date:20020812


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: STI News: This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water
>Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:10:21 -0600
>
>This message was forwarded to you from Straits Times Interactive 
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>
>Comments from sender:
>Hi Keith,
>Water and bunker fuel can mixed!
>Got this from our localpapers yesterday.
>Regards
>Gerry
>
>This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water
>
>
>
> MANILA - Water as fuel may well have been dismissed as a foolish 
>proposition several years ago. Not anymore.
>
> After nearly a quarter century of research, Filipino plant mechanic 
>Rudy Lantano has developed an industrial fuel composed of 40-50 per 
>cent water, 50 per cent bunker oil and 5 per cent additives.
>
> A cheaper and an environment-friendly alternative to bunker fuel, 
>the Super Bunker Formula-L is now being sold commercially to power 
>factories, power plants, boilers and generators.
>
> 'It is environmentally safe and could be the ultimate solution to 
>global warming,' Mr Lantano said recently.
>
> The Department of Science and Technology (DOST) and the National 
>Power Corporation, the two government agencies which have tested the 
>fuel, said the water-based bunker fuel emits less pollutants and 
>reduces ignition smoke emission from 1,000 parts per million to 55 
>ppm.
>
> 'It causes less pollution, resulting in a cleaner and healthier 
>environment,' said the 60-year-old inventor, who was awarded the 
>gold medal by the World Intellectual Property Organisation in 1996 
>for his invention.
>
> For the Philippines, which imports the bulk of its energy needs, 
>the use of hydro-bunker fuel could mean millions of dollars in 
>savings.
>
> Mr Lantano, whose research has been aided and endorsed by the 
>government, has also developed two other alternative fuel mixes: 
>Alco-diesel and Lan-gas.
>
> Alco-diesel is a blend of hydrous ethyl alcohol and diesel fuel 
>that can be used to power compression engines.
>
> Lan-gas, on the other hand, is a mixture of alcohol and petrol that 
>can be used to fuel spark-ignition engines.
>
> Use of these alternative fuel mixes does not require changes in 
>existing engines, and, therefore, can be used for any vehicle, 
>according to Mr Lantano.
>
> Private companies such as Pilipinas Shell Petroleum Corporation, 
>which have tested Alco-diesel in particular, said the fuel blend 
>produces more engine power and enables vehicles to accelerate faster 
>and obtain more mileage per litre of fuel.
>
> The DOST estimates Alco-diesel, if available commercially 
>throughout the country, will save Manila from buying up to three 
>million barrels of diesel oil annually.
>
> At present, the three types of alternative fuel are sold only in 12 
>Lan-gas stations owned by Mr Lantano, and in stations managed by 
>independent oil retailers.
>
> But in coming months, Mr Lantano is setting up plants in Thailand 
>and in the United States.
>
> The American authorities have assured him that the US plant, to be 
>built in Maryland, will be exempted from paying any taxes.
>
> An oil company in the United Arab Emirates has also approached him 
>for a possible tie-up.
>
> Although multinational oil companies still dominate the oil market 
>in most parts of the world, Mr Lantano predicts global warming and 
>the worsening air pollution in urban areas would eventually jack up 
>demand for alternative and environment-friendly fuel.
>IP Address:203.126.246.203
>


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[biofuels-biz] Some essential questions

2002-08-12 Thread glenne1949



What are the specific commodities  upon which we are absolutely dependent?  
What are the possibilities that each of these commodities might become scarce 
or (like petroleum products) controlled,  and at risk to becoming 
prohibitively expensive?  How might one go about becoming independent of each 
of these commodities by developing spedific alternatives, the production or 
generation of which can be brought under individual control?. How widespread 
is the intrerest in becoming independent?  What would be the costs of 
developing these resources? 

These essential commodities appear to be the ones at potential risk:  food, 
water, fuel for heating and/or transportation, and for electrical power 
generation. 

Terrorism  introduces a new dimension to the subject, for  example the 
potential for widespread  virul contamination or disruption to which 
civilized cultures appear to be  especially vulnerable.  I.e.,  contamination 
of water supplies, and widespread  airborne biological  comtamination of  
plant and animal life, to disrupt the food chain, if not human life directly. 
  Also, to some biological warfare agents there appear to be no known 
antidotes and;/or vaccines,  suggesting the prospect of quarantine.  .  .

What are the essential design elements of  a system or systems that would be 
effective as possible in protecting  an individual or groups of individuals  
from these potential hazards?   Are the design problems so significant that 
they can not be addressed except on a regional basis?  At the same time could 
these hazards be handled while at the same time maintaining  present living 
standards?  To what extent and how; in addressing these potential hazards,  
must the present culture(s) necessarily be changed?.  
. 
Glenn Ellis 
.





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[biofuels-biz] FW: (Livable Communities) The best article on climate change

-- Forwarded Message
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:36:26 -0700
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Subject: (Livable Communities) The best article on climate change

This is worth reading and forwarding to other lists you are on.

The sky IS falling.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0231/romoth.php

Patrick M. Condon
UBC James Taylor Chair in Landscape and Liveable Environments
Faculty of Agricultural Sciences
2357 Main Mall
Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z4
604 822 9291
www.sustainable-communities.agsci.ubc.ca

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[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Biodiesel uses - Stock feed !!!!


>From: "Anthony R Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Biodiesel uses - Stock feed 
>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:50:53 +0800
>
>Keith,
>I thought that you may find this link of interest.  It should solve 
>ALL glycerol disposal problems !
>http://www.regional.org.au/au/gcirc/1/241.htm
>regards,
>Tony Clark
>President
>WA Renewable Fuels Association Inc.


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[biofuel] India Gasohol Possibility

2002-08-12 Thread MH


 GASOHOL SALE WILL BE MADE MANDATORY FOR OIL MARKETING FIRMS
 (eight States to sell gasohol from 1 Jan 2003)
 August 3, 2002 8:48pm
 07/29/2002 
 Financial Times Information Limited - Asia Africa Intelligence Wire 
 
http://hoovnews.hoovers.com/fp.asp?layout=displaynews&doc_id=NR20020804670.2_c8cde847a625

 The Government of India is likely to make sale of gasohol
 (a blend of ethanol and petrol) mandatory for all oil-marketing companies.
 To begin with, blended petrol will be sold in eight States:
 Uttar Pradesh,  Andhra Pradesh,  Karnataka,  Maharashtra,
 Gujarat,  Tamil Nadu,  Punjab and  Haryana
 from 1 Jan 2003. 

 In the second phase, the entire country will sell gasohol.
 The move comes as a boon to sugarcane growers,
 who can now sell their raw material to the petrol industry.
 Petrol companies, however, are not happy with the move,
 as they already have excessive capacity
 and introduction of gasohol will reduce the demand for petroleum products. 

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[biofuel] Australia Ethanol Possibility

2002-08-12 Thread MH


 Ethanol may save farmers
 August 6 2002
 Sydney Morning Herald
 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/05/1028157909968.html

 Ten per cent of petrol would be made from ethanol
 under a plan put to the Federal Government by a backbench committee. 

 The chairwoman of the coalition's sugar task force,
 National Party MP De-Anne Kelly, said
 fuel should contain 10 per cent ethanol by 2005
 and climb to 20 per cent by 2010.

 The sugar and grains industries have been pushing to
 have ethanol made a mandatory component of fuel.
 They believe ethanol can become the basis of a new market,
 and reduce Australia's reliance on oil.

 Ms Kelly, who represents the northern Queensland seat of Dawson,
 said grain and cane farming communities would benefit
 from a legislated amount of ethanol in the fuel supply.

 "This is the only way in which a genuine large-scale market for ethanol
 can be created in Australia," she said.
 "Voluntary targets will not achieve a widespread use of ethanol." 

 Ms Kelly said she expected strong opposition from "vested interests". 

 She also said the proposal was not a cure-all for the sugar industry,
 which is suffering from low prices.

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[biofuel] UK Ethanol Possibility

2002-08-12 Thread MH

Western Morning News:
Financial Times Information Limited - Europe Intelligence Wire

America gassed up on maize-based auto fuel
August 7, 2002 4:07pm

http://hoovnews.hoovers.com/fp.asp?layout=displaynews&doc_id=NR20020807670.4_fd3e001bdf5b800f

RSPB South West policy officer Mark Robins is on a fact-finding tour
of the USA TRAVELLING around the American Mid-West,
it's quite normal now to pull into a petrol (gas!) station
and have the option of buying an ethanol-based fuel.

OK, so its only ten per cent by bulk - but this maize-based fuel
is hitting it big time here. Last week a shiny new ethanol plant
owned by a co-operative of corn and soya bean farmers
in Cottonwood County, Minnesota was pointed out to me.

Located next to the railway line (yes, the railway still exists)
for ease of shipping, I thought this was something
to stimulate the minds back home. Here's an industrial revolution
in which petroleum-based resources are replaced with
annually-renewable ones, such as corn and other plant materials.

As an industrial revolution alone this story paints a way forward,
a third option for the commodity farmers in the Beans and Corn Belt.
Add to this the potentials to get into the renewables business
and we start to get the double whammy policy makers are continually searching
for.

It's the business and environment agenda that interests me
and should make the rural enterprise community sit up in England.

In the US, bio-industrial development in plant matter-based materials
and products is expected to grow to $470 billion dollars by the end of this
decade.
The business includes ethanol production, biodiesel,
carbohydrate-based industrial goods, and bio plastics.

I'm no man for agri-business, but if we were to take this road in the South
West
surely we would want to see these products manufactured in ways that
protected the environment, enhanced rural communities and provided
positive economic benefits to farmers and other local businesses.

To do this there is some ground-breaking work to be got right.
Each stage of the production, manufacturing, distribution, and disposal of
bio-based industrial products, will significantly affect
our environment, our economy and our communities.

Surely we should want to avoid an emerging carbohydrate economy
being just as destructive as the current petroleum dominated economy?
Starting with the consumers, it is exactly this possibility
of the economic, social, and ecological win-win-win that would attract
many customers to bio-based products. These positive attributes
are key to engaging widespread public interest
and getting the Government interested in such products.

A growing number of buyers are attracted to bio-based products
and investors are showing a preference to the companies that make them.
They want their purchases to be directed towards protecting the environment,
and supporting local producers and the overall economy.

Turning the possibility of sustainability into reality is critical to
gaining and maintaining consumer confidence in a new carbohydrate economy.
One critical component will be the development and implementation of
industry-wide standards that are based on the idea of
the "triple bottom line" - economic, ecological, and community sustainability.
Standards are tedious things, but let's get this one right. The strength of
the organic sector in the UK has been its unambiguous focus on standards.
At the farm level, bio-production standards must ensure that
the feedstocks are being grown, processed, and transported in ways that
protect the environment, promote the economic well-being of the producers
and enhance the communities affected by production.
Manufacturers of plastics made of maize, switchgrass/mesocanthus,
or other agricultural products, will be able to use these standards to ensure
that the environmental benefits of their products are doubly enhanced
by the environmental benefits of sustainably produced raw materials
for bio-based products. These standards are the route to that market advantage.
Where will these standards emerge from? A wide range of bodies, including
the RSPB, are developing approaches for other farming sectors.

Maybe this would be a good one for a progressive alliance of farming and
environmental groups.

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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?

2002-08-12 Thread Steve Spence




- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Witmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:18 PM
Subject: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?


> I'm interested in any learned opinions on the following items. I'm 
> curious to know whether they are worthwhile from an economic and/or 
> environmental perspective. (And I wonder if the results will vary 
> depending on whether biodiesel or dinodiesel is being used.)
> 
> "The Vitalizer" claims to increase fuel efficiency by 5-21% and reduce 
> pollution by 25-66%
> http://www.help-our-environment.com/

SCAM

> 
> AutoEngineLube kit claims to save wear and tear on the engine by 
> pre-lubing bearings even before the engine starts to turn over.
> http://www.autoenginelube.com/

VALID

> 
> The following three links are all for add-on kits to enable the 
> injection of propane (I'm sure methane would work similarly if one had a 
> supply of it) via the engine air intake; the result is supposed to be 
> near-perfect combustion of the diesel fuel with correspondingly better 
> fuel efficiency, greater power and lower pollution . . .
> http://www.tsperformanceproducts.com/propane.asp
> http://www.usdieselparts.com/bullydog.htm
> http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/home.html

VALID

> 
> Finally, I'm also interested in any recommendations as to the best way 
> to de-carbonize diesel engines, short of an overhaul. I have seen 
> various fuel additives and also stuff that you spray through the air 
> intake and I'm curious as to how well any of these really work.

BIODIESEL (great solvent)

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Christopher Witmer
> Tokyo

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[biofuel] Use of cattail in Australia

2002-08-12 Thread henning


I am working on the carbonisation and briketting of cattail (Typha spec.) to 
substitute charcoal in West Africa (see also http://www.typha.net).

I learned from sombody, that for the preparation of the Olypics in Australia 
the organisers had to clean a big water surface from Typha, because it was 
needed for the games. 

For this reason they invented a real chain of harvesting and use 
(chatcoal-substitute?), including different machines.

Is anybody familiar with this and / or could somebody give me some addresses, 
where I could get some more information?

Regards

Reinhard Henning

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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?

Steve Spence wrote:
 > - Original Message -
 > From: "Christopher Witmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>Finally, I'm also interested in any recommendations as to the best way 
>>to de-carbonize diesel engines, short of an overhaul. I have seen 
>>various fuel additives and also stuff that you spray through the air 
>>intake and I'm curious as to how well any of these really work.
> 
> BIODIESEL (great solvent)

Gee, why didn't I think of that? Talk about a stupid Q! But thanks for 
the straight dope on those gadgets, Steve.

Christopher Witmer
Tokyo

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[biofuel] Fwd: STI News: This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: STI News: This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water
>Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:10:21 -0600
>
>This message was forwarded to you from Straits Times Interactive 
>(http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg) by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Comments from sender:
>Hi Keith,
>Water and bunker fuel can mixed!
>Got this from our localpapers yesterday.
>Regards
>Gerry
>
>This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water
>
>
>
> MANILA - Water as fuel may well have been dismissed as a foolish 
>proposition several years ago. Not anymore.
>
> After nearly a quarter century of research, Filipino plant mechanic 
>Rudy Lantano has developed an industrial fuel composed of 40-50 per 
>cent water, 50 per cent bunker oil and 5 per cent additives.
>
> A cheaper and an environment-friendly alternative to bunker fuel, 
>the Super Bunker Formula-L is now being sold commercially to power 
>factories, power plants, boilers and generators.
>
> 'It is environmentally safe and could be the ultimate solution to 
>global warming,' Mr Lantano said recently.
>
> The Department of Science and Technology (DOST) and the National 
>Power Corporation, the two government agencies which have tested the 
>fuel, said the water-based bunker fuel emits less pollutants and 
>reduces ignition smoke emission from 1,000 parts per million to 55 
>ppm.
>
> 'It causes less pollution, resulting in a cleaner and healthier 
>environment,' said the 60-year-old inventor, who was awarded the 
>gold medal by the World Intellectual Property Organisation in 1996 
>for his invention.
>
> For the Philippines, which imports the bulk of its energy needs, 
>the use of hydro-bunker fuel could mean millions of dollars in 
>savings.
>
> Mr Lantano, whose research has been aided and endorsed by the 
>government, has also developed two other alternative fuel mixes: 
>Alco-diesel and Lan-gas.
>
> Alco-diesel is a blend of hydrous ethyl alcohol and diesel fuel 
>that can be used to power compression engines.
>
> Lan-gas, on the other hand, is a mixture of alcohol and petrol that 
>can be used to fuel spark-ignition engines.
>
> Use of these alternative fuel mixes does not require changes in 
>existing engines, and, therefore, can be used for any vehicle, 
>according to Mr Lantano.
>
> Private companies such as Pilipinas Shell Petroleum Corporation, 
>which have tested Alco-diesel in particular, said the fuel blend 
>produces more engine power and enables vehicles to accelerate faster 
>and obtain more mileage per litre of fuel.
>
> The DOST estimates Alco-diesel, if available commercially 
>throughout the country, will save Manila from buying up to three 
>million barrels of diesel oil annually.
>
> At present, the three types of alternative fuel are sold only in 12 
>Lan-gas stations owned by Mr Lantano, and in stations managed by 
>independent oil retailers.
>
> But in coming months, Mr Lantano is setting up plants in Thailand 
>and in the United States.
>
> The American authorities have assured him that the US plant, to be 
>built in Maryland, will be exempted from paying any taxes.
>
> An oil company in the United Arab Emirates has also approached him 
>for a possible tie-up.
>
> Although multinational oil companies still dominate the oil market 
>in most parts of the world, Mr Lantano predicts global warming and 
>the worsening air pollution in urban areas would eventually jack up 
>demand for alternative and environment-friendly fuel.
>IP Address:203.126.246.203
>


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RE: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of aspen

2002-08-12 Thread Hakan Falk



I found this very interesting and if anyone knows more data on other
trees and plants, I like to know. With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of land.

The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and annual
oil consumption would need  11,699,000 square km. This is more than
the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of world), it
would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its land mass,
or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
average can be lowered to the current consumption for California, it
only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption level, it
will need 8% of its land mass.

It is an extreme example, but it does send a message about the need
of efficient energy usage and this includes the recent discussions about
SUV, corporate greed etc.

Hakan


At 07:35 PM 8/10/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>The outer covering of the seeds contains a solid fat known as Chinese
>vegetable tallow, and the kernels produce a drying oil called stillingia
>oil. Candles, soap, cloth dressing, and fuel are made from the tallow. The
>oil is used in machine oils, as a crude lamp oil, in making varnishes and
>paints (because of its quick-drying properties), and as a substitute for
>linseed oil. The oil is also reportedly used in Chinese medicine as an
>emetic or purgative, but overdoses can cause violent sickness and perhaps
>death (Duke 1983). S. sebiferum may represent an industrial toxic hazard in
>terms of both pro-inflammatory and tumor-promoting effects (Brooks et al.
>1987). After the seeds have been processed, the residual cakes are often
>used as fertilizer/green manure. A black dye can be made by boiling leaves
>of S. sebiferum in alum water (Duke 1983). Tallow wood is white and
>close-grained, suitable for carving and for making blocks in Chinese
>printing. The wood is also used for furniture making and incense.
>
>In the early 1900s, the Foreign Plant Introduction Division of the U.S.
>Department of Agriculture introduced S. sebiferum into Texas and other parts
>of the Gulf Coast states in order to establish a local soap industry (Scheld
>and Cowles 1981). In the 1970s and early 1980s, S. sebiferum was regarded as
>a promising biomass candidate in the Gulf Coast region of the United States
>because of its ability to resprout, its rapid growth rate, and its drought
>and salt tolerance (Scheld and Cowles 1981). Field trials demonstrate that
>it can produce six times as much woody biomass as cottonwoods and aspens
>(Populus spp.) in Wisconsin (Scheld and Cowles 1981). S. sebiferum can be
>easily grown by conventional agricultural methods and can provide woody
>biomass for direct burning or for conversion into charcoal, ethanol, or
>methanol (Scheld and Cowles 1981).
>
>Oil from S. sebiferum seeds can potentially be a substitute for petroleum.
>Scheld et al. (1980) reports yields of S. sebiferum seeds ranging from 4,000
>to 10,000 kg/ha, and estimates that 25 barrels of oil per year can be
>produced as a source of energy. In addition to its biomass and energy value,
>S. sebiferum has been extensively planted and propagated for ornamental
>purposes (Duke 1983).
>
>  http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/esadocs/documnts/sapiseb.html
>
>25 barrels of oil annually per hectare is pretty impressive
>Kirk
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Re: [biofuel] Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

2002-08-12 Thread Kim & Garth Travis

Curtis Sakima wrote:

> Take a HOSE and WASH out the inside  now THERE'S a
> vehicle I would support!!
> 
Just be careful of the time of year!  I did it to a van 

once that seriously needed it but it took dragging it to a 
heated garage to thaw out the door so they would open.  I was a 1973 
ford E100, short box, with a 300 six in it.  Got great gas mileage, 
hauled anything, [I was a courier] and in the summer it was easy to 
clean.  I would love to be able to buy something like that again.
Bright Blessings,
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Re: [biofuel] Fwd: STI News: This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water

Fresh water, I assume?

Uh, we sort of need that for other things. We assume it to be a limitless
and cheap resource. It's not.

Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?

2002-08-12 Thread Ken


Here is some great material written from RV experience about making
batteries last and last:

http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html

Ken

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?


> I'm exploring the possibilities of becoming my own electric company, so
> to speak. Any recommendations concerning BATTERIES? Is it practical to
> try to make batteries by oneself, or should only some manufacturer's
> products be used? If anyone has good ideas about ways of obtaining used
> but still usable batteries, I'd love to hear about that! I hate the idea
> of using batteries that have to be junked and can't be readily recycled
> every few years . . . If I can't make my own and have to buy them, at
> least I'd like some that are either "dirt cheap" or capable of being
> maintained for LONG life, or (preferably) both. And I definitely would
> prefer batteries that can be recycled into something useful when they
> are no longer any good as batteries.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christopher Witmer
> Tokyo
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[biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

I haven't added anything to this thread, but I'm in the process of
changing the gas-guzzlin' V8 in my Land Rover Defender to the Land Rover
300 Tdi, with a 2nd heated tank for straight vegetable oil. And there
are a few SUV's out there that come stock with diesel engines -
Suburbans with the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel being probably the most
plentiful, but out there but more rare are things like diesel Isuzu
Troopers, diesel International Scouts, etc.

I even ran across a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser for sale the other day -
an '82 FJ60, originally from Canada.

Craig

Kim & Garth Travis wrote:

>
>
> Curtis Sakima wrote:
>
> > Take a HOSE and WASH out the inside  now THERE'S a
> > vehicle I would support!!
> >
> Just be careful of the time of year!  I did it to a van
>
> once that seriously needed it but it took dragging it to a
> heated garage to thaw out the door so they would open.  I was a 1973
> ford E100, short box, with a 300 six in it.  Got great gas mileage,
> hauled anything, [I was a courier] and in the summer it was easy to
> clean.  I would love to be able to buy something like that again.
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
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Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

2002-08-12 Thread Curtis Sakima


Oh, btw, there's also diesel Nissan Pathfinders.  I
came across that while studying Nissan's VIN number
meanings.  In the Pathfinder series there is an engine
"choice" of "diesel".

Curtis


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Re: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of aspen

2002-08-12 Thread Appal Energy


Hakan,

Should one presume that your are referencing total fossil oil
consumption or only distillate fuel oils?

By last count, the US consumes ~57,000,000,000 gallons of
distillate fuel oil annually.

At 42 gallons a barrel for sapium sebiferum and 25 barrels per
hectare (2.47 acres), that's equivalent to 209,509 square miles.
or a land mass 458 miles x 458 miles.

One very large chunk of real estate, completly discounting other
distillate and non-distillate fractions.

Todd Swearingen


- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of
aspen


>
> I found this very interesting and if anyone knows more data on
other
> trees and plants, I like to know. With 25 barrels per hectare,
the current
> annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of
land.
>
> The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and
annual
> oil consumption would need  11,699,000 square km. This is more
than
> the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of
world), it
> would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its land
mass,
> or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
> average can be lowered to the current consumption for
California, it
> only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption level,
it
> will need 8% of its land mass.
>
> It is an extreme example, but it does send a message about the
need
> of efficient energy usage and this includes the recent
discussions about
> SUV, corporate greed etc.
>
> Hakan
>
>
> At 07:35 PM 8/10/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >The outer covering of the seeds contains a solid fat known as
Chinese
> >vegetable tallow, and the kernels produce a drying oil called
stillingia
> >oil. Candles, soap, cloth dressing, and fuel are made from the
tallow. The
> >oil is used in machine oils, as a crude lamp oil, in making
varnishes and
> >paints (because of its quick-drying properties), and as a
substitute for
> >linseed oil. The oil is also reportedly used in Chinese
medicine as an
> >emetic or purgative, but overdoses can cause violent sickness
and perhaps
> >death (Duke 1983). S. sebiferum may represent an industrial
toxic hazard in
> >terms of both pro-inflammatory and tumor-promoting effects
(Brooks et al.
> >1987). After the seeds have been processed, the residual cakes
are often
> >used as fertilizer/green manure. A black dye can be made by
boiling leaves
> >of S. sebiferum in alum water (Duke 1983). Tallow wood is
white and
> >close-grained, suitable for carving and for making blocks in
Chinese
> >printing. The wood is also used for furniture making and
incense.
> >
> >In the early 1900s, the Foreign Plant Introduction Division of
the U.S.
> >Department of Agriculture introduced S. sebiferum into Texas
and other parts
> >of the Gulf Coast states in order to establish a local soap
industry (Scheld
> >and Cowles 1981). In the 1970s and early 1980s, S. sebiferum
was regarded as
> >a promising biomass candidate in the Gulf Coast region of the
United States
> >because of its ability to resprout, its rapid growth rate, and
its drought
> >and salt tolerance (Scheld and Cowles 1981). Field trials
demonstrate that
> >it can produce six times as much woody biomass as cottonwoods
and aspens
> >(Populus spp.) in Wisconsin (Scheld and Cowles 1981). S.
sebiferum can be
> >easily grown by conventional agricultural methods and can
provide woody
> >biomass for direct burning or for conversion into charcoal,
ethanol, or
> >methanol (Scheld and Cowles 1981).
> >
> >Oil from S. sebiferum seeds can potentially be a substitute
for petroleum.
> >Scheld et al. (1980) reports yields of S. sebiferum seeds
ranging from 4,000
> >to 10,000 kg/ha, and estimates that 25 barrels of oil per year
can be
> >produced as a source of energy. In addition to its biomass and
energy value,
> >S. sebiferum has been extensively planted and propagated for
ornamental
> >purposes (Duke 1983).
> >
> >  http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/esadocs/documnts/sapiseb.html
> >
> >25 barrels of oil annually per hectare is pretty impressive
> >Kirk
> >
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RE: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of aspen


Hello Hakan

We've hardly scratched the surface of potential oil crops. Try these:

NewCrop SearchEngine at the Center for New Crops & Plant Products at 
Purdue University -- Search for "oil". Results: "The following pages 
containing 'oil' were found -- hits 1-20 of 200". Results are 
hyperlinked to detailed factsheets.
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/SearchEngine.html

Plants For A Future -- Database Search -- See "Search by Use - Select 
any of the following uses. Or select none and use the plant criteria 
below." Select "Other Use" - oil. Results: "Other Use: Oil (460)". 
Results are hyperlinked to detailed factsheets.
http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/D_search.html

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/dukeindex.html
Handbook of Energy Crops Index

Best

Keith


>I found this very interesting and if anyone knows more data on other
>trees and plants, I like to know. With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
>annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of land.
>
>The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and annual
>oil consumption would need  11,699,000 square km. This is more than
>the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of world), it
>would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its land mass,
>or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
>average can be lowered to the current consumption for California, it
>only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption level, it
>will need 8% of its land mass.
>
>It is an extreme example, but it does send a message about the need
>of efficient energy usage and this includes the recent discussions about
>SUV, corporate greed etc.
>
>Hakan
>
>
>At 07:35 PM 8/10/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >The outer covering of the seeds contains a solid fat known as Chinese
> >vegetable tallow, and the kernels produce a drying oil called stillingia
> >oil. Candles, soap, cloth dressing, and fuel are made from the tallow. The
> >oil is used in machine oils, as a crude lamp oil, in making varnishes and
> >paints (because of its quick-drying properties), and as a substitute for
> >linseed oil. The oil is also reportedly used in Chinese medicine as an
> >emetic or purgative, but overdoses can cause violent sickness and perhaps
> >death (Duke 1983). S. sebiferum may represent an industrial toxic hazard in
> >terms of both pro-inflammatory and tumor-promoting effects (Brooks et al.
> >1987). After the seeds have been processed, the residual cakes are often
> >used as fertilizer/green manure. A black dye can be made by boiling leaves
> >of S. sebiferum in alum water (Duke 1983). Tallow wood is white and
> >close-grained, suitable for carving and for making blocks in Chinese
> >printing. The wood is also used for furniture making and incense.
> >
> >In the early 1900s, the Foreign Plant Introduction Division of the U.S.
> >Department of Agriculture introduced S. sebiferum into Texas and other parts
> >of the Gulf Coast states in order to establish a local soap industry (Scheld
> >and Cowles 1981). In the 1970s and early 1980s, S. sebiferum was regarded as
> >a promising biomass candidate in the Gulf Coast region of the United States
> >because of its ability to resprout, its rapid growth rate, and its drought
> >and salt tolerance (Scheld and Cowles 1981). Field trials demonstrate that
> >it can produce six times as much woody biomass as cottonwoods and aspens
> >(Populus spp.) in Wisconsin (Scheld and Cowles 1981). S. sebiferum can be
> >easily grown by conventional agricultural methods and can provide woody
> >biomass for direct burning or for conversion into charcoal, ethanol, or
> >methanol (Scheld and Cowles 1981).
> >
> >Oil from S. sebiferum seeds can potentially be a substitute for petroleum.
> >Scheld et al. (1980) reports yields of S. sebiferum seeds ranging from 4,000
> >to 10,000 kg/ha, and estimates that 25 barrels of oil per year can be
> >produced as a source of energy. In addition to its biomass and energy value,
> >S. sebiferum has been extensively planted and propagated for ornamental
> >purposes (Duke 1983).
> >
> >  http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/esadocs/documnts/sapiseb.html
> >
> >25 barrels of oil annually per hectare is pretty impressive
> >Kirk


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Re: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of aspen

2002-08-12 Thread Hakan Falk



Todd,

As I said, it was an extreme sample and it was not meant to
be exact. US is at the moment consuming 25% of the annual
world consumption of 29 gigabarrels of crude oil. Vegetable oil will
also work in the areas of home heating and electricity production.

I did not want to do detailed comparison, because then you end
up with endless number crunching to no use. But vegetable oils
energy content is 20-25% less than fossil, which also effects the
numbers and I did not count for that. I think that your calculation
maybe does the same but on the optimistic side, because the ratio
between crude (bio) and distillate is not 1:1 and only concerns
the automotive industry.

Hakan


At 01:55 PM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hakan,
>
>Should one presume that your are referencing total fossil oil
>consumption or only distillate fuel oils?
>
>By last count, the US consumes ~57,000,000,000 gallons of
>distillate fuel oil annually.
>
>At 42 gallons a barrel for sapium sebiferum and 25 barrels per
>hectare (2.47 acres), that's equivalent to 209,509 square miles.
>or a land mass 458 miles x 458 miles.
>
>One very large chunk of real estate, completly discounting other
>distillate and non-distillate fractions.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:39 AM
>Subject: RE: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of
>aspen
>
>
> >
> > I found this very interesting and if anyone knows more data on
>other
> > trees and plants, I like to know. With 25 barrels per hectare,
>the current
> > annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of
>land.
> >
> > The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and
>annual
> > oil consumption would need  11,699,000 square km. This is more
>than
> > the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of
>world), it
> > would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its land
>mass,
> > or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
> > average can be lowered to the current consumption for
>California, it
> > only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption level,
>it
> > will need 8% of its land mass.
> >
> > It is an extreme example, but it does send a message about the
>need
> > of efficient energy usage and this includes the recent
>discussions about
> > SUV, corporate greed etc.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> >
> > At 07:35 PM 8/10/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > >The outer covering of the seeds contains a solid fat known as
>Chinese
> > >vegetable tallow, and the kernels produce a drying oil called
>stillingia
> > >oil. Candles, soap, cloth dressing, and fuel are made from the
>tallow. The
> > >oil is used in machine oils, as a crude lamp oil, in making
>varnishes and
> > >paints (because of its quick-drying properties), and as a
>substitute for
> > >linseed oil. The oil is also reportedly used in Chinese
>medicine as an
> > >emetic or purgative, but overdoses can cause violent sickness
>and perhaps
> > >death (Duke 1983). S. sebiferum may represent an industrial
>toxic hazard in
> > >terms of both pro-inflammatory and tumor-promoting effects
>(Brooks et al.
> > >1987). After the seeds have been processed, the residual cakes
>are often
> > >used as fertilizer/green manure. A black dye can be made by
>boiling leaves
> > >of S. sebiferum in alum water (Duke 1983). Tallow wood is
>white and
> > >close-grained, suitable for carving and for making blocks in
>Chinese
> > >printing. The wood is also used for furniture making and
>incense.
> > >
> > >In the early 1900s, the Foreign Plant Introduction Division of
>the U.S.
> > >Department of Agriculture introduced S. sebiferum into Texas
>and other parts
> > >of the Gulf Coast states in order to establish a local soap
>industry (Scheld
> > >and Cowles 1981). In the 1970s and early 1980s, S. sebiferum
>was regarded as
> > >a promising biomass candidate in the Gulf Coast region of the
>United States
> > >because of its ability to resprout, its rapid growth rate, and
>its drought
> > >and salt tolerance (Scheld and Cowles 1981). Field trials
>demonstrate that
> > >it can produce six times as much woody biomass as cottonwoods
>and aspens
> > >(Populus spp.) in Wisconsin (Scheld and Cowles 1981). S.
>sebiferum can be
> > >easily grown by conventional agricultural methods and can
>provide woody
> > >biomass for direct burning or for conversion into charcoal,
>ethanol, or
> > >methanol (Scheld and Cowles 1981).
> > >
> > >Oil from S. sebiferum seeds can potentially be a substitute
>for petroleum.
> > >Scheld et al. (1980) reports yields of S. sebiferum seeds
>ranging from 4,000
> > >to 10,000 kg/ha, and estimates that 25 barrels of oil per year
>can be
> > >produced as a source of energy. In addition to its biomass and
>energy value,
> > >S. sebiferum has been extensively planted and propagated for
>ornamental
> > >purposes (Duke 1983).
> > >
> > >  http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/esadocs/documnts/sapiseb.html
> > >
> > >25

RE: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

2002-08-12 Thread Ryan Morgan

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This is the ultimate when it comes in a diesel (2006?)  No problem with the
HOSE either!

:)

Ryan

-Original Message-
From: craig reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:16 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

I haven't added anything to this thread, but I'm in the process of
changing the gas-guzzlin' V8 in my Land Rover Defender to the Land Rover
300 Tdi, with a 2nd heated tank for straight vegetable oil. And there
are a few SUV's out there that come stock with diesel engines -
Suburbans with the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel being probably the most
plentiful, but out there but more rare are things like diesel Isuzu
Troopers, diesel International Scouts, etc.

I even ran across a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser for sale the other day -
an '82 FJ60, originally from Canada.

Craig

Kim & Garth Travis wrote:

>
>
> Curtis Sakima wrote:
>
> > Take a HOSE and WASH out the inside  now THERE'S a
> > vehicle I would support!!
> >
> Just be careful of the time of year!  I did it to a van
>
> once that seriously needed it but it took dragging it to a
> heated garage to thaw out the door so they would open.  I was a 1973
> ford E100, short box, with a 300 six in it.  Got great gas mileage,
> hauled anything, [I was a courier] and in the summer it was easy to
> clean.  I would love to be able to buy something like that again.
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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?

Christopher,

I agree with whoever - Steve, I think, that "The Vitalizer" looks like a
scam.

The AutoEngineLube device is something that would be useful, I think. I
had a friend who worked on big diesel trucks, and some of them had no
glow plugs - they started by cranking only. He claimed that when they
tore down one of these engines, there was a lot less wear - which he
assumed was because they were cranked for a long time before being
started - thus assuring oil pressure. Moroso makes something called an
oil accumulator that is similar to the AutoEngineLube device - it stores
a couple of quarts of oil, which it releases in the event of sudden loss
of oil pressure - but you can also open a gate valve on the tank prior
to starting the engine to pre-lube the engine. The fact that the
AutoYaddayadda does this automatically via a solenoid makes it much
easier to use, of course.

Propane injection is to diesel engines as nitrous oxide is to gasoline
engines. It provides power, but with some loss of engine life, depending
on how you use it. It definitely works.

Better, for adding power, I've heard, is water injection or
water-alcohol injection - since they cool the intake charge, they will
lower EGT's (exhaust gas temperatures) and keep the tops of your pistons
from melting with the increased power. Water injection and water-alcohol
injection has been discussed here before, so best to search the archives
before starting a new thread, but a company that sells water injection
kits is here:  http://www.aquamist.co.uk/

Craig

You wrote:

>  I'm interested in any learned opinions on the following items. 
>
> "The Vitalizer" claims to increase fuel efficiency by 5-21% and reduce
>
> pollution by 25-66%
> http://www.help-our-environment.com/
>
> AutoEngineLube kit claims to save wear and tear on the engine by
> pre-lubing bearings even before the engine starts to turn over.
> http://www.autoenginelube.com/
>
> The following three links are all for add-on kits to enable the
> injection of propane (I'm sure methane would work similarly if one had
> a
> supply of it) via the engine air intake; the result is supposed to be
> near-perfect combustion of the diesel fuel with correspondingly better
>
> fuel efficiency, greater power and lower pollution . . .
> http://www.tsperformanceproducts.com/propane.asp
> http://www.usdieselparts.com/bullydog.htm
> http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/home.html

>
> Thanks!
>
> Christopher Witmer
> Tokyo
>

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Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

Keith,

You are so right about the diesel car and truck situation in the US. VW
Tdi's we have, and they are wonderful, and of course pickups and the
landwhale known as the Excursion are available with diesels, but no
smaller SUV's.

And you are also so right about the lousy dinodiesel available here. All
the more reason to go biodiesel, SVO or WVO.

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  >Oh, btw, there's also diesel Nissan Pathfinders.  I
> >came across that while studying Nissan's VIN number
> >meanings.  In the Pathfinder series there is an engine
> >"choice" of "diesel".
> >
> >Curtis
>
> I think most serious 4x4s come with a diesel option. But not in the
> US. The Mercedes G has a great diesel version, at least one, but it
> seems not in the US. All the more serious Japanese 4x4s have diesel
> options. Jeeps come with diesels, in Europe and I think here in Japan
> too, but apparently not in the US. You guys really have to do
> something about your diesel-bashers! Detroit's willing, for a change,
> maybe they could use a little help. And are you really going to wait
> another four years, at least, before you get some decent fuel? Other
> than biodiesel, that is. That US petro-diesel is terrible stuff.
>
> Keith

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Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

>Oh, btw, there's also diesel Nissan Pathfinders.  I
>came across that while studying Nissan's VIN number
>meanings.  In the Pathfinder series there is an engine
>"choice" of "diesel".
>
>Curtis

I think most serious 4x4s come with a diesel option. But not in the 
US. The Mercedes G has a great diesel version, at least one, but it 
seems not in the US. All the more serious Japanese 4x4s have diesel 
options. Jeeps come with diesels, in Europe and I think here in Japan 
too, but apparently not in the US. You guys really have to do 
something about your diesel-bashers! Detroit's willing, for a change, 
maybe they could use a little help. And are you really going to wait 
another four years, at least, before you get some decent fuel? Other 
than biodiesel, that is. That US petro-diesel is terrible stuff.

Keith

>--- craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>but out there but more rare are things like diesel
>Isuzu Troopers, diesel International Scouts, etc.

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Re: [biofuel] Fwd: STI News: This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water

>Fresh water, I assume?
>
>Uh, we sort of need that for other things. We assume it to be a limitless
>and cheap resource. It's not.

Too right. But parts of the Philippines get hit by about 20 typhoons 
a year, with massive dumpings of skywater, so maybe they don't see it 
that way.

Now if people stopped using the most wasteful piece of equipment ever 
devised, the flush toilet, d'you think that would give them enough 
extra water to waste it on mixing with fossil fuels?

Keith

>Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
>Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
>Located in the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada
>1-250-768-3169 Fax: 1-250-768-3118
>Toll-Free (Canada/USA): 1-866-768-3169
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>---
>
>on 8/12/02 5:28 AM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
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Re: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of aspen

2002-08-12 Thread Appal Energy


Hakan,

The category "distillate fuel oil" covers everything from
aviation jet fuel to marine diesel to home heating oil to
"kerosene" and lamp oils to off-road and on-road fuel oil.

So a chunk of land 458 miles squared, as large as it may seem,
does cover a bit of the transportation fuel spectrum.

Mind you as well that there are also methods of upping the energy
content of veg oils, such as methyl- and ethyl-ation, not to
mention hydrogenation.

The question on those latter energy boosters will be "Where does
the process energy come from?"

Convenience dictates fossil fuel. Long term stability and
sustainability dictates renewables.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass of
aspen


>
> Todd,
>
> As I said, it was an extreme sample and it was not meant to
> be exact. US is at the moment consuming 25% of the annual
> world consumption of 29 gigabarrels of crude oil. Vegetable oil
will
> also work in the areas of home heating and electricity
production.
>
> I did not want to do detailed comparison, because then you end
> up with endless number crunching to no use. But vegetable oils
> energy content is 20-25% less than fossil, which also effects
the
> numbers and I did not count for that. I think that your
calculation
> maybe does the same but on the optimistic side, because the
ratio
> between crude (bio) and distillate is not 1:1 and only concerns
> the automotive industry.
>
> Hakan
>
>
> At 01:55 PM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hakan,
> >
> >Should one presume that your are referencing total fossil oil
> >consumption or only distillate fuel oils?
> >
> >By last count, the US consumes ~57,000,000,000 gallons of
> >distillate fuel oil annually.
> >
> >At 42 gallons a barrel for sapium sebiferum and 25 barrels per
> >hectare (2.47 acres), that's equivalent to 209,509 square
miles.
> >or a land mass 458 miles x 458 miles.
> >
> >One very large chunk of real estate, completly discounting
other
> >distillate and non-distillate fractions.
> >
> >Todd Swearingen
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:39 AM
> >Subject: RE: [biofuel] sapium sebiferum - 6 times the biomass
of
> >aspen
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I found this very interesting and if anyone knows more data
on
> >other
> > > trees and plants, I like to know. With 25 barrels per
hectare,
> >the current
> > > annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars
of
> >land.
> > >
> > > The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and
> >annual
> > > oil consumption would need  11,699,000 square km. This is
more
> >than
> > > the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of
> >world), it
> > > would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its
land
> >mass,
> > > or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
> > > average can be lowered to the current consumption for
> >California, it
> > > only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption
level,
> >it
> > > will need 8% of its land mass.
> > >
> > > It is an extreme example, but it does send a message about
the
> >need
> > > of efficient energy usage and this includes the recent
> >discussions about
> > > SUV, corporate greed etc.
> > >
> > > Hakan
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:35 PM 8/10/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >The outer covering of the seeds contains a solid fat known
as
> >Chinese
> > > >vegetable tallow, and the kernels produce a drying oil
called
> >stillingia
> > > >oil. Candles, soap, cloth dressing, and fuel are made from
the
> >tallow. The
> > > >oil is used in machine oils, as a crude lamp oil, in
making
> >varnishes and
> > > >paints (because of its quick-drying properties), and as a
> >substitute for
> > > >linseed oil. The oil is also reportedly used in Chinese
> >medicine as an
> > > >emetic or purgative, but overdoses can cause violent
sickness
> >and perhaps
> > > >death (Duke 1983). S. sebiferum may represent an
industrial
> >toxic hazard in
> > > >terms of both pro-inflammatory and tumor-promoting effects
> >(Brooks et al.
> > > >1987). After the seeds have been processed, the residual
cakes
> >are often
> > > >used as fertilizer/green manure. A black dye can be made
by
> >boiling leaves
> > > >of S. sebiferum in alum water (Duke 1983). Tallow wood is
> >white and
> > > >close-grained, suitable for carving and for making blocks
in
> >Chinese
> > > >printing. The wood is also used for furniture making and
> >incense.
> > > >
> > > >In the early 1900s, the Foreign Plant Introduction
Division of
> >the U.S.
> > > >Department of Agriculture introduced S. sebiferum into
Texas
> >and other parts
> > > >of the Gulf Coast states in order to establish a local
soap
> >industry (Scheld
> > > >and Cowles 1981). In the 1970s and early 1980s, S.
sebiferum
> >was regarded as
> > > >a promising biomass candidate in the Gulf

Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?

GREAT link, Ken! Thanks very much. Here's another link I found that may 
be helpful in extending battery life:

Lead Acid Battery Desulfation Pulse Generator
http://www.shaka.com/~kalepa/desulf.htm

Christopher Witmer
Tokyo

Ken wrote:

> Here is some great material written from RV experience about making
> batteries last and last:
> 
> http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html

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Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

2002-08-12 Thread Neil and Adele Craven



I think most serious 4x4s come with a diesel option. But not in the 
US. The Mercedes G has a great diesel version, at least one, but it 
seems not in the US. All the more serious Japanese 4x4s have diesel 
options. Jeeps come with diesels, in Europe and I think here in Japan 
too, but apparently not in the US. You guys really have to do 
something about your diesel-bashers! Detroit's willing, for a change, 
maybe they could use a little help. And are you really going to wait 
another four years, at least, before you get some decent fuel? Other 
than biodiesel, that is. That US petro-diesel is terrible stuff.

Keith

Not just the US petro diesel Keith, in Aus we have terrible fuel which stops 
the 
high tech european and japanese diesels coming in.  Toyota has a very nice 4.2 
intercooled
turbo diesel with electronic control of the pump and all the nice stuff like 4 
valves per cyl.
The fuel is not really good enough for the motor though.  Apparantly by 2005 a 
new standard for minimum grade
diesel will be introduced in Aus enabling the gates to open for a wider diesel 
passenger car choice.  (hopefully)

Neil


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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

2002-08-12 Thread Neil and Adele Craven


anyone else get a DNS error for this page?

Neil
  http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html

  Ken



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Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

2002-08-12 Thread Neil and Adele Craven


If it was an FJ then it was originally a 4.0ltr 6cyl petrol engine.  Using the 
2f motor, very reliable but not economical by any means.  If it was an original 
diesel fitment it should be a HJ60 which used the venerable 2H diesel, (ah 
memories) 3.9 ltr took quite well to mild turbo charging and couldnt kill it 
with a stick.  (mine had 350k klms on it when I sold it)  Therefore a brief 
recap.  Landcruisers have an F in their model # for Petrol (Gas) and an H for 
diesel.

Neil
  

  I even ran across a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser for sale the other day -
  an '82 FJ60, originally from Canada.

  Craig




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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?

Craig,

Thanks for the input. Aquamist products seem to be geared toward 
gasoline engines, which is understandable, although they do have some 
references to diesel at their website. Fairly pricey stuff, I think.

Something a little large for me but closer to home is:
http://www.duramax.bizhosting.com/My_Truck/water_injection.htm

The above site says they have kits for other applications so they might 
be able to provide something appropriate for my needs.

I also note that at least one mfr. of large marine diesel engines has 
water injection to improve performance, but not a whole lot in the way 
of add-on kits for the little guy.

I guess this is still a relatively less developed area of diesel engine 
technology.

Christopher Witmer
Tokyo

craig reece wrote:

> "The Vitalizer" looks like a scam.
> 
> The AutoEngineLube device is something that would be useful, I think.
> 
> Propane injection provides power, but with some loss of engine life, 
> depending on how you use it. It definitely works.
> 
> Better, for adding power, I've heard, is water injection or
> water-alcohol injection - since they cool the intake charge, they will
> lower EGT's (exhaust gas temperatures) and keep the tops of your pistons
> from melting with the increased power. Water injection and water-alcohol
> injection has been discussed here before, so best to search the archives
> before starting a new thread, but a company that sells water injection
> kits is here:  http://www.aquamist.co.uk/

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[biofuel] Injector pump help.

2002-08-12 Thread A Wilkins


Hello,

I have recently had to change the injection pump in my 90 Jetta 1.6L non 
turbo (non biofuel related). I developed an air leak in the pump which allowed 
the fuel to back draw into the tank.  This made starting the vehicle very 
difficult.  I did the work myself and have timed it to perfection (expensive 
tools).  I installed an 85 injector pump from a 1.6L non turbo.  The one 
question that I do have is regarding the adjustment of the screws on the 
injection pump.  Here is a link to a picture and explanation:   
www.rufuslakeoutfitters.com/Aidan/pump.htm

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I would like to get the car running 
well so that I can continue with the WVO conversion.


Thank you,

Aidan


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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

Yes - I even did a search for "phrannie, batteries" on Google, got a
bucha hits, all to other phrannie pages, and all were dead links.

Craig

Neil and Adele Craven wrote:

>  anyone else get a DNS error for this page?
>
> Neil
>   http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html
>
>   Ken
>
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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

Something must have just happened, since I could access with no trouble. 
Try the link again later, or fish it out of Google's cache.

Christopher Witmer
Tokyo

craig reece wrote:

> Yes - I even did a search for "phrannie, batteries" on Google, got a
> bucha hits, all to other phrannie pages, and all were dead links.
> 
> Craig
> 
> Neil and Adele Craven wrote:
> 
> 
>> anyone else get a DNS error for this page?
>>
>>Neil
>>  http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html
>>
>>  Ken

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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

2002-08-12 Thread Curtis Sakima


Feedback:  Mine works ok.   08/12/02 10:30PM CST
--- Christopher Witmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Something must have just happened, since I could
access with no trouble. 


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RE: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

2002-08-12 Thread kirk

Earlier. Works now.
Kirk

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From: Neil and Adele Craven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

anyone else get a DNS error for this page?

Neil
  http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html

  Ken

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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

2002-08-12 Thread Ken


phreds site is definitely not dead, something must be wrong, I went there
today myself, maybe we overloaded the poor guy...
Ken

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> Yes - I even did a search for "phrannie, batteries" on Google, got a
> bucha hits, all to other phrannie pages, and all were dead links.
>
> Craig
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> Neil and Adele Craven wrote:
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> > Neil
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> >   Ken
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[biofuel] FW: (Livable Communities) The best article on climate change

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Subject: (Livable Communities) The best article on climate change

This is worth reading and forwarding to other lists you are on.

The sky IS falling.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0231/romoth.php

Patrick M. Condon
UBC James Taylor Chair in Landscape and Liveable Environments
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Re: [biofuel] Fwd: STI News: This mechanic has created fuel that's 50% water


Could be. Eliminate that device (the WC) and the veg oil dumped into drains,
and learn to use the  peeanpoop - voila, no need for sewers, mere devices
for polluting more fresh water already in the river


:-)


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on 8/12/02 1:44 PM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Fresh water, I assume?
>> 
>> Uh, we sort of need that for other things. We assume it to be a limitless
>> and cheap resource. It's not.
> 
> Too right. But parts of the Philippines get hit by about 20 typhoons
> a year, with massive dumpings of skywater, so maybe they don't see it
> that way.
> 
> Now if people stopped using the most wasteful piece of equipment ever
> devised, the flush toilet, d'you think that would give them enough
> extra water to waste it on mixing with fossil fuels?
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
>> Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
>> Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
>> Located in the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada
>> 1-250-768-3169 Fax: 1-250-768-3118
>> Toll-Free (Canada/USA): 1-866-768-3169
>> http://www.biofuels.ca
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>> on 8/12/02 5:28 AM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[biofuel] Fwd: Biodiesel uses - Stock feed !!!!