Re: plugins.click_to_play
EE wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: EE wrote: I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole. I mean the on-demand control of plugin items. If I want to view a particular item on the page, I click a button over it. Otherwise, there should be no plugin item loading on the page. Do not bug me, in other words, unless I request something. Sure, I got that. Did you uncheck Preferences/Advanced/Scripts Plugins/When a page requires plugins/Activate all plugins by default? HTH Jens I was complaining about Firefox, not SeaMonkey. I just do not want to see SeaMonkey handling click-to-play the way Firefox now is doing it. I did have a problem with click-to-play not working with some older themes in SM 2.21 and fixed it by patching them using material from new themes. It seems a bit strange that one site where I had to do more patching to themes to get the click-to-play and the webcam feed to work at all now works with the added themes, but not with the default themes! Does anybody know what the width of scrollbars has to do with the function of plugins click-to-play? A certain website would not even show the icon for click-to-play if the scrollbar was thicker than 15px. What does that have to do with plugin function? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
Jens Hatlak wrote: EE wrote: I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play works. It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. It's true that the meaning of plugins.click_to_play has changed recently. However the basic functionality is still there; it just moved to the Add-ons Manager (Plugins section) where you can now control per plugin whether it should be activated by default or not. I just checked with [1] and a current SM nightly that clicking one plugin instance only activates that one. Is that different for you? [1] http://www.ist.rit.edu/~rpv/local/tutorials/embedding_video/ HTH Jens Have you tried Firefox 24? There is NO option to show just one element - its all or nothing - clicking on ANY element will open that doorhanger thing that asks to activate plugins on this page or not - you dont have any control over which element will be loaded. The OP was asking if thats in store for Seamonkey too. I certainly hope not. They should have put a tickbox or some sort of switch in there to leave the option to use the older version of ctp. But the devs argue that it would add too much complexity for a sub-feature not routinely used. PS. The Firefox devs have some downright hilarious case study done about this with 15 people who dont have a clue what they are doing (average people). The result is that the are bothered by one extra click to see that video on youtube - some even said they actually want to see whats on the ads. If its a real study, that is (i wont be shocked to see the advertisers hand in this one). Unfortunately i dont have the link to the .pdf right now. -- O zi buna, Kertesz Laszlo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
Kertesz Laszlo wrote: PS. The Firefox devs have some downright hilarious case study done about this with 15 people who don't have a clue what they are doing (average people). The result is that the are bothered by one extra click to see that video on youtube - some even said they actually want to see whats on the ads. If its a real study, that is (i wont be shocked to see the advertisers hand in this one). Unfortunately i dont have the link to the .pdf right now. Sounds like the average people I know. Most of them don't spend their days thinking about security or RAM usage or other issues we see discussed here. To paraphrase the song, users just wanna have fu-un... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
Jens Hatlak wrote: EE wrote: I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole. I mean the on-demand control of plugin items. If I want to view a particular item on the page, I click a button over it. Otherwise, there should be no plugin item loading on the page. Do not bug me, in other words, unless I request something. Sure, I got that. Did you uncheck Preferences/Advanced/Scripts Plugins/When a page requires plugins/Activate all plugins by default? HTH Jens I was complaining about Firefox, not SeaMonkey. I just do not want to see SeaMonkey handling click-to-play the way Firefox now is doing it. I did have a problem with click-to-play not working with some older themes in SM 2.21 and fixed it by patching them using material from new themes. It seems a bit strange that one site where I had to do more patching to themes to get the click-to-play and the webcam feed to work at all now works with the added themes, but not with the default themes! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
EE wrote: I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play works. It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing. Please, tell me that will not happen? The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which items on a page will load by clicking placeholders. Take that away, and you lose that control over which items will load. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Now that sucks. They should have left a selectable option somewhere to keep the old behavior. There is a plugin that brings it back: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/click-to-play-per-element/ -- O zi buna, Kertesz Laszlo ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
On 9/18/13 1:26 AM, Kertesz Laszlo wrote: EE wrote: I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play works. It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing. Please, tell me that will not happen? The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which items on a page will load by clicking placeholders. Take that away, and you lose that control over which items will load. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Now that sucks. They should have left a selectable option somewhere to keep the old behavior. There is a plugin that brings it back: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/click-to-play-per-element/ I cannot download it with SeaMonkey 2.21 even with spoofing Firefox. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/18/13 1:26 AM, Kertesz Laszlo wrote: EE wrote: I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play works. It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing. Please, tell me that will not happen? The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which items on a page will load by clicking placeholders. Take that away, and you lose that control over which items will load. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Now that sucks. They should have left a selectable option somewhere to keep the old behavior. There is a plugin that brings it back: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/click-to-play-per-element/ I cannot download it with SeaMonkey 2.21 even with spoofing Firefox. You do not need that with SeaMonkey 2.21. It has not changed much in that respect. Something that has changed, though, is the feed from certain webcams not working any more, even with click-to-play switched off. http://www.vanaqua.org/learn/see-and-learn/live-cams/beluga-cam I can no longer get any response from the webcam here. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
Jens Hatlak wrote: EE wrote: I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play works. It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. It's true that the meaning of plugins.click_to_play has changed recently. However the basic functionality is still there; it just moved to the Add-ons Manager (Plugins section) where you can now control per plugin whether it should be activated by default or not. I just checked with [1] and a current SM nightly that clicking one plugin instance only activates that one. Is that different for you? [1] http://www.ist.rit.edu/~rpv/local/tutorials/embedding_video/ HTH Jens I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole. I mean the on-demand control of plugin items. If I want to view a particular item on the page, I click a button over it. Otherwise, there should be no plugin item loading on the page. Do not bug me, in other words, unless I request something. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
EE wrote: I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play works. It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. It's true that the meaning of plugins.click_to_play has changed recently. However the basic functionality is still there; it just moved to the Add-ons Manager (Plugins section) where you can now control per plugin whether it should be activated by default or not. I just checked with [1] and a current SM nightly that clicking one plugin instance only activates that one. Is that different for you? [1] http://www.ist.rit.edu/~rpv/local/tutorials/embedding_video/ HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: plugins.click_to_play
EE wrote: I do not mean activation of plugins as a whole. I mean the on-demand control of plugin items. If I want to view a particular item on the page, I click a button over it. Otherwise, there should be no plugin item loading on the page. Do not bug me, in other words, unless I request something. Sure, I got that. Did you uncheck Preferences/Advanced/Scripts Plugins/When a page requires plugins/Activate all plugins by default? HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
plugins.click_to_play
I just found out that Firefox has changed the way plugins.click_to_play works. It now no longer puts placeholders over individual plugin items. I hope SeaMonkey is not going to do the same thing. Please, tell me that will not happen? The great thing about plugin blockers is that you can control which items on a page will load by clicking placeholders. Take that away, and you lose that control over which items will load. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
