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[Daniel]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 16/08/2019 2:35 AM:
 


 2.49.5 RC2. Or Bill sunofficial 2.49.5 or 2.53.


Hmm!! So now Bill has the authority of the Sun, does he?? :-P

Man Oh Man!! I best keep on his good side ... or is that his dark side?? ;-P

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SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 14-08-19 14:46:

On 8/14/19 6:55 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 14-08-19 11:11:

Hi,

please see





Certainly, but the two problems are not the same.


...
> I did not agree that my bug is closed by the reason of duplicate - when this
> is not a duplicate. If it's a duplicate, I must have the two bugs together ..
> but in this case I have my bug without having the oter one.
> Anyway Paul give me a viable workaround .. so now I don't care about my bug
> anymore

No but they are caused by the same problem. Google serving goblygock web 
content to SeaMonkey for whatever reason. If not duplicate the bug can be 
close as worksforme or invalid. It can not be fixed in 2.49.x. Also 2.49.1 is 
outdated. Before filing a bug please verify with the latest available version. 
Currently either 2.49.4 or 2.49.5 RC2. Or Bill sunofficial 2.49.5 or 2.53.


The best option for goolge, facebook and the other corporate ilk sites who 
don't care about web standards is currently 2.53.


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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 14-08-19 14:46:

On 8/14/19 6:55 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 14-08-19 11:11:

Hi,

please see
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680#c3>



in user.js ...
user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0");

did not correct the problem.
But Paul B. Gallagher find a workaround ---> right-click on the image 
and then "open link in new windows"


My bug IS NOT a duplicate of bug: 1508152
because the google input box is correct ... I have a nother problem 
(see description above)

SOMEONE CLOSED my bug whch is different ...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680 must be 
re-opened ...




No, you must try all standard test procedures before filing a bug 
report. You have been around long enough to know that.



Certainly, but the two problems are not the same.
The user.js string I give was just a test. I also use AdBlockPlus and 
advertise firefox compatibility  ..
So I agree that someone close my problem because I have not done all the 
"standard" test procedures.
Last time I tried Safe-Mode - ...when returning to normal mode ... I 
discovered that SM had changed some options. I don't remember which ones 
and I am not sure that other options were changed due to the fact that I 
had worked in Safe-Mode. So I am very reluctant to use Safe-Mode again.
I did not agree that my bug is closed by the reason of duplicate - when 
this is not a duplicate. If it's a duplicate, I must have the two bugs 
together .. but in this case I have my bug without having the oter one.
Anyway Paul give me a viable workaround .. so now I don't care about my 
bug  anymore

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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[WaltS48]

On 8/14/19 6:55 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 14-08-19 11:11:

Hi,

please see
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680#c3>



in user.js ...
user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0");

did not correct the problem.
But Paul B. Gallagher find a workaround ---> right-click on the image 
and then "open link in new windows"


My bug IS NOT a duplicate of bug: 1508152
because the google input box is correct ... I have a nother problem (see 
description above)

SOMEONE CLOSED my bug whch is different ...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680   must be re-opened 
...




No, you must try all standard test procedures before filing a bug 
report. You have been around long enough to know that.


Does it work in safe mode? If not did you try a test profile?

I have no problem with the site using SeaMonkey 2.49.4 on Windows 10 or 
Linux. I only have AdBlock Plus as the only added extension and it is 
active. The default user agent string advertising Firefox compatibility 
and I think Lightning compatibility. I forgot to check that, but since I 
run it with default settings it probably is enabled.


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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Ray_Net]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 14-08-19 11:11:

Hi,

please see
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680#c3>



in user.js ...
user_pref("general.useragent.override.google.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 
NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0");

did not correct the problem.
But Paul B. Gallagher find a workaround ---> right-click on the image 
and then "open link in new windows"


My bug IS NOT a duplicate of bug: 1508152
because the google input box is correct ... I have a nother problem (see 
description above)

SOMEONE CLOSED my bug whch is different ...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680   must be re-opened ...

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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Ray_Net]

Ray_Net wrote on 14-08-19 08:14:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 14-08-19 05:50:

Ray_Net wrote:

Per example,
With FireFox when you do a search using GOOGLE - images of "wild 
duck" - you have on your screen a lot of images.

when you click on one of them .. two results:
- first result: the image is selected.
- second result: on the right side of the screen you have some kind 
of pop-up showing some interesting information with the NAME of the 
SITE who contain this image. If you click on this name which is a 
link .. you are redirected to the site containing the "selected" image.


With SeaMonkey you never have the second result.

You may see what I am talking about by looking on my FireFox 
SCREEN-COPY :at http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/WITH-FIREFOX.JPG


My usual practice is to right-click the image and choose "Open link 
in new window," which preserves the search results in case this 
particular result doesn't turn out to be what I want. I can close the 
bad result and choose another without having to repeat the search or 
wait for SM to render the cached window if I click the "back" button.


In this case, opening the link in a new window provides all the data 
you wanted.



You got the detour ... thanks !

Sorry .. you tell me the "workaround"  :-)
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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

please see


Best regards

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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 14-08-19 05:50:

Ray_Net wrote:

Per example,
With FireFox when you do a search using GOOGLE - images of "wild 
duck" - you have on your screen a lot of images.

when you click on one of them .. two results:
- first result: the image is selected.
- second result: on the right side of the screen you have some kind 
of pop-up showing some interesting information with the NAME of the 
SITE who contain this image. If you click on this name which is a 
link .. you are redirected to the site containing the "selected" image.


With SeaMonkey you never have the second result.

You may see what I am talking about by looking on my FireFox 
SCREEN-COPY :at http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/WITH-FIREFOX.JPG


My usual practice is to right-click the image and choose "Open link in 
new window," which preserves the search results in case this 
particular result doesn't turn out to be what I want. I can close the 
bad result and choose another without having to repeat the search or 
wait for SM to render the cached window if I click the "back" button.


In this case, opening the link in a new window provides all the data 
you wanted.



You got the detour ... thanks !
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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:

Per example,
With FireFox when you do a search using GOOGLE - images of "wild duck" - 
you have on your screen a lot of images.

when you click on one of them .. two results:
- first result: the image is selected.
- second result: on the right side of the screen you have some kind of 
pop-up showing some interesting information with the NAME of the SITE 
who contain this image. If you click on this name which is a link .. you 
are redirected to the site containing the "selected" image.


With SeaMonkey you never have the second result.

You may see what I am talking about by looking on my FireFox SCREEN-COPY 
:at http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/WITH-FIREFOX.JPG


My usual practice is to right-click the image and choose "Open link in 
new window," which preserves the search results in case this particular 
result doesn't turn out to be what I want. I can close the bad result 
and choose another without having to repeat the search or wait for SM to 
render the cached window if I click the "back" button.


In this case, opening the link in a new window provides all the data you 
wanted.


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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Hartmut Figge]

WaltS48:

>Anybody else see two vertical scroll bars on the right side of the 
>window in their SeaMonkey?

Depends. *g*

Dependent on the state of 'Advertise Firefox compatibility' I am getting
different results. Yours with the two scroll bars appears when using
'Advertise'.

Even the content of the search window after calling google is different
regarding 'Advertise'.

Hartmut
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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[WaltS48]

On 8/13/19 5:49 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

BUG SUBMITTED: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680


Commented 

Anybody else see two vertical scroll bars on the right side of the 
window in their SeaMonkey?


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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Ray_Net]

Ray_Net wrote on 13-08-19 17:33:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 13-08-19 01:45:

Ray_Net wrote:

Per example,
With FireFox when you do a search using GOOGLE - images of "wild 
duck" -

you have on your screen a lot of images.
when you click on one of them .. two results:
- first result: the image is selected.
- second result: on the right side of the screen you have some kind of
pop-up showing some interesting information with the NAME of the SITE
who contain this image. If you click on this name which is a link .. 
you

are redirected to the site containing the "selected" image.

With SeaMonkey you never have the second result.

You may see what I am talking about by looking on my FireFox 
SCREEN-COPY

:at http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/WITH-FIREFOX.JPG


Mine works ok.  Check your pop up blockers.

I have played with:
- Block Unrequested popup windows checked/uncheked
- privacy.popup.remove_blacklist false/true
- ALLOW popup for the specific site google.com
AND all those tests did not correct the problem.

BUG SUBMITTED: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573680
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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Ray_Net]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 13-08-19 01:45:

Ray_Net wrote:

Per example,
With FireFox when you do a search using GOOGLE - images of "wild duck" -
you have on your screen a lot of images.
when you click on one of them .. two results:
- first result: the image is selected.
- second result: on the right side of the screen you have some kind of
pop-up showing some interesting information with the NAME of the SITE
who contain this image. If you click on this name which is a link .. you
are redirected to the site containing the "selected" image.

With SeaMonkey you never have the second result.

You may see what I am talking about by looking on my FireFox SCREEN-COPY
:at http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/WITH-FIREFOX.JPG


Mine works ok.  Check your pop up blockers.

I have played with:
- Block Unrequested popup windows checked/uncheked
- privacy.popup.remove_blacklist false/true
- ALLOW popup for the specific site google.com
AND all those tests did not correct the problem.
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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Ray_Net wrote:

Per example,
With FireFox when you do a search using GOOGLE - images of "wild duck" -
you have on your screen a lot of images.
when you click on one of them .. two results:
- first result: the image is selected.
- second result: on the right side of the screen you have some kind of
pop-up showing some interesting information with the NAME of the SITE
who contain this image. If you click on this name which is a link .. you
are redirected to the site containing the "selected" image.

With SeaMonkey you never have the second result.

You may see what I am talking about by looking on my FireFox SCREEN-COPY
:at http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/WITH-FIREFOX.JPG


Mine works ok.  Check your pop up blockers.
$49.99 is rather expensive for a frozen duck.

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Unable to acces a site which contain an image

[Ray_Net]

Per example,
With FireFox when you do a search using GOOGLE - images of "wild duck" - 
you have on your screen a lot of images.

when you click on one of them .. two results:
- first result: the image is selected.
- second result: on the right side of the screen you have some kind of 
pop-up showing some interesting information with the NAME of the SITE 
who contain this image. If you click on this name which is a link .. you 
are redirected to the site containing the "selected" image.


With SeaMonkey you never have the second result.

You may see what I am talking about by looking on my FireFox SCREEN-COPY 
:at http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/WITH-FIREFOX.JPG

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Re: No *.webp image support?

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Darn and thanks. I'll be waiting a very long time then. :)

On 2/20/2019 11:40 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
2.57 won't have it because based on ESR60. Thought about adding it to 
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Re: No *.webp image support?

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2.57 won't have it because based on ESR60. Thought about adding it to 2.53 
but I need to bring it up wrt sec first. Same with AV1.


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Ant wrote:

On 2/20/2019 3:21 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 2/20/19 4:59 PM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

Is it me or does SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser not support *.webp images 
like in 
https://www.download.hr/forum/threads/music-player-pro-4-free.17495/ web 
page? I tried to view/open its 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e1Zc893Ww5j28-0lVXj6aiLroODCF5wE64ek0BiC19ffaEIIujA9gDF7WskBImHZ0A=w360-h220-rw 
directly, but it asked me to what to do with it. :( Firefox v65.0.1 had no 
problems, but IE11 did (broken images) so I assume it is the old web browsers.


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


SeaMonkey probably doesn't support the WebP image format which was added to 
Firefox 65.0.


"Improved performance and web compatibility, with support for the WebP image 
format: WebP brings the same image quality as existing formats at smaller 
file sizes, which saves bandwidth and speeds up page load."


REF: <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/65.0/releasenotes/>


Ah, thanks. That makes sense. Hopefully, a next major SM version (not v2.49.5) 
will have it but that will be a long time. :(

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Re: No *.webp image support?

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On 2/20/2019 3:21 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 2/20/19 4:59 PM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

Is it me or does SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser not support *.webp 
images like in 
https://www.download.hr/forum/threads/music-player-pro-4-free.17495/ 
web page? I tried to view/open its 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e1Zc893Ww5j28-0lVXj6aiLroODCF5wE64ek0BiC19ffaEIIujA9gDF7WskBImHZ0A=w360-h220-rw 
directly, but it asked me to what to do with it. :( Firefox v65.0.1 
had no problems, but IE11 did (broken images) so I assume it is the 
old web browsers.


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


SeaMonkey probably doesn't support the WebP image format which was added 
to Firefox 65.0.


"Improved performance and web compatibility, with support for the WebP 
image format: WebP brings the same image quality as existing formats at 
smaller file sizes, which saves bandwidth and speeds up page load."


REF: <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/65.0/releasenotes/>


Ah, thanks. That makes sense. Hopefully, a next major SM version (not 
v2.49.5) will have it but that will be a long time. :(

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Re: No *.webp image support?

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On 2/20/19 4:59 PM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

Is it me or does SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser not support *.webp images 
like in 
https://www.download.hr/forum/threads/music-player-pro-4-free.17495/ web 
page? I tried to view/open its 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e1Zc893Ww5j28-0lVXj6aiLroODCF5wE64ek0BiC19ffaEIIujA9gDF7WskBImHZ0A=w360-h220-rw 
directly, but it asked me to what to do with it. :( Firefox v65.0.1 had 
no problems, but IE11 did (broken images) so I assume it is the old web 
browsers.


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


SeaMonkey probably doesn't support the WebP image format which was added 
to Firefox 65.0.


"Improved performance and web compatibility, with support for the WebP 
image format: WebP brings the same image quality as existing formats at 
smaller file sizes, which saves bandwidth and speeds up page load."


REF: <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/65.0/releasenotes/>


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No *.webp image support?

[Ant via support-seamonkey]

Hello.

Is it me or does SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser not support *.webp images 
like in 
https://www.download.hr/forum/threads/music-player-pro-4-free.17495/ web 
page? I tried to view/open its 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e1Zc893Ww5j28-0lVXj6aiLroODCF5wE64ek0BiC19ffaEIIujA9gDF7WskBImHZ0A=w360-h220-rw 
directly, but it asked me to what to do with it. :( Firefox v65.0.1 had 
no problems, but IE11 did (broken images) so I assume it is the old web 
browsers.


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Re: Image not printed

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 11-09-17 01:24:

On 9/10/17 3:52 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 10-09-17 02:41:

On 9/9/17 12:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 09-09-17 02:41:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome 
of digital genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the 
image is

not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 







Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, 
make sure

the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me 
time.

Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the 
content for

no reason I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
puzzle and try to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF} 




IE does not show any pics at all.


So the image is from a different site than the main site. Check 
Edit - Preferences -
Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all images. 
See if that helps.


No change for me.  Already had it set to "all images". Toggled it 
and still the same.

Might help Ray though.


I had already (and I still use) "load all images" set.
I think that this option is to permit to see images in the Browser. 
The problem is that the image is visible on the screen of the 
Browser - so perfect ---> But the "print content" did not have the 
image. - so not perfect.

I just try to print with Internet Explorer ---> Same Problem !!!

Therefore my question is the same "Is this normal  ?"


For that site it probably is.

Did you notice the zoom feature when you move the mouse over an image?

Did you notice the images are links, not images coded in  tags 
in that web page?


Did you try opening the image link in a new tab and printing it?

I have no trouble opening an image link in a new tab and printing it.


Yes, me too, I noticed that also earlier ...but :
A page can be showed, but cannot be printed . this is strange ...



How do you print a link in a page? Not strange at all.



You rigth-click on the image then you use "Open link in New Window"
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Re: Image not printed

[WaltS48]

On 9/10/17 3:52 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 10-09-17 02:41:

On 9/9/17 12:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 09-09-17 02:41:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome 
of digital genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 







Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make 
sure

the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me 
time.

Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content 
for

no reason I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
puzzle and try to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF} 




IE does not show any pics at all.


So the image is from a different site than the main site. Check 
Edit - Preferences -
Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all images. 
See if that helps.


No change for me.  Already had it set to "all images". Toggled it 
and still the same.

Might help Ray though.


I had already (and I still use) "load all images" set.
I think that this option is to permit to see images in the Browser. 
The problem is that the image is visible on the screen of the Browser 
- so perfect ---> But the "print content" did not have the image. - 
so not perfect.

I just try to print with Internet Explorer ---> Same Problem !!!

Therefore my question is the same "Is this normal  ?"


For that site it probably is.

Did you notice the zoom feature when you move the mouse over an image?

Did you notice the images are links, not images coded in  tags in 
that web page?


Did you try opening the image link in a new tab and printing it?

I have no trouble opening an image link in a new tab and printing it.


Yes, me too, I noticed that also earlier ...but :
A page can be showed, but cannot be printed . this is strange ...



How do you print a link in a page? Not strange at all.


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Re: Image not printed

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David E. Ross wrote:


I think I have seen pages that could not be printed because the
owner had them composed that way on purpose.  This limits the ability
of others to capture and modify the page.  When I have seen this,
disabling JavaScript AFTER the page is fully loaded defeats the
blocking of printing.


Surely that isn't the case with websudoku.com, which has a "print" 
button for that specific purpose.


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Re: Image not printed

[David E. Ross]

On 9/10/2017 12:52 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote on 10-09-17 02:41:
>> On 9/9/17 12:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
>>> Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 09-09-17 02:41:
>>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>> On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome 
>>>>> of digital genius:
>>>>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>>>>> Glen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
>>>>>>>>>> not present... ...printing that page
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this normal ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make 
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>> the Print Background checkbox is checked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
>>>>>>>> printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me 
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>> Thank you! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> no reason I can
>>>>>>> fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
>>>>>>> puzzle and try to print
>>>>>>> it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
>>>>>> shorts pic from the
>>>>>> original url.  The pic actually comes from:
>>>>>> http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF}
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE does not show any pics at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the image is from a different site than the main site. Check 
>>>>> Edit - Preferences -
>>>>> Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all images. 
>>>>> See if that helps.
>>>>
>>>> No change for me.  Already had it set to "all images". Toggled it 
>>>> and still the same.
>>>> Might help Ray though.
>>>>
>>> I had already (and I still use) "load all images" set.
>>> I think that this option is to permit to see images in the Browser. 
>>> The problem is that the image is visible on the screen of the Browser 
>>> - so perfect ---> But the "print content" did not have the image. - 
>>> so not perfect.
>>> I just try to print with Internet Explorer ---> Same Problem !!!
>>>
>>> Therefore my question is the same "Is this normal  ?"
>>
>> For that site it probably is.
>>
>> Did you notice the zoom feature when you move the mouse over an image?
>>
>> Did you notice the images are links, not images coded in  tags in 
>> that web page?
>>
>> Did you try opening the image link in a new tab and printing it?
>>
>> I have no trouble opening an image link in a new tab and printing it.
>>
> Yes, me too, I noticed that also earlier ...but :
> A page can be showed, but cannot be printed . this is strange ...
> 

I think I have seen pages that could not be printed because the owner
had them composed that way on purpose.  This limits the ability of
others to capture and modify the page.  When I have seen this, disabling
JavaScript AFTER the page is fully loaded defeats the blocking of
printing.

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Re: Image not printed

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 10-09-17 02:41:

On 9/9/17 12:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 09-09-17 02:41:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome 
of digital genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 







Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make 
sure

the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me 
time.

Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content 
for

no reason I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
puzzle and try to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF} 




IE does not show any pics at all.


So the image is from a different site than the main site. Check 
Edit - Preferences -
Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all images. 
See if that helps.


No change for me.  Already had it set to "all images". Toggled it 
and still the same.

Might help Ray though.


I had already (and I still use) "load all images" set.
I think that this option is to permit to see images in the Browser. 
The problem is that the image is visible on the screen of the Browser 
- so perfect ---> But the "print content" did not have the image. - 
so not perfect.

I just try to print with Internet Explorer ---> Same Problem !!!

Therefore my question is the same "Is this normal  ?"


For that site it probably is.

Did you notice the zoom feature when you move the mouse over an image?

Did you notice the images are links, not images coded in  tags in 
that web page?


Did you try opening the image link in a new tab and printing it?

I have no trouble opening an image link in a new tab and printing it.


Yes, me too, I noticed that also earlier ...but :
A page can be showed, but cannot be printed . this is strange ...
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Re: Image not printed

[WaltS48]

On 9/9/17 12:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 09-09-17 02:41:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome of 
digital genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 







Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content for
no reason I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
puzzle and try to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF} 




IE does not show any pics at all.


So the image is from a different site than the main site.  Check Edit 
- Preferences -
Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all images. See 
if that helps.


No change for me.  Already had it set to "all images".  Toggled it and 
still the same.

Might help Ray though.


I had already (and I still use) "load all images" set.
I think that this option is to permit to see images in the Browser. The 
problem is that the image is visible on the screen of the Browser - so 
perfect ---> But the "print content" did not have the image. - so not 
perfect.

I just try to print with Internet Explorer ---> Same Problem !!!

Therefore my question is the same "Is this normal  ?"


For that site it probably is.

Did you notice the zoom feature when you move the mouse over an image?

Did you notice the images are links, not images coded in  tags in 
that web page?


Did you try opening the image link in a new tab and printing it?

I have no trouble opening an image link in a new tab and printing it.

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Re: Image not printed

[Ray_Net]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 09-09-17 02:41:

Ed Mullen wrote:
On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome of 
digital genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 







Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content for
no reason I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
puzzle and try to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF} 




IE does not show any pics at all.


So the image is from a different site than the main site.  Check Edit 
- Preferences -
Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all images.  
See if that helps.


No change for me.  Already had it set to "all images".  Toggled it and 
still the same.

Might help Ray though.


I had already (and I still use) "load all images" set.
I think that this option is to permit to see images in the Browser. The 
problem is that the image is visible on the screen of the Browser - so 
perfect ---> But the "print content" did not have the image. - so not 
perfect.

I just try to print with Internet Explorer ---> Same Problem !!!

Therefore my question is the same "Is this normal  ?"
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Re: Image not printed

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome of digital 
genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>





Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content for
no reason I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
puzzle and try to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF}


IE does not show any pics at all.


So the image is from a different site than the main site.  Check Edit - 
Preferences -
Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all images.  See if that 
helps.


No change for me.  Already had it set to "all images".  Toggled it and still 
the same.
Might help Ray though.

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Re: Image not printed

[Ed Mullen]

On 9/8/2017 at 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston, TX created this epitome of 
digital genius:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>




Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content for
no reason I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any
puzzle and try to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF}

IE does not show any pics at all.


So the image is from a different site than the main site.  Check Edit - 
Preferences - Security - Images - and set the radio button for Load all 
images.  See if that helps.



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Re: Image not printed

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 08-09-17 06:10:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 9/7/17 9:23 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content
for no reason I can fathom. A good example is
. Choose any puzzle and try to print it.
You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


Do you select Print from under the puzzle, or Print from the
SeaMonkey Menu bar?

I see the numbers in both print previews. Haven't tried to print it.


I don't see the numbers in either scenario.

It works for me, by the SM print-preview or going thru the "print" 
button on the page.

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Re: Image not printed

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 08-09-17 03:23:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 




Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

Same for me. This option did not cure the problem.
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Re: Image not printed

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content
for no reason I can fathom. A good example is
<http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any puzzle and try to print it.
You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer
shorts pic from the original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF}

 IE does not show any pics at all.


OK, I can see the boxers at the page you link, and they also show up in 
the print preview, unlike the OP's page.


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Re: Image not printed

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS48 wrote:


On 9/7/17 9:23 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content
for no reason I can fathom. A good example is
. Choose any puzzle and try to print it.
You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


Do you select Print from under the puzzle, or Print from the
SeaMonkey Menu bar?

I see the numbers in both print previews. Haven't tried to print it.


I don't see the numbers in either scenario.

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Re: Image not printed

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>



Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content for no reason 
I can
fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. Choose any puzzle and try 
to print
it. You get the grid but no numbers -- totally useless.


SM 2.26.1:  I can print the sudoku ok but I cannot print the boxer shorts pic 
from the
original url.  The pic actually comes from:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/9086/10h/origin-d4.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5ProdWithBadge?=on-model-mid|pdpZoomDesktop=0.50=jpg=85=sharp2=on,off=f0f0f0=0,0,1836,1950&$p_pos=450,380&$p_size=910,0=0,0,0,0&$p_src=is{Underarmour/V5-1277238-158_HTF}
IE does not show any pics at all.
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Re: Image not printed

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On 9/7/17 9:23 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 




Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content for no 
reason I can fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. 
Choose any puzzle and try to print it. You get the grid but no numbers 
-- totally useless.




Do you select Print from under the puzzle, or Print from the SeaMonkey 
Menu bar?


I see the numbers in both print previews. Haven't tried to print it.

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Re: Image not printed

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Glen wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is
not present... ...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>


Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure
the Print Background checkbox is checked.


I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time.
Thank you! :)


Good for you, not for me. Changing the setting had no effect here.

There are lots of pages where SeaMonkey omits some of the content for no 
reason I can fathom. A good example is <http://www.websudoku.com>. 
Choose any puzzle and try to print it. You get the grid but no numbers 
-- totally useless.


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Re: Image not printed

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David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is not
present...
...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>
Is this normal ?



By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure the
Print Background checkbox is checked.

I kept forgetting to look it up, as to the reason images were not 
printing for me, and now it works again. Awesome! You saved me time. 
Thank you! :)

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Re: Image not printed

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On 9/7/2017 1:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is not 
> present...
> ...printing that page
> <http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>
> Is this normal ?
> 

By any chance, is it a background image?  If so:

1.  On the menu bar, go to [File > Page Setup].

2.  On the Format & Options tab of the Page Setup Window, make sure the
Print Background checkbox is checked.

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Re: Image not printed

[TCW]

On 9/7/2017 3:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is not 
present...

...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html> 


Is this normal ?


Depends on the site, formatting of the code and how SM interprets it. 
Some print images, some not. I see no images on SM 2.48. FF 56.0b1 shows 
no images either. IE11, same thing.

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Image not printed

[Ray_Net]

On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is not 
present...

...printing that page
<http://www.underarmour.fr/fr-fr/boxer-boxerjock-ua-original-series%2C-entrejambe-15%C2%A0cm%2C-pour-homme/1277238.html>
Is this normal ?
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Re: BIG IMAGE

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Stefan Blumenrath wrote on 28-01-17 21:36:

Ray_Net schrieb:


The zoom was and is always at 100% I have used 79x79 because I have
other "logo" on the same line, so each logo have the same height 79.
You can see the result at the end of this page:
http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr

These pics at the end of the page (i.e. UPMM) are displayed here with
200x200 pixels - My resolution is 3840x2160@15", Seamonkey is set to
100%, windows scales with 250%.
Maybe these absolute px aren't the best solution.

Stefan
I supppose that 79x79 is transformed to 198x198 because your "windows 
scales with 250%" ...

My screen resolution is 1920x1080

What is that "windows scales with 250%" ? Where could we change our 
"windows scales" ?

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Re: BIG IMAGE

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Ray_Net schrieb:

> The zoom was and is always at 100% I have used 79x79 because I have
> other "logo" on the same line, so each logo have the same height 79. 
> You can see the result at the end of this page: 
> http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr

These pics at the end of the page (i.e. UPMM) are displayed here with
200x200 pixels - My resolution is 3840x2160@15", Seamonkey is set to
100%, windows scales with 250%.
Maybe these absolute px aren't the best solution.

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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Lee]

On 1/28/17, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com
<mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>>>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>>>> I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels
>>>>>
>>>>> When I use in html >>>> width="79" border="0"/>
>>>>>
>>>>> The rendering by SM is superb
>>>>>
>>>>> BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
>>>>> picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
>>>>> 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79
>>>>> pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified
>>>>> picture which is 14 KB
>>>>>
>>>>> And the rendering of this picture >>>> src="logo-small.jpg" height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is
>>>>> poor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied
>>>>> the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before
>>>>> showing it in the final page ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright
>>>>> idea ?
>>
>> view / page info
>> select media tab
>> find your image / save as
>
> That just saves the file containing the original large image, as linked
> from the HTML source, not the 79x79 pixel image as displayed on screen.
> The image displayed on screen doesn't exist as a file, only in
> SeaMonkey's memory.

Right.  The OP liked the way SeaMonkey shrunk an image down to 79x79
and didn't like the way Irfanview shrunk it down, so saving the
original file doesn't get you anything :(   Sorry for the noise

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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 18:10:

Ray_Net wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27:

Ray_Net wrote:

I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels

When I use in html 

The rendering by SM is superb

BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB


To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79
pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture
which is 14 KB

And the rendering of this picture  by SM is
poor.


I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at
more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have
the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI
monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might
also affect the scaling.

If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that
image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down
to 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79
pixel image scaled up to 158x158.


The zoom was and is always at 100%
I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so
each logo have the same height 79.


Any other image would also be affected by any scaling, so setting both 
to 79 would indeed make the sizes match, but that doesn't necessarily 
mean they're displayed as 79 pixels on screen.



You can see the result at the end of this page:
http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr


For me with SeaMonkey set to 100% those images do indeed render as 79 
pixels height on screen, so it's probably not that unless you're using 
a high-resolution monitor (where the image would need to be rendered 
large in terms of pixels to appear the same size as on a conventional 
monitor).


I'm guessing it's the "UPMM" logo that you're working on, since that's 
the one that's significantly large than displayed. Since it's a logo 
with large blocks of colour, you might get better quality (and 
possibly also better compression) by using PNG rather than JPEG 
format. If possible, start with a "clean" version of the logo, which 
has never been saved as JPEG.



Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied
the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before
showing it in the final page ?

Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?


As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image
editor can have an impact on the final quality.

If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you
should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste
into an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture
function within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create >
Screen Shot, I don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen
capture to just the image you want and save it. You'll also find
out that way whether it's really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on
screen or something more.


I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor.


That is odd. It should capture exactly what SeaMonkey is displaying! 
Perhaps the problem is with the process of saving the file. Definitely 
try using PNG rather than JPEG. JPEG is more optimised for compressing 
photos, where colours are continuously variable and edges are not 
particularly sharp, and takes advantage of that. It tends to give odd 
artefacts around sharp edges on logos though. PNG is lossless, so 
doesn't affect the image, and does a good job of compressing images 
with large blocks of the same colour (like logos) - but it's not so 
good for photos.


I am happy with the result I got, but next time, I will give a try with 
the png format.

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Re: BIG IMAGE

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Lee wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels

When I use in html 

The rendering by SM is superb

BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB


To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79
pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified
picture which is 14 KB

And the rendering of this picture  by SM is
poor.

Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied
the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before
showing it in the final page ?

Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright
idea ?


view / page info
select media tab
find your image / save as


That just saves the file containing the original large image, as linked 
from the HTML source, not the 79x79 pixel image as displayed on screen. 
The image displayed on screen doesn't exist as a file, only in 
SeaMonkey's memory.


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Re: BIG IMAGE

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Ray_Net wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27:

Ray_Net wrote:

I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels

When I use in html 

The rendering by SM is superb

BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB


To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79
pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture
which is 14 KB

And the rendering of this picture  by SM is
poor.


I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at
more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have
the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI
monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might
also affect the scaling.

If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that
image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down
to 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79
pixel image scaled up to 158x158.


The zoom was and is always at 100%
I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so
each logo have the same height 79.


Any other image would also be affected by any scaling, so setting both 
to 79 would indeed make the sizes match, but that doesn't necessarily 
mean they're displayed as 79 pixels on screen.



You can see the result at the end of this page:
http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr


For me with SeaMonkey set to 100% those images do indeed render as 79 
pixels height on screen, so it's probably not that unless you're using a 
high-resolution monitor (where the image would need to be rendered large 
in terms of pixels to appear the same size as on a conventional monitor).


I'm guessing it's the "UPMM" logo that you're working on, since that's 
the one that's significantly large than displayed. Since it's a logo 
with large blocks of colour, you might get better quality (and possibly 
also better compression) by using PNG rather than JPEG format. If 
possible, start with a "clean" version of the logo, which has never been 
saved as JPEG.



Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied
the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before
showing it in the final page ?

Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?


As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image
editor can have an impact on the final quality.

If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you
should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste
into an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture
function within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create >
Screen Shot, I don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen
capture to just the image you want and save it. You'll also find
out that way whether it's really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on
screen or something more.


I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor.


That is odd. It should capture exactly what SeaMonkey is displaying! 
Perhaps the problem is with the process of saving the file. Definitely 
try using PNG rather than JPEG. JPEG is more optimised for compressing 
photos, where colours are continuously variable and edges are not 
particularly sharp, and takes advantage of that. It tends to give odd 
artefacts around sharp edges on logos though. PNG is lossless, so 
doesn't affect the image, and does a good job of compressing images with 
large blocks of the same colour (like logos) - but it's not so good for 
photos.


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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Lee]

On 1/28/17, Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> wrote:
> mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27:
>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>> I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels
>>>
>>> When I use in html >> width="79" border="0"/>
>>>
>>> The rendering by SM is superb
>>>
>>> BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
>>> picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
>>> 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB
>>>
>>>
>>> To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x
>>> 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14
>>> KB
>>>
>>> And the rendering of this picture >> src="logo-small.jpg" height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is
>>> poor.
>>
>> I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at
>> more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have
>> the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI
>> monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might
>> also affect the scaling.
>>
>> If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that
>> image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to
>> 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel
>> image scaled up to 158x158.
>>
> The zoom was and is always at 100%
> I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so each
> logo have the same height 79.
> You can see the result at the end of this page:
> http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr
>>> Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied
>>> the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before
>>> showing it in the final page ?
>>>
>>> Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?
>>
>> As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image
>> editor can have an impact on the final quality.
>>
>> If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you
>> should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into
>> an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function
>> within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I
>> don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the
>> image you want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's
>> really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more.
>>
> I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor.

view / page info
select media tab
find your image / save as

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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Lee]

On 1/27/17, Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> wrote:
> EE wrote on 27-01-17 21:46:
>> Pete wrote:
>>>> Well, of course. You've reduced the quality by orders of magnitude.
>>>
>>> I think that what the OP is saying is that SM does a much better job of
>>> resizing the image than IrfanView, and he wants to know how (or what
>>> software to use) to get a better quality smaller image.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>> If it is a jpeg file, save it with 100% instead of using the default.
>> You lose less data that way.
>>
> It was saved with 100% 

Which doesn't get you any compression.  Can you try this:

open original image in irfanview
R (Image / Resize/Resample)
select radio button for Set new size
set Width: 79
select radio button for Units: pixels
Set check mark for Preserve aspect ratio
Clear check mark for Apply sharpen after Resample, Adjust DPI based on new sizes
select Size method: radio button Resample (better quality), use Filter
select Lanczos (slowest) from drop-down menu
Clear check marks for Use fast Resample filter for image shrinking,
Try to improve gamma for Resample
OK

File / Save as
Save as type: JPG - JPG/JPEG Format
Set check mark for Show options dialog

1st try:
clear all check marks on JPEG/GIF save options window except for
- Try to save with original JPG quality
Save

2nd try:
clear check mark for Try to save with original JPG quality
set Save quality slider to 75
Save


What I got for a 2MB file with an image quality 96:
- Save with original quality results in 5KB file
- Save with quality: 75 results in 2KB file

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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27:

Ray_Net wrote:

I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels

When I use in html 

The rendering by SM is superb

BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB


To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x
79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14
KB

And the rendering of this picture  by SM is
poor.


I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at 
more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have 
the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI 
monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might 
also affect the scaling.


If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that 
image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to 
158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel 
image scaled up to 158x158.



The zoom was and is always at 100%
I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so each 
logo have the same height 79.
You can see the result at the end of this page: 
http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr

Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied
the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before
showing it in the final page ?

Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?


As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image 
editor can have an impact on the final quality.


If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you 
should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into 
an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function 
within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I 
don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the 
image you want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's 
really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more.



I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor.
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Re: BIG IMAGE

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Ray_Net wrote:

I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels

When I use in html 

The rendering by SM is superb

BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB


To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x
79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14
KB

And the rendering of this picture  by SM is
poor.


I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at 
more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have the 
zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI monitor? I'm 
not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might also affect the 
scaling.


If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that image 
to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to 158x158 
pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel image 
scaled up to 158x158.



Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied
the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before
showing it in the final page ?

Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?


As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image 
editor can have an impact on the final quality.


If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you should 
be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into an image 
editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function within the 
application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I don't know 
about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the image you 
want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's really 
being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more.


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Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Alex Beauroy]

On 28/01/2017 00:12, Ray_Net wrote:

Lucas Levrel wrote on 27-01-17 22:40:

Le 27 janvier 2017, à 19:32, Mason83 a écrit :


Would you say "presque mieux" is equivalent to
"presque aussi bien/bon" ?


No. There is an intended, amusing contradiction in "presque mieux",
just as in "almost better". This somehow says "it is better but I dare
not say it is".

Exactly, you have well understood the background of my thought.

Even better!!!
Best Regards
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Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

Lucas Levrel wrote on 27-01-17 22:40:

Le 27 janvier 2017, à 19:32, Mason83 a écrit :


Would you say "presque mieux" is equivalent to
"presque aussi bien/bon" ?


No. There is an intended, amusing contradiction in "presque mieux", 
just as in "almost better". This somehow says "it is better but I dare 
not say it is".

Exactly, you have well understood the background of my thought.
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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

EE wrote on 27-01-17 21:46:

Pete wrote:

Well, of course. You've reduced the quality by orders of magnitude.


I think that what the OP is saying is that SM does a much better job of
resizing the image than IrfanView, and he wants to know how (or what
software to use) to get a better quality smaller image.

Peter

If it is a jpeg file, save it with 100% instead of using the default. 
You lose less data that way.



It was saved with 100% 
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Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Mason83]

On 27/01/2017 22:40, Lucas Levrel wrote:

> Le 27 janvier 2017, à 19:32, Mason83 a écrit :
> 
>> Would you say "presque mieux" is equivalent to
>> "presque aussi bien/bon" ?
> 
> No. There is an intended, amusing contradiction in "presque mieux", just 
> as in "almost better". This somehow says "it is better but I dare not say 
> it is".
> 
>> So, if "X est presque mieux que Y", then X is in fact not
>> as good as Y; is that correct?
> 
> Rather: you were not expecting X to be as good as Y, but it turns out to 
> be as good, or maybe even slightly better.

I see. Thanks for the clarifications ;-)

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Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 27 janvier 2017, à 19:32, Mason83 a écrit :


Would you say "presque mieux" is equivalent to
"presque aussi bien/bon" ?


No. There is an intended, amusing contradiction in "presque mieux", just 
as in "almost better". This somehow says "it is better but I dare not say 
it is".



So, if "X est presque mieux que Y", then X is in fact not
as good as Y; is that correct?


Rather: you were not expecting X to be as good as Y, but it turns out to 
be as good, or maybe even slightly better.


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Re: BIG IMAGE

[EE]

Pete wrote:

Well, of course. You've reduced the quality by orders of magnitude.


I think that what the OP is saying is that SM does a much better job of
resizing the image than IrfanView, and he wants to know how (or what
software to use) to get a better quality smaller image.

Peter

If it is a jpeg file, save it with 100% instead of using the default. 
You lose less data that way.


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Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Mason83]

On 27/01/2017 17:54, Ray_Net wrote:
> Mason83 wrote on 27-01-17 16:08:
>> On 27/01/2017 15:10, Ray_Net wrote:
>>
>>> then X is nearly better than
>>
>> "nearly better" is a hard concept to grasp ;-)
>
> Sorry, my mother language is french and I use "Presque mieux" than 
> Who can be translated as "Almost better"  Did you better understand 
> this ?

Would you say "presque mieux" is equivalent to
"presque aussi bien/bon" ?

So, if "X est presque mieux que Y", then X is in fact not
as good as Y; is that correct?

Regards.

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Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

Mason83 wrote on 27-01-17 16:08:

On 27/01/2017 15:10, Ray_Net wrote:


then X is nearly better than

"nearly better" is a hard concept to grasp ;-)

Sorry, my mother language is french and I use "Presque mieux" than 
Who can be translated as "Almost better"  Did you better understand 
this ?

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Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Mason83]

On 27/01/2017 15:10, Ray_Net wrote:

> then X is nearly better than

"nearly better" is a hard concept to grasp ;-)

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THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

Ray_Net wrote on 27-01-17 01:51:

I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels

When I use in html width="79" border="0"/>


The rendering by SM is superb

BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this 
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB



To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 
79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB


And the rendering of this picture height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is poor.



Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied 
the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before 
showing it in the final page ?


Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?

Thanks a lot for all the ideas, finally
I used Irfanview to resample to 600x600  and I Sharpen before the save.
So now from 1852x1852 = 2.042 MB to 600x600 = 298KB
then displaying with the "height="79" width="79"" option is nearly 
better than SM rendering of the big picture.


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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 27-01-17 04:13:

Richard Alan wrote:


Ray_Net wrote:


I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels When I use in html

The rendering by SM is superb


Stands to reason...


BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB


KB? Not likely. You meant MB - megabytes - right?


He's probably using the European delimiter system, where commas and 
periods are transposed. So his "2.042" is the American "2,042."



Yes, 2.042 KB is nearly 2 MB ... sorryr to be European :-)
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Re: BIG IMAGE

[David E. Ross]

On 1/26/2017 9:11 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>> I tried to recreate your problem.  However, a very sharp JPEG file
>> that is 1852x1852 px is only 750 KB on my PC.
> 
> Image file size depends both on the number of pixels and on the color 
> depth. 1852×1852×2/8=857,476 bytes = 837.38 kB (black and white) is much 
> less than 1852×1852×1,048,576/8=449,564,377,088 bytes = 439,027,712 kB = 
> 428,738 MB (true color).
> 
> I haven't bothered to account for check bits and the efficiency achieved 
> by the lossy JPEG format, but the principle holds: color depth affects 
> file size.
> 
I took a color photograph 2615 x 1656 px with 24-bit true color and a
resolution of 350 px/in.  The file size was 1.18 MB (European 1,18 MB).

I went and repeated my analysis but with different steps.  This time, I
resized it to 1852 x 1852 px, which distorted it.  The resulting file
was 2.12 MB (European 2,12 MB).  I then reduced it to 500 x 500 px,
which still looked quite sharp.  That resulted in a 90 KB file.

Previously, I cropped the photo to get a square 1656 x 1656 px image and
then resized it to 1852 x 1852 px.  Obviously, cropping caused a loss of
pixels and thus a reduced file size.  Ooops!

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At the least, I want to hear his voice.

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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


I tried to recreate your problem.  However, a very sharp JPEG file
that is 1852x1852 px is only 750 KB on my PC.


Image file size depends both on the number of pixels and on the color 
depth. 1852×1852×2/8=857,476 bytes = 837.38 kB (black and white) is much 
less than 1852×1852×1,048,576/8=449,564,377,088 bytes = 439,027,712 kB = 
428,738 MB (true color).


I haven't bothered to account for check bits and the efficiency achieved 
by the lossy JPEG format, but the principle holds: color depth affects 
file size.


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Re: BIG IMAGE

[David E. Ross]

On 1/26/2017 4:51 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels
> 
> When I use in html  border="0"/>
> 
> The rendering by SM is superb
> 
> BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this 
> picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852 
> which is 2.042 KB
> 
> 
> To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79 
> pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB
> 
> And the rendering of this picture  height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is poor.
> 
> 
> Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the 
> reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before showing 
> it in the final page ?
> 
> Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?
> 

I tried to recreate your problem.  However, a very sharp JPEG file that
is 1852x1852 px is only 750 KB on my PC.

Since your image is square, try resizing it to 600x600 px.  That would
be a file slightly smaller than 1/9 of the original.  Viewed at 79x79
px, it should still be sharp and significantly smaller.

If it is not sharp enough after resizing, some image-editing
applications allow you to increase the pixel density.  Do that BEFORE
resizing.  Just be careful not to undo the benefit of resizing.

-- 
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At the least, I want to hear his voice.

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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Jonathan N. Little]

Richard Alan wrote:
> Ray_Net wrote:
> 
>> I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels
>> When I use in html > border="0"/>  The rendering by SM is superb
> 
> Stands to reason...
> 
>> BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
>> picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852
>> which is 2.042 KB
> 
> KB? Not likely. You meant MB - megabytes - right?
> 
>> To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79
>> pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB
> 
> That's more reasonable.
>> And the rendering of this picture > height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is poor.
> 
> Well, of course. You've reduced the quality by orders of magnitude.
> 

When reducing choose resampling over resize and pick filter for better
quality. After resampling, especially so severely, try sharping the
results, SHIFT+S


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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Pete]

Well, of course. You've reduced the quality by orders of magnitude.


I think that what the OP is saying is that SM does a much better job of 
resizing the image than IrfanView, and he wants to know how (or what 
software to use) to get a better quality smaller image.


Peter

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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Richard Alan wrote:


Ray_Net wrote:


I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels When I use in html

The rendering by SM is superb


Stands to reason...


BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture
1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB


KB? Not likely. You meant MB - megabytes - right?


He's probably using the European delimiter system, where commas and 
periods are transposed. So his "2.042" is the American "2,042."


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Re: BIG IMAGE

[Richard Alan]

Ray_Net wrote:

> I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels
> When I use in html  border="0"/>  The rendering by SM is superb

Stands to reason...

> BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this
> picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852
> which is 2.042 KB

KB? Not likely. You meant MB - megabytes - right?

> To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79
> pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB

That's more reasonable.
> And the rendering of this picture  height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is poor.

Well, of course. You've reduced the quality by orders of magnitude.

> Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the
> reduction to 79x79

The height and width numbers in the HTML is what reduced the visual size 
of the image. SeaMonkey was instructed to do that by the web page.

> - then save this new file somewhere - before showing
> it in the final page ?

Not if you re-save it and call it a different file name.

> Can I retrieve this picture.file ? 

http://unknownwebsite.com/images/

> Or have you another bright idea ?

Are YOU authoring this page? Give the URL.
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BIG IMAGE

[Ray_Net]

I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels

When I use in html border="0"/>


The rendering by SM is superb

BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this 
picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852 
which is 2.042 KB



To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79 
pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB


And the rendering of this picture height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is poor.



Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the 
reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before showing 
it in the final page ?


Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ?
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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Daniel]

On 17/08/2016 8:43 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Daniel,

the build process was more or less broken in the last few months. Mozilla 
changed
it largely to be cloud based and because of it no new versions. This is still
being sorted out and 2.45 is the next planned release. But until then there is 
no
official release available.

Adrian Kalla provides unoffcial releases which you can use:

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-com
m-release-windows32/

Bug reports against them are accepted but if an official release comes out you
need to download the full installer. It will not auto update itself to the
official one.

There are also various internal en_US test releases available which at least 
under
Windows should be fine too for daily use. The latest for Windows is located 
here:

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-11-20-17-50-comm-
release/

It contains the Aero Preview fix. Clearing the history using clear private data 
is
broken in both builds. Its fixed already and will be in any release later than
08/13. If you need this function you can delete history items via the sidebar.

If you use any of these internal releases back up you profile or you will not be
able to go back to 2.40 if you encounter problems. The internal database version
has changed for some parts but you can alway install a later version over the
current one. Profile data will be preserved and upgraded if needed.

  Regards
  Frank-Rainer Grahl


Thanks, Frank-Rainer, I'm happy to wait for the real Win32 release, ... 
whenever it comes out!! ;-)


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Daniel,

the build process was more or less broken in the last few months. Mozilla 
changed 
it largely to be cloud based and because of it no new versions. This is still 
being sorted out and 2.45 is the next planned release. But until then there is 
no 
official release available.

Adrian Kalla provides unoffcial releases which you can use: 

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-com
m-release-windows32/

Bug reports against them are accepted but if an official release comes out you 
need to download the full installer. It will not auto update itself to the 
official one.

There are also various internal en_US test releases available which at least 
under 
Windows should be fine too for daily use. The latest for Windows is located 
here:

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-11-20-17-50-comm-
release/

It contains the Aero Preview fix. Clearing the history using clear private data 
is 
broken in both builds. Its fixed already and will be in any release later than 
08/13. If you need this function you can delete history items via the sidebar.

If you use any of these internal releases back up you profile or you will not 
be 
able to go back to 2.40 if you encounter problems. The internal database 
version 
has changed for some parts but you can alway install a later version over the 
current one. Profile data will be preserved and upgraded if needed.



On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:40:16 +1000, Daniel wrote:

>>On 17/08/2016 10:21 AM, W3BNR wrote:

>>> Thank you - downloaded and installed 2.45.
>>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:48.0) 
>>> Gecko/20100101
>>> Firefox/48.0 SeaMonkey/2.45
>>> Build identifier: 20160812205144
>>>
>>In my Win7 SM 2.40, if I select Help->Check for updates, I'm told there 
>>are none! If I click on the SeaMonkey at top right of the Browser 
>>screen, I'm taken to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ and it is still 
>>offering SM 2.40
>>
>>So is Ed using a Beta version, a private development version or is the 
>>Win64 version available but no Win32 version??
>>
>>-- 
>>Daniel
>>
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
>>SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951
>>or
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
>>SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501


 Regards
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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Daniel]

On 17/08/2016 10:21 AM, W3BNR wrote:

On 08/16/16 6:22 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Will not be fixed for 2.44. Fixed for 2.45 and up as of 08/11.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:49:20 -0400, W3BNR wrote:


I confirm this with:
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:47.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/47.0 SeaMonkey/2.44
Build identifier: 20160608085536



  Regards
  Frank-Rainer Grahl



Thank you - downloaded and installed 2.45.
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:48.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/48.0 SeaMonkey/2.45
Build identifier: 20160812205144

In my Win7 SM 2.40, if I select Help->Check for updates, I'm told there 
are none! If I click on the SeaMonkey at top right of the Browser 
screen, I'm taken to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ and it is still 
offering SM 2.40


So is Ed using a Beta version, a private development version or is the 
Win64 version available but no Win32 version??


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SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[W3BNR]

On 08/16/16 6:22 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Will not be fixed for 2.44. Fixed for 2.45 and up as of 08/11.
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:49:20 -0400, W3BNR wrote:
>
>>> I confirm this with:
>>> User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:47.0) 
>>> Gecko/20100101 
>>> Firefox/47.0 SeaMonkey/2.44
>>> Build identifier: 20160608085536
>
>
>  Regards
>  Frank-Rainer Grahl
>
>
Thank you - downloaded and installed 2.45. 
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:48.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/48.0 SeaMonkey/2.45
Build identifier: 20160812205144

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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Will not be fixed for 2.44. Fixed for 2.45 and up as of 08/11.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:49:20 -0400, W3BNR wrote:

>> I confirm this with:

>> User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:47.0) 
>> Gecko/20100101 
>> Firefox/47.0 SeaMonkey/2.44
>> Build identifier: 20160608085536



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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[W3BNR]

  
  
On 08/14/16 12:50 AM, djc wrote:

I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases,
  but don't know the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I
  presume this has been reported.
  
  
  The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle -
  they always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
  
  Firefox 48 is OK.
  
  
  This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
  Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).
  
  
  User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
  
  Build identifier: 20160807152714
  
  
  Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a
  even a bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.
  
  
  djc
  
  
  
  

I confirm this with:
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:47.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/47.0 SeaMonkey/2.44
Build identifier: 20160608085536

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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[djc]

Thanks F-R. That is exactly like it. Hopefully akalla can release an 
updated win64 version in the next few weeks. I'll look out for a win32 
release in the mean time.


Cheers, djc


On 15/08/2016 8:29 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

That ist likely bug 1256714. It has been fixed since 08/11. There is still a
problem with Aero previews when you set the zoom factor < 100%. This is Bug
1269810 and is in the Mozilla code. While I opened this one against Firefox its
likely a toolkit bug but no one on the Mozilla side showed interest in it so 
far.
Still unconfirmed.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:10:51 +1000, djc wrote:


On 15/08/2016 1:16 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 8/14/2016 at 12:50 AM, djc's prodigious digits fired off:

I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know
the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been
reported.

The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they
always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
Firefox 48 is OK.

This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
Build identifier: 20160807152714

Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a
bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.

djc





Try searching for "throbber" on Bugzilla. That's what the moving icon is
called.


Thanks Ed.

To clarify, I'm not referring to the Seamonkey throbber (green? progress
bar - I'm somewhat red-green colour blind). It's the Windows 10 display
when the mouse hovers over the seamonkey icon on the task bar that is
not updated.

I have now installed the same seamonkey-2.48a1

[from Adrian Kalla's unofficial page
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-c

omm-central-windows64/

seamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win64.installer.exe 2016-08-07 19:50 39M]

on a notebook running windows 10 Pro Version 1511 Build 10586.545 (i.e.
the pre anniversary release),

I did not reset the profile and this is working fine.

So it's as though Win 1607 is not recognising SM 2.48 telling it what
the page looks like so the Windows hover can display the image - though
why that should change beats me since the same version works on Win 1511.

Unfortunately I can't upgrade the notebook to Win 1607 - it hangs when
rebooting after the install. Power cycling takes it back to Win1511
whence it provides a cryptic error message which indicates driver
issues. Boo hiss. Makes it difficult to confirm that the Win upgrade
causes the problem.

I'll try the latest 32 bit nightly on Win 1607 and raise a bug if it fails.
http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-18-13-com

m-central-trunk/

Fileseamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win32.installer.exe  33M 10-Aug-2016 
08:34

Cheers, djc






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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

That ist likely bug 1256714. It has been fixed since 08/11. There is still a 
problem with Aero previews when you set the zoom factor < 100%. This is Bug 
1269810 and is in the Mozilla code. While I opened this one against Firefox its 
likely a toolkit bug but no one on the Mozilla side showed interest in it so 
far. 
Still unconfirmed.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:10:51 +1000, djc wrote:

>>On 15/08/2016 1:16 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 8/14/2016 at 12:50 AM, djc's prodigious digits fired off:
>>>> I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know
>>>> the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been
>>>> reported.
>>>>
>>>> The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they
>>>> always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
>>>> Firefox 48 is OK.
>>>>
>>>> This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
>>>> Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).
>>>>
>>>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
>>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
>>>> Build identifier: 20160807152714
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a
>>>> bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.
>>>>
>>>> djc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Try searching for "throbber" on Bugzilla. That's what the moving icon is
>>> called.
>>>
>>Thanks Ed.
>>
>>To clarify, I'm not referring to the Seamonkey throbber (green? progress 
>>bar - I'm somewhat red-green colour blind). It's the Windows 10 display 
>>when the mouse hovers over the seamonkey icon on the task bar that is 
>>not updated.
>>
>>I have now installed the same seamonkey-2.48a1
>>
>>[from Adrian Kalla's unofficial page
>>https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-c
omm-central-windows64/
>>seamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win64.installer.exe 2016-08-07 19:50   39M]
>>
>>on a notebook running windows 10 Pro Version 1511 Build 10586.545 (i.e. 
>>the pre anniversary release),
>>
>>I did not reset the profile and this is working fine.
>>
>>So it's as though Win 1607 is not recognising SM 2.48 telling it what 
>>the page looks like so the Windows hover can display the image - though 
>>why that should change beats me since the same version works on Win 1511.
>>
>>Unfortunately I can't upgrade the notebook to Win 1607 - it hangs when 
>>rebooting after the install. Power cycling takes it back to Win1511 
>>whence it provides a cryptic error message which indicates driver 
>>issues. Boo hiss. Makes it difficult to confirm that the Win upgrade 
>>causes the problem.
>>
>>I'll try the latest 32 bit nightly on Win 1607 and raise a bug if it fails.
>>http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-18-13-com
m-central-trunk/
>>File  seamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win32.installer.exe  33M 10-Aug-2016 
>>08:34
>>
>>Cheers, djc
>>
>>
>>


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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[djc]

I'll continue the top post :)

Thanks F-R. However I am trying the Win 64 bit since I have an 
experimental system and I think the "official" archive is only 32 bit 
Windows. At least, I can't find a win64 version.


Hence Adrian Kalla's latest from about a week ago
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-windows64/seamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win64.installer.exe

But I'll give the latest win32 a go

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-18-13-comm-central-trunk/
Fileseamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win32.installer.exe  33M 10-Aug-2016 
08:34

If it fails, i'll go back until one works :( I had been on 2.40
Please see my response to Ed Mullen.

djc

PS. I agree with your sentiments about unwanted crap.

On 14/08/2016 9:08 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

I just tried it with the latest available Nightly and it works fine.

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-30-02-comm-
central-trunk/

If you can't get it resolved please open a bug report.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 12:18:18 +0200 (MEZ), Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


Do you have any userchrome code in the profile which uses the progress

attribute?

Any tab extensions?

Does it occur with a fresh profile?

Works fine here using a locally compiled Seamonkey but I cleaned out the
Anniversary Update to at least make it usable and use it only for testing in a

VM.

This is such a sh*tty release and getting rid of forced adds web search and ads

eh

suggestions took a lot.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:50:15 +1000, djc wrote:


I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know
the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been
reported.

The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they
always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
Firefox 48 is OK.

This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
Build identifier: 20160807152714

Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a
bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.

djc






Regards
Frank-Rainer Grahl





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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[djc]

On 15/08/2016 1:16 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 8/14/2016 at 12:50 AM, djc's prodigious digits fired off:

I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know
the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been
reported.

The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they
always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
Firefox 48 is OK.

This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
Build identifier: 20160807152714

Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a
bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.

djc





Try searching for "throbber" on Bugzilla. That's what the moving icon is
called.


Thanks Ed.

To clarify, I'm not referring to the Seamonkey throbber (green? progress 
bar - I'm somewhat red-green colour blind). It's the Windows 10 display 
when the mouse hovers over the seamonkey icon on the task bar that is 
not updated.


I have now installed the same seamonkey-2.48a1

[from Adrian Kalla's unofficial page
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-windows64/
seamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win64.installer.exe 2016-08-07 19:50 39M]

on a notebook running windows 10 Pro Version 1511 Build 10586.545 (i.e. 
the pre anniversary release),


I did not reset the profile and this is working fine.

So it's as though Win 1607 is not recognising SM 2.48 telling it what 
the page looks like so the Windows hover can display the image - though 
why that should change beats me since the same version works on Win 1511.


Unfortunately I can't upgrade the notebook to Win 1607 - it hangs when 
rebooting after the install. Power cycling takes it back to Win1511 
whence it provides a cryptic error message which indicates driver 
issues. Boo hiss. Makes it difficult to confirm that the Win upgrade 
causes the problem.


I'll try the latest 32 bit nightly on Win 1607 and raise a bug if it fails.
http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-18-13-comm-central-trunk/
Fileseamonkey-2.48a1.en-US.win32.installer.exe  33M 10-Aug-2016 
08:34

Cheers, djc



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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Ed Mullen]

On 8/14/2016 at 12:50 AM, djc's prodigious digits fired off:

I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know
the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been
reported.

The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they
always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
Firefox 48 is OK.

This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
Build identifier: 20160807152714

Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a
bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.

djc





Try searching for "throbber" on Bugzilla. That's what the moving icon is 
called.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[djc]

Thanks Frank-Rainer.

The profile is pretty clean. No chrome, no add-ons apart from 
experimenting with the embedded calendar, which seems to be OK (once I 
learned about the google-provider plug-in). But the problem occurred 
before then.


I also have the problem when restarting with add-ons disabled.
I'll build a completely fresh profile tomorrow and see what happens. If 
I still have the problem I'll raise a bug report.


This is a test machine (it usually runs grid software - theskynet, 
worldcommunitygrid) so it's no great drama.


Cheers, djc

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

I just tried it with the latest available Nightly and it works fine.

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-30-02-comm-
central-trunk/

If you can't get it resolved please open a bug report.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 12:18:18 +0200 (MEZ), Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


Do you have any userchrome code in the profile which uses the progress

attribute?

Any tab extensions?

Does it occur with a fresh profile?

Works fine here using a locally compiled Seamonkey but I cleaned out the
Anniversary Update to at least make it usable and use it only for testing in a

VM.

This is such a sh*tty release and getting rid of forced adds web search and ads

eh

suggestions took a lot.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:50:15 +1000, djc wrote:


I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know
the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been
reported.

The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they
always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
Firefox 48 is OK.

This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10
Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
Build identifier: 20160807152714

Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a
bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.

djc






Regards
Frank-Rainer Grahl





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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I just tried it with the latest available Nightly and it works fine. 

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/2016/08/2016-08-10-00-30-02-comm-
central-trunk/

If you can't get it resolved please open a bug report.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 12:18:18 +0200 (MEZ), Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

>>Do you have any userchrome code in the profile which uses the progress 
attribute? 
>>Any tab extensions?
>>
>>Does it occur with a fresh profile? 
>>
>>Works fine here using a locally compiled Seamonkey but I cleaned out the 
>>Anniversary Update to at least make it usable and use it only for testing in 
>>a 
VM. 
>>This is such a sh*tty release and getting rid of forced adds web search and 
>>ads 
eh 
>>suggestions took a lot. 
>>
>>On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:50:15 +1000, djc wrote:
>>
I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know 
the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been 
reported.

The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they 
always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
Firefox 48 is OK.

This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10 
Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
Build identifier: 20160807152714

Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a 
bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.

djc



>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Frank-Rainer Grahl
>>
>>


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Re: Seamonkey 2.48a1 64bit (and 2.47a1 32-bit), win10 and task bar "image" never stops - spinner always present

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Do you have any userchrome code in the profile which uses the progress 
attribute? 
Any tab extensions?

Does it occur with a fresh profile? 

Works fine here using a locally compiled Seamonkey but I cleaned out the 
Anniversary Update to at least make it usable and use it only for testing in a 
VM. 
This is such a sh*tty release and getting rid of forced adds web search and ads 
eh 
suggestions took a lot. 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:50:15 +1000, djc wrote:

>>I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know 
>>the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been 
>>reported.
>>
>>The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they 
>>always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.
>>Firefox 48 is OK.
>>
>>This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10 
>>Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).
>>
>>User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0) 
>>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1
>>Build identifier: 20160807152714
>>
>>Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a 
>>bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.
>>
>>djc
>>
>>
>>


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[djc]

I am experimenting with the latest Seamonkey releases, but don't know 
the best words to use for a bugzilla search. I presume this has been 
reported.


The images for the browser pages on the task bar never settle - they 
always show the "spinning" circle. Mailer (newsgroups) is OK.

Firefox 48 is OK.

This happens with both 2.47a1 32 bit and 2.48a1 64 bit, win 10 
Anniversary release (Windows 10 Home 1607 Release).


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:51.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48a1

Build identifier: 20160807152714

Can anyone provide me with either the appropriate key words or a even a 
bug number? I'm ahppy to try to raise a bug.


djc



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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 21:06:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 16:03:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 00:55:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 21:17:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image
file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information,
but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an
image
and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file
when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of
ImageCacheViewer, the
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the
image to
the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with
this
image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution. "Unfortunately,"
I am
a linux user and need a solution I can use here.

A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that
will
only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory
while the browser is operating.

Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool
and
I will keep looking myself.

Dave

Could this one help ?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/



It is unclear to me what additional features this add-on offers from
the description, and given it is a FireFox add-on it would need to be
converted to run with SeaMonkey.

Sometimes there is no need for a conversion.


Does anyone have it installed and can tell me if it is possible to
get
the actual full file name for a cached image file with it?

You tell me that i must install this extension on my SM to do your
test ?
What will you do with this file name:
~/.cache/mozilla/seamonkey/{SALT}.default/Cache/A/32/2D35Fd01 ?
The only way to catch it into an image-program is to see it per
exemple
inside https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/
and do there a "COPY" then start your prefered image-program and do a
"PASTE".
Normally all image-programs are unable to open a file when this
filename
did not contains an "image-extension" like .jpg.



I was not telling you to do so.  I was simply asking if anyone who
already had it installed could tell me in advance if it had the
feature I needed.

Many programs, Gimp for example, don't mind working without an
extension and inspect the file content to see if they recognize it. So
while the extension makes it easier for users to determine what a file
is by inspection it is by no means a requirement.

Dave

Anyway when you are on a page, you can simply rigth-click on an image
and take the choice "Copy Image" ..then you "paste" it into your program
without the need of a filename.


I saw that choice, but when I attempted to do so with the program I
wanted to paste the image into what was pasted was the URI, not the
image itself.  I had assumed that this would be universal, but given
your suggestion I tried another program and found it pasted the image
as desired.

This suggests of course that the program needs to be fixed.  As this
was the sole reason for this thread, I will consider this topic closed.

Dave

Sometimes, I got also the URI instead of the image, so I modify my actions:
1. When you are on a page, you can simply rigth-click on an image
and take the choice "VIEW Image"
2. Then a new SM window opens with only that image in the center.
3. Then you can simply rigth-click on an image
and take the choice "COPY Image".
4. Paste into your program.


I tried this and unfortunately still get the URI pasted in the program I 
was attempting to use this with.  I get the image pasted in gimp, so it 
seems that the program is the problem.  I am in contact with the 
maintainer, so perhaps this can be fixed in a later release.


Thanks for your suggestions.

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Re: image files in disk cache

[Ray_Net]

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 21:06:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 16:03:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 00:55:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 21:17:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:
I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image 
file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, 
but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an 
image

and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file
when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of
ImageCacheViewer, the
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the 
image to

the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with 
this

image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution. "Unfortunately," 
I am

a linux user and need a solution I can use here.

A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that 
will

only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory
while the browser is operating.

Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool
and
I will keep looking myself.

Dave

Could this one help ?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/



It is unclear to me what additional features this add-on offers from
the description, and given it is a FireFox add-on it would need to be
converted to run with SeaMonkey.

Sometimes there is no need for a conversion.


Does anyone have it installed and can tell me if it is possible to 
get

the actual full file name for a cached image file with it?

You tell me that i must install this extension on my SM to do your
test ?
What will you do with this file name:
~/.cache/mozilla/seamonkey/{SALT}.default/Cache/A/32/2D35Fd01 ?
The only way to catch it into an image-program is to see it per 
exemple

inside https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/
and do there a "COPY" then start your prefered image-program and do a
"PASTE".
Normally all image-programs are unable to open a file when this 
filename

did not contains an "image-extension" like .jpg.



I was not telling you to do so.  I was simply asking if anyone who
already had it installed could tell me in advance if it had the
feature I needed.

Many programs, Gimp for example, don't mind working without an
extension and inspect the file content to see if they recognize it. So
while the extension makes it easier for users to determine what a file
is by inspection it is by no means a requirement.

Dave

Anyway when you are on a page, you can simply rigth-click on an image
and take the choice "Copy Image" ..then you "paste" it into your program
without the need of a filename.


I saw that choice, but when I attempted to do so with the program I 
wanted to paste the image into what was pasted was the URI, not the 
image itself.  I had assumed that this would be universal, but given 
your suggestion I tried another program and found it pasted the image 
as desired.


This suggests of course that the program needs to be fixed.  As this 
was the sole reason for this thread, I will consider this topic closed.


Dave

Sometimes, I got also the URI instead of the image, so I modify my actions:
1. When you are on a page, you can simply rigth-click on an image
and take the choice "VIEW Image"
2. Then a new SM window opens with only that image in the center.
3. Then you can simply rigth-click on an image
and take the choice "COPY Image".
4. Paste into your program.
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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 16:03:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 00:55:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 21:17:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an image
and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file
when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of
ImageCacheViewer, the
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the image to
the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with this
image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution. "Unfortunately," I am
a linux user and need a solution I can use here.

A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that will
only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory
while the browser is operating.

Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool
and
I will keep looking myself.

Dave

Could this one help ?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/



It is unclear to me what additional features this add-on offers from
the description, and given it is a FireFox add-on it would need to be
converted to run with SeaMonkey.

Sometimes there is no need for a conversion.


Does anyone have it installed and can tell me if it is possible to get
the actual full file name for a cached image file with it?

You tell me that i must install this extension on my SM to do your
test ?
What will you do with this file name:
~/.cache/mozilla/seamonkey/{SALT}.default/Cache/A/32/2D35Fd01 ?
The only way to catch it into an image-program is to see it per exemple
inside https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/
and do there a "COPY" then start your prefered image-program and do a
"PASTE".
Normally all image-programs are unable to open a file when this filename
did not contains an "image-extension" like .jpg.



I was not telling you to do so.  I was simply asking if anyone who
already had it installed could tell me in advance if it had the
feature I needed.

Many programs, Gimp for example, don't mind working without an
extension and inspect the file content to see if they recognize it. So
while the extension makes it easier for users to determine what a file
is by inspection it is by no means a requirement.

Dave

Anyway when you are on a page, you can simply rigth-click on an image
and take the choice "Copy Image" ..then you "paste" it into your program
without the need of a filename.


I saw that choice, but when I attempted to do so with the program I 
wanted to paste the image into what was pasted was the URI, not the 
image itself.  I had assumed that this would be universal, but given 
your suggestion I tried another program and found it pasted the image as 
desired.


This suggests of course that the program needs to be fixed.  As this was 
the sole reason for this thread, I will consider this topic closed.


Dave
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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 00:55:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 21:17:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an image
and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file
when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of ImageCacheViewer, the
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the image to
the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with this
image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution. "Unfortunately," I am
a linux user and need a solution I can use here.

A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that will
only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory
while the browser is operating.

Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool and
I will keep looking myself.

Dave

Could this one help ?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/



It is unclear to me what additional features this add-on offers from
the description, and given it is a FireFox add-on it would need to be
converted to run with SeaMonkey.

Sometimes there is no need for a conversion.


Does anyone have it installed and can tell me if it is possible to get
the actual full file name for a cached image file with it?

You tell me that i must install this extension on my SM to do your test ?
What will you do with this file name:
~/.cache/mozilla/seamonkey/{SALT}.default/Cache/A/32/2D35Fd01 ?
The only way to catch it into an image-program is to see it per exemple
inside https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/
and do there a "COPY" then start your prefered image-program and do a
"PASTE".
Normally all image-programs are unable to open a file when this filename
did not contains an "image-extension" like .jpg.



I was not telling you to do so.  I was simply asking if anyone who 
already had it installed could tell me in advance if it had the feature 
I needed.


Many programs, Gimp for example, don't mind working without an extension 
and inspect the file content to see if they recognize it.  So while the 
extension makes it easier for users to determine what a file is by 
inspection it is by no means a requirement.


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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

Lee wrote:

On 11/3/15, David H. Durgee <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file
in the disk cache from the media table in the page information,


do you mean view / page info / media tab ?



Yes, that is exactly where I was referring to.  I seem to recall at one 
point there being a way to select a media file there and on a pop-up 
menu entry having access to the full file name in the cache.  It has 
been long enough ago that I forget the specifics.



but at present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select
an image and save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need
the file for immediate use this requires me to take action to
delete this file when I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave


If I understand your question, Go->History .
I just tried it. Also found that using History's search box entering
"jpg" [without quotes] displayed only images in jpg format.



Nope, I am not after a link to the image file on the internet.  I am
after the actual location of the image file saved in the disk cache.

I am looking for an actual fully qualified file name that I can paste
into an "open file" type dialog to access the image file from the disk
cache.


I don't see anything that will give you the name of the file in cache,
but maybe browsing thru all the image files in cache would be close
enuf?  Something along the lines of

find $SEAMONKEYCACHEDIR -type f -exec file '{}' \; |\
   grep PNG | cut -d: -f1 |\
   awk '{ cmd="imageviewer " $0; print "" | cmd ; close(cmd)}'

where $SEAMONKEYCACHEDIR is the name of the SM top level cache
directory & "imageviewer" is the name of your image viewer program ?



Unfortunately there are thousands of images in the cache and and it 
would be simpler to "save as" the image and then use that than to take 
this approach.  I am hoping to save some steps, not add another one.


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Re: image files in disk cache

[Lee]

On 11/3/15, David H. Durgee <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> David H. Durgee wrote:
>>> I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file
>>> in the disk cache from the media table in the page information,

do you mean view / page info / media tab ?

>>> but at present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select
>>> an image and save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need
>>> the file for immediate use this requires me to take action to
>>> delete this file when I am done with it.
>>>
>>> Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
>>> without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
>>> situations?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> If I understand your question, Go->History .
>> I just tried it. Also found that using History's search box entering
>> "jpg" [without quotes] displayed only images in jpg format.
>>
>
> Nope, I am not after a link to the image file on the internet.  I am
> after the actual location of the image file saved in the disk cache.
>
> I am looking for an actual fully qualified file name that I can paste
> into an "open file" type dialog to access the image file from the disk
> cache.

I don't see anything that will give you the name of the file in cache,
but maybe browsing thru all the image files in cache would be close
enuf?  Something along the lines of

find $SEAMONKEYCACHEDIR -type f -exec file '{}' \; |\
  grep PNG | cut -d: -f1 |\
  awk '{ cmd="imageviewer " $0; print "" | cmd ; close(cmd)}'

where $SEAMONKEYCACHEDIR is the name of the SM top level cache
directory & "imageviewer" is the name of your image viewer program ?

Regards,
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Re: image files in disk cache

[Ray_Net]

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 16:03:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 04/11/2015 00:55:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 21:17:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an image
and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file
when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of 
ImageCacheViewer, the

image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the image to
the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with this
image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution. "Unfortunately," I am
a linux user and need a solution I can use here.

A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that will
only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory
while the browser is operating.

Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool 
and

I will keep looking myself.

Dave

Could this one help ?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/



It is unclear to me what additional features this add-on offers from
the description, and given it is a FireFox add-on it would need to be
converted to run with SeaMonkey.

Sometimes there is no need for a conversion.


Does anyone have it installed and can tell me if it is possible to get
the actual full file name for a cached image file with it?
You tell me that i must install this extension on my SM to do your 
test ?

What will you do with this file name:
~/.cache/mozilla/seamonkey/{SALT}.default/Cache/A/32/2D35Fd01 ?
The only way to catch it into an image-program is to see it per exemple
inside https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/
and do there a "COPY" then start your prefered image-program and do a
"PASTE".
Normally all image-programs are unable to open a file when this filename
did not contains an "image-extension" like .jpg.



I was not telling you to do so.  I was simply asking if anyone who 
already had it installed could tell me in advance if it had the 
feature I needed.


Many programs, Gimp for example, don't mind working without an 
extension and inspect the file content to see if they recognize it.  
So while the extension makes it easier for users to determine what a 
file is by inspection it is by no means a requirement.


Dave
Anyway when you are on a page, you can simply rigth-click on an image 
and take the choice "Copy Image" ..then you "paste" it into your program 
without the need of a filename.

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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

Richard Owlett wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file
in the disk cache from the media table in the page information,
but at present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select
an image and save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need
the file for immediate use this requires me to take action to
delete this file when I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave


If I understand your question, Go->History .
I just tried it. Also found that using History's search box entering
"jpg" [without quotes] displayed only images in jpg format.



Nope, I am not after a link to the image file on the internet.  I am 
after the actual location of the image file saved in the disk cache.


I am looking for an actual fully qualified file name that I can paste 
into an "open file" type dialog to access the image file from the disk 
cache.


Dave

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Re: image files in disk cache

[A Williams]

Richard Owlett wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file
in the disk cache from the media table in the page information,
but at present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select
an image and save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need
the file for immediate use this requires me to take action to
delete this file when I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave


If I understand your question, Go->History .
I just tried it. Also found that using History's search box entering
"jpg" [without quotes] displayed only images in jpg format.

HTH



does about:cache help you find what you want?
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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

A Williams wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file
in the disk cache from the media table in the page information,
but at present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select
an image and save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need
the file for immediate use this requires me to take action to
delete this file when I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave


If I understand your question, Go->History .
I just tried it. Also found that using History's search box entering
"jpg" [without quotes] displayed only images in jpg format.

HTH



does about:cache help you find what you want?


Not that I see.  I see the image file in the cache, but I don't see the 
file name.  I only see the "key" which is what seems to copy/paste as 
well and is a URI.


Dave
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Re: image files in disk cache

[Ray_Net]

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 21:17:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an image and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use 
situations?


Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of ImageCacheViewer, the
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the image to the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with this 
image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution.  "Unfortunately," I am 
a linux user and need a solution I can use here.


A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that will 
only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory 
while the browser is operating.


Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool and 
I will keep looking myself.


Dave

Could this one help ?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/

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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an image and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use situations?

Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of ImageCacheViewer, the
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the image to the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with this image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution.  "Unfortunately," I am a 
linux user and need a solution I can use here.


A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that will 
only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory while 
the browser is operating.


Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool and I 
will keep looking myself.


Dave
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Re: image files in disk cache

[Ray_Net]

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:
I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file in 
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, but at 
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an image and 
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for 
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file when 
I am done with it.


Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file 
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use situations?


Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of ImageCacheViewer, the 
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the image to the 
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.



then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with this image.
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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 21:17:

Ray_Net wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 03/11/2015 17:14:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file in
the disk cache from the media table in the page information, but at
present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select an image and
save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need the file for
immediate use this requires me to take action to delete this file when
I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave

You may use http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/image_cache_viewer.html
and .

When selecting a cache item in the upper pane of ImageCacheViewer, the
image is displayed in the lower pane, and you can copy the image to the
clipboard by pressing Ctrl+M.


then CTRL-V into IrfanView where you can do what you want with this
image.


Hmm, that seems to provide a Windows solution.  "Unfortunately," I am
a linux user and need a solution I can use here.

A bit of searching found me a perl tool, but unfortunately that will
only work if the browser is closed as a key file is kept in memory
while the browser is operating.

Thanks for the pointer, perhaps someone else knows of a linux tool and
I will keep looking myself.

Dave

Could this one help ?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/cacheviewer/



It is unclear to me what additional features this add-on offers from the 
description, and given it is a FireFox add-on it would need to be 
converted to run with SeaMonkey.


Does anyone have it installed and can tell me if it is possible to get 
the actual full file name for a cached image file with it?


Dave
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Re: image files in disk cache

[David H. Durgee]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

A Williams wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file
in the disk cache from the media table in the page information,
but at present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select
an image and save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need
the file for immediate use this requires me to take action to
delete this file when I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave


If I understand your question, Go->History .
I just tried it. Also found that using History's search box entering
"jpg" [without quotes] displayed only images in jpg format.

HTH



does about:cache help you find what you want?


Not that I see.  I see the image file in the cache, but I don't see the
file name.  I only see the "key" which is what seems to copy/paste as
well and is a URI.

Dave


Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Cache > Cache Folder Location should
show where the cache is stored; it may be in a subdirectory named Cache
or cache2 depending on the version of SeaMonkey. I'm not sure that the
original files are cached on disk exactly as downloaded. Looking at a
few files under cache2, it looks like there's extra data appended to the
end of each. That probably makes the file invalid as (for example) a
JPEG file, so even if you could find the relevant file in the cache it
probably wouldn't open with other applications anyway.

Files may once have been stored in the cache exactly as downloaded, but
I'd guess the extra data allows some improvement in performance.



I am aware of where the cache is located, the problem is locating the 
particular file in the cache directory structure so that another program 
can use it via a "File Open" dialog.  Within the Cache directory there 
are 16 sub-directories, 0-F, each of which contains 256 sub-directories, 
00-FF, within each of which the cached files are stored.  The files are 
named with 5 hex digits and three additional characters with no extension.


Thus on my system a full file name for a cached file might be:

~/.cache/mozilla/seamonkey/{SALT}.default/Cache/A/32/2D35Fd01

I remember being able to get this data somewhere at one point, either 
from a pop-up menu on an image or from the data in the view>Page Info 
data somewhere.  Unfortunately either things have changed or my memory 
is faulty.


Dave

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Re: image files in disk cache

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

David H. Durgee wrote:

A Williams wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

I seem to recall the ability in the past to access an image file
in the disk cache from the media table in the page information,
but at present I am unable to locate it.  I can of course select
an image and save it to a file elsewhere, but when I only need
the file for immediate use this requires me to take action to
delete this file when I am done with it.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?  How can I access an image file
without needing to save it outside the cache for one-time-use
situations?

Dave


If I understand your question, Go->History .
I just tried it. Also found that using History's search box entering
"jpg" [without quotes] displayed only images in jpg format.

HTH



does about:cache help you find what you want?


Not that I see.  I see the image file in the cache, but I don't see the
file name.  I only see the "key" which is what seems to copy/paste as
well and is a URI.

Dave


Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Cache > Cache Folder Location should 
show where the cache is stored; it may be in a subdirectory named Cache 
or cache2 depending on the version of SeaMonkey. I'm not sure that the 
original files are cached on disk exactly as downloaded. Looking at a 
few files under cache2, it looks like there's extra data appended to the 
end of each. That probably makes the file invalid as (for example) a 
JPEG file, so even if you could find the relevant file in the cache it 
probably wouldn't open with other applications anyway.


Files may once have been stored in the cache exactly as downloaded, but 
I'd guess the extra data allows some improvement in performance.


Mark.

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