Re: [Sursound] the facebook group

[Jakob Gille]

I just joined the group, but I wanted also to leave my thinking about 
Facebook.
I mainly use the site for events and groups and don't want to miss on a 
lot of suggestions and ideas I got from group members in the past.
But you have to start somewhere, and that it would be better to leave 
Facebook should be obvious right now.


Does someone know any replacement, especially for Facebook groups?
Preferably in an open source format, where it would be nice to get all 
the groups moving to in the long term.
Maybe a post with a hint to a new page could get things started and so 
slowly reducing the need for being on Facebook.


Am 08.01.2022 um 10:52 schrieb Sampo Syreeni:

On 2022-01-08, Jack Reynolds wrote:


I still haven’t had much luck finding it


Truth be told, since FB deleted my previous account, I've been 
experiencing difficulty as well.


I think it's this one https://www.facebook.com/groups/355566654536126 
. Or hope. :/

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[Sampo Syreeni]

On 2022-01-08, Jack Reynolds wrote:


I still haven’t had much luck finding it


Truth be told, since FB deleted my previous account, I've been 
experiencing difficulty as well.


I think it's this one https://www.facebook.com/groups/355566654536126 . 
Or hope. :/

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[Jack Reynolds]

I still haven’t had much luck finding it

Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Jan 2022, at 04:59, Sampo Syreeni  wrote:
> 
> On 2022-01-02, Sigmund Gudvangen wrote:
> 
>> Bad idea! Not everybody have Facebook accounts. I wouldn't want one even if 
>> I got paied for it.
> 
> The idea always was to have the FB groop as a secondary to the list. Which it 
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On 2022-01-02, Sigmund Gudvangen wrote:

Bad idea! Not everybody have Facebook accounts. I wouldn't want one 
even if I got paied for it.


The idea always was to have the FB groop as a secondary to the list. 
Which it is, and how it remains.

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[Sampo Syreeni]

On 2022-01-02, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding 
to this one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)


Don't!

I've already seen the Zoom Forum and another one on the Zoom H3 dragged
to Fakebook for no good reason.


It seems Surround Sound on Facebook is still under my control. As such, 
if somebody fucks around there, just drop a message. Them idjits will 
vanish (for reason).



I'd hate to see this one go as well.


This one hasn't been going anywhere for something like decades. No 
reason to think it'd change course any time soon.

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Re: [Sursound] the facebook group

[Drew Kirkland]

I also feel that the group is very helpful but absolutely detest having to
use Facebook.
I am currently setting up a training facility in the UK where initially
anolog sound recording will become a core skill before moving to digital.
The know lage contained in this group will be invaluable when we are
recording and playing back in multi channel spatial audio.
The perfect solution would be a repository of information with a message
board on its own site, but I understand that requires work and funding.

Drew

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022, 09:29 ,  wrote:

> Hi Sampo, others
>
> > 2 Jan 2022 - Sampo Syreeni :
>
> S> Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group,
>
> Though i'm not the most active poster here, following the discussions
> and pointers to info in this group is extremely useful for my own work,
> and i beleive for many others who as me are not always very active.
>
> I really hope the exchange in sursound can continue in a simple and easy
> accessible way, preferably in this email list, and not move to a closed
> channel where it won't be accessible any more.
>
> Happy new year!
>
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On 1/2/22 1:13 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 06:19:03AM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote:


Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding to this
one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)


So you suggest to support a platform


I agree, I do not see a reason ("convenience" is not enough for me) to 
support a commercial platform that profits from conflict and 
misinformation, and sells behavioral information all the time.


I was trying to come up with an analogy of how misinformation would be 
monetized even in the sursound group, but my imagination failed me... 
I'm sure if we go there we will find out pretty soon.


-- Fernando



* that systematically amplifies division, extremism, and
   polarization around the world,

* where you are the product to be sold, for any purpose
   including manipulation of elections,

* is owned by a sociopath who thinks that you have no right
   to privacy, and has consistently lied about Facebook's
   policies.

The sooner FB disappears the better it will be for all of us.



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Re: [Sursound] the facebook group

[David Worrall]

My startle and orientation reflexes are already overstimulated so to 
subject myself to a barrage of advertisements of junk that a big-tech 
authoritarian has determined I _must_ be interested in, would be enough 
to make the monaural experience a must-have. I don't need those thugs in 
my life, so count me out.


~drw



On 2022 01 02 14:02, Stefan Schreiber wrote:
I would second Fons' views, in the sense that I would not just "shift" 
a (still) working discussion group to some platform which seems to 
have shifted to some problematic state some years ago:


https://www.engadget.com/worst-products-and-companies-in-2021-153034006.html 



"Amid all that, Zuckerberg announced not an overhaul of the company’s 
policies, nor a review of its internal research, but… a new name: 
Meta. It’s meant to symbolize the company’s newfound commitment to a 
metaverse that no one can fully explain. ...


Facebook, er Meta, has yet to meaningfully address any of those 
questions."


If "even" Engadget (which is a site focusing on technological and IT 
novelties/"gadgets") writes in this way, then there must be some 
problem. (The statements in the article are all fair enough- I don't 
think anything is biased.)


I would also not shift a discussion group related to some research to 
some commercial sphere which is built on the use of private data. (It 
does - in my strong opinion - just "not fit". )


Best regards

Stefan

P.S.: But IF things are here about free speech, then it is "very 
interesting" that some of the FB rules/behaviour code did apparently < 
not > apply to some group of "privileged members".


You can think about why this is so... ;-)

P.S. 2: This is a wider problem, not just affecting Meta aka 
Facebook... Just saying that I would/will not support the proposal 
that "we all join the Facebook-group, corresponding to this one".


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 Data: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 10:13:32 +0100

 De: Fons Adriaensen 

 Assunto: Re: [Sursound] the facebook group

 Para: sursound@music.vt.edu


On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 06:19:03AM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote:

Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding 
to this


 one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)


So you suggest to support a platform



 * that systematically amplifies division, extremism, and

 polarization around the world,



 * where you are the product to be sold, for any purpose

 including manipulation of elections,



 * is owned by a sociopath who thinks that you have no right

 to privacy, and has consistently lied about Facebook's

 policies.



 The sooner FB disappears the better it will be for all of us.



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[glardner]

Indeed, I agree not to move to Facebook. Some groups I followed moved to 
Facebook when Yahoo Groups closed. I have found the FB experience very 
unsatisfactory. I essentially no longer follow those groups.[micbuilders] moved 
instead to Groups.io. Groups.io is not perfect, it has its limitations and is 
not free, but I can follow it via email, like here, or via its web interface, 
and can easily search files and photos as well as messages. I would probably 
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[Stefan Schreiber]

I would second Fons' views, in the sense that I would not just "shift"  
a (still) working discussion group to some platform which seems to  
have shifted to some problematic state some years ago:


https://www.engadget.com/worst-products-and-companies-in-2021-153034006.html

"Amid all that, Zuckerberg announced not an overhaul of the company’s  
policies, nor a review of its internal research, but… a new name:  
Meta. It’s meant to symbolize the company’s newfound commitment to a  
metaverse that no one can fully explain. ...


Facebook, er Meta, has yet to meaningfully address any of those questions."

If "even" Engadget (which is a site focusing on technological and IT  
novelties/"gadgets") writes in this way, then there must be some  
problem. (The statements in the article are all fair enough- I don't  
think anything is biased.)


I would also not shift a discussion group related to some research to  
some commercial sphere which is built on the use of private data. (It  
does - in my strong opinion - just "not fit". )


Best regards

Stefan

P.S.: But IF things are here about free speech, then it is "very  
interesting" that some of the FB rules/behaviour code did apparently <  
not > apply to some group of "privileged members". 


You can think about why this is so... ;-)

P.S. 2: This is a wider problem, not just affecting Meta aka  
Facebook... Just saying that I would/will not support the proposal  
that "we all join the Facebook-group, corresponding to this one". 


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 De: Fons Adriaensen 

 Assunto: Re: [Sursound] the facebook group

 Para: sursound@music.vt.edu


On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 06:19:03AM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote:


Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding to this

 one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)


So you suggest to support a platform



 * that systematically amplifies division, extremism, and

 polarization around the world,



 * where you are the product to be sold, for any purpose

 including manipulation of elections,



 * is owned by a sociopath who thinks that you have no right

 to privacy, and has consistently lied about Facebook's

 policies.



 The sooner FB disappears the better it will be for all of us.



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[Marc Lavallée]

To search sursound:

https://www.mail-archive.com/sursound@music.vt.edu/

Marc

Le 2022-01-02 à 10 h 29, Bo-Erik Sandholm a écrit :

Search functions in facebook groups is useless, at least in my opinion.
I have great problems to find info that I remember having seen earlier on
facebook.

Discussion forums are much better if they they have a good search function.

Bo-Erik


On Sun, 2 Jan 2022, 15:46 Marc Lavallée,  wrote:


A sursound FB group would be sad news.
I'm against social medias since 2004;
reading their fine prints before registration
should enough to scare away any decent soul.

Marc

Le 2022-01-01 à 23 h 19, Sampo Syreeni a écrit :

Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding
to this one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)

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[Bo-Erik Sandholm]

Search functions in facebook groups is useless, at least in my opinion.
I have great problems to find info that I remember having seen earlier on
facebook.

Discussion forums are much better if they they have a good search function.

Bo-Erik


On Sun, 2 Jan 2022, 15:46 Marc Lavallée,  wrote:

> A sursound FB group would be sad news.
> I'm against social medias since 2004;
> reading their fine prints before registration
> should enough to scare away any decent soul.
>
> Marc
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A sursound FB group would be sad news.
I'm against social medias since 2004;
reading their fine prints before registration
should enough to scare away any decent soul.

Marc

Le 2022-01-01 à 23 h 19, Sampo Syreeni a écrit :
Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding 
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[Steven Boardman]

I am on Facebook purely for forums, with a locked down account that has all
privacy settings to on, all adverts hidden with zero on my timeline. I
removed everything years ago, and only post in groups, and only members can
see those.
I agree with Jack that some forums are very useful, but hate the fact they
are on a platform for lying and deceit. So i am with Fons on that one, and
would prefer them to be elsewhere.
This group has been my most used resource, and i would like to keep it as
such.
I just wish some of the people on Facebook would come here, but if there is
a sursound on Facebook please provide a link.

Best

Steve



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[Chris Woolf]

I heartily agree.

Facebook is at best a terrible nuisance, and I do everything I can to 
avoid being mired in it.


Chris Woolf


On 02/01/2022 09:13, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 06:19:03AM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote:


Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding to this
one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)

So you suggest to support a platform

* that systematically amplifies division, extremism, and
   polarization around the world,

* where you are the product to be sold, for any purpose
   including manipulation of elections,

* is owned by a sociopath who thinks that you have no right
   to privacy, and has consistently lied about Facebook's
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The sooner FB disappears the better it will be for all of us.



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Bad idea! Not everybody have Facebook accounts. I wouldn't want one even if I 
got paied for it.

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Am 02.01.22 um 05:19 schrieb Sampo Syreeni:

Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding to
this one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)


Don't!

I've already seen the Zoom Forum and another one on the Zoom H3 dragged
to Fakebook for no good reason.

I'd hate to see this one go as well.

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Re: [Sursound] the facebook group

[Jack Reynolds]

Facebook doesn’t have to be awful.

We have a number of successful Facebook group pages that have been immensely 
beneficial for the spatial audio community. 

As mentioned above, I couldn’t find the sursound Facebook page, so a link would 
be useful.

Cheers

Jack

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> On 2 Jan 2022, at 09:29, and...@avinjar.no wrote:
> 
> Hi Sampo, others
> 
>> 2 Jan 2022 - Sampo Syreeni :
> 
>S> Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group,
> 
> Though i'm not the most active poster here, following the discussions
> and pointers to info in this group is extremely useful for my own work,
> and i beleive for many others who as me are not always very active.
> 
> I really hope the exchange in sursound can continue in a simple and easy
> accessible way, preferably in this email list, and not move to a closed
> channel where it won't be accessible any more.
> 
> Happy new year!
> 
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[anders]

Hi Sampo, others

> 2 Jan 2022 - Sampo Syreeni :

S> Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group,

Though i'm not the most active poster here, following the discussions
and pointers to info in this group is extremely useful for my own work,
and i beleive for many others who as me are not always very active.

I really hope the exchange in sursound can continue in a simple and easy
accessible way, preferably in this email list, and not move to a closed
channel where it won't be accessible any more.

Happy new year!

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On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 06:19:03AM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote:

> Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding to this
> one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)

So you suggest to support a platform 

* that systematically amplifies division, extremism, and
  polarization around the world,

* where you are the product to be sold, for any purpose
  including manipulation of elections, 

* is owned by a sociopath who thinks that you have no right
  to privacy, and has consistently lied about Facebook's
  policies.

The sooner FB disappears the better it will be for all of us.

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Re: [Sursound] the facebook group

[Didrik Madheden]

1) Could you link to it? Facebook's search function seems to think I
misspelled the word surround, and generally gives no relevant results.
2) Even so, I wonder if a platform that's intent on stealing your attention
at every opportunity and rewards a short attention span and lazy
procrastination browsing is the right place for a forum for deep technical
discussion.

/Didrik

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> Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding to
> this one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)
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[Sursound] the facebook group

[Sampo Syreeni]

Hi. How about if you all also join the Facebook-group, corresponding to 
this one? Because it'd be nice as always... ;)

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