Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
On 11/29/22 20:21, j...@bmbcon.demon.nl wrote: Hi everybody, I know this has been gone over before, but now more of you must have experience of the Rode NT-SF1 and the Sennheiser Ambeo mics. I’m thinking of selling my Soundfield ST350 and getting a smaller, more portable mic. I have heard recordings of course, but I haven’t been able to try either mic. It’s more for field recording use, sometimes in the studio. Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? or will everyone go “N! Don’t sell the 350!” To get this out of the way: NO! Don't sell your 350. Best localisation of the three, lowest noise. I've owned the Røde (until it was stolen from me), and what's great about it is it comes with a really nice ball gag included, and the price is hard to beat. But the localisation performance and also SNR isn't that great - I was expecting a lower noise floor of capsules that size. Still a *very* decent offer, though. For outdoors, it's wonderful. Never used a series Ambeo, but I've tested a prototype for Neumann (who did the design for SH using KE14 capsules), and the localisation is way better than the Røde due to its smaller size, and it's easier on the pole. Also a bit noisier than the Soundfield, I would say, although I didn't get the chance to make good measurements. A little bit quieter than my tetramic. You can use a simple foam windscreen, but if you want better wind performance, the only real option is Rycote's Baby Ball Gag, which isn't as quiet as a full blimp. Don't know if there's any blimps with lyres big enough to hold the entire Ambeo. I heard they match the capsules, but there is no individual equalisation/calibration. For demanding stuff indoors, I'm sticking to my ST450. -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Tuinbouwstraat 180, 1097 ZB Amsterdam, Nederland Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio), Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
I have st350 and rode. My sound field experience goes back to the original black frame box St350’is a good mix and has excellent flexibility for recording b format and a stereo mix. And has a decent headphone drive from the stereo mix The ride is quieter sweeter and a nicer. But it’s a format. So you need something to process it to b format afterwards if that’s where you want to end up . More importantly there is no motoring unless you bring a laptop and harpex or equivalent. I have asked rode for a box to do the same as the st350 box for creating a stereo mix and providing a decent headphone but nothing is forthcoming so far I like both and generally record with both at the same time. And a pair of schopes omnis and a royer sf24. Because why not? Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Nov 2022, at 19:22, j...@bmbcon.demon.nl wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I know this has been gone over before, but now more of you must have > experience of the Rode NT-SF1 and the Sennheiser Ambeo mics. > > I’m thinking of selling my Soundfield ST350 and getting a smaller, more > portable mic. I have heard recordings of course, but I haven’t been able > to try either mic. It’s more for field recording use, sometimes in the studio. > > Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? or will > everyone go “N! Don’t sell the 350!” > > best wishes, Justin > > > > Justin Bennett > > jus...@justinbennett.nl > www.justinbennett.nl > http://jubilee-art.org/ > > https://vimeo.com/justinbennett > > https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
Thanks John, yes, the Octomic would also work (with my mixpre 10) looking forward to the mammoth test results! best, Justin > On 1 Dec 2022, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: > > You might also look both at the Core-Sound OctoMic and also Voyage Audio?s > 2nd Order microphone, which can record to a tablet or smart-phone, but is > somewhat unwieldy for mounting in a windshield. I had variable results with > it in testing, but it does have the advantage of not needing a separate > recorder. The OctoMic is my microphone of choice at the moment: it can be > fitted into a Rycote Cyclone and works well with both the Zoom F8 and the > Sound Devices Mix-Pre 10ii. > > That said, there was a mammoth test of Ambisonic microphones carried out > earlier this year in the UK, by a number of interested parties and I believe > that comparative results will be made available soon. > > Regards, > > John ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
From personal experience, of the two, the Røde is the better microphone and their decoding software is excellent. Also, you get a much better deal with the Røde: decent cable length, windshield and suspension mount included, and lower price. I found the Ambeo to be light in the lower end and the included cable is ridiculously short. In fairness, I should say that the Ambeo that I tried was a demo model, so it may have improved since then, but given that Sennheiser seem to be backing away from the professional side of their Ambeo marque and concentrating more on the home entertainment side, I might be a bit wary of how much longer they’re going to support it. You might also look both at the Core-Sound OctoMic and also Voyage Audio’s 2nd Order microphone, which can record to a tablet or smart-phone, but is somewhat unwieldy for mounting in a windshield. I had variable results with it in testing, but it does have the advantage of not needing a separate recorder. The OctoMic is my microphone of choice at the moment: it can be fitted into a Rycote Cyclone and works well with both the Zoom F8 and the Sound Devices Mix-Pre 10ii. That said, there was a mammoth test of Ambisonic microphones carried out earlier this year in the UK, by a number of interested parties and I believe that comparative results will be made available soon. Regards, John > On 29 Nov 2022, at 19:21, j...@bmbcon.demon.nl wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I know this has been gone over before, but now more of you must have > experience of the Rode NT-SF1 and the Sennheiser Ambeo mics. > > I’m thinking of selling my Soundfield ST350 and getting a smaller, more > portable mic. I have heard recordings of course, but I haven’t been able > to try either mic. It’s more for field recording use, sometimes in the studio. > > Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? or will > everyone go “N! Don’t sell the 350!” > > best wishes, Justin > > > > Justin Bennett > > jus...@justinbennett.nl > www.justinbennett.nl > http://jubilee-art.org/ > > https://vimeo.com/justinbennett > > https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. > > ___ > This email has been scanned by iomartcloud. > http://www.iomartcloud.com/ > ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
For me the best Soundfield is the ST450 Mkii, follow by the SPS200 and the next would be the ST350. I have two recorders with SPS200 decoder , the Aeta 4Minx and the Nagra VI (no corrective EQ) Best Suso Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 30 nov 2022, a las 22:32, j...@bmbcon.demon.nl escribió: > > Thanks everyone, > > suggestions all noted! > > The SPC mic does look very interesting, but the fact you have to > carry a computer around to record it is not so handy as I’m looking > to be more mobile, not less! > > Often the recordings I make end up in stereo anyway - but I like the > flexibillity in post-production and the fact that it can be “sursound”. > > Maybe I’ll try and hire or borrow the mics somewhere to do an A-B-C test! > I actually love the sound of the ST350 so I might just have to put up > with the weight and hassle! > > best, Justin > > > Justin Bennett > > jus...@justinbennett.nl > www.justinbennett.nl > http://jubilee-art.org/ > > https://vimeo.com/justinbennett > > https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
Thanks everyone, suggestions all noted! The SPC mic does look very interesting, but the fact you have to carry a computer around to record it is not so handy as I’m looking to be more mobile, not less! Often the recordings I make end up in stereo anyway - but I like the flexibillity in post-production and the fact that it can be “sursound”. Maybe I’ll try and hire or borrow the mics somewhere to do an A-B-C test! I actually love the sound of the ST350 so I might just have to put up with the weight and hassle! best, Justin Justin Bennett jus...@justinbennett.nl www.justinbennett.nl http://jubilee-art.org/ https://vimeo.com/justinbennett https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
Greetings Folks, If anyone is interested, we have an unused, new-in-box SPS-200 available. Price is negotiable. Best wishes, Haig Sent in a frenzy from my iPad HaigelBagel.com.au > On 30 Nov 2022, at 9:41 am, Thorsten Michels wrote: > > Hi Justin! > > It directly depends on what you want to record and for which purpose. > > I strive for solutions where I can record "the max" for a reasonable price > and can still decide in post, what will be the final result. > Just like with M/S Stereo-recordings. You may decide even in post, how wide > your stereo image will sound like. > > In this kind of habbit I see the https://spcmic.com. On their internet site, > they claim to record 3rd order Ambisonic. > And due to a presentation I saw at the Schoeps "Mikroforum 2022", given by > Mr. Zotter, I understand, that only 3rd order (and above) Ambisonic > recordings give you the required details to decide in at latest in post, how > your "virtual room" and any event inside of it, will sound like. > > And for me the https://spcmic.com, looks like a better choice, as it offers > 3rd order Ambisonic instead of FOA. > Especially if you take a closer look on the price. ;-) > > To be honest, I just listened to some "demo-recordings", but that already was > mind-blowing. > So, for me, this would be an honest option to check, BEFORE I spend twice the > money. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Take care and stay healthy > > Best Regards > Thorsten > > >> Am 29.11.2022 um 20:21 schrieb j...@bmbcon.demon.nl: >> Hi everybody, >> >> I know this has been gone over before, but now more of you must have >> experience of the Rode NT-SF1 and the Sennheiser Ambeo mics. >> >> I’m thinking of selling my Soundfield ST350 and getting a smaller, more >> portable mic. I have heard recordings of course, but I haven’t been able >> to try either mic. It’s more for field recording use, sometimes in the >> studio. >> >> Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? or will >> everyone go “N! Don’t sell the 350!” >> >> best wishes, Justin >> >> >> >> Justin Bennett >> >> jus...@justinbennett.nl >> www.justinbennett.nl >> http://jubilee-art.org/ >> >> https://vimeo.com/justinbennett >> >> https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ >> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit >> account or options, view archives and so on. > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listin ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
Hi Justin! It directly depends on what you want to record and for which purpose. I strive for solutions where I can record "the max" for a reasonable price and can still decide in post, what will be the final result. Just like with M/S Stereo-recordings. You may decide even in post, how wide your stereo image will sound like. In this kind of habbit I see the https://spcmic.com. On their internet site, they claim to record 3rd order Ambisonic. And due to a presentation I saw at the Schoeps "Mikroforum 2022", given by Mr. Zotter, I understand, that only 3rd order (and above) Ambisonic recordings give you the required details to decide in at latest in post, how your "virtual room" and any event inside of it, will sound like. And for me the https://spcmic.com, looks like a better choice, as it offers 3rd order Ambisonic instead of FOA. Especially if you take a closer look on the price. ;-) To be honest, I just listened to some "demo-recordings", but that already was mind-blowing. So, for me, this would be an honest option to check, BEFORE I spend twice the money. Just my 2 cents. Take care and stay healthy Best Regards Thorsten Am 29.11.2022 um 20:21 schrieb j...@bmbcon.demon.nl: Hi everybody, I know this has been gone over before, but now more of you must have experience of the Rode NT-SF1 and the Sennheiser Ambeo mics. I’m thinking of selling my Soundfield ST350 and getting a smaller, more portable mic. I have heard recordings of course, but I haven’t been able to try either mic. It’s more for field recording use, sometimes in the studio. Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? or will everyone go “N! Don’t sell the 350!” best wishes, Justin Justin Bennett jus...@justinbennett.nl www.justinbennett.nl http://jubilee-art.org/ https://vimeo.com/justinbennett https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
Am 29.11.22 um 20:21 schrieb j...@bmbcon.demon.nl: Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? Two sidenotes which may or may be not relevant in your application: The Sennheiser has electret capsules while the Rode is a 'classical' condenser mike. Electrets will unavoidably age over time, real condenser capsules not so much. If you say 'field recording', do you mean outside recordings of nature sounds? I've had probs with Rode NT5 mikes of similar capsule design failing during soundscape recordings in dry but cold weather near the North Sea. This happened with a stereo pair (they did cost a supplement at the time) and Rode Germany flatly refused to replace the complete pair. I'd rather not know what would happen in the case of the ambisonic mike with its four capsules. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
Try with a Soundfield SPS200, the Ambeo and Rode is another league Best Suso Ramallo Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 29 nov 2022, a las 20:22, j...@bmbcon.demon.nl escribió: > > Hi everybody, > > I know this has been gone over before, but now more of you must have > experience of the Rode NT-SF1 and the Sennheiser Ambeo mics. > > I’m thinking of selling my Soundfield ST350 and getting a smaller, more > portable mic. I have heard recordings of course, but I haven’t been able > to try either mic. It’s more for field recording use, sometimes in the studio. > > Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? or will > everyone go “N! Don’t sell the 350!” > > best wishes, Justin > > > > Justin Bennett > > jus...@justinbennett.nl > www.justinbennett.nl > http://jubilee-art.org/ > > https://vimeo.com/justinbennett > > https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Rode vs Ambeo as ST350 replacement?
Hi everybody, I know this has been gone over before, but now more of you must have experience of the Rode NT-SF1 and the Sennheiser Ambeo mics. I’m thinking of selling my Soundfield ST350 and getting a smaller, more portable mic. I have heard recordings of course, but I haven’t been able to try either mic. It’s more for field recording use, sometimes in the studio. Is there really a bit difference between the two, do you think? or will everyone go “N! Don’t sell the 350!” best wishes, Justin Justin Bennett jus...@justinbennett.nl www.justinbennett.nl http://jubilee-art.org/ https://vimeo.com/justinbennett https://justinbennett.bandcamp.com/ ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
