Re: plugins.click_to_play

[EE]

EE wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

EE wrote:

I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole.  I mean the on-demand
control of plugin items.  If I want to view a particular item on the
page, I click a button over it.  Otherwise, there should be no plugin
item loading on the page.  Do not bug me, in other words, unless I
request something.


Sure, I got that. Did you uncheck Preferences/Advanced/Scripts &
Plugins/When a page requires plugins/Activate all plugins by default?

HTH

Jens


I was complaining about Firefox, not SeaMonkey.  I just do not want to
see SeaMonkey handling click-to-play the way Firefox now is doing it.

I did have a problem with click-to-play not working with some older
themes in SM 2.21 and fixed it by patching them using material from new
themes.  It seems a bit strange that one site where I had to do more
patching to themes to get the click-to-play and the webcam feed to work
at all now works with the added themes, but not with the default themes!

Does anybody know what the width of scrollbars has to do with the 
function of plugins click-to-play?  A certain website would not even 
show the icon for click-to-play if the scrollbar was thicker than 15px. 
 What does that have to do with plugin function?


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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[EE]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

EE wrote:

I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole.  I mean the on-demand
control of plugin items.  If I want to view a particular item on the
page, I click a button over it.  Otherwise, there should be no plugin
item loading on the page.  Do not bug me, in other words, unless I
request something.


Sure, I got that. Did you uncheck Preferences/Advanced/Scripts &
Plugins/When a page requires plugins/Activate all plugins by default?

HTH

Jens

I was complaining about Firefox, not SeaMonkey.  I just do not want to 
see SeaMonkey handling click-to-play the way Firefox now is doing it.


I did have a problem with click-to-play not working with some older 
themes in SM 2.21 and fixed it by patching them using material from new 
themes.  It seems a bit strange that one site where I had to do more 
patching to themes to get the click-to-play and the webcam feed to work 
at all now works with the added themes, but not with the default themes!


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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Kertesz Laszlo wrote:


PS. The Firefox devs have some downright hilarious "case study" done
about this with 15 people who don't have a clue what they are doing
("average people"). The "result" is that the are bothered by one
extra click to see that video on youtube - some even said they
actually want to see whats on the ads. If its a real "study", that is
(i wont be shocked to see the advertisers hand in this one).
Unfortunately i dont have the link to the .pdf right now.


Sounds like the "average people" I know. Most of them don't spend their 
days thinking about security or RAM usage or other "issues" we see 
discussed here. To paraphrase the song, "users just wanna have fu-un..."


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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[Kertesz Laszlo]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

EE wrote:

I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play
works.  It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items.


It's true that the meaning of plugins.click_to_play has changed recently. 
However the basic functionality is still there; it just moved to the Add-ons 
Manager (Plugins section) where you can now control per plugin whether it 
should be activated by default or not.

I just checked with [1] and a current SM nightly that clicking one plugin 
instance only activates that one. Is that different for you?

[1] <http://www.ist.rit.edu/~rpv/local/tutorials/embedding_video/>

HTH

Jens


Have you tried Firefox 24? There is NO option to show just one element - its all or 
nothing - clicking on ANY element will open that "doorhanger" thing that asks 
to activate plugins on this page or not - you dont have any control over which element 
will be loaded.

The OP was asking if thats in store for Seamonkey too. I certainly hope not. 
They should have put a tickbox or some sort of switch in there to leave the 
option to use the older version of ctp. But the devs argue that it would add 
too much complexity for a sub-feature not routinely used.

PS. The Firefox devs have some downright hilarious "case study" done about this with 15 people who dont have 
a clue what they are doing ("average people"). The "result" is that the are bothered by one extra 
click to see that video on youtube - some even said they actually want to see whats on the ads. If its a real 
"study", that is (i wont be shocked to see the advertisers hand in this one). Unfortunately i dont have the 
link to the .pdf right now.

 


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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[Jens Hatlak]

EE wrote:

I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole.  I mean the on-demand
control of plugin items.  If I want to view a particular item on the
page, I click a button over it.  Otherwise, there should be no plugin
item loading on the page.  Do not bug me, in other words, unless I
request something.


Sure, I got that. Did you uncheck Preferences/Advanced/Scripts & 
Plugins/When a page requires plugins/Activate all plugins by default?


HTH

Jens

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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[Jens Hatlak]

EE wrote:

I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play
works.  It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items.


It's true that the meaning of plugins.click_to_play has changed 
recently. However the basic functionality is still there; it just moved 
to the Add-ons Manager (Plugins section) where you can now control per 
plugin whether it should be activated by default or not.


I just checked with [1] and a current SM nightly that clicking one 
plugin instance only activates that one. Is that different for you?


[1] <http://www.ist.rit.edu/~rpv/local/tutorials/embedding_video/>

HTH

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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[EE]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

EE wrote:

I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play
works.  It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items.


It's true that the meaning of plugins.click_to_play has changed
recently. However the basic functionality is still there; it just moved
to the Add-ons Manager (Plugins section) where you can now control per
plugin whether it should be activated by default or not.

I just checked with [1] and a current SM nightly that clicking one
plugin instance only activates that one. Is that different for you?

[1] <http://www.ist.rit.edu/~rpv/local/tutorials/embedding_video/>

HTH

Jens

I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole.  I mean the on-demand 
control of plugin items.  If I want to view a particular item on the 
page, I click a button over it.  Otherwise, there should be no plugin 
item loading on the page.  Do not bug me, in other words, unless I 
request something.


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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[EE]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/18/13 1:26 AM, Kertesz Laszlo wrote:

EE wrote:> I just found out that Firefox has changed the way 
plugins.click_to_play works.  It now no longer puts placeholders over individual 
plugin items.  I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing.  Please, tell 
me that will not happen?


The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which items on a 
page will load by clicking placeholders.  Take that away, and you lose that 
control over which items will load.
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Now that sucks. They should have left a selectable option somewhere to keep the 
old behavior.

There is a plugin that brings it back:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/click-to-play-per-element/




I cannot download it with SeaMonkey 2.21 even with spoofing Firefox.

You do not need that with SeaMonkey 2.21.  It has not changed much in 
that respect.  Something that has changed, though, is the feed from 
certain webcams not working any more, even with click-to-play switched off.

http://www.vanaqua.org/learn/see-and-learn/live-cams/beluga-cam
I can no longer get any response from the webcam here.

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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[David E. Ross]

On 9/18/13 1:26 AM, Kertesz Laszlo wrote:
> EE wrote:> I just found out that Firefox has changed the way 
> plugins.click_to_play works.  It now no longer puts placeholders over 
> individual plugin items.  I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing. 
>  Please, tell me that will not happen?
>>
>> The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which items on 
>> a page will load by clicking placeholders.  Take that away, and you lose 
>> that control over which items will load.
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> Now that sucks. They should have left a selectable option somewhere to keep 
> the old behavior.
> 
> There is a plugin that brings it back:
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/click-to-play-per-element/
> 
> 

I cannot download it with SeaMonkey 2.21 even with spoofing Firefox.

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Re: plugins.click_to_play

[Kertesz Laszlo]

EE wrote:> I just found out that Firefox has changed the way 
plugins.click_to_play works.  It now no longer puts placeholders over individual 
plugin items.  I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing.  Please, tell 
me that will not happen?


The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which items on a 
page will load by clicking placeholders.  Take that away, and you lose that 
control over which items will load.
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Now that sucks. They should have left a selectable option somewhere to keep the 
old behavior.

There is a plugin that brings it back:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/click-to-play-per-element/


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plugins.click_to_play

[EE]

I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play 
works.  It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. 
 I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing.  Please, tell me 
that will not happen?


The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which 
items on a page will load by clicking placeholders.  Take that away, and 
you lose that control over which items will load.

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