/HTML paths, short drawn drop-downs, 
ignoring Master Password Pref setting - that I refuse to update any but 
my *least* used machine past 2.13.2; and all that does for me is work 
around the short drop-downs (which are compounded by the foregoing).


And that's just the short list of user issues from the Mac POV...


An why isn't there a giant list somewhere of all the userchrome.css
tricks possible that work?  Beyond C&P I am lost at modifying that. I've
googled for hours over the years on that.
GW



Here's a few userChrome.css refs:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/CSS_Reference

http://www-archive.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html

http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserChrome.css&printable=yes


I've gotten one .css mod to work for me - fixing the narrow scroll bar 
in the Sidebar.  That's working great, but I haven't been able to get 
the recently posted one to remove unwanted Bookmarks Menu entries to do 
anything at all.


And this partly sums up what I'm getting at...you (and I) shouldn't have 
to do anything like this, nor fiddle with about:config, to make SM work 
- the software should just plain work for the user.  Most of us are 
geeks here and put up with this stuff, but the majority of people aren't 
geeks and won't - and *that's* what's kicking SM's butt, and why people 
are using other software.  I myself have postulated that if I could get 
Thunderbird and Safari to work as a suite that I would switch to that 
combination - the two seem almost bug-free in comparison from a UE/UI 
standpoint.


Most of the time I feel like actual user desires/input/feedback gets 
ignored for the "shiny" stuff - like those stupid too-small dialog 
buttons (that even a seeming majority of the team fought against)...it's 
like users are not even allowed to "help" even as little as we can.  SM 
just rolls on, on whatever course somebody somewhere has charted.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-17 Thread Geoff Welsh

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Rufus wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes

...yawn.

You need more sleep, I can tell.

...true, and if things continue the way they are I'll be getting
it...uninterrupted.


But isn't it better that they are concentrating on standards compliance,
bug fixing and security, as opposed to silly new "features"?



from this users standpoint, I never understand the security fixes, I 
keep reading here about problems that are /not/ fixed, and my only judge 
for standards compliance is html5test.com which shows Chrome and Maxthon 
are kicking our ass.


It feels like my favorite team is losing...but I don't wanna learn how 
to use something new, I like running just one piece of software for web 
and mail, and I enjoy the thought that we are all trying to help even if 
we/I have zero ing clue how to actually read/write XUL or any 
scripting languages.  I even stopped keeping up with HTML cuz none of 
the money making entities seem to care.  The Google home page has 23 
errors, e.g.and it should be the SIMPLEST page on the Web.


An why isn't there a giant list somewhere of all the userchrome.css 
tricks possible that work?  Beyond C&P I am lost at modifying that. 
I've googled for hours over the years on that.

GW

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-17 Thread Rufus

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Rufus wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes

...yawn.

You need more sleep, I can tell.

...true, and if things continue the way they are I'll be getting
it...uninterrupted.


But isn't it better that they are concentrating on standards compliance,
bug fixing and security, as opposed to silly new "features"?




I'd prefer to see them fix silly *old* features that the user can 
actually *see*...and include the other stuff as gravy.  Instead of the 
other way around.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-17 Thread Gerry Hickman

Rufus wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes

...yawn.

You need more sleep, I can tell.

...true, and if things continue the way they are I'll be getting
it...uninterrupted.


But isn't it better that they are concentrating on standards compliance, 
bug fixing and security, as opposed to silly new "features"?



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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-16 Thread Rufus

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:14:26 -0700, Rufus wrote:

Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes


...yawn.


You need more sleep, I can tell.

Phil



...true, and if things continue the way they are I'll be getting 
it...uninterrupted.


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-15 Thread Philip Chee
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:14:26 -0700, Rufus wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes
> 
> ...yawn.

You need more sleep, I can tell.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-15 Thread Rufus

Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes


...yawn.

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-15 Thread Gerry

WaltS wrote:

On 04/14/2013 02:35 PM, Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes



Still waiting for SeaMonkey 2.17 from the update repo for openSUSE.

I do have 2.17 installed manually.


 ditto: I'm hoping it'll be in Debian repo (or Ubuntu)
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-15 Thread Ant

On 4/15/2013 12:52 AM PT, Pugilares typed:


Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes


The hourglass cursor is still there...


It didn't say it was fixed. :P
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-15 Thread Pugilares

Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes


The hourglass cursor is still there...
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.17.1 is out.

2013-04-14 Thread WaltS

On 04/14/2013 02:35 PM, Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.17/changes



Still waiting for SeaMonkey 2.17 from the update repo for openSUSE.

I do have 2.17 installed manually.

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