Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 25/06/2011 11:53, Bill Davidsen told the world:

> I somehow got 2.4a1 when I installed on a machine (think there was no linux 
> 64bit built for 2.1 or some such. Seems to work okay, although the usual BS 
> about "not compatible" on everything is getting old fast with everything 
> >2.0. 
> Sure would be nice to be able to disable the check instead of hacking files, 
> or 
> being told that the theme actually being used has been disabled. Is that 
> required by law or something, nag to CYA?

Just install the Add-on Compatibility Reporter extension.

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Bill Davidsen]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

May i say that the migration from 1.x can be done in every 2.x version ?


Only if you have a crystal ball. ;-)

More seriously, you can migrate from 1.x to 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2. For any
version beyond that, it is quite likely but otherwise unknown.

I somehow got 2.4a1 when I installed on a machine (think there was no linux 
64bit built for 2.1 or some such. Seems to work okay, although the usual BS 
about "not compatible" on everything is getting old fast with everything >2.0. 
Sure would be nice to be able to disable the check instead of hacking files, or 
being told that the theme actually being used has been disabled. Is that 
required by law or something, nag to CYA?


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 23/06/2011 21:56, WLS told the world:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> Ray_Net schrieb:
 But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...
>>>
>>> A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting
>>> all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.
>>>
>> Perhaps i have not explained correctly - The question is not for
>> backporting ... the question is just why do you change major versions so
>> often ?
> 
> "Mozilla plans to switch to more frequent Firefox releases in order to 
> provide frequent improvements to users, without disrupting longer term 
> work."
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease#Overview


Let me elaborate a little...

Think it this way: the traditional development model is like writing a
book -- you take your time, do your research, assemble all the elements
and attempt to launch a coherent package. It's done when it's done. Each
major version will make bring all the changes together.

The Chrome-style rapid development is more like publishing a magazine,
or a newspaper. You have regular release dates, and you go "do we have
anything for this release?" If a feature is stable enough, you release
it, even if it would still benefit from more tinkering. Next release,
you improve it. So the feature launches are kinda staggered, instead of
being released all at once.

The rapid-release train essentially does away with the distinction
between major and minor versions (it's somewhat in the middle), and
reduces the importance of maintenance releases (Chrome does do bugfix
releases, but the new major version arrives pretty soon, so many people
don't even notice the maintenance releases).

The good thing about the rapid-release train is that the features that
are ready are released to the users sooner, since they don't have to
wait for other features.

The bad thing...? Well, the system doesn't lend itself well for major
reworkings. It would be impossible to do Seamonkey 2 in a rapid-release
train, I think -- for a long time, Seamonkey would be unusable, because
the XPFE features no longer worked and the Toolkit replacements weren't
ready. I think the Firefox people did right by waiting for Firefox 4
(which was a major redesign of the UI, and some of the innards) before
switching to rapid-release.


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Rick Merrill]

Ray_Net wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do
with this list(except informational)


The d/l history can be handy if you have retained the files because it
provides a concise list from which to launch or access the files.


ok, but it would be very handy if you can use it to re-download it
again, i case when you change your mind, just after deleting the
downloaded file.


But that often, but not always, requires authorization at/by the web site
from which the download was made.


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do
with this list(except informational)


The d/l history can be handy if you have retained the files because it
provides a concise list from which to launch or access the files.

ok, but it would be very handy if you can use it to re-download it 
again, i case when you change your mind, just after deleting the 
downloaded file.

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Rick Merrill]

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do
with this list(except informational)


The d/l history can be handy if you have retained the files because it provides a 
concise list from which to launch or access the files.


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Jens Hatlak]

Ray_Net wrote:

May i say that the migration from 1.x can be done in every 2.x version ?


Only if you have a crystal ball. ;-)

More seriously, you can migrate from 1.x to 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2. For any 
version beyond that, it is quite likely but otherwise unknown.


HTH

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do 
with this list(except informational)


That's what i have understood reading this newsgroup ... may be i am wrong.
May i say that the migration from 1.x can be done in every 2.x version ?
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Jens Hatlak]

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your 
download history.


HTH

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 23/06/2011 18:32, Ray_Net told the world:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ray_Net schrieb:

But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...


A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting
all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.


Perhaps i have not explained correctly - The question is not for
backporting ... the question is just why do you change major versions so
often ?


"So often?" Seamonkey 1.x was essentially the same as Mozilla
Application Suite 1.x -- that is, we had four years (98-2002) of Mozilla
as a beta, plus four years (2002-2006) of Mozilla as a shipping product,
PLUS three years of Seamonkey 1.x. That's *seven* years (counting only
released products) with essentially the same product, making internal
improvements but no major changes.

Seamonkey 2 was released almost two years ago, and it was a major change
-- from the old framework to the new toolkit, for starters. Seamonkey
2.1 was launched now, and it's technically considered a MINOR version,
not a major version -- it essentially finished the transition job which
began with the 2.0 release. Even if it you want to call it a major
version (which it isn't), two years is a long, long time as browser
versions go.


I had named major version 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, etc
mainly because per exemple migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 
2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 
2.0 instead of migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x

and the delay between 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2 is very short.
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[WLS]

Ray_Net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ray_Net schrieb:

But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...


A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting
all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.


Perhaps i have not explained correctly - The question is not for
backporting ... the question is just why do you change major versions so
often ?


"Mozilla plans to switch to more frequent Firefox releases in order to 
provide frequent improvements to users, without disrupting longer term 
work."


https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease#Overview
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 23/06/2011 18:32, Ray_Net told the world:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> Ray_Net schrieb:
>>> But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...
>>
>> A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting
>> all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.
>>
> Perhaps i have not explained correctly - The question is not for 
> backporting ... the question is just why do you change major versions so 
> often ?

"So often?" Seamonkey 1.x was essentially the same as Mozilla
Application Suite 1.x -- that is, we had four years (98-2002) of Mozilla
as a beta, plus four years (2002-2006) of Mozilla as a shipping product,
PLUS three years of Seamonkey 1.x. That's *seven* years (counting only
released products) with essentially the same product, making internal
improvements but no major changes.

Seamonkey 2 was released almost two years ago, and it was a major change
-- from the old framework to the new toolkit, for starters. Seamonkey
2.1 was launched now, and it's technically considered a MINOR version,
not a major version -- it essentially finished the transition job which
began with the 2.0 release. Even if it you want to call it a major
version (which it isn't), two years is a long, long time as browser
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ray_Net schrieb:

But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...


A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting
all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.

Perhaps i have not explained correctly - The question is not for 
backporting ... the question is just why do you change major versions so 
often ?

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Ray_Net wrote:

Now, i have reset all options for upgrade  BUT i must return (200
kilometer riding) to this house to migrate to 2.1.x.
This is occurring too often...


Or VNC//Remote Desktop

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Robert Kaiser]

Ray_Net schrieb:

But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...


A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting 
all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.


Robert Kaiser

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Philip Chee schrieb:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:28:06 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ant schrieb:

I saw Firefox v3.6.18 and Thunderbird v3.1.11 were released earlier
today. Will SeaMonkey v2.0.14 be getting any more updates too? I am not
ready for v2.1.x yet.


Probably not, as nobody is working on backporting the security fixes to
the Mozilla branch that SeaMonkey 2.0.x is based on.


I still see (once in a while) a security patch land in mozilla-1.9.1.


The "once in a while" is important there. Nobody is caring that
everything is being backported or that anything happens to security
problems reported on that branch.


But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...
Because i have installed SM 1.x.x on my friend's pc... so far so good...
I had not reset the automatic update. After a certain time, i go to my 
friend house (riding 200 kilometers) to upgrade his SM 1.x.x to 2.0.x

and  surprise .. the SM 2.0.x profile was present on his pc 
but he still use SM 1.x.x. g.
He told me that he had received a message asking to upgrade ... then he 
forgot what was going after(you have to know that he did not know what a 
pc is :-) )
I believe that if i did not examine his pc before the upgrade SM2 will 
not migrate the SM1 profile.

Not a fancy situation.
Now, i have reset all options for upgrade  BUT i must return (200 
kilometer riding) to this house to migrate to 2.1.x.

This is occurring too often...

Perhaps .. IE and WEBMAIL is a better solution for him.
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Robert Kaiser]

Philip Chee schrieb:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:28:06 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ant schrieb:

I saw Firefox v3.6.18 and Thunderbird v3.1.11 were released earlier
today. Will SeaMonkey v2.0.14 be getting any more updates too? I am not
ready for v2.1.x yet.


Probably not, as nobody is working on backporting the security fixes to
the Mozilla branch that SeaMonkey 2.0.x is based on.


I still see (once in a while) a security patch land in mozilla-1.9.1.


The "once in a while" is important there. Nobody is caring that 
everything is being backported or that anything happens to security 
problems reported on that branch.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:28:06 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ant schrieb:

I saw Firefox v3.6.18 and Thunderbird v3.1.11 were released earlier
today. Will SeaMonkey v2.0.14 be getting any more updates too? I am not
ready for v2.1.x yet.


Probably not, as nobody is working on backporting the security fixes to
the Mozilla branch that SeaMonkey 2.0.x is based on.


I still see (once in a while) a security patch land in mozilla-1.9.1.


Some people, not Mozilla are doing *some* security updates; I am unsure 
of the quality of code, testing scheme, or even quantity of fixes there.


I would not feel comfortable shipping a 2.0.x based release without 
Mozilla shipping a similar gecko release of Firefox, and they are not.


If a Linux distro however wants to ship a newer SeaMonkey based on some 
ported security fixes, I have no objection, as that is their prerogative 
as a Linux Distro (c.f. iceweasel, etc.)


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Jens Hatlak]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:28:06 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ant schrieb:

I saw Firefox v3.6.18 and Thunderbird v3.1.11 were released earlier
today. Will SeaMonkey v2.0.14 be getting any more updates too? I am not
ready for v2.1.x yet.


Probably not, as nobody is working on backporting the security fixes to
the Mozilla branch that SeaMonkey 2.0.x is based on.


I still see (once in a while) a security patch land in mozilla-1.9.1.


Well... Quoting from 
:


"Please note: Firefox 3.5 is no longer receiving security and stability 
releases. Remaining Firefox 3.5 users will receive an automated update 
notification for Firefox 3.6.18 as well."


I'd say that's pretty clear.

Greetings,

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Philip Chee]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:28:06 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Ant schrieb:
>> I saw Firefox v3.6.18 and Thunderbird v3.1.11 were released earlier
>> today. Will SeaMonkey v2.0.14 be getting any more updates too? I am not
>> ready for v2.1.x yet.
> 
> Probably not, as nobody is working on backporting the security fixes to 
> the Mozilla branch that SeaMonkey 2.0.x is based on.

I still see (once in a while) a security patch land in mozilla-1.9.1.

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On 6/22/2011 6:28 AM PT, Robert Kaiser typed:


I saw Firefox v3.6.18 and Thunderbird v3.1.11 were released earlier
today. Will SeaMonkey v2.0.14 be getting any more updates too? I am not
ready for v2.1.x yet.


Probably not, as nobody is working on backporting the security fixes to
the Mozilla branch that SeaMonkey 2.0.x is based on.


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Robert Kaiser]

Ant schrieb:

I saw Firefox v3.6.18 and Thunderbird v3.1.11 were released earlier
today. Will SeaMonkey v2.0.14 be getting any more updates too? I am not
ready for v2.1.x yet.


Probably not, as nobody is working on backporting the security fixes to 
the Mozilla branch that SeaMonkey 2.0.x is based on.


Robert Kaiser

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