Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
Keith, thanks ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10 December 2001 03:32 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken Hi Ken The Mercedes Gelaendewagen (cross-country car), or G-wagen, went into production in 1979, following five years of development by Mercedes and Steyr-Daimler-Puch (50-50 joint-venture). It's undergone continuous development since then and is still very much in production, with Mercedes guaranteeing production for NATO up to 2025. See: http://www.g4rce.net/engl/history1.html Steyr-Daimler-Puch was making them for the Eastern Bloc countries, I'm not sure if they're still involved. They still make the Pinzgauer though, which the UK armed forces have bought instead of the Land Rover, but there have been rumours they'll cease production soon. Mercedes recently launched three versions of the G in the US market, not including a diesel model apparently, nor the basic workhorse version, the 461. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Unimog
I strongly suspect that if the Turtle III had been a Unimog they wouldn't have needed to replace it after only 160,000 miles, no matter how tough the going. As for prices, why buy a new Unimog? Second-hand 404s are reasonably priced and will probably outlast most anything straight out of the showroom that's not a Unimog. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Just for amusement, have you got a link to used Unimogs reasonably priced? I don't really need another lawn ornament. Motie Lucky old you to have a lawn, eh? Let alone ornaments for it. 'Twas a joke doing the rounds in Hong Kong: What's the latest status-symbol of the super-rich? A lawnmower. I hope that amused you. You can find such links if you have a look at our website or Steve's. Though I do rather wonder what you'd think if I asked you to find me a used-car dealer in Japan, just for my amusement. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
ATTENTION!!!! - was Re: [biofuel] ethanol; virus found on this email attachment
Gringo VaLaCasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: McAfee found CARD.DOC.pif attachment which is an unrepairable virus file. McAfee said PWS-gen.Hooker Virus Found From: Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] ethanol For the third or fourth time, THIS LIST CANNOT TRANSMIT VIRUSES!!! These are FALSE messages with COUNTERFEIT addresses - no such message was sent via the Biofuels list, there is no such member of the Biofuels list as Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The virus raids people's address books and sends out this false garbage. This list does not accept attachments and transmits ONLY text-only messages, no coding, no html, no nothing accept ASCII, and certainly no viruses. Thankyou for your attention. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Unimog
Lucky old you to have a lawn, eh? Let alone ornaments for it. 'Twas a joke doing the rounds in Hong Kong: What's the latest status-symbol of the super-rich? A lawnmower. I hope that amused you. You can find such links if you have a look at our website or Steve's. Though I do rather wonder what you'd think if I asked you to find me a used-car dealer in Japan, just for my amusement. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks. I'll check your site. A joke I heard around here was. What is the latest status symbol in Japan? A Caucasian gardener on staff! Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: ATTENTION!!!! - was Re: [biofuel] ethanol; virus found on thi s email attachment
Hi keith don't you remember this messagge? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/9886 true, the group does not allow to attach files, but if you post a message to the group and is sent to someone infected, the virus takes your address from that message and you will recive a message not necesarely with the same email address that person is registered on the group with the virus attached on it -that virus cames from the group? not straight from the group -that virus uses the group? yes, it takes email addreses from people posting on it to send them infected messages with the same subject lines that real messages from the group are using. -what can we do? to use an updated antivirus, not opening messages with attached files, or to read this group from the web. sorry for this off-topic message, sorry to anyone tired of reading about viruses on this group. regards to every one Manolo Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: ATTENTION!!!! - was Re: [biofuel] ethanol; virus found on thi s email attachment
Hi Manolo Yes, I do remember that message, but it's not really pertinent. It's useless to advise the group that the list is spreading viruses, it's not. The addresses provided are false, the messages are false, there's no useful information whatsoever, other than to make listers unnecessarily nervous. What you say applies to ANY email message, not just one from the list. The virus is NOT using the list, it uses addresses from ANY incoming messages, whether from this list, any other list, or individuals. It does NOT use the list to distribute itself or its false messages. It's impossible to receive an infected message from this list. It is possible to receive an infected message from a list member, as from any other email user who has your address. Going to the web-only list interface as you suggest won't accomplish anything, if your address is in that address book on the infected computer it'll still be there no matter how you read incoming messages, web-only or not, and you'll get an infected message - the only way that strategy could be a remedy would be to close your email account and not get any messages at all. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Hi keith don't you remember this messagge? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/9886 true, the group does not allow to attach files, but if you post a message to the group and is sent to someone infected, the virus takes your address from that message and you will recive a message not necesarely with the same email address that person is registered on the group with the virus attached on it -that virus cames from the group? not straight from the group -that virus uses the group? yes, it takes email addreses from people posting on it to send them infected messages with the same subject lines that real messages from the group are using. -what can we do? to use an updated antivirus, not opening messages with attached files, or to read this group from the web. sorry for this off-topic message, sorry to anyone tired of reading about viruses on this group. regards to every one Manolo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
ATTENTION!!!! - was Re: [biofuel] ethanol; virus found on thi s email attachment
. It is possible to receive an infected message from a list member, as from any other email user who has your address. Going to the web-only list interface as you suggest won't accomplish anything, if your address is in that address book on the infected computer it'll still be there no matter how you read incoming messages, web-only or not, and you'll get an infected message - the only way that strategy could be a remedy would be to close your email account and not get any messages at all. Best Keith Addison http://journeytoforever.org/ I think everyone is tired of the virus warnings. I posted a couple of them myself. Evidently it got my email address from this list when I posted. I only read messages at the site, but I keep getting email with virus attachments with a return address to this list. I've gotten 5 so far, all with a return address to this list, and none from anywhere else. I don't know how it works, but that's why all the warning messages are coming here. I've deleted all of them, but I can forward the next to you, if you'd like? LOL Motie I have your site open in another window. I'll check it out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
just an idea: i was thinking on a vegoil two tanks conversion using the exhaust to heat vegoil. if we put the vegoil tank on the rear part of the car and it goes to the engine on a copper pipe paralel to the exhaust pipe, close enough to be heated and far enough to not to reach too hight temperatures, and to use the return line with heated vegoil runing close to the incoming line on the oposite side of the exaust to heat the other side, perhaps this way we can get a simple conversion, or perhaps i've been drinking too much coffe and i need to sleep a bit more and not to think so much. anyone with more experience can tell me if this is possible? thanks in advance Manolo Roln Valencia, Spain [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Unimog
You should be able to pick up an M35 (duece and a half) for under $4000, even under $2000 if you go to the auctions yourself. Greg and April wrote: A Duce and a Half will set you back around $6000.00 + or -. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion exhaust heat?
I also thought of this...and eventually rejected it because I could not figure out a way to regulate the heat being transferred to the SVO by the exhaust. It would seem to hold promise though As stated in a previous post onthe subject the exhaust temperature changes a great deal sepending on how hard the engine is working. This presents two problems. Will the exhast stay warm enough at idle? and Will it get to hot at full load? Not warm enough is OK since at idle on is usng very little fuel and one the engine is warmed up it likely can produce enough exhuast heat to suffice. Much harder is the too much heat problem. If the SVO is heated too much it may damage components downstream such as the pumps or the solenoid valves. It needs to be kept at a temperature we know will not do so and yet heated along its entire length. The more I try to design somthing that will ensure these two factors the more I decide it is simpler and more efficient to use HIH or HOH(hose on hose)to do so. I would love to hear others ideas though. Don't be afraid. There are no stupid ideas in a brainstorm. Dana --- M Rolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just an idea: i was thinking on a vegoil two tanks conversion using the exhaust to heat vegoil. if we put the vegoil tank on the rear part of the car and it goes to the engine on a copper pipe paralel to the exhaust pipe, close enough to be heated and far enough to not to reach too hight temperatures, and to use the return line with heated vegoil runing close to the incoming line on the oposite side of the exaust to heat the other side, perhaps this way we can get a simple conversion, or perhaps i've been drinking too much coffe and i need to sleep a bit more and not to think so much. anyone with more experience can tell me if this is possible? thanks in advance Manolo Rolán Valencia, Spain [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
- Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 05:52 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. Perhaps, I grazed one about 2 weeks ago, I was going down the road, when a 6 pointer lunged up out of a ditch next to the road. It was dark and the ditch is about 8' deep, and less then 3' from the edge of the road, by the time the deer was high enough that the lights from the car could shine on it, it was about 4 ' from the road and about 15' in front of the car, as soon as it got about 5' into the road, it stoped. I was moving about 55 and squeezed between it and the ditch smacking it in the ass with the drivers mirror. Their was no way I would have seen the deer sooner because untill it got to the top of the ditch, it was down out of sight. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Unimog
- Original Message - From: motie_d Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 23:38 Subject: [biofuel] Re:Unimog Have you got a source for one in running condition? With power steering and a cab? Motie Check out: http://www.clarktruck.com/ http://www.samssurplus.com/usedvehicles.htm http://www.surplusjeeps.com/ http://www.greene-equipment.com/ Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO -- Heated tanks ?
Do SVO conversions really need heated tanks? I think not. My thoughts on this have changed since I went overboard on my own conversion. My SVO tank heats up to about 90*F in 15-25 minutes of driving(I have a remote temp. sensor on it) and as far as I am concerned this is wasted heat. Even more important I think I wasted effort and funds by building a tank that warms up all of the SVO in it. I now think that all that is needed is a small pocket of liquid SVO at the tank outlet if the SVO lines are heated (in my area they must be). This can be easily and cheaply accomplished with a small heater at the SVO pickup point. Most return lines are routed to near this point so once the warmed SVO is being circulated this pocket will grow larger. Even in subzero weather when the SVO is hard the entire tank will eventually warm enough so that progressively more and more SVO will liquefy. As long as enough SVO can be melted in that extreme cold to supply the engines needs the max.necessary heat is being applied to the SVO tank. Any more is overkill. If this is true it makes converting the main fuel tank to SVO much simpler and consequently the whole conversion becomes simpler. Since dieselor BD is only needed for starting and purging using the existing tank for SVO and installing a small diesel tank seem to me to be the optimum method for conversion. If one is using HIH or HOH to heat the lines a valve in the coolant supply line is all that is needed to allow use of the main tank for diesel again at any time. That warm coolant can also be used to provide the pocket of liquid SVO if a jacketed SVO pickup is fabricated. Easy to do. Basically it is a hose in a hose in a hose. Email me if you want a simple drawing as I don't believe that I can send an attachment to the group. An electric heater can also be used at the pickup point if an alternative method to heat the SVO line is being used. Ed, Would the Veg-therm work for this? Any others have thoughts or experiences on this? And thanks to those that have sent me links to other possible SVO sites. There is a lot of info out there if I can just find the time to wade through it and collate. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: ATTENTION!!!! - was Re: [biofuel] ethanol; virus found on thi s email attachment
I think everyone is tired of the virus warnings. Yes! I posted a couple of them myself. Evidently it got my email address from this list when I posted. No! It got your address from the address book of somebody who received your message. I only read messages at the site, but I keep getting email with virus attachments with a return address to this list. It's counterfeit! It makes no difference whether you read list messages at the list website, or have them sent to you direct, or never read them at all. I've gotten 5 so far, all with a return address to this list, and none from anywhere else. Coincidence - nobody else you correspond with has the virus yet, only other list members, who DIDN'T get it from the list (though they may have got it direct from other members, or any emailers). I don't know how it works, but that's why all the warning messages are coming here. I've deleted all of them, but I can forward the next to you, if you'd like? It will be a false message, with a false title claiming it came from the Biofuels list, and a false sender's address, quite possibly of someone who isn't even a list member - but it WON'T have been sent to you by the list. Obviously, as you're on Web-only. LOL Yes! Motie I have your site open in another window. I'll check it out. I hope you enjoy it. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO -- Heated tanks ?
Dana - C Short answer: Cold weather system, cold as in Minnesota... best answer = HIH on supply and return lines. Return SVO line to tank, no loop. Simple, single tank loop to warm for flow. Electric at front close to injection pump to compensate for less than 100% efficiency of heat exchange and losses enroute to pump and to give faster warmups. Insulate everyting best you can except the VEG-Therm, which should be left uninsulated to function properly. Then avoid excessively idling and low load use, keep the revs up. Make sure thermostat is working right to get max. engine heat. Winter front. Block heater or oil pan heater. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 12/12/01
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- December 12, 2001 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events State of Pennsylvania Makes Large Green Power Purchase Iowa Project Tests Switchgrass for Power Production Seed Corn Production Plant Tests Waste Seed as Heat Source DOE Selects Companies to Test Ultra-Low Sulfur Fuels NC State University to Develop Molecular-Based Solar Cells Eleven Large Geothermal Projects Planned for New York California PUC Opens Efficiency Programs to Non-Utilities *Site News DOE's Office of Distributed Energy Resources *Energy Facts and Tips EIA Publishes State Electricity, Energy Cost Facts *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- State of Pennsylvania Makes Large Green Power Purchase Pennsylvania Governor Mark Schweiker announced last week that Pennsylvania will buy enough electricity from renewable energy sources to meet 5 percent of the state government's power needs for the next two years. The state awarded a contract to Community Energy Inc. for the purchase of 100 million kilowatt-hours of green power from the start of 2002 through the end of 2003. Twenty percent of this green power purchase will be supplied by the new Exelon-Community Energy wind facilities in Fayette and Somerset counties (thereby using 5 percent of the output from those facilities), and the remainder will be generated from hydroelectric sources, landfill gas power plants, and solar power. See the governor's press release at: http://papress.state.pa.us/ctc/data/20011205.001.htm. Iowa Project Tests Switchgrass for Power Production John Deere announced last week its support of a groundbreaking project in central Iowa to generate electricity from switchgrass. Switchgrass is a common prairie grass grown on marginal farmland throughout many parts of North America. Its high energy output per acre of harvested crop makes it an attractive crop for energy production. The Chariton Valley Biomass Project involves more than 80 farmers managing 7,000 acres of switchgrass. The project is managed by Chariton Valley Resource Conservation Development, Inc., a non-profit corporation helping southern Iowa farmers. John Deere provided equipment to harvest and bale the switchgrass, and the company provided expertise on when to harvest and how to store the crop. Iowa State University is testing the impact of harvests on the environment, including water runoff, wildlife, and soil stress. Alliant Energy is testing small portions of the switchgrass at its coal-fired Ottumwa Generating Station in Chillicothe, Iowa, which is co-owned with MidAmerican Energy. If the project reaches its goal, five percent of the fuel burned at the generating station will be switchgrass, eventually adding up to 200,000 tons burned annually at the site. A final report on the project is expected next year from DOE's National Renewable Energy Laboratory. See the John Deere press release at: http://www.deere.com/deerecom/_newsroom/grass.htm. John Deere also provided some support for the biodiesel industry last week when the company announced that the use of soy-based biodiesel is approved for all of its diesel- powered products. However, the company cautions against possible fuel degradation and water absorption if the fuel is stored improperly. To demonstrate further support for the use of farm-based products, the company is exploring soy- based resins to replace sheet metal on its products, and expects to use corn- and soybean-based plastic panels on its combines built in 2002. See the John Deere press release at: http://www.deere.com/deerecom/_newsroom/ecofriendbio.htm. Seed Corn Production Plant Tests Waste Seed as Heat Source Pioneer Hi-Bred International, Inc. has a waste problem at its Toledo, Iowa, seed corn production plant: unsold seed that is returned and cannot be resold. But Pioneer is turning that problem into an opportunity, as it is now investigating high- temperature gasification to convert the waste corn into a gas that can be burned as a heat source. Pioneer hopes to eventually reduce its use of natural gas -- it uses a lot of it to dry seed corn each fall -- and also hopes the process may be used on farms. The company is working on the project with Iowa State University and Carbon Energy Technology, Inc. See the December 5th press release on the Pioneer Web site at: http://www.pioneer.com/media/releases.htm. DOE Selects Companies to Test Ultra-Low Sulfur Fuels DOE announced yesterday its award of $10.7 million to four firms for research and testing of ultra-low sulfur fuels,
Re: [biofuel] SVO -- Heated tanks ?
Dana, I'd love to think a heated tank isn't necessary. One way to heat the fuel just forward of the SVO/WVO tank would be to use Racor's coolant-heated fuel line heat exchanger, which would just involve running coolant lines to the SVO tank. Then use Neoteric Biofuels Vegetherm 12V heater just before the fuel filter - and, for those of us willing to be lab rats for WVO/SVO on direct-injection engines - use his not-yet-available Hotter Than Hell Vegetherm (or whatever he decides to call it.) If one is concerned about the SVO solidifying in the line between the Racor heat exchanger and the Vegetherm, use the HIH (although I'd rather not) or Racor's 12 volt In-Fuel-Line Diesel Heater. Using both the Vegetherm and the Racor 12V line heater might call for an alternator upgrade - the Racor pulls 20.4 amps, not sure what the Vegetherm's amperage is. Any opinions? Craig Dana Linscott wrote: Do SVO conversions really need heated tanks? I think not. My thoughts on this have changed since I went overboard on my own conversion. My SVO tank heats up to about 90*F in 15-25 minutes of driving(I have a remote temp. sensor on it) and as far as I am concerned this is wasted heat. Even more important I think I wasted effort and funds by building a tank that warms up all of the SVO in it. I now think that all that is needed is a small pocket of liquid SVO at the tank outlet if the SVO lines are heated (in my area they must be). This can be easily and cheaply accomplished with a small heater at the SVO pickup point. Most return lines are routed to near this point so once the warmed SVO is being circulated this pocket will grow larger. Even in subzero weather when the SVO is hard the entire tank will eventually warm enough so that progressively more and more SVO will liquefy. As long as enough SVO can be melted in that extreme cold to supply the engines needs the max.necessary heat is being applied to the SVO tank. Any more is overkill. If this is true it makes converting the main fuel tank to SVO much simpler and consequently the whole conversion becomes simpler. Since dieselor BD is only needed for starting and purging using the existing tank for SVO and installing a small diesel tank seem to me to be the optimum method for conversion. If one is using HIH or HOH to heat the lines a valve in the coolant supply line is all that is needed to allow use of the main tank for diesel again at any time. That warm coolant can also be used to provide the pocket of liquid SVO if a jacketed SVO pickup is fabricated. Easy to do. Basically it is a hose in a hose in a hose. Email me if you want a simple drawing as I don't believe that I can send an attachment to the group. An electric heater can also be used at the pickup point if an alternative method to heat the SVO line is being used. Ed, Would the Veg-therm work for this? Any others have thoughts or experiences on this? And thanks to those that have sent me links to other possible SVO sites. There is a lot of info out there if I can just find the time to wade through it and collate. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO -- Heated tanks ?
VEG-Therm max. ~ 30 amps. Climbs in first few seconds when first switched on, tapers off/increases as needed. Usual operation is considerably less than that if the balance of system is well designed for the vehicle and conditions. Heated tank is not needed in California, but HIH and at least a warm tank (by some means) needed in MN in winter. If running glycol lines to the back, might as well be a good HIH, it is still the best and cheapest heat exchanger one can devise and if on both supply and return lines keeps SVO from congealing in very cold overnight (or at highway speed ... think about chill factor under the car!!!) and also warms SVO in the tank. RE: The HTH VEG-Therm considered for development... only 2 responses so far. It would also draw max. 30 amps (per unit) as a design criteria. --- Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:50:27 -0800 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Vegoil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] SVO -- Heated tanks ? Dana, I'd love to think a heated tank isn't necessary. One way to heat the fuel just forward of the SVO/WVO tank would be to use Racor's coolant-heated fuel line heat exchanger, which would just involve running coolant lines to the SVO tank. Then use Neoteric Biofuels Vegetherm 12V heater just before the fuel filter - and, for those of us willing to be lab rats for WVO/SVO on direct-injection engines - use his not-yet-available Hotter Than Hell Vegetherm (or whatever he decides to call it.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO -- Heated tanks ?
Dana Linscott wrote: Do SVO conversions really need heated tanks? I think not. You obviously don't live in a cold climate. (snip) I now think that all that is needed is a small pocket of liquid SVO at the tank outlet if the SVO lines are heated (in my area they must be). This can be easily and cheaply accomplished with a small heater at the SVO pickup point. Most return lines are routed to near In a cold climate like MN or WI, what would happen is that the main part of the tank would solidify, the small pocket of warm, liquid oil would get used, leaving a hollow space around the tank outlet. Even transmissions (which you'd think would be hot enough by convection from the engine alone) have problems with the lube solidifying in Winter. (snip) -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
Here in Montana many have grille guards and a deer is not much problem in a pickup. I see the little Geo and Subaru etc in the body shop all messed up though. Neighbor lady plowed into a big one with her 4 door sedan and there was tranny fluid and blood for 200 feet. She likes to drive fast. It was tow truck time. Depends on the mass of the animal and how fast you are going --and-- if you have a stout grille guard. Some of the ones sold by dealers, like Dodge for example, bend and hit the hood. Flimsy. My guard also contained my winch so you can imagine it was stout. Kirk -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:52 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Why people like SUVs
Perhaps, I grazed one about 2 weeks ago, I was going down the road, when a 6 pointer lunged up out of a ditch next to the road. It was dark and the ditch is about 8' deep, and less then 3' from the edge of the road, by the time the deer was high enough that the lights from the car could shine on it, it was about 4 ' from the road and about 15' in front of the car, as soon as it got about 5' into the road, it stoped. I was moving about 55 and squeezed between it and the ditch smacking it in the ass with the drivers mirror. Their was no way I would have seen the deer sooner because untill it got to the top of the ditch, it was down out of sight. Greg H. Both my wife and my Father in law had their passenger side doors smashed in by deer this fall. My wife's car was $1700 damage and Father in laws is $3200. His also bent the roof and the rear door, and the post between them. He was nearly at a stop to let a deer cross in front of him. He never saw the one that hit him. And no, these are not unusual occurances. Avoidable? Maybe by staying home and locking your car in a garage! Motie It does save money on groceries. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 06:52:21AM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. Some people near here about a year ago hit a moose and it killed the 2 people sitting in the front (went in through the windshield). It has generally been statistically proven that smaller cars are more dangerous, and there are more deaths in them. Some interesting points.. in small car on small car accidents, there are more deaths than in large car on large car accidents, so it's not just big cars crushing little ones. When they crash test vehicles, they are using an immovable object into which they smash the vehicle. This is to simulate a head on with another vehicle the same size. Howerver, in real life, when you crash into an object like a gurder, a tree, telephone pole etc, weight of the vehicle does play an important part in deciding what will happen, and how fast you will decelerate. An excellent paper on this topic: http://www.fplc.edu/risk/vol3/spring/graham.htm A short article: http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/driving/articles/43802/article.html Accidents are always unpredictable though, you never know what might happen. I've driven small cars most of my life and have been fine, but, regarding safety, there is certainly a rational argument for larger vehicles. Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
- Original Message - Recyling methanol from glycerine. What does anyone have to say about pretreating the biodiesel with the leftover weaste glycerin with the methanol still init? mix the glyc, whicvh has meth and NAOH, then do a reaction with a corresponding lesser amount of reactants... anton berteaux. Keep going, you're doing very well. I can tell you it works well if you get it right, but I'm not free to tell you any more than that. Be encouraged! Best Keith Addison Anton I like the idea. Results of a couple of trials. Waste glycerine from a batch of well used solidified vegetable oil (Citation). 12.5ml conc aqueous NaOH and 225ml methanol per litre used for conversion. Filtered waste cotton seed oil (FWCSO) SG 0.9136. 1/. 400ml glycerine + 100ml FWCSO reacted at 55 deg C, mixed intermittently over one hour as temp held. Settled overnight, upper layer 145ml, SG 0.8957 Retreat bottom layer with another 100ml glycerine again increased volume SG 0.9072 2/. 600ml glycerine + 600ml FWCSO treatment as above. upper layer 760ml SG 0.9058 However pH of remaining glycerol just above 7 indicating that FFA in FWCSO had neutralised NaOH and probably would have limited the extent of the reaction. Further tests required but I will certainly be using this method to recover the excess methanol. By using more than the titrated ammount of NaOH an excess will remain in the glycerol to neutralise the FFA in the FWCSO. Or thr FWCSO could be neutralised with slaked lime. High levels of NaOH favour conversion of high FFA oils and tallow. Have found that for a given methanol level the more NaOH used the lower the SG and Viscosity of the BD. However yield volume drops off. Treating the glycerine with WVO could reclaim this loss. Keith, why the secrecy?. Regards Paul Gobert. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol
Keith; Thank you for your information. The message I received had the following in the Subject box: Re:[biofuel] ethanol and I opened this e-mail only because of the subject box message. I had generated several questions to the group a few days ago and I have only opened e-mails which subject box have the message Re:[biofuel] ethanol as to read any responses. THEREFORE, whom ever is sending the message(s) with a virus attached (as an attachment) somehow has the list (and my email account address) and the subject box is being sent as part of the e-mail to unsuspecting e-mail accounts. I don't comprehend how this works, I do understand everyones frustration though. Thanks again for your assistance. Gerry From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: ATTENTION - was Re: [biofuel] ethanol; virus found on this email attachment Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:59:10 +0900 Gringo VaLaCasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: McAfee found CARD.DOC.pif attachment which is an unrepairable virus file. McAfee said PWS-gen.Hooker Virus Found From: Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] ethanol For the third or fourth time, THIS LIST CANNOT TRANSMIT VIRUSES!!! These are FALSE messages with COUNTERFEIT addresses - no such message was sent via the Biofuels list, there is no such member of the Biofuels list as Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The virus raids people's address books and sends out this false garbage. This list does not accept attachments and transmits ONLY text-only messages, no coding, no html, no nothing accept ASCII, and certainly no viruses. Thankyou for your attention. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Glycerine pretreat (was Why people like SUVs
Paul, Just a suggestion - change the subject line. What you posted - the (valuable) results of your glycerin experiments - had nothing to do with Why People Like SUVs. For those of us that are on multiple Yahoo groups, deciding which threads to read and which to discard without reading is made more difficult by the fact that a new thread will start (as this one has) within a thread with a totally different subject matter. Netscape allows me to eliminate the entire thread with two keystrokes - but if I have to look at every post in even those threads that I have no interest in it's unnecessary time on my part. And - I've done it too. Thanks, Craig Paul Gobert wrote: - Original Message - Recyling methanol from glycerine. What does anyone have to say about pretreating the biodiesel with the leftover weaste glycerin with the methanol still init? mix the glyc, whicvh has meth and NAOH, then do a reaction with a corresponding lesser amount of reactants... anton berteaux. Keep going, you're doing very well. I can tell you it works well if you get it right, but I'm not free to tell you any more than that. Be encouraged! Best Keith Addison Anton I like the idea. Results of a couple of trials. Waste glycerine from a batch of well used solidified vegetable oil (Citation). 12.5ml conc aqueous NaOH and 225ml methanol per litre used for conversion. Filtered waste cotton seed oil (FWCSO) SG 0.9136. 1/. 400ml glycerine + 100ml FWCSO reacted at 55 deg C, mixed intermittently over one hour as temp held. Settled overnight, upper layer 145ml, SG 0.8957 Retreat bottom layer with another 100ml glycerine again increased volume SG 0.9072 2/. 600ml glycerine + 600ml FWCSO treatment as above. upper layer 760ml SG 0.9058 However pH of remaining glycerol just above 7 indicating that FFA in FWCSO had neutralised NaOH and probably would have limited the extent of the reaction. Further tests required but I will certainly be using this method to recover the excess methanol. By using more than the titrated ammount of NaOH an excess will remain in the glycerol to neutralise the FFA in the FWCSO. Or thr FWCSO could be neutralised with slaked lime. High levels of NaOH favour conversion of high FFA oils and tallow. Have found that for a given methanol level the more NaOH used the lower the SG and Viscosity of the BD. However yield volume drops off. Treating the glycerine with WVO could reclaim this loss. Keith, why the secrecy?. Regards Paul Gobert. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO--more on tank heat.
Craig and Wookie, I believe one still needs to heat some SVO in the tank...the pocket of liquefied SVO I proposed would be sufficient would be in the tank...I just don't think the whole tank needs to be heated...only a small area around the SVO outlet/fuel line pick up point. This would require that a small heater be in the tank itself but only enough so that the oil directly in contact with the outlet would become liquid. As one warmed up the engine in preparation for switchover a small pocket of liquefied SVO would form in the tank directly adjacent to the heated pick up point. Once switchover to SVO had occurred some warmed (to 170*F) SVO would be returned to the pocket of liquefied SVO and recirculated to the engine again. The warmed SVO in the pocket would also tend to melt into any frozen solid SVO adjacent to the pocket of warm SVO and the longer you drove the larger the pocket would grow until the entire tank is liquid...or at least no longer frozen solid. In my limited experience with SVO it becomes fairly thick as the temperature drops below freezing (0*C) but it still flows/slumps until the temp. drops to below 0*F. In temps lower than that it becomes frozen solid and must be warmed slightly to flow at all. One would have to keep an eye on the vacuum gauge to in very cold weather for a bit after switchover to make sure a vacuum was not developing due to the inability of the frozen solid SVO to slump or flow into the pocket of liquefied SVO surrounding the SVO outlet. If the heated SVO outlet was suspended vertically in the tank the pocket would form in a vertical cylinder around the pick up assembly and the possibility of exhausting the supply of liquid SVO would exist in extremely cold weather. Should this happen air might then be drawn into the line and you would have to switch over to your diesel tank while some more SVO melted into the pocket of liquid SVO. I seriously doubt this would happen in anything but temperatures of around -30*F and at that temp most diesels need to be warmed prior to starting via block heaters. I would suggest that a 110V AC pad heater strapped to the SVO tank below the SVO outlet would be the simple and cheap solution if one wished to run on SVO during extreme cold. Even simpler might be to forgo SVO for the short periods of time that such conditions exist in favor of winter grade diesel. Harmon, I do in fact live in central MN where it can get very cold during the dead of winter...down to -40*F. I am familiar with the solidification and semi-solidification of SVO in cold weather and I don't think that a cavity could form around a heated SVO pickup.. Where would the air come from to form such a cavity unless it extended to the top of the SVO surface in the tank?I suppose if the level of SVO was very low and the temperature were sub zero the combination might cause a conical pocket to form around the heated SVO pickup preventing the very bottom of the SVO in the tank from getting warm enough to become semi-solid and slump into the depression so formed. It depends a bit on how much hot SVO is returned to the tank via the return line. That would be a disadvantage that could be easily solved by keeping the SVO tank moatly filled in extreme cold weather, using a pad heater, or switching to winter grade diesel for the short period of extreme cold weather. I believe the advantages outweigh this possible disadvantage IMHO. These advantages are: Simplification of conversion and attendant lower cost. Ability to easily convert the existing fuel tank of most vehicles to SVO. Faster warm-up of the SVO around the outlet and consequent shorter time to SVO switchover. Smaller possibility of coolant contamination of SVO due to in tank coolant loop leaks. Faster engine warm up due to less coolant heat being diverted to cold SVO tank. This is of course just my opinion as I stated earlier and mainly due to rethinking the huge coolant loop I currently have in my SVO tank. If you feel you must heat the whole tank I would at least consider concentrating the loop around the SVO tank pick up point to speed liquefication of the SVO that will be used first. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO heating
Stephan Helbig wrote: Hello, I've just searched the net for some useful winter improvements. This is what I found: An immersion heater for tanks: http://www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm Instant heaters at 300w and more: http://www.maesco.com/products/racor/r_c_intro/r_c_intro.html A filter heater ring had been produced by Monark at product number: 30 794 080. Maybe ask for some left ones: http://www.monark.de/index1.html Stephan -- http://www.talknet.de/~sthl/ Send SMS to +49/174/5678 845 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SVO/WVO: Racor LFS filters?
Anyone out there successfully using the Racor LFS remote-mount filters for SVO/WVO? Joshua Tickell recommends them in From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank but someone - Ed from Neoteric - said he'd heard that they were hard to clean. But I just talked to a guy who uses them on several WVO-powered vehicles, and says they're very easy to clean. For those not familiar with them, they are designed as remote-mount engine oil filters (but can be used for filtering any oil including vegetable oil) and have a stainless mesh screen that's removable - you loosen four nuts, pull the disc-shaped mesh screen out, wash it in solvent, and pop it back it. The smaller size is available in 28 micron - good for pre-filtering, and is also available with a dash-mounted light that alerts you when it's full of crud and has gone into bypass mode. Which would be an alternative to a vacuum gauge. The larger unit is available is 28, 10 and 2 micron - and I'd probably go with the 10 micron. The advantage of these units is that there's no need to buy replaceable paper filter elements (or add them to the landfill.) Another claimed advantage (by the guy who uses them) is that it's his opinion that unless heated, paper filters will clog when used with SVO/WVO. Anyone have any experience to the contrary? The only disadvantage to them I can see (unless they really are hard to clean) is that they don't separate out water. I plan to pre-filter WVO or SVO before I add it to the tank with West Marine's Baja Fuel Filter - a large aluminum funnel with three stacked filtering screens, one of which filters out water. But for those of you running SVO or WVO without fuel filters with water separators - any problems traceable to water in you fuel? Thanks in advance, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Dana, I checked out the Webb after it was posted, but it seems it only produces a 32 degree (F) temperature rise - not enough to achieve the 170 needed (or the 300 deemed optimum for direct injection.) Or are you just proposing using it to get the SVO hot enough to flow, then adding heat downstream somehow? That must be your plan. I don't remember your posting about how you'd heating the SVO/WVO - but I've posted some of the methods I'm considering - Neoterics inline electric heater (or, in my case, with direct injection, their proposed HD model) or Racor's Coolant Heater - which will raise fuel temps as much as 89 degrees F (!) I think you are on to something. Are you planning on selling any of your Webb-type immersion heaters? And I also like the simplicity of your suggestion that pre-filtering to 5 microns makes anything other than the stock filter unnecessary. Unless it's true as I've heard from some that paper filters won't handle SVO/WVO. And - love to hear about your simple filtration unit. Craig Dana Linscott wrote: Craig, I don't like the possability of mixing coolant with SVO either. I have a cheaper, simpler way than a custom tank though. It is not original though as I have just recieved a link to a commercially avilable unit that is nearly identical to what I have designed. The Webb Hotstick. This is the link. www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm On your filter post... I don't see why one would have to use any filter other than the one already on the vehicle if you filter to 5 microns prior to putting in tank. From my experience it is much simpler and (again) cheaper to do so. I am about to post a description of my cheap and easy WVO filter unit. Might be useful. Of course ther is more than one way to skin a cat...as they say. Dana --- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana, I realize that you are trying to avoid heating the fuel tank, but on the subject of heating the tank: I don't like the idea of a coolant loop inside the tank - the possibility of intermixing of coolant and SVO scares me. So I'm having a stainless tank built with a false bottom approx. 1 deep x the footprint of the tank, to be filled with coolant (and pressure-tested for leaks at the welds between the two tanks - where the false bottom welds inside the tank.) snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: SVO heating
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephan Helbig wrote: Hello, I've just searched the net for some useful winter improvements. This is what I found: An immersion heater for tanks: http://www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm If the Webb hot stick will fit in the tank on your vehicle, it will definitely work. Loggers have been using them for years here in Minnesota to heat fuel and hydraulic oil tanks. They are usually plumbed in series with the fuel getting the hottest coolant, then over to the oil tank. For faster engine warm-up, turn all your lights and electrical loads on full. The alternator will have to work harder, and it makes the engine pull. I also use a coolant-heated fuel filter base. I don't know if anyone makes a small version for small vehicles or not. There probably isn't room for a full-sized truck fuel filter on most small vehicles. Possibly a machinist could make one up? Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Popularity of sport/utility vehicles
Sorry but I must disagree,at least for the US. There are plenty of autos available for the folks that want a sporty/high horsepower vehicle...at least in the US. No horsepower resriction that I know of on cars. I can easily get a much higher performance auto than SUV for less money. SUVs' are popular in the US mainly because folks want to have a single vehicle that will haul them to work as well as haul thier Boat, Snowmobiles, Travel trailer, lumber, firewood, etc. when needed. The economics are it is cheaper to own one vehicle that uses more fuel than needed most of the time than two vehicles one of which is a fuel efficient auto. Of course in two vehicle familys (of which there are many) the alternative is two econo cars and a SUV which is only used to when loads need to be hauled. And so on. A few do it because they percieve bigger as safer(incorrectly)..and others for the status symbol. But for performance...SUV's are relative DOGS. Dana --- F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive me for stating the obvious, but nobody else has yet... SUVs are popular because they are the only way to get around the horsepower restrictions that make most Government-regulated production cars too sluggish for many drivers. Many jurisdictions have some kind of exemption for utility vehicles, hence their popularity. For those who can't afford SUVs, there is a lively trade in older muscle cars in the States and an even livelier one in conversion/upgrade kits. Marc de Piolenc Iligan City, Philippines -- Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 Rather than make war on the American people and their liberties, ...Congress should be looking for ways to empower them to protect themselves when warranted. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited PC-PC calling at Crystal Voice! - Only $1/Mo. Download your free 30 day trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gb1xVB/GxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Motie, You wrote: The 32 degree temperature rise, is for a much higher flow rate than you will have. For a small vehicle, it should heat the fuel to nearly full coolant temp. Motie Great! I've emailed Webb, but any idea of rough cost for a Hot STK with integrated fuel sender? Thanks, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Win a Capcom Console Game. http://us.click.yahoo.com/smpz8B/fxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
--- craig you wrote: Dana, I checked out the Webb after it was posted, but it seems it only produces a 32 degree (F) temperature rise I think that is at a fairly high volume of fuel...or possibly it has a thermostat that limits it to a certain temp. - not enough to achieve the 170 needed (or the 300 deemed optimum for direct injection.) Or are you just proposing using it to get the SVO hot enough to flow, then adding heat downstream somehow? That must be your plan. Yes, that is the plan. Heat just enough WVO to get it to liquify and flow easily into the lines where it is heated further. Then an electric boost warmer close to the injection pump...or better yet after it...slaved to the SVO switch. On switchover the SVO that has been sitting in the lines is very warm and most of it is recirculated back to the SVO tank and again through the line..and so on. I understand that up to 80% of the SVO is recirculated back to the tank rather than being injected into the combustion cylinder. I don't remember your posting about how you'd heating the SVO/WVO - but I've posted some of the methods I'm considering - Neoterics inline electric heater (or, in my case, with direct injection, their proposed HD model) or Racor's Coolant Heater - which will raise fuel temps as much as 89 degrees F (!) I plan on using a Hose ON Hose. It is what I use now and avoids the possability of coolant mixing with SVO. In the reconversion though I will use poly tubing bundled together outer with a foam cover rather than the coolant hose and fuel line I used last time...much less expensive. Simple, cheap, safe. I think you are on to something. Are you planning on selling any of your Webb-type immersion heaters? No, but they are pretty basic and could be welded up cheaply by any welder. I would be happy to supply a design. Maybe Ed Beggs would be interested in becomming a supplier if there is no patent in effect. Do you know how much the Webb hotstick heaters cost? I think that it would be simple to retrofit the existing diesel tanks in converted vehicles by dropping the tank and cutting a hole in the top. A hotstick would be slipped in till it nearly touched the bottom and then be epoxied in place. A slight angle would work even better than vertical. And I also like the simplicity of your suggestion that pre-filtering to 5 microns makes anything other than the stock filter unnecessary. Unless it's true as I've heard from some that paper filters won't handle SVO/WVO. Much simpler...and I have had no problems with my paper filters either on the F250 or the ones I use when processing WVO. Ed posted the 5 micron idea a while back...a good idea..not mine though. And - love to hear about your simple filtration unit. Just posted it. Cheap and simple...like me! Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Popularity of sport/utility vehicles
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but I must disagree,at least for the US. SUVs' are popular in the US mainly because folks want to have a single vehicle that will haul them to work as well as haul thier Boat, Snowmobiles, Travel trailer, lumber, firewood, etc. when needed. The economics are it is cheaper to own one vehicle that uses more fuel than needed most of the time than two vehicles one of which is a fuel efficient auto. Of course in two vehicle familys (of which there are many) the alternative is two econo cars and a SUV which is only used to when loads need to be hauled. There is also the issue of mandatory insurance costs. If you buy an older, larger vehicle for occasional use, it will last forever. But who can afford to pay for insurance costs on a vehicle sitting around? It's cheaper to sell one of the fuel efficient cars and use the money saved on insurance to buy fuel for the larger, safer one. My 2 cents, Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Unlimited PC-PC calling at Crystal Voice! - Only $1/Mo. Download your free 30 day trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gb1xVB/GxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Great! I've emailed Webb, but any idea of rough cost for a Hot STK with integrated fuel sender? Thanks, Craig I've never bought one with an integrated sender, but I think the plain one is about $70. BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR TANK DEPTH! You need to buy the correct length. Too long will not fit into the tank, and too short will not draw to the bottom of the tank. I don't know if the fuel gauge sending unit is the same size in small vehicles. The Webb is made to replace the original sending unit in big truck tanks. Motie I noticed we gained a new feature today. Animated adds in the messages. We get what we pay for? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
