[biofuel] MB-100
I bought a used Mercedes MB-100 van with a 2.9 liter 5-cylinder Diesel engine a few months ago, with the idea of eventually running it on BD or blend, but I'm having trouble getting to first base with this machine. I can't find a service manual for this rig for love or money; the nearest "local" dealership (200 nm away in Cebu) refuses to sell me one, and none of the third-party manual-mongers (Haynes, Chilton...) seems to cover it. The actual constructor, Ssangyong Motors in Korea, won't answer their email. Right now I'm shaky doing routine maintenance, much less modifying and instrumenting it for an experimental fuel. HELP! Wonderful to drive, though, and it gets VIP treatment from the cops who assume I must be somebody important. Ha! Marc de Piolenc Philippines P.S. Somebody mentioned a Mercedes diesel mailing list. How do I get on? Does it include diesel vans, or just sedans? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
FW: [biofuel] MB-100
Marc Although I'm not familiar with the MB-100 I would suspect that your van uses the same engine as the Benz cars and vans produced in the 1970's & 80's If this is the case the engine number should start (OM) 617. or (OM) 602. OM is the Benz classification for a diesel motor (oil motor) the 602 engines were later, having an alloy heads, they more refined but more likely seriously damaged by overheating. If the van has a 617 engine Haynes do a workshop manual for 200D,240D and 300D that covers these engines http://lists.mbz.org/diesel/ Is the mailing list you are looking for I think it's Rusty http://www.buymbparts.com/ from that list who sells official Mercedes Workshop Manuals on CD ROM. I think there is a fair chance that this might cover your van. You would definitely get one for the engine. Mickey from the mail list also has a server holding all types of useful MB docs ftp://mickey1.dns2go.com you may well have to contact him to gain access... Hope that helps Darren Hill Landrover Series III 109 Mercedes OM617.912 engine. > -Original Message- > From: Marc de Piolenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 August 2002 05:22 > To: Biofuel List; biofuels-biz > Subject: [biofuel] MB-100 > > > I bought a used Mercedes MB-100 van with a 2.9 liter 5-cylinder Diesel > engine a few months ago, with the idea of eventually running it on BD or > blend, but I'm having trouble getting to first base with this machine. > > I can't find a service manual for this rig for love or money; the > nearest "local" dealership (200 nm away in Cebu) refuses to sell me one, > and none of the third-party manual-mongers (Haynes, Chilton...) seems to > cover it. The actual constructor, Ssangyong Motors in Korea, won't > answer their email. > > Right now I'm shaky doing routine maintenance, much less modifying and > instrumenting it for an experimental fuel. > > HELP! > > Wonderful to drive, though, and it gets VIP treatment from the cops who > assume I must be somebody important. Ha! > > Marc de Piolenc > Philippines > P.S. Somebody mentioned a Mercedes diesel mailing list. How do I get on? > Does it include diesel vans, or just sedans? > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] MB-100
http://www.mbz.org on 8/23/02 9:22 PM, Marc de Piolenc at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I bought a used Mercedes MB-100 van with a 2.9 liter 5-cylinder Diesel > engine a few months ago, with the idea of eventually running it on BD or > blend, but I'm having trouble getting to first base with this machine. > > I can't find a service manual for this rig for love or money; the > nearest "local" dealership (200 nm away in Cebu) refuses to sell me one, > and none of the third-party manual-mongers (Haynes, Chilton...) seems to > cover it. The actual constructor, Ssangyong Motors in Korea, won't > answer their email. > > Right now I'm shaky doing routine maintenance, much less modifying and > instrumenting it for an experimental fuel. > > HELP! > > Wonderful to drive, though, and it gets VIP treatment from the cops who > assume I must be somebody important. Ha! > > Marc de Piolenc > Philippines > P.S. Somebody mentioned a Mercedes diesel mailing list. How do I get on? > Does it include diesel vans, or just sedans? > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] More Drought News
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[biofuel] Re: process questions
Dear Peter, I am planning to do a batch with ethanol. Could you help me with it? I am not sure about the process. tks in advance, Marco --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Peter > > >I have some questions regarding a 30 gallon batch I just made and > >would really appreciate some help. > >I have been using the 2 stage method this summer with success. I use > >6.25 grams of lye/litre of wvo with 25% of the volume of the wvo > >being methanol. 3/4 of that was added to the wvo and produced syrupy > >dark brown glycerine (like last time I made it). The next day I added > >the last 1/4 of the methoxide but did not get the gelatinous > >glycerine like I did last time, but got the dark liquidy syrup again. > >I am wondering why. Also, the final product is cloudy which might > >mean water in it. I have heated the final product to about 135-140 > >for a half hour but it did not seem to permanently get rid of the > >cloudiness. I do not wish to do the wash at the end-I've been having > >success running unwashed, clear fuel. > > Are you sure? Have you done a respectable mileage and had the motor > examined? Washing makes the difference between having corrosive > contaminants in your fuel or not having them, no matter how nice it > might look. > > >So, knowing that I should heat > >the wvo hotter and longer before the process > > What do you do with it before processing it? > > >here are my questions: > > > >1) Why did I not get gelationous glycerine in the second stage? > > Only a couple of possibilities - either you didn't do the process in > the same way, or the oil was that much different. > > >2 )Is the cloudiness water even though my reliable source of wvo does > >not let water get into his oil? > > How does he manage that? So you don't dewater the oil first? I don't > have too much faith in the idea of a reliable source. Not at all that > he's not a reliable man, but only an industry with a fully controlled > and standardized process will always produce just the same kind of > oil. Is he an industry? If he's a food outlet, does he produce the > same amounts and types of food every day, always prepared in the same > way? > > Anyway, to make sure that it is more or less regular, it might be an > idea to titrate a few batches so at least you know what you're > working with. > > Take a little of the cloudy biodiesel and put it in a blender with > about the same amount of water (same temperature as the biod), switch > on and see what happens. After a minute or two, switch off, and see > how long it takes to separate. > > >3) What temp and how long do you need to heat the final product to > >evap the water-without evaporating the methanol (which boils off at > >140 degrees, I assume). > > The excess methanol will certainly evaporate before the water. > > >4) Is the methanol that has successfully mixed with the oil in danger > >of boiling off above 140 degrees or will only the excess methanol > >boil off. > > Two fates of methanol - the stoichiometric quantity (depends on the > oil, say 12% v/v oil) becomes part of the methyl ester compound and > can't be evaporated short of evaporating the biodiesel itself, at a > much higher temp (it's a compound, not just a mixture). The excess > methanol, which functions to push the process towards completion, is > mostly left in the glycerine layer, with some still in the biodiesel. > You don't want it in your biodiesel, it's rather corrosive, one of > several good reasons to wash the fuel. This excess methanol will > evaporate on heating above 149F. > > >5) If the cloudiness is water, why doesn't the water settle to the > >bottom the way it would after a wash? Why does it stay suspended? > >Does it eventually settle out to the bottom leaving clear bio-d on > >top? > > It might settle given time, but it's probably not water, it'll be > soaps or unconverted glycerides (process didn't go far enough) or > both. Either way, whether it settles or not, there'll still be traces > left in your fuel, and you should wash it. > > If you got lots of frothing with the sample in the blender, let it > settle for a week or two then give it a thorough bubble wash, then > let it settle again. > > Maintaining the temperature during the process is important. Mixing > times are averages - it depends on how big a batch you're doing, the > shape of your processor, speed of mixer, shape of the mixing blade. > If you're not getting near enough completion you could extend the > mixing time or increase the agitation. More likely it's other factors > at work, since your previous batch behaved differently and your > technique would have been the same or similar. > > Hope this helps. Please let us know how you fare. > > Best > > Keith > > > >My batch before this one came out crystal clear and the car purrs > >with it. I don't want to run a cloudy mix in the car, should I wait > >to see if
[biofuel] Inventing around the Biox process
The Biox process has some particular advantages that to a large extent simplify rather than complicate the process. This is described in their recent press reports. of which the following is one example: "This process utilizes a co-solvent; base catalyzed one phase process. The advantages presented were those of a continuous process with significant reduction in process time and the success achieved when using feedstocks of high free fatty acid content. The goal of the biox process is to produce biodiesel from any feedstock at a cost of 15-20 cents/litre (CND)." Porcine lipase as a catalyst is readily available and the co-solvent itself is not unique. The process, nevertheless, appears unique enough to merit claims that the USPTO recognizes as patentable. How difficult would it be to invent around this process and/or to improve upon it? And, if this is not possible, since the process offers unique advantages, what would a homebrew process look like using some of the essential Biox process details? The US Patent Office encourages the development of new technology, for which reason they require patent details to be clearly presented; this will enable others to see whether the technology can be improved. The technique of "inventing around the patent" to obtain its competitive advantages is the first thing a megabusiness often considers, before consideing whether or not to buy out the competitive patent rights of another patent holder. Alternatively, there have been instances of a company just usiing the technology of a patent for their commercial purposes, and say "sue me." There appear therefore to be two reasons for looking at thie Biox patented technology, first to see if you can invent around the Biox process, and second to see if the Biox technology can simplify the homebrew process, without, however, using the technology for commercial purposes. Note that a patent does not prevent use of the technology exceot for commercial benefit. For the technology to develop into regional-sized businesses rather than into a mega business, this goal would seem to require, or at least to be expedited, by developing a patentable positoin and then putting those proprietary rights into the public domain. Alternatively, a new business could be formed, using the technology on a proprietary basis, but with the deliberate intent of developing the technology on a regional basis. Otherwise, the Biox process, being based upon its own propietary, patentable position, appears destined, or at least as is their intent, to become a megabusiness and take over the commercial market, much as Edward Beggs described in his 8/17 message. . Glenn Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: process questions
>Dear Peter, > >I am planning to do a batch with ethanol. Could you help me with it? > >I am not sure about the process. > >tks in advance, > >Marco Hello Marco The person on the Biofuel list who's done the most work with ethanol is Ken Provost. I suggest you do an archive search for "Provost" and read everything he has to say about it. You should find all you need there. http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel You know about this? Optimization of a Batch Type Ethyl Ester Process http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethyl_esters.html Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] "Poisoned and Silenced" - palm oil plantations
Poisoned and Silenced: A Study of Pesticide Poisoning in the Plantations, 2002* Tenaganita and Pesticide Action Network Asia and the Pacific. Examines working conditions on palm oil plantations in Malaysia, focusing on the effects of pesticides on workers (predominantly women). Reports a lack of safe equipment, protective clothing, availability of safety and rights information and education, appropriate medical care, and supportive local legislation. 67 pages. US$10.00, plus postage: $1.50 within Asia/Pacific, $2.50 elsewhere. Contact Pesticide Action Network Asia and the Pacific; P.O. Box 1170, 10850 Penang, Malaysia; phone (604) 657 0271; fax (604) 657 7445; email [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Web site http://www.panap.net Full report in pdf format online: http://www.panap.net/highlights1.cfm?id=16&hiliteid=HILITE04 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Inventing around the Biox process
Have we not considered that the biox process may be just a load of bullshit? There seem to be a few things that don't add up - eg high cetane values, the use of porcine lipase God knows what else? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Inventing around the Biox process
Think about it. High cetane values...co-solvent...no washing... All this adds up to a reasonable surety that not 100% of the co-solvent and alcohol is removed from the biodiesel. And as a co-solvent, could it even be washed out? Then one must ask what the emissions are of such a finished blend. They certainly would not be the same as B-100. Maybe better. Maybe worse. One might hazard to guess that there are some pretty nasty co-solvents out there with respect to products of combustion. All indicators are that the finished product is a blend of biodiesel, methanol and the cosolvent, as it's virtually impossible to distill all the methanol and colsolvent out. This would be a completely new fuel, one that would be forced to undergo tier health effects studies independently of alkyl esters. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: goat industries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: [biofuel] Inventing around the Biox process > Have we not considered that the biox process may be just a load of bullshit? > There seem to be a few things that don't add up - eg high cetane values, the > use of porcine lipase God knows what else? > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] process questions
Dear Peter, I keep waiting for someone with more experience to bring this up: You said you waited overnight to add the last 1/4 of the methoxide. I quote from _From the Fryer..._: "The biodiesel reaction is time-sensitive. You must mix the sodium methoxide with the vegetable oil immediately after the sodium methoxide is created." The answer to why you didn't get gelatinous glycerine in the second stage and your final product is cloudy seems obvious to me - or am I misunderstanding something? - Gray >I have some questions regarding a 30 gallon batch I just made and >would really appreciate some help. >I have been using the 2 stage method this summer with success. I use >6.25 grams of lye/litre of wvo with 25% of the volume of the wvo >being methanol. 3/4 of that was added to the wvo and produced syrupy >dark brown glycerine (like last time I made it). The next day I added >the last 1/4 of the methoxide but did not get the gelatinous >glycerine like I did last time, but got the dark liquidy syrup again. >I am wondering why. Also, the final product is cloudy which might >mean water in it. I have heated the final product to about 135-140 >for a half hour but it did not seem to permanently get rid of the >cloudiness. I do not wish to do the wash at the end-I've been having >success running unwashed, clear fuel. So, knowing that I should heat >the wvo hotter and longer before the process here are my questions: > >1) Why did I not get gelationous glycerine in the second stage? > >2 )Is the cloudiness water even though my reliable source of wvo does >not let water get into his oil? > >3) What temp and how long do you need to heat the final product to >evap the water-without evaporating the methanol (which boils off at >140 degrees, I assume). > >4) Is the methanol that has successfully mixed with the oil in danger >of boiling off above 140 degrees or will only the excess methanol >boil off. > >5) If the cloudiness is water, why doesn't the water settle to the >bottom the way it would after a wash? Why does it stay suspended? >Does it eventually settle out to the bottom leaving clear bio-d on >top? > >My batch before this one came out crystal clear and the car purrs >with it. I don't want to run a cloudy mix in the car, should I wait >to see if it settles-or heat it up again? Again how hot, how long > >Thanks in advance, > >Peter > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] process questions
>Dear Peter, > >I keep waiting for someone with more experience to bring this up: You said >you waited overnight to add the last 1/4 of the methoxide. I quote from >_From the Fryer..._: "The biodiesel reaction is time-sensitive. You must >mix the sodium methoxide with the vegetable oil immediately after the >sodium methoxide is created." The answer to why you didn't get gelatinous >glycerine in the second stage and your final product is cloudy seems >obvious to me - or am I misunderstanding something? > >- Gray Hello Gray Peter's using the base-base two-stage process, not to be found in _From the Fryer..._ See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleks.html Two-stage biodiesel process: Journey to Forever The first stage settles for 12 hours, the glycerine layer is removed, then the second stage continues with the rest of the methoxide. The first-stage glycerine is thin, second-stage glycerine gels. That happened the previous time he did it, but not this time. Best wishes Keith > > >I have some questions regarding a 30 gallon batch I just made and > >would really appreciate some help. > >I have been using the 2 stage method this summer with success. I use > >6.25 grams of lye/litre of wvo with 25% of the volume of the wvo > >being methanol. 3/4 of that was added to the wvo and produced syrupy > >dark brown glycerine (like last time I made it). The next day I added > >the last 1/4 of the methoxide but did not get the gelatinous > >glycerine like I did last time, but got the dark liquidy syrup again. > >I am wondering why. Also, the final product is cloudy which might > >mean water in it. I have heated the final product to about 135-140 > >for a half hour but it did not seem to permanently get rid of the > >cloudiness. I do not wish to do the wash at the end-I've been having > >success running unwashed, clear fuel. So, knowing that I should heat > >the wvo hotter and longer before the process here are my questions: > > > >1) Why did I not get gelationous glycerine in the second stage? > > > >2 )Is the cloudiness water even though my reliable source of wvo does > >not let water get into his oil? > > > >3) What temp and how long do you need to heat the final product to > >evap the water-without evaporating the methanol (which boils off at > >140 degrees, I assume). > > > >4) Is the methanol that has successfully mixed with the oil in danger > >of boiling off above 140 degrees or will only the excess methanol > >boil off. > > > >5) If the cloudiness is water, why doesn't the water settle to the > >bottom the way it would after a wash? Why does it stay suspended? > >Does it eventually settle out to the bottom leaving clear bio-d on > >top? > > > >My batch before this one came out crystal clear and the car purrs > >with it. I don't want to run a cloudy mix in the car, should I wait > >to see if it settles-or heat it up again? Again how hot, how long > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] MN USA Fuel$
Passed through the State of Minnesota while noticing regional fuel prices -- $1.309 E-85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline - summer blend) 96 to 110 octane $1.329 Soy Diesel $1.329 Diesel $1.369 Premium Diesel $1.399 Low sulfur (Blue Planet) gasoline, 87 octane $1.399 Gasoline, 87 octane $1.419 Gasoline, 90 octane $1.419 Gasoline, 90 octane with 10% ethanol $1.479 Gasoline, 92 octane `` Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] MB-100
I bought a used Mercedes MB-100 van with a 2.9 liter 5-cylinder Diesel engine a few months ago, with the idea of eventually running it on BD or blend, but I'm having trouble getting to first base with this machine. I can't find a service manual for this rig for love or money; the nearest "local" dealership (200 nm away in Cebu) refuses to sell me one, and none of the third-party manual-mongers (Haynes, Chilton...) seems to cover it. The actual constructor, Ssangyong Motors in Korea, won't answer their email. Right now I'm shaky doing routine maintenance, much less modifying and instrumenting it for an experimental fuel. HELP! Wonderful to drive, though, and it gets VIP treatment from the cops who assume I must be somebody important. Ha! Marc de Piolenc Philippines P.S. Somebody mentioned a Mercedes diesel mailing list. How do I get on? Does it include diesel vans, or just sedans? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Plant Information
I have being reading many fantastic histories and sugestions here. This, make me bring this question here and I hope anyone can help me. I am looking for a basic plant to make around 10.000 liters month of BD. I intend to use sunflower oil, soybean oil and other vegetable oil together with used vegetable oil from the food market. Is there any company that offer a basic plant to process it? I would like to use Ethanol instead of Methanol. In the same time, is there any consultant or organization who provide information to help us to build this plant? tks, Marco Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] "Poisoned and Silenced" - palm oil plantations
Poisoned and Silenced: A Study of Pesticide Poisoning in the Plantations, 2002* Tenaganita and Pesticide Action Network Asia and the Pacific. Examines working conditions on palm oil plantations in Malaysia, focusing on the effects of pesticides on workers (predominantly women). Reports a lack of safe equipment, protective clothing, availability of safety and rights information and education, appropriate medical care, and supportive local legislation. 67 pages. US$10.00, plus postage: $1.50 within Asia/Pacific, $2.50 elsewhere. Contact Pesticide Action Network Asia and the Pacific; P.O. Box 1170, 10850 Penang, Malaysia; phone (604) 657 0271; fax (604) 657 7445; email [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Web site http://www.panap.net Full report in pdf format online: http://www.panap.net/highlights1.cfm?id=16&hiliteid=HILITE04 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Plant Information
>I have being reading many fantastic histories and sugestions here. >This, make me bring this question here and I hope anyone can help me. > >I am looking for a basic plant to make around 10.000 liters month of >BD. >I intend to use sunflower oil, soybean oil and other vegetable oil >together with used vegetable oil from the food market. >Is there any company that offer a basic plant to process it? >I would like to use Ethanol instead of Methanol. >In the same time, is there any consultant or organization who provide >information to help us to build this plant? > >tks, Marco That's only 88 gallons a day. If you go the route you're suggesting you're going to pay megabucks for a setup you can easily build yourself for a few thousand dollars or less, without the need for any consultant or organization other than the informal biofuels network you already belong to. You can easily do this with a batch processor, or two running in parallel. Just add extra units for washing, settling, etc. There are several good possibilities described here, working models that are in production: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors Keep going - there are five pages of it. Try not to burden your operation with unnecessary costs at the outset. If you need help, anyone with a bit of engineering or plumbing experience can help you with this, maybe for nothing if it's a friend. Figure out your process first with small test batches, become completely familiar with it, apply it to the various feedstocks you'll be using so you know just what's involved. Then you can build your processors, find a couple of good staff if you need them, train them well and be nice to them. Source your raw materials, find out about local regulations and requirements, including safety. Pay attention to the by-products, separation, treatment, markets. You should find everything you need at Journey to Forever, and in the archives of our two mailing lists. Build a small greywater system to take care of the waste water - it's milder than what comes out of most people's dishwashers and washing machines (especially if they have babies, with diapers). You could even grow some good organic food at the end of the greywater system, perhaps as a community project. Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] do you want to publish?
Hello fellow biodiesel heads, I am publishing a book on biodiesel called "A Biodiesel Handbook" and I really want to have a chapter dedicated to peoples stories with biodiesel. I am looking for submissions under... A good biodiesel road trip story Pictures of biodiesel Processors, cars, with people or without. Troubleshooting If you want to get your story or pictures of you and your processors published please reply to this email or call me at 360-647-3434 thank you Orion Care2 make the world greener! Your Actions Can Help! Support Strong Environmental Protections http://www.care2.com/go/z/2532 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
