Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
On 6/28/2015 11:57 PM, cmcadams wrote: ... A few things with respect to the HTML emails: keyboard cursor functions. Press PageDown, for instance, or CTRL_PageDown, and it can leap to the top (or anyplace), and not that predictably. It seems to depend on the material. In 2.26.1, when you double-clicked on a graphic, a window opened that let you change things concerning that graphic. Dimensions, proportions, spacing on whichever sides, links, and so on. In the later Windows versions I've tried all that's gone. Now it's mousing all the way, through layers of menus to accomplish the same things. Features might theoretically still be there, but are just too exasperating to put up with when there's an alternative that's faster. Ahh. I rarley compose HTML e-mails. I did start using it for cover letters. :/ -- Ladies and gentlemen, er, we've just lost the picture, but, uh, what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has been taken over--'conquered', if you will--by a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth men or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to...toil in their underground sugar caves.--Kent Brockman in The Simpsons' Deep Space Homer (1F13) episode. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) Chop ANT from its address if e-mailing privately. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
Ant wrote: ... I am using a Tinderbox build of SM 2.35. It works pretty well. The only real problem I had was YouTube sending HTML5 videos instead of Flash. There is an extension that can fix that. Which extension is that? Mine always use Flash. I think my YouTube account is set to use Flash so I can do on demand unlike HTML5 videos. With SM 2.35, YouTube began sending videos with HTML5. I have no YouTube account, and did not want one. The extension is YouTube Flash Video Player. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
Ant wrote: On 6/27/2015 1:01 AM, cmcadams wrote: ... I don't check for updates at present. I see them in passing, but I'm not interested. One of my very specific reasons for staying with 2.26.1 has to do with how the HTML email editor still functions. As opposed to the non-functioning evident in later versions. At least the ones I've tried. Which fucntions were those? A few things with respect to the HTML emails: keyboard cursor functions. Press PageDown, for instance, or CTRL_PageDown, and it can leap to the top (or anyplace), and not that predictably. It seems to depend on the material. In 2.26.1, when you double-clicked on a graphic, a window opened that let you change things concerning that graphic. Dimensions, proportions, spacing on whichever sides, links, and so on. In the later Windows versions I've tried all that's gone. Now it's mousing all the way, through layers of menus to accomplish the same things. Features might theoretically still be there, but are just too exasperating to put up with when there's an alternative that's faster. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
... I am using a Tinderbox build of SM 2.35. It works pretty well. The only real problem I had was YouTube sending HTML5 videos instead of Flash. There is an extension that can fix that. Which extension is that? Mine always use Flash. I think my YouTube account is set to use Flash so I can do on demand unlike HTML5 videos. -- Hey dad, look. I put honey on my back, and now the ants are carrying me home. --Chris from Family Guy /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) Chop ANT from its address if e-mailing privately. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
... I don't remember what I used. Might have been via BBS. Ah... yea, I think there was some sort of cat... puma, tiger, or something. Lynx, perhaps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29 First released in 1992 according to Wikipedia, but it's a cat from the right era and I could believe that date may not be exactly correct. Mark. That could be it. It was text based with pretty ascii colors. I think I used a time share through IBM??? to get to the internet. For me, I used TIA and SLiRP for SLIP and PPP emulation to use with Windows Trumpket for Internet on my dial-up connections and shell accounts. I didn't even have Lynx back then on it IIRC. I was one of the first to do that during my college days (1994-1998). -- You feel the faint grit of ants beneath your shoes, but keep on walking because in this world you have to decide what you're willing to kill. --Tony Hoagland from Candlelight /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) Chop ANT from its address if e-mailing privately. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
On 6/27/2015 1:01 AM, cmcadams wrote: ... I don't check for updates at present. I see them in passing, but I'm not interested. One of my very specific reasons for staying with 2.26.1 has to do with how the HTML email editor still functions. As opposed to the non-functioning evident in later versions. At least the ones I've tried. Which fucntions were those? -- Lay a stick of bubble gum on an anthill for instant Siamese Ant Twins. --unknown /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) Chop ANT from its address if e-mailing privately. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
WaltS48 wrote: On 06/25/2015 09:10 PM, cmcadams wrote: chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I'm still on 2.26.1, but that's for very specific reasons that very likely wouldn't apply to you. As far as upgrading goes, I've discovered you can do it with wild abandon. Just uninstall the old, run the new installer. It really is as simple as that. My data has always remained intact. Why do all of that? All of what? Using 2.26.1 or the way I do updates (when I do them)? Doesn't Help Check for Updates, or Automatically check for updates work? I don't check for updates at present. I see them in passing, but I'm not interested. One of my very specific reasons for staying with 2.26.1 has to do with how the HTML email editor still functions. As opposed to the non-functioning evident in later versions. At least the ones I've tried. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
Ray Davison wrote: chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, That is why I don't upgrade. I install the new without effecting the previous. Sometimes the new has problems, or maybe you just don't like it. You can have as many versions as you have space on the HDD. I have had as many as twenty two. And they can all use the same profile or different profiles. Be careful using the same profile between different versions. Sometimes a newer version introduces a new format for some of the files in the profile. The release notes usually mention when that happens, but I wouldn't like to rely on it. It usually converts an old profile to the new format on first use, but that profile may not then work properly with older versions (and trying to use an older version with a profile for a newer version may corrupt the profile). When I decide I don't need/want one of them I delete it. But, to answer your question, I am using 2.33, on W7U-64, and have no issues. I'm using SeaMonkey 2.33.1 on Windows Vista, and don't have any major problems. That's not to say there aren't any - just that I don't find they affect things I frequently use. Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
Paul in Houston TX wrote: Daniel wrote: On 26/06/2015 8:48 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Snip That has not happened to me since 1991. 1991!! What did you use back then Mosaic or something?? (I can only go back as far as Netscape Navigator 0.9 in 1995 or 1996!) Good question. I don't remember what I used. Might have been via BBS. Ah... yea, I think there was some sort of cat... puma, tiger, or something. Lynx, perhaps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29 First released in 1992 according to Wikipedia, but it's a cat from the right era and I could believe that date may not be exactly correct. Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Paul in Houston TX wrote: Daniel wrote: On 26/06/2015 8:48 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Snip That has not happened to me since 1991. 1991!! What did you use back then Mosaic or something?? (I can only go back as far as Netscape Navigator 0.9 in 1995 or 1996!) Good question. I don't remember what I used. Might have been via BBS. Ah... yea, I think there was some sort of cat... puma, tiger, or something. Lynx, perhaps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29 First released in 1992 according to Wikipedia, but it's a cat from the right era and I could believe that date may not be exactly correct. Mark. That could be it. It was text based with pretty ascii colors. I think I used a time share through IBM??? to get to the internet. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Be careful using the same profile between different versions. Sometimes a newer version introduces a new format for some of the files in the profile. My files began life in Netscape. I only recall once in recent times when I needed different profiles for different versions; early 2X. And because my profiles wander between several desktops and laptops I have several backups without any extra effort. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
chicagofan wrote: hawker wrote: On 6/25/2015 5:06 PM, chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I'm also still on 2.26.1, Win XP. I'm not having any major problems with it other than some minor IMAP issues that are easy to deal with. From what I can tell the few versions after all have bugs that would be show stoppers for me. I read this group all the time, and that is the opinion I had formed. Lately I decided I might risk 2.26.l, but before I did, wanted to check to see if more people than I thought, were using the very latest versions ... with no problems. :) I'm not worried about security. I keep the big holes (Flash, Acrobat, Java, etc) up to date, use Addblock Plus which tends to stop a lot of virus believe it or not and have good virus software. The only hacks I have ever gotten since the 1990s are due to Acrobat, Java, or Flash exploits. I don't open stupid things. That's essentially how I feel about my usage as well. What's most important to me is the stability of mail and newsgroup functions, and since my friends and I use HTML for mail sharing of news, photos, etc., the changes with HTML are presenting a problem I want to avoid. Lately some image attachments have not been copied in my mail replies as well. I wanted to thank each person individually that responded to my plea for help, but that would just fill the newsgroup needlessly, so I hope my thanks here will suffice. :) I was glad to see that some of you are using 2.33 successfully, and I will read it's release notes again ... just in case, I feel daring when I start this project. ;) Like Stan, I'm still on 2.17.1 because I don't need to be in sync with all the world's gadgets ... just able to read websites that continually change. ;) The comments about HTML mail editor from cmcadams sort of reinforce my feelings about 2.26.1 being a safe move though. Thanks again everyone! I probably will screw something up and be back, after I attempt the upgrade. Hope you're still as patient with me. :) Barbara ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I use 2.17 for daily stuff mainly because of Password Manager and the fact that I do not need a lot of Add-Ons to perform the same functions that seemingly later versions need. I also still use Netscape Composer 4.79 to build and maintain my website as later versions in Seamonkey proved to be too touchy for me to easily do what I can do with 4.79. Granted I have to do some 'touch-up' raw HTML work with a text editor but it is still better than all of the stuff folks have recommended. So basically your choice will depend on what you value most and hopefully all the comments posted here will give you some insight to help you reach that end. -- Stan Gondek Multi Path Communications http://www.m-p-c.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
Daniel wrote: On 26/06/2015 8:48 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Snip That has not happened to me since 1991. 1991!! What did you use back then Mosaic or something?? (I can only go back as far as Netscape Navigator 0.9 in 1995 or 1996!) Good question. I don't remember what I used. Might have been via BBS. Ah... yea, I think there was some sort of cat... puma, tiger, or something. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
On 6/25/2015 5:06 PM, chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I'm also still on 2.26.1, Win XP. I'm not having any major problems with it other than some minor IMAP issues that are easy to deal with. From what I can tell the few versions after all have bugs that would be show stoppers for me. I'm not worried about security. I keep the big holes (Flash, Acrobat, Java, etc) up to date, use Addblock Plus which tends to stop a lot of virus believe it or not and have good virus software. The only hacks I have ever gotten since the 1990s are due to Acrobat, Java, or Flash exploits. I don't open stupid things. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
Cruz, Jaime wrote: chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I'm using the most current. Only issue I have is the binary attachments from newsgroups not working properly. That's an old, long-standing issue and not really critical (just REALLY annoying). But the older and older this codebase gets, the more security holes I am exposed to. I think if Firefox goes one more revision with nothing from Seamonkey I may be forced to abandon Seamonkey and go with Firefox/Thunderbird. I've heard it that Thunderbird does not have the issue with binary newsgroup attachments either. I am using a Tinderbox build of SM 2.35. It works pretty well. The only real problem I had was YouTube sending HTML5 videos instead of Flash. There is an extension that can fix that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
But, to answer your question, I am using 2.33, on W7U-64, and have no issues. v2.33.1 gave you issues? For me, I use v2.33.1 to be updated and secured. -- Ants never lend, ants never borrow. --unknown /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) Chop ANT from its address if e-mailing privately. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
On 26/06/2015 8:48 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Snip That has not happened to me since 1991. 1991!! What did you use back then Mosaic or something?? (I can only go back as far as Netscape Navigator 0.9 in 1995 or 1996!) -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.33 Build identifier: 20150215202114 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What version of SM is used by most here?
What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I'm using the most current. Only issue I have is the binary attachments from newsgroups not working properly. That's an old, long-standing issue and not really critical (just REALLY annoying). But the older and older this codebase gets, the more security holes I am exposed to. I think if Firefox goes one more revision with nothing from Seamonkey I may be forced to abandon Seamonkey and go with Firefox/Thunderbird. I've heard it that Thunderbird does not have the issue with binary newsgroup attachments either. -- Jaime A. Cruz Secretary Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Freddy's Run http://www.freddysrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj We probably all use different versions. Don't trust header info. My SM is 2.26.1, Win XP. It works great. The last of the good SM's. I am not worried about mal stuff or being hacked. That has not happened to me since 1991. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
On 06/25/2015 09:10 PM, cmcadams wrote: chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I'm still on 2.26.1, but that's for very specific reasons that very likely wouldn't apply to you. As far as upgrading goes, I've discovered you can do it with wild abandon. Just uninstall the old, run the new installer. It really is as simple as that. My data has always remained intact. Why do all of that? Doesn't Help Check for Updates, or Automatically check for updates work? -- Kubuntu 15.04 | KDE 4.14.8 | Thunderbird 41.0a1(Daily) Go Bucs! [Coexist ยท Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) [Visit Pittsburgh](http://www.visitpittsburgh.com) [2015 EQT Pittsburgh Three Rivers Regatta](http://www.yougottaregatta.com/) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, That is why I don't upgrade. I install the new without effecting the previous. Sometimes the new has problems, or maybe you just don't like it. You can have as many versions as you have space on the HDD. I have had as many as twenty two. And they can all use the same profile or different profiles. When I decide I don't need/want one of them I delete it. But, to answer your question, I am using 2.33, on W7U-64, and have no issues. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What version of SM is used by most here?
chicagofan wrote: What is the most reliable version available now? I've read of so many problems I can't keep up with them, and I've been afraid to upgrade, because my short term memory is so pathetic, and I've also forgotten the steps to upgrade [safely]. I'm assuming instructions will still be at the site where the downloads are. Anyone have a feeling which version has the least problems now? I'm being pushed to do this, because when I was forced to use Firefox the other day to do something, they updated it to version 31. [I didn't know it was set to auto update, I have now changed that.] I will appreciate any suggestions to reduce my anxiety, and take pity on me, because I'm old. :) bj I'm still on 2.26.1, but that's for very specific reasons that very likely wouldn't apply to you. As far as upgrading goes, I've discovered you can do it with wild abandon. Just uninstall the old, run the new installer. It really is as simple as that. My data has always remained intact. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey