Re: [biofuel] home heating

[Lisa]

>>>
Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:21:48 -
   From: "dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: home heating

to the person who wants to burn biod. or WVO, check out OMNI by Econo
Heal Inc.  they have a commercial grade boiler to burn SAE 10 -90
with no modifications and no external air compressor.  they lower
viscosity with pre heating.

www.econoheat.com
>>>

Cool... it's nice to know that somebody is trying to serve that
market... BUT I find it a bit fishy that they don't post prices.  If
ya have to ask, ya can't afford it?

BTW, the current unit *is* a boiler, which may or may not be
interchangeable with "furnace", which is what I mistakenly (always!)
called the darn thing.  I don't know if that makes a difference in the
possibility of using WVO.


>>>
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], studio53 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can't "set" a home heating oil furnace to burn more oil. You
could change the nozzle size,i.e., a .8 to a 1.5, which means instead
of
burning 8/10th of a gallon, it burns 1.5 gallons, but nozzle sizes are
set
by the manufacturer of the furnace based on the size of the chamber.
It is
very unlikely a maintenance technician would alter this because it
would
be a liability.
>>>

Hmmm, I'll have to check on that... I believe one of the things they
claim to do (and charge us for!) is "calibration" or something to that
effect.  Is it possible that they mean something else with that term?


>>>
Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:55:21 +0900
   From: EREN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (by way of Keith Addison)
Subject: EREN Network News -- 10/9/02



EIA Expects Heating Bills to Increase Up to $300 This Winter


The Northeast will be hit the hardest, as
those using heating oil are forecast to face a 45 percent increase
in heating bills.

>>>

now you know why I ask about vegoil in the boiler... the last time
fuel oil costs spiked (3 yrs ago?), the oil bills a couple of months
topped *$500*!  (and that was with the thermostat set below 60F!)



>>>
Message: 18
   Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:01:29 -0500
   From: rgord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: home heating

BigK fuels in Toronto says with BD no mods are req'd. Check out their
site -
I e-mailed them and got prompt response, good faq on site as
well -I'll have
to check current prices it was at $0.45/litre
http://www.bigkfuels.com/
>>>

Darn too bad I'm not close enough to do business with them!

I found it interesting that they will provide a tank.  I never
considered the notion of the tank belonging to somebody else... could
an oil co. confiscate your tank if you took your business elsewhere?!



>>>
Message: 21
   Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:08:39 -0700 (PDT)
   From: mother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re: home heating

since posting this question, i've gotten some more
feedback (from a very reputable source) i'll share..
question posed was if buring biodiesel in standard oil
furnace, if there were any modifications the needed to
be made to furnace:

"...the furnace should do fine.  if burning 100%
biodiesel shaft seals on furnace pump may need
attention after a while..."

this, because BD is more lika solvent, so little
rubber washers'll eventually get eaten through ...
but, as far as the furnace itself, oil you buy from
the "heating company" is called "#2 heating oil",
which is just diesel feul with a different name (and
different taxes... which is why you never *see* a
farmer syphon heating oil outta his furnance into his
tractor, but you know he does!)... so if you hava
source of good BD (no hushpuppy chips) and are willing
to keep an eye on rubber parts on your furnace pump
for corrosion, you should be good - i'm gonna
giveitatry this year, will report back

rj

>>>

Sounds just like the rubber seal problems in engines... good to hear
that they don't anticipate any exotic problems from furnaces/boilers.
Wonder how much of a hassle it would be to do a pre-emptive
replacement of the endangered rubber parts?



Well, most of the info so far seems to point to BD only unless you
have a unit specially designed to handle vegoil. :^(   My first batch
of BD has to be 250 gallons?!  EEK!
(kidding... I'm not THAT crazy!)





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Re: [biofuels-biz] "Foolproof" method vs Canakci/Van Gerpen (high FFA)

[Michael Allen]

I endorse our thanks to Paddy for that paper!

Our successful esterification of palm oil containing 9
to 13% FFA requires 4ccs of conc. sulphuric acid per
litre not 2 as Aleks suggested. We also react them
together at 65C (under reflux) not 35C and allow the
mix to cool to 35C quite slowly over 8 hours. Thus
total reaction time is well in excess of two hours.
But then it probably was for Aleks too.

There is some evidence that sulphuric acid reacts with
the carotene and other pigments in crude-palm oil
because it changes colour. There may be other
reactions that take the sulphuric acid out of
circulation.

During our experimental work, I had the distinct
impression that the goalposts were being moved while
the reaction took place!

Certainly some experimentation with Alek's basic
method is worthwhile.

But hey! Aleks . . . . . wherever you are and if you
are reading this, a great place to start with
esterification-transesterification reactions ! 

A BIG thank-you!

Regards

Michael Allen
Thailand

--- movember <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks to Paddy for forwarding me the Canakci/Van
> Gerpen 
> study "Biodiesel production from Oils and Fats with
> High Free Fatty 
> Acids".
> 
> This paper should be of great assistance.
> 
> It is worth mentioning here that the pretreatment of
> the FFA's 
> (esterification with methanol, utilising sulphuric
> acid as catalyst) 
> uses a slightly different method than Aleks's
> "foolproof method":
> 
> 1. The reaction temperature is 60 degrees C, rather
> than Aleks' 35 
> degrees C.
> 
> 2. Catalyst (H2SO4) concentration was much higher
> (5% to 25 % by oil 
> volume, compared to Aleks' 0.1% by volume.
> 
> Could anyone shed some light on the above?
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
> 


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[biofuel] energy conversion data research

[murdoch]

I found a particularly interesting page in the course of attempting to
follow up on my earlier posts on the issue of energy densities per
unit volume and mass and biodiesel and #2 diesel.

http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/energy_conv.html

Some excerpts:

Note that the energy content (heating value) of petroleum products per
unit mass is fairly constant, but their density differs significantly
ö hence the energy content of a liter, gallon, etc. varies between
gasoline, diesel, kerosene. 

and also here:

Energy contents are expressed here as Lower Heating Value (LHV) unless
otherwise stated (this is closest to the actual energy yield in most
cases). Higher Heating Value (HHV, including condensation of
combustion products) is greater by between 5% (in the case of coal)
and 10% (for natural gas), depending mainly on the hydrogen content of
the fuel. For most biomass feedstocks this difference appears to be
6-7%. The appropriateness of using LHV or HHV when comparing fuels,
calculating thermal efficiencies, etc. really depends upon the
application. For stationary combustion where exhaust gases are cooled
before discharging (e.g. power stations), HHV is more appropriate.
Where no attempt is made to extract useful work from hot exhaust gases
(e.g. motor vehicles), the LHV is more suitable. In practice, many
European publications report LHV, whereas North American publications
use HHV. 


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[biofuels-biz] "Foolproof" method vs Canakci/Van Gerpen (high FFA)

[movember]

Thanks to Paddy for forwarding me the Canakci/Van Gerpen 
study "Biodiesel production from Oils and Fats with High Free Fatty 
Acids".

This paper should be of great assistance.

It is worth mentioning here that the pretreatment of the FFA's 
(esterification with methanol, utilising sulphuric acid as catalyst) 
uses a slightly different method than Aleks's "foolproof method":

1. The reaction temperature is 60 degrees C, rather than Aleks' 35 
degrees C.

2. Catalyst (H2SO4) concentration was much higher (5% to 25 % by oil 
volume, compared to Aleks' 0.1% by volume.

Could anyone shed some light on the above?

Cheers,
Mike


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Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[Keith Addison]

Hi Brian

>Thank you Keith for your very thorough response.

You're welcome - gleanings, from afar.

>In
>my experience, the government has been quite helpful
>in assisting startups.
>
>So in summary, if we decide to produce biodiesel and
>sell it for on-road use, we would need to:
>
>1) Ensure that our fuel meets ASTM D-6751, presumably
>by having samples tested at a lab.
>
>2) Track gallons sold and remit the appropriate state
>and federal taxes.
>
>If this is the case, I find it quite reasonable.

If that's the case. I think the place to start is with the EPA 
registration, so you can nail down the requirements for access to the 
Health Effects Data, that's what will make it or break it. Craig Pech 
just posted Joe Sopata's contact to the Biofuel list - Sopata is the 
one who's been dealing with this:

>For those of you in the US that are interested in contacting the EPA - Joe
>Sopata:
>
>202-564-9034
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Does anyone have a source for a lab that can certify ASTM standards - other
>than NBB?
>
>Craig


>It
>would be better if the taxes were reduced or
>eliminated of course.  Count our organization in if
>any serious lobby is formed for this purpose.

Anybody game?

>However, I can hardly fault the government seeking
>road taxes.

I would fault them. Hakan just posted this to the Biofuel list, 
pointing out that it's not a "road tax", it's a "sales tax", an 
important distinction I think.

>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:30:14 +0200
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] presentation tomorrow
>
>I like to point out something that we might be missing here. Road tax have
>traditionally been a yearly levy on the vehicles in most countries, at
>least in Europe. This road tax is meant to cover the road and transport
>systems, a so called ear marked tax. Tax on fuels is a sales tax that
>normally to other needs of the society. Fuel tax is wrongfully and
>deliberately attempted to label as road tax by politicians, but have very
>little to do with roads.
>
>Talking with politicians, they often label the higher fuel tax as a way to
>control consumption and encourage energy savings. Like tobacco tax is there
>to encourage "no smoking", Sweden just lowered the tobacco tax because sale
>was going down to much.
>
>It might have been a noble argument to save energy and ease up on the
>expensive oil import. Reality today is that most governments have gone in
>to the oil business in a big way. EU have taken directives for tax exempt
>for bio fuels and UK is one of the countries that resists implementation
>and that also is prepared to use the police to protect their oil business.
>
>So we should stop calling fuel tax with the name "road tax" and instead
>call it "sales tax". In the latest oil crises Blair and other politicians
>refused to ease the tax to help the transportation industry. The argument
>was that they would have to close schools and hospitals if they did. Quite
>a revealing argument on how they use the "road tax".
>
>The above should be said at all presentations.
>
>Hakan

Anyone doing this, please keep us abreast of the process, a lot of 
people want to know this stuff. When we've got it all sorted out I 
can put it all in a new page at Journey to Forever where anyone can 
find it.

>Again, thank you for the excellent information.  It is
>very much appreciated.

:-)

>Blue skies,

And to you.

All best

Keith


>-Brian
>Portland Biodiesel Co-op
>http://www.gobiodiesel.com
>
>--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello Brian
> There's been a lot of discussion here and elsewhere
> > about
> > small-producer certification, and a lot of confusion
> > too, it seems.
> > On the one hand there's been quite a lot of talk of
> > conspiracies to
> > exclude the small guys, which I don't think is
> > warranted, and on the
> > other the EPA has said different things at different
> > times.


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Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1154

[Keith Addison]

>Hi

Welcome.

>not sure if this is the correct address to reply to

Yes it is. But "Digest Number 1154" isn't the most interesting subject.

>can anyone advise me on my attempts to make biodiesel
>it is going badly wrong and I'm going to quit - methanol isn't cheap
>I have photos of the results and notes on my attempts so far
>any help much appreciated

Send us your notes, there are some seasoned folk here who should be 
able to help. The list doesn't accept attachments though (to stop 
viruses), so you can't send the photos. Let's see how it goes, maybe 
we can make some other arrangement with the photos if necessary.

You say methanol isn't cheap, but the small amounts you need for 
making initial test batches are cheap. Did you start with test 
batches?

Best

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Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[Brian]

Thank you Keith for your very thorough response.  In
my experience, the government has been quite helpful
in assisting startups.

So in summary, if we decide to produce biodiesel and
sell it for on-road use, we would need to:

1) Ensure that our fuel meets ASTM D-6751, presumably
by having samples tested at a lab.

2) Track gallons sold and remit the appropriate state
and federal taxes.

If this is the case, I find it quite reasonable.  It
would be better if the taxes were reduced or
eliminated of course.  Count our organization in if
any serious lobby is formed for this purpose. 
However, I can hardly fault the government seeking
road taxes.  

Again, thank you for the excellent information.  It is
very much appreciated.

Blue skies,

-Brian
Portland Biodiesel Co-op
http://www.gobiodiesel.com

--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Brian
 There's been a lot of discussion here and elsewhere
> about 
> small-producer certification, and a lot of confusion
> too, it seems. 
> On the one hand there's been quite a lot of talk of
> conspiracies to 
> exclude the small guys, which I don't think is
> warranted, and on the 
> other the EPA has said different things at different
> times.


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Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1154

[Hot Dog]

Hi

not sure if this is the correct address to reply to
can anyone advise me on my attempts to make biodiesel
it is going badly wrong and I'm going to quit - methanol isn't cheap
I have photos of the results and notes on my attempts so far
any help much appreciated


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Re: [biofuel] presentation tomorrow

[Hakan Falk]

I like to point out something that we might be missing here. Road tax have 
traditionally been a yearly levy on the vehicles in most countries, at 
least in Europe. This road tax is meant to cover the road and transport 
systems, a so called ear marked tax. Tax on fuels is a sales tax that 
normally to other needs of the society. Fuel tax is wrongfully and 
deliberately attempted to label as road tax by politicians, but have very 
little to do with roads.

Talking with politicians, they often label the higher fuel tax as a way to 
control consumption and encourage energy savings. Like tobacco tax is there 
to encourage "no smoking", Sweden just lowered the tobacco tax because sale 
was going down to much.

It might have been a noble argument to save energy and ease up on the 
expensive oil import. Reality today is that most governments have gone in 
to the oil business in a big way. EU have taken directives for tax exempt 
for bio fuels and UK is one of the countries that resists implementation 
and that also is prepared to use the police to protect their oil business.

So we should stop calling fuel tax with the name "road tax" and instead 
call it "sales tax". In the latest oil crises Blair and other politicians 
refused to ease the tax to help the transportation industry. The argument 
was that they would have to close schools and hospitals if they did. Quite 
a revealing argument on how they use the "road tax".

The above should be said at all presentations.

Hakan


At 08:25 AM 10/10/2002 +0900, you wrote:
>Hello Dan
>
>Just want to respond to this bit:
>
> >Are producers getting shut down for lack of road tax payment?
> >I just heard a small clip on NPR this morning about arrests? or fines
> >against people but I did not hear the whole clip. (can't find it on
> >archive either.)
>
>and this:
>
> >I could use a bit more info on govt. regs. small scale producers,
>
>Re small scale producers, please see this message cross-posted from
>Biofuels-biz:
>http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=17393&list=biofuel
>
>Re taxes, a small producer has been penalised, not for producing the
>fuel, but for using it on-road without paying the tax. The onus is on
>the user. Here's the message we received:
>
> >... from World Energy ...
> >
> >Snip>
> >We run into a lot of small producers who are trying to do the right thing,
> >but I would be remiss if I did not warn about the severity of cutting 
> corners
> >from an IRS or EPA standpoint.
> >Any biodiesel producer or seller needs to understand that any biodiesel used
> >(not sold)as fuel in an on-road vehicle is subject to on-road tax. We have a
> >number of producers around the country who do not want to deal with the tax,
> >and sell it tax exempt. This fuel does often end up in peoples vehicles. 
> Just
> >as you and I pay tax at the pump, it is the user who is ultimately
> >responsible for road tax.
> >
> >We just had a small producer in another state in a similar situation. They
> >own a number of diesel vehicles and have been using it for about a year. 
> They
> >were just hit with bill for $0.31/gallon State excise tax plus penalties and
> >interest for every gallon they have produced. In addition, since the 
> fuel was
> >used in on-road vehicles, the Federal Government can (and most likely will)
> >fine up to $10.00/gallon for every gallon used. The organization in Maine is
> >a non-profit agency and is therefore tax exempt. They also do not sell any
> >fuel to te outside world.
> >
> >Many of these small producers are yet to realize how sad the ending may 
> be. I
> >don't mean to sound rude or abrupt, but the tax consequences can be quite
> >severe. I have already seen it happen once. I think we will see it happen
> >again.
>
>It might be interesting to compare the subsidies gallon-for-gallon
>used for fossil fuels and biofuels, or not even necessary - we all
>know which way that goes. A lot of us see no justification in taxing
>biofuels at all. This is what someone on another list just said about
>it:
>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >From: John Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:19:15 -0500
> >Subject: [wastewatts] Frying Squad
> >
> >Keith,
> >
> >I'm glad this has happened in the Northeast. Boston is in the Northeast.
> >There was a certain "social gathering" there in the 1770s that sparked a
> >revolution due to what was perceived as an unjust tax on a certain
> >beverage.
> >
> >I think a little non-violent protest is needed to bring home the ideas.
> >If I were out there, I would try to get arrested and then fight it in
> >court.
> >
> >Pretty soon they'll have to tax the Amish because they feed their
> >carriage hauling  horses soybeans and hay! Then you will have a case
> >involving religion and fuel. Can any lines be drawn then? I think the
> >Constitution would be a pretty safe place to hide at that point. "The
> >pursuit of happiness and freedom from religious persecution" or
> >something like that comes to mind.
> >
> >

[biofuel] FW: Food Scraps to Power Bacteria-Driven Battery

[kirk]

Food Scraps to Power Bacteria-Driven Battery

10/09/02 14:11

LONDON (Reuters) - Food scraps once consigned to the compost heap -- or the
dog -- could soon be powering a cheap bacteria- driven
battery if British scientists have their way.
Researchers at the University of the West of England (UWE) in Bristol have
developed a microbial fuel cell about the size of a mobile phone
that could be powered by organic household waste.
"Right now, their fuel cell runs only on sugar cubes, since these produce
almost no waste when broken down, but they aim to move on to
carrot power," New Scientist magazine said on Wednesday.
Chris Melhuish and his team are using the cell to run a small
light-sensitive robot but they said when a series of the cells are connected
they
could run domestic appliances.
The bacteria-driven cell, which would cost about 10 pounds ($15), directly
converts biochemical energy into electricity. It uses E.coli
bacteria to break down carbohydrates and release hydrogen atoms.
"The cell also contains chemicals that drive a series of redox, reduction
and oxidation reactions, stripping electrons from the hydrogen atoms
and delivering them steadily to the fuel cell's anode. This creates a
voltage that can be used to power a circuit," the magazine said.
Melhuish and his team said their organic battery can produce eight times as
much energy as other microbial fuel cells.



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Re: [biofuel] presentation tomorrow

[Keith Addison]

Hello Dan

Just want to respond to this bit:

>Are producers getting shut down for lack of road tax payment?
>I just heard a small clip on NPR this morning about arrests? or fines
>against people but I did not hear the whole clip. (can't find it on
>archive either.)

and this:

>I could use a bit more info on govt. regs. small scale producers,

Re small scale producers, please see this message cross-posted from 
Biofuels-biz:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=17393&list=biofuel

Re taxes, a small producer has been penalised, not for producing the 
fuel, but for using it on-road without paying the tax. The onus is on 
the user. Here's the message we received:

>... from World Energy ...
>
>Snip>
>We run into a lot of small producers who are trying to do the right thing,
>but I would be remiss if I did not warn about the severity of cutting corners
>from an IRS or EPA standpoint.
>Any biodiesel producer or seller needs to understand that any biodiesel used
>(not sold)as fuel in an on-road vehicle is subject to on-road tax. We have a
>number of producers around the country who do not want to deal with the tax,
>and sell it tax exempt. This fuel does often end up in peoples vehicles. Just
>as you and I pay tax at the pump, it is the user who is ultimately
>responsible for road tax.
>
>We just had a small producer in another state in a similar situation. They
>own a number of diesel vehicles and have been using it for about a year. They
>were just hit with bill for $0.31/gallon State excise tax plus penalties and
>interest for every gallon they have produced. In addition, since the fuel was
>used in on-road vehicles, the Federal Government can (and most likely will)
>fine up to $10.00/gallon for every gallon used. The organization in Maine is
>a non-profit agency and is therefore tax exempt. They also do not sell any
>fuel to te outside world.
>
>Many of these small producers are yet to realize how sad the ending may be. I
>don't mean to sound rude or abrupt, but the tax consequences can be quite
>severe. I have already seen it happen once. I think we will see it happen
>again.

It might be interesting to compare the subsidies gallon-for-gallon 
used for fossil fuels and biofuels, or not even necessary - we all 
know which way that goes. A lot of us see no justification in taxing 
biofuels at all. This is what someone on another list just said about 
it:

>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: John Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:19:15 -0500
>Subject: [wastewatts] Frying Squad
>
>Keith,
>
>I'm glad this has happened in the Northeast. Boston is in the Northeast.
>There was a certain "social gathering" there in the 1770s that sparked a
>revolution due to what was perceived as an unjust tax on a certain
>beverage.
>
>I think a little non-violent protest is needed to bring home the ideas.
>If I were out there, I would try to get arrested and then fight it in
>court.
>
>Pretty soon they'll have to tax the Amish because they feed their
>carriage hauling  horses soybeans and hay! Then you will have a case
>involving religion and fuel. Can any lines be drawn then? I think the
>Constitution would be a pretty safe place to hide at that point. "The
>pursuit of happiness and freedom from religious persecution" or
>something like that comes to mind.
>
>Archibald

Tea, anyone?



Nice outline for your presentation. Please tell us how it goes, and 
best of good luck.

>this is the best forum in all of yahoo.!
>keep it up keith.

Thankyou Dan! I'll buy you a virtual beer for that. :-) But it's the 
whole gang, not just me. The complete catastrophe, as they say, not 
just the match that lit the fuse.

All best

Keith

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FW: [biofuel] presentation tomorrow

[kirk]

Re: [biofuel] Re: home heating

[mother]

since posting this question, i've gotten some more
feedback (from a very reputable source) i'll share..
question posed was if buring biodiesel in standard oil
furnace, if there were any modifications the needed to
be made to furnace:

"...the furnace should do fine.  if burning 100%
biodiesel shaft seals on furnace pump may need
attention after a while..."

this, because BD is more lika solvent, so little
rubber washers'll eventually get eaten through ...
but, as far as the furnace itself, oil you buy from
the "heating company" is called "#2 heating oil",
which is just diesel feul with a different name (and
different taxes... which is why you never *see* a
farmer syphon heating oil outta his furnance into his
tractor, but you know he does!)... so if you hava
source of good BD (no hushpuppy chips) and are willing
to keep an eye on rubber parts on your furnace pump
for corrosion, you should be good - i'm gonna
giveitatry this year, will report back

rj


--- dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to the person who wants to burn biod. or WVO, check
> out OMNI by Econo 
> Heal Inc.  they have a commercial grade boiler to
> burn SAE 10 -90 
> with no modifications and no external air
> compressor.  they lower 
> viscosity with pre heating.  
> 
> www.econoheat.com
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], studio53 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > You can't "set" a home heating oil furnace to burn
> more oil. You 
> could
> > change the nozzle size,i.e., a .8 to a 1.5, which
> means instead of 
> burning
> > 8/10th of a gallon, it burns 1.5 gallons, but
> nozzle sizes are set 
> by the
> > manufacturer of the furnace based on the size of
> the chamber. It is 
> very
> > unlikely a maintenance technician would alter this
> because it would 
> be a
> > liability.
> > 
> > Jesse Parris  |  studio53  |  graphics / web
> design  |  stamford, 
> ct  |
> > 203.324.4371
> > www.jesseparris.com/
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:49 AM
> > Subject: [biofuel] home heating
> > 
> > 
> > > Replying to a couple of different digests
> here...
> > >
> > >
> > > >>>
> > > Message: 5
> > >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:23:12 -
> > >From: "dikajane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: oil furnace
> > >
> > > greetings - i'm interested in using biodiesel in
> my oil furnace 
> this
> > > winter - is there any modification i need to
> make to the furnace? 
> i
> > > won't be burning homebrewed biodiesel, as i'm
> not really set up 
> for
> > > that, but there is a company in my area (believe
> it or not) who 
> sells
> > > the stuff at their gasstation for diesel
> engines, and who 
> delivers! so
> > > this is "commercial grade" diesel, which as i
> understand it is
> > > interchangeable with #2 heating oil... any
> advise you could give 
> would
> > > be much appreciated
> > >
> > > thx
> > > dj
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > This topic sorta came up before, but I never
> really did get a 
> grasp on
> > > what the options are with oil furnaces.  Can
> they be adjusted to 
> run
> > > on WVO, or does it *have to be* pure BD?  Our
> furnace is getting 
> its
> > > annual "checkup" on Friday, so if anyone knows
> of any adjustments 
> that
> > > will allow it to run on WVO... speak now or
> forever hold your 
> peace?
> > > (or at least til next year... lol)  [Although it
> is the OIL 
> COMPANY
> > > that is performing the service, so they may not
> be too keen to 
> cut off
> > > their own business ;^)... I'm STILL trying to
> convince my husband 
> that
> > > they set it so it burns more oil.]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >>>
> > > > Message: 21
> > > >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >From: Keith Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: Re: The yummy corn fails animal tests
> > > >
> > > > Where could you purchase this corn?  I burn
> corn as a
> > > > heat source and could kill two birds with one
> stone,
> > > > lower costs for me and help to get rid of this
> junk. I
> > > > live in Va.
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > In this area, we have a bumper crop (so to
> speak) of drought-
> ravaged
> > > corn that apparently isn't even good for animal
> feed.  Could this
> > > waste corn be burned in a common fireplace or
> woodstove?
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [biofuel] home heating

[rgord]

BigK fuels in Toronto says with BD no mods are req'd. Check out their site -
I e-mailed them and got prompt response, good faq on site as well -I'll have
to check current prices it was at $0.45/litre
http://www.bigkfuels.com/

Lisa wrote:

> Replying to a couple of different digests here...
>
> >>>
> Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:23:12 -
>From: "dikajane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: oil furnace
>
> greetings - i'm interested in using biodiesel in my oil furnace this
> winter - is there any modification i need to make to the furnace? i
> won't be burning homebrewed biodiesel, as i'm not really set up for
> that, but there is a company in my area (believe it or not) who sells
> the stuff at their gasstation for diesel engines, and who delivers! so
> this is "commercial grade" diesel, which as i understand it is
> interchangeable with #2 heating oil... any advise you could give would
> be much appreciated
>
> thx
> dj
> >>>
>
> This topic sorta came up before, but I never really did get a grasp on
> what the options are with oil furnaces.  Can they be adjusted to run
> on WVO, or does it *have to be* pure BD?  Our furnace is getting its
> annual "checkup" on Friday, so if anyone knows of any adjustments that
> will allow it to run on WVO... speak now or forever hold your peace?
> (or at least til next year... lol)  [Although it is the OIL COMPANY
> that is performing the service, so they may not be too keen to cut off
> their own business ;^)... I'm STILL trying to convince my husband that
> they set it so it burns more oil.]
>
> >>>
> > Message: 21
> >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Keith Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: The yummy corn fails animal tests
> >
> > Where could you purchase this corn?  I burn corn as a
> > heat source and could kill two birds with one stone,
> > lower costs for me and help to get rid of this junk. I
> > live in Va.
> >>>
>
> In this area, we have a bumper crop (so to speak) of drought-ravaged
> corn that apparently isn't even good for animal feed.  Could this
> waste corn be burned in a common fireplace or woodstove?
>
> TIA
> Lisa
>
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Re: [biofuel] Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving technology.

[Hakan Falk]

Hi Keith,

I took away my comment about trucks and will read the new information. You 
are a master on finding valuable information. I will, as soon as I can, do 
a more accurate picture about US transport as a supporting point. I got 
inspired about Liedtke's speech and if we are searching for some form of 
silver bullets in reducing energy waste and dependence, this is one of 
them. It is obvious that we can get somewhere by promoting use of diesel 
vehicles as a part of bio fuels. The combination is very strong for 
economy, oil dependence and environment.

Glad that you liked it, I will post it officially in on my site when it is 
ready. The link posted on the forum is a preview, aimed at getting this 
kind of valuable comments that I got. After all, I need all help I can get, 
since this is not really my speciality. Since English is not my native 
language, you can comment if it is large faults, but with this I take a 
risk to get more than a thousand comments, so only important things please.

Thank you all and if you have more, tell me.

Hakan

At 02:55 AM 10/10/2002 +0900, you wrote:
>Hi Steve, Hakan and all
>
>94% of everything Americans eat, wear or use gets to them by diesel
>fuel, and it's the same everywhere else. Hm... that didn't come with
>a reference, but I know I have one somewhere - I'll try to find it if
>anyone insists. Anyway, diesels are the invariable choice for
>professional transport - they're the most efficient and economical
>engines by far, and they last much longer. If the big enviro groups
>in the US succeeded in changing that with their knee-jerk
>diesel-bashing, they'd push up the costs of everything by no small
>amount. Of course that would hit the poorer folks the hardest. At a
>time when Americans are more worried about the economy than anything
>else: "A new CBS/New York Times poll shows that Americans are more
>worried about the economy than Saddam Hussein. According to a Times
>front-page article (registration required) published today [Oct. 7],
>'A majority of Americans say that the nation's economy is in its
>worst shape in nearly a decade and that President Bush and
>Congressional leaders are spending too much time talking about Iraq
>while neglecting problems at home.'"
>http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/07/politics/07POLL.html
>Public Says Bush Needs to Pay Heed to Weak Economy
>
>"Now, for the first time, we have a well documented and quantitative
>report, that defines diesel's critical role in the economic fabric of
>the nation...The future economic growth of the nation is
>strategically linked to diesel power." See:
>http://www.dieselforum.org/enews/economicnews.html
>Diesel Technology and the American Economy
>http://www.dieselforum.org/enews/downloads/DTF-Economic-Study.PDF
>
>Hakan, that's a very nice job you've done with Liedtke's speech.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
> >just as a comment, I know of few heavy trucks and buses in North America
> >that are not diesel. diesels rule the truck market. even the small delivery
> >trucks (iveco, gmc, isuzu) are all diesel. the big 3 (2?) all produce diesel
> >trucks and suv's.
> >
> >
> >Steve Spence
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> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:47 PM
> >Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving
> >technology.
> >
> >
> >
> >Inspired by the speech of Kurt Liedtke, I expanded a bit and wrote the
> >following evaluation,
> >
> >http://diesel.energysavingnow.com
> >
> >You are welcome to read and comment.
> >
> >Hakan
> >
> >
> >Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving technology.
> >In todays world it is obvious that we have to do an inventory of
> >technologies that will produce both short and long term relief in the
> >current use of energy. We have to evaluate the technologies that we have
> >and prioritize efficiently. It is enormous gains to be done in "ready to
> >use" technologies and it will also enhance our possibilities to build the
> >"new technologies". First some background facts and statistics,
> >
> >áIn Western Europe 40% of the cars are diesels and it is expected that this
> >will grow to 50% or more by 2010.
> >
> >áIn North America less than 1% of the cars are diesels and leave North
> >America with a tremendous window of opportunity. Not only to make large
> >savings, but also to major improvements of pollution levels.
> >
> >áIn Western Europe diesels are used in almost all heavy trucks and Buses,
> >in North America not.
> >
> >áThe fuel consumption per mileage for a diesel is around 30%-40% less than
> >for a gasoline.
> >
> >áThe total fuel cost per mileage for a diesel is around 40% to 60% lower
> >than a gasoline, since diesel is cheaper.
> >
> >áThe green house gases for diesel are directly related to consumption and
> >30%-40% less than g

[biofuel] presentation tomorrow

[dan]

I have been blessed by being on a panel discussion on alternative 
energy tomorrow night.  THose of you who want to help, keep reading, 
otherwise no point.

My topic is BIOD and WVO and SVO. I have good understanding of why we 
need to use oils, can discuss conversions for WVO or SVO diesel, have 
handouts form depatrment of transportatoin on BIOD and department of 
energy. I have Tickel's book, and video and can explain how to make.  
I know a bit about the rendering companies, Baker INdustries, about 
small Biod. set ups on buss lines in Arizona I think it is. I can 
talk about WVO for heating in waste oil boilers.  

I know less about people who are generating electricty with WVO and I 
would liek a bit of help on talking about the US. Govt.'s opinion of 
Biod.  Are producers getting shut down for lack of road tax payment? 
I just heard a small clip on NPR this morning about arrests? or fines 
against people but I did not hear the whole clip. (can't find it on 
archive either.)So, here is a brief outline. 
Presentation biofuel:


"Oil: from the sun.  oil is one of the most energy rich substances 
plants produce. They make it to feed their seedlings: oil provides 
energy for growing of the seed.  Its all solar radiation stored as 
fuel.  We can use this fuel.  

"Straight veg. Oil.  This was what the first diesel engine ran on: 
rudolf diesel's enging ran on peanut oil.

"Hemp oil.  This turned the industrial revolution and early 20th 
century america.  The war on drugs has crushed this fantastic oil 
resource

"WVO: at the local resaurant. Make biodiesel, run WVO with dual tank.


"Issues:  road tax
Disposal companies
Small scale lends itself
People are doing this!!!


"Uses: heating oil. 
Generate electricity
Automobile and bus.

"Bus - less polutoin for kids

"Strenghts:  see handouts
Easy to make,  fuel is here not being fed to chickens.
Non toxic
High flash point
No reliance on foreign
Meet epa requirements

 
I could use a bit more info on govt. regs. small scale producers, 
Anecdotals I can QUOTE of people who are doing Biod or WVO. in car, 
oil furnace.  Thanks for you hlep. post here or 
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Re: [biofuel] presentation tomorrow

[Ken Basterfield]

Sounds a bit fishy, this.

Since when did Subaru make diesel engines?

yours sceptical,
ken b


- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: 09 October 2002 17:49
Subject: RE: [biofuel] presentation tomorrow


> Dan,
> NPR clip is below.
> Good luck w/your presentation,
> Ed
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?
> tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20021009/od_nm/petrol_dc
>
> LONDON (Reuters) - A Welsh police team dubbed "the Frying Squad" has
> been formed to sniff out motorists who fuel their cars with cooking
> oil from fish and chip shops in a bid to avoid paying high government
> fuel taxes.
>
> Three Welsh motorists have already been caught and fined for using
> waste oil from restaurants selling Britain's favorite deep-fried
> dish, the Times newspaper reported Wednesday.
>
> "I have halved my motoring costs since I started running my Subaru on
> cooking oil," the paper quoted one of those stopped as saying.
>
> "The car runs just as well and even smells a lot better than diesel."
>
> The drivers were fined 500 pounds ($780) and warned that persistent
> offenders may face up to seven years in jail.
>
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Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[Craig Pech]

For those of you in the US that are interested in contacting the EPA - Joe
Sopata:

202-564-9034

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Does anyone have a source for a lab that can certify ASTM standards - other
than NBB?

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RE: [biofuel] Small ethanol production - aqueous ethanol

[Keith Addison]

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >I am seeking sources for ethanol still technology suitable for small
> >production capacities of ethanol (200,000 to 400,000 gal/yr).

That's not really small production - what people need to distill 
enough for their own use is a still that would produce about 5-10 
gallons an hour. You should look at Terry Wilhelm's Revenoor site for 
that:
http://revenoor.com/
- or at the resources below.

> >I am specifically interested in any data on Aqueous Ethanol production (such
> >as Aquanol as is produced by Simplot Corporation) process designs that stop
> >the distillation process at about 140 proof.

Have a look at these stills, from Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel:

Chapter 8
Six-Inch Column Still Plans
Three-Inch Column Still Plans
Bill of Materials
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meCh8.html

Chapter 9
Two Low-cost Backyard Stills
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meCh9.html

I'm in the process of scanning the full plans, blueprints and 
instructions for this set-up, which might be the one you need:
The Butterfield Still -- This report provides details of the design, 
construction, operation and performance of the FSB Energy Fuel 
Alcohol Plant.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_butterfield.html

Best

Keith


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Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[Craig Pech]

Anyone know the cost of joining NBB? I contacted them last week, but they
have not gotten back.

Craig

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel


> Join the NBB, or you will have to chalk up the million dollar testing
fees.
>
> http://www.biodiesel.org/
>
> http://www.yellowbiodiesel.com/buybiodiesel.htm
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[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 10/9/02

[EREN]

=
EREN NETWORK NEWS -- October 9, 2002
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN).

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Featuring:
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   University of Colorado Takes First Place in Solar Decathlon
   DOE Extends Its Partnership with Architects on Buildings
   Green Power Leaders Named as New Deals Announced
   DaimlerChrysler to Launch Fuel-Cell Mercedes-Benzes in 2003
   California Goal: 600,000 Natural Gas Vehicles by 2012
   California and New York Extend Their "Net Metering" Laws

*Site News
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*Energy Facts and Tips
   EIA Expects Heating Bills to Increase Up to $300 This Winter

*About this Newsletter


--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
University of Colorado Takes First Place in Solar Decathlon

The University of Colorado at Boulder (CU) won first place in DOE's
Solar Decathlon competition on Saturday, officially bringing an end
to the 10-day competition. The University of Virginia placed second
in the competition, and Auburn University came in third. See the DOE
press release at:


The Solar Decathlon is a team competition among universities to
design and build the most energy-efficient solar-powered homes.
Fourteen teams from throughout the United States and Puerto Rico
brought their solar homes to the National Mall in Washington, D.C.,
for the competition, which ran from September 26th through October
5th. As the winning team, CU most successfully blended aesthetics
and modern conveniences with maximum energy production and
efficiency in its solar-powered home. See the Solar Decathlon Web
site at: .

After taking an early lead in the competition, CU further cemented
its lead on Thursday by tying with Crowder College for the most
amount of points in Engineering Design, which honors excellence in
the design of lighting, refrigeration, and heating and air
conditioning systems and the setup and operation of a home-based
business. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University earned
second place and the University of Maryland placed third. See the
DOE press release at:


As the name implies, the Solar Decathlon included 10 events on which
each team was judged. CU won the "Graphics and Communication"
contest, Virginia Polytechnic Institute took first place in the
"Design Presentation and Simulation" contest, and the University of
Virginia, the second-place winner overall, won the "Design and
Livability" contest. See last week's newsletter for more details on
those competitions.

The remaining contests were based on energy performance. Five teams
-- Auburn University, Crowder College, CU, the University of
Maryland, and the University of Virginia -- all achieved the maximum
number of points in the "Energy Balance" competition, which measured
whether each house was able to supply its electrical needs
throughout the competition. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
University took first place in the "Getting Around" competition,
which involved running errands in an electric car that was charged
using excess power from their house.

The Engineering Design results mentioned above contributed part of
the points for each of the remaining competitions, which were also
judged on performance and energy efficiency: CU won the "Comfort
Zone" contest by keeping its house at a comfortable temperature and
humidity level, the University of Missouri-Rolla/Rolla Technical
Institute won the "Refrigeration" contest, the University of
Maryland won the "Hot Water" contest, and Crowder College won both
the "Lighting" and "Home Business" contests. See the team rankings
and contest descriptions on the Solar Decathlon Web site at:
 and
.


DOE Extends Its Partnership with Architects on Buildings

DOE and the American Institute of Architects (AIA) signed an
agreement on October 4th that continues and expands their
partnership on DOE's buildings programs. DOE and AIA will continue
their joint work by creating resource-efficient buildings;
encouraging improvements in the quality of indoor environment and
occupant productivity; advocating an increased use of renewable,
clean energy sources; working to reduce the environmental impact of
buildings; and promoting global economic opportunities through
internationally recognized high-performance designs and energy-
efficient structures. See the DOE press release at:

Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[Keith Addison]

Hello Brian

>Hello, I've been lurking for a while, and now seems a
>good time for an intro and a request for help.
>
>My name is Brian Jamison and I'm currently organizing
>the Portland Oregon Biodiesel Co-op.  We're not
>currently producing biodiesel but soon will.  I'm
>committed to doing everything legal and above board.
>
>I've heard rumors from small biodiesel producers
>(mostly homebrewers) that it is a million dollar
>process to get certification to sell biodiesel.  I
>tend to doubt it.
>
>So, what is required?  Paying the road taxes is easy.
>
>Blue skies,
>
>Brian Jamison
>Founder
>Portland Biodiesel Co-op
>http://www.gobiodiesel.com

There's been a lot of discussion here and elsewhere about 
small-producer certification, and a lot of confusion too, it seems. 
On the one hand there's been quite a lot of talk of conspiracies to 
exclude the small guys, which I don't think is warranted, and on the 
other the EPA has said different things at different times.

The EPA requires registration of all fuel producers for non-standard 
fuels used on-road, which includes biodiesel, and the fuels must be 
tested. The NBB put a sample of soy biodiesel through the required 
Clean Air Act Tier I and Tier II Health Effects tests, and it passed 
(the only alternative fuel so far to do so). The tests also covered 
biodiesel made from other feedstocks, such as corn oil, lard, tallow, 
WVO, etc., as the differences between them are not significant. The 
Tier II tests were federally funded and are thus in the public 
domain, anyone can use them. The Tier I tests were funded by the 
Soybean Councils and largely paid for with soy check-off dollars. The 
non-profit NBB was created by the Soybean Councils, which are still 
the major force within the NBB. The check-off money used for the 
biodiesel Tier I tests could have been used elsewhere, and the 
NBB/Soybean Councils want it back.

To gain access to the data you'd either have to join the NBB and pay 
a $5,000 per annum  membership fee plus a production tax - or - pay a 
$100,000 bond to the NBB for non-member access to the Health Effects 
Data (to be returned at face value, without interest, in 2015, if the 
NBB has recovered the costs of the tests by then) - or - pay more 
than $1 million for your own Tier I health effects tests, which will 
take a few years - or - be prepared to face EPA fines of $25,000 per 
day, which could be retroactive.

The issue is whether small producers are or are not exempt from 
paying for access to the health effects data. There are supposed to 
be exemptions for small producers, but it's been said they didn't 
apply, and one small producer - Tom Leue's Yellow Biodiesel - was 
apparently closed down on this account, or at least stopped from 
selling his fuel for on-road use.

The "small business exemptions" depend on which family/category the 
fuel/additive falls into. If the "product" is considered baseline or 
non-baseline, then manufacturers with total annual sales of less than 
$50 million are not required to meet Tier I or Tier II. If the 
product is considered "atypical", then manufacturers with total 
annual sales of less than $10 mil are not required to meet Tier II 
(Tier I still applies). There are three diesel categories in the 
Diesel Family: Baseline Diesel, Non-Baseline Diesel, and Atypical 
[diesel].

Baseline Diesel is comprised of diesel fuels and associated additives 
which satisfy ALL of the following criteria: shall contain no 
elements other than carbon, hydrogen, oxygen (<1%), nitrogen and 
sulfur (no more than the legal limit for highway diesel). Baseline 
Diesel must possess the characteristics of ASTM D 975-93. Baseline 
Diesel must be derived from conventional petroleum sources only. 
(40CFR79.56(e)3(ii)A)

Non-baseline Diesel must meet all the criteria of baseline diesel 
except: oxygen can be 1% or higher (no specified limit) and it can 
include diesel fuel and additives which may be derived from synthetic 
crudes, such as those prepared from coal, shale, tar sands, heavy oil 
deposits, and other non-conventional petroleum sources.

Atypical Diesel comprises diesel and additives which contain one or 
more elements other than carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and 
sulfur. (40CFR79.56(e)3(ii)C) No mention of source.

According to this, biodiesel (either as a fuel or an additive) 
doesn't meet Baseline or Non-Baseline because its made from 
non-petroleum sources.

Joe Sopata of the EPA has stated that any blend of 6% biodiesel or 
less was considered a non-baseline fuel, and anything over 6% was 
considered atypical, and therefore not subject to the Tier 1 
exemption. But we could not find these definitions in any EPA 
documents.

What we dcid find in an EPA document is this: "An exception is 
biodiesel, which is one group, even though it consists of mixed alkyl 
esters of plant and/or animal origin."
http://www.epa.gov/icr/icrs/icrpages/1696ss03.htm

This makes biodiesel a non-baseline diesel group, and thus 

[biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Straighter-than-straight vegetable oils as diesel fuels

[Keith Addison]

Nice post to biofuels-biz from Michael Allen in Thailand, who's been 
working with crude palm oil there.

Keith

>To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
>From: Michael Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:10:35 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: [biofuels-biz] Straighter-than-straight  vegetable oils as 
>diesel fuels
>
>Our work is of an out-reach nature as well.
>
>Part of our objective is to stabilise prices that
>farmers can receive for their products.
>
>*Some background on Southern Thailand Agriculture*
>
>Here in southern Thailand the major agricutural
>products are rubber (and rubber-wood) and palm-oil.
>Prawns are grown in ecologically disastrous ponds when
>the price is right. Rice is not extensively grown
>locally because the climate produces only two good
>crops a year.
>
>The highly photogenic Asian water-buffalo has been
>largely replaced by the diesel-powered two-wheeled
>tractor.
>
>Fishing is also a sizable industry and uses diesel
>engines attached to a long-shafted propeller (the
>"long-tail") for in-shore fishing or big grunty
>diesels in purpose-built vessels for long-line squid
>fishing etc.
>
>Farmers and fishermen have experimented with SVO and
>SVO blends with kerosene for many years now but both
>refined coconut oil and refined palm-oil can be sold
>at a price which is comparable with diesel. Reliable
>facts on pollution and engine damage produced by crude
>vegetable oil (CVO . . . . Crook Vegetable Oil?)
>experimentation are hard to come by due to the general
>enthusiasm of the proponent entrepreneurs who are
>naturally somewhat coy about discussing their
>failures.
>
>In August 2000, I was asked if "straight" palm-oil
>could be used to run diesel engines. Based on some
>work with which I was associated in New Zealand, I
>assured my colleagues at the Prince of Songkla
>University that it could. (Hell! We had fired up
>diesels on butter and biogas in New Zealand! I was on
>a sure thing here!)
>
>So we ran a Kubota diesel on 50:50 SVO:petrodiesel,
>then 80:20 and then 100:0. Based on this, we applied
>for financial support to find out just how much
>refining was (un)necessary to make an acceptable
>diesel fuel. Over a year, we ran seven diesel engines
>on palm-oil: 3 were in field tests on actual tractors
>or fishing boats, one was in a home-made truck which
>delivers fertiliser off-road, and three were in
>test-beds here at the University. They were all
>identical in design: And they all had to be run in on
>petro-diesel because they were all equally new.
>
>In the test beds, we used a standard test based on the
>Japanese standards for agricultural diesels. (don't
>have the designation to hand). The only engine
>modification was to bring the exhaust out through the
>fuel tank and fit a small plastic tank and associated
>valves to start up the engine (and shut it down) on
>petrodiesel. We measured fuel economy under a variety
>of engine loads (achieved with an alternator and
>electric light bulbs). We looked at air pollution and
>volumetric efficiency amongst other parameters. After
>500 hours of continuous use, we shut them down, took
>them to bits, re-weighed the engine pieces (valves,
>pistons, rings, bearings) and examined them visually.
>
>And now the bit that you are all interested in: The
>engines worked just fine on refined palm oil. That is
>oil which has been de-gummed with phosphoric acid and
>had fatty acids removed by saponification with sodium
>hydroxide. Yes folks! Sadly, you do need some
>chemicals and simple process engineering to make most
>vegetable oils work. Just because you don't do it in
>the back-yard doesn't mean that it has not been done
>--- perhaps in one of those big centralised processing
>plants we all despise :-)
>
>We discontinued the trial after 2000 hours of running
>(with the engine hardly missing a beat). Now, as I
>said, the process of refining puts the finished
>product into a price category comparable with the
>retail price of petrodiesel (including some tax). In
>Thai currency, this is about 12 to 13 baht/litre with
>diesel oscillating around 14 to 16 baht/litre
>depending somewhat on who the US is threatening today.
>
>To the oil farmer, his crude palm oil (CPO or perhaps
>CVO if you prefer to distinguish it from the SVO even
>though it is actually "straighter than straight" ) may
>be worth only 2 or 3 baht/litre so quite obviously,
>the less refining needed, the more competitive it
>should be (at least in an economic sense.) But CPO may
>contain between 2 and 14% FFA whereas refined palm oil
>contains less than 1% (usually about .5%). CPO is like
>"Brasso" metal cleaning fluid --- yellow and waxy with
>suspended stearin. Refined palm oil is a clean and
>bright liquid.
>
>Carrying out the comparable continuous engine trials
>with CPO, our first engine lasted less than 300 hours
>before it packed in with a big cloud of black smoke
>and an even bigger bang.  Dismantling the engine
>showed erosion around the inlet port and on the piston
>head its

Re: [biofuel] biodiesel in a month

[Keith Addison]

I've got some I made three years ago, and it's still fine. It's 
generally said it should be used within six months, but that's erring 
on the side of caution, IMO - if you store it properly it'll last 
longer than that. Only one month is certainly wrong.

Keith

>it would depend on the environment. if you left it in the sun, in a hot
>climate, it might get pretty nasty after a month. not in cooler climates and
>kept in lightless containers.
>
>
>Steve Spence
>Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter
>& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology:
>http://www.green-trust.org
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>- Original Message -
>From: "chris chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:54 AM
>Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel in a month
>
>
> >
> >
> > Is it true that you have to consume the biodiesel within a month? Why?
>Does
> > it apply to all kinds of biodiesel regardless of the raw materials used?


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Re: [biofuel] Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving technology.

[Keith Addison]

Hi Steve, Hakan and all

94% of everything Americans eat, wear or use gets to them by diesel 
fuel, and it's the same everywhere else. Hm... that didn't come with 
a reference, but I know I have one somewhere - I'll try to find it if 
anyone insists. Anyway, diesels are the invariable choice for 
professional transport - they're the most efficient and economical 
engines by far, and they last much longer. If the big enviro groups 
in the US succeeded in changing that with their knee-jerk 
diesel-bashing, they'd push up the costs of everything by no small 
amount. Of course that would hit the poorer folks the hardest. At a 
time when Americans are more worried about the economy than anything 
else: "A new CBS/New York Times poll shows that Americans are more 
worried about the economy than Saddam Hussein. According to a Times 
front-page article (registration required) published today [Oct. 7], 
'A majority of Americans say that the nation's economy is in its 
worst shape in nearly a decade and that President Bush and 
Congressional leaders are spending too much time talking about Iraq 
while neglecting problems at home.'"
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/07/politics/07POLL.html
Public Says Bush Needs to Pay Heed to Weak Economy

"Now, for the first time, we have a well documented and quantitative 
report, that defines diesel's critical role in the economic fabric of 
the nation...The future economic growth of the nation is 
strategically linked to diesel power." See:
http://www.dieselforum.org/enews/economicnews.html
Diesel Technology and the American Economy
http://www.dieselforum.org/enews/downloads/DTF-Economic-Study.PDF

Hakan, that's a very nice job you've done with Liedtke's speech.

Best

Keith


>just as a comment, I know of few heavy trucks and buses in North America
>that are not diesel. diesels rule the truck market. even the small delivery
>trucks (iveco, gmc, isuzu) are all diesel. the big 3 (2?) all produce diesel
>trucks and suv's.
>
>
>Steve Spence
>Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter
>& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology:
>http://www.green-trust.org
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>- Original Message -
>From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:47 PM
>Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving
>technology.
>
>
>
>Inspired by the speech of Kurt Liedtke, I expanded a bit and wrote the
>following evaluation,
>
>http://diesel.energysavingnow.com
>
>You are welcome to read and comment.
>
>Hakan
>
>
>Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving technology.
>In todays world it is obvious that we have to do an inventory of
>technologies that will produce both short and long term relief in the
>current use of energy. We have to evaluate the technologies that we have
>and prioritize efficiently. It is enormous gains to be done in "ready to
>use" technologies and it will also enhance our possibilities to build the
>"new technologies". First some background facts and statistics,
>
>áIn Western Europe 40% of the cars are diesels and it is expected that this
>will grow to 50% or more by 2010.
>
>áIn North America less than 1% of the cars are diesels and leave North
>America with a tremendous window of opportunity. Not only to make large
>savings, but also to major improvements of pollution levels.
>
>áIn Western Europe diesels are used in almost all heavy trucks and Buses,
>in North America not.
>
>áThe fuel consumption per mileage for a diesel is around 30%-40% less than
>for a gasoline.
>
>áThe total fuel cost per mileage for a diesel is around 40% to 60% lower
>than a gasoline, since diesel is cheaper.
>
>áThe green house gases for diesel are directly related to consumption and
>30%-40% less than gasoline.
>
>áThe average life span for a diesel engine is 2 to 4 times more mileage
>than gasoline.
>
>áThe second hand value for the car is related to life span and is higher
>for diesel.
>
>áEurope have already roughly the same new car price for diesel and gasoline.
>
>áDiesel have better prospect for use with cheaper and competitive bio fuels.
>
>áWith bio fuels the green house gases and cancerous particle emissions will
>be reduced to possible minimums and with efficient filtering represent a
>possible near 0 alternative.
>
>Model from Department of Energy (DOE) show that if diesel is 40% of new car
>sales in North America by 2010, you will experience the following,
>
>áThe savings would be 110 million barrels of oil per year.
>
>áReduced oil transport and its risks, with close to one super tanker a day.
>
>áA saving of $9 billion per year.
>
>áDecrease of green house gases with 500 million metric ton per year. More
>than enough for North America to meet the Kyoto agreement.
>
>Why did North America not implement use of diesels like Europe did?
>I do not think that it was a diabolic decision by the Big Oil or nothing
>like that. It was probably the usual "not invented here" reason, combined
>with the waiting periods 

[biofuel] Ecological Deficits Taking Economic Toll

[Keith Addison]

Interesting way of calculating the true costs of gasoline, among 
other things. The book is a free download.

Keith


Earth Policy Institute

Ecological Deficits Taking Economic Toll

"If we have learned anything over the past year, it is that 
accounting systems that do not tell the truth can be costly," said 
Lester Brown, senior author of the new book, The Earth Policy Reader. 
"Faulty accounting systems have driven some of the world's largest 
corporations into bankruptcy, costing millions of people their 
lifetime savings, retirement income, and jobs," said Brown, President 
of the Earth Policy Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based environmental 
research organization.

In The Earth Policy Reader, coauthored with Janet Larsen and Bernie 
Fischlowitz-Roberts, Brown says the global economic accounting system 
is misleading us too, but with potentially more serious consequences. 
Economic prosperity is achieved in part by running up ecological 
deficits that do not show up on the books. Some of the record 
economic prosperity of recent decades has come from overplowing land, 
overfishing oceanic fisheries, overgrazing rangelands, overcutting 
forests, and overpumping aquifers.

At some point, these expanding ecological deficits begin to reinforce 
each other. In China, for instance, shrinking forests, deteriorating 
rangelands, eroding croplands, and falling water tables are 
converging to expand deserts and create a dust bowl of historic 
dimensions. The weight of 1.3 billion people and their livestock on 
the land and the rapid pace of economic expansion has put China on 
the frontline of the deteriorating relationship between the global 
economy and the earth's ecosystem.

"China is now at war," said Brown. "It is not invading armies that 
are claiming its territory, but expanding deserts. Old deserts are 
advancing and new ones are forming, like guerrilla forces striking 
unexpectedly, forcing Beijing to fight on several fronts. And China 
is losing the war. The deserts are claiming an ever larger piece of 
territory each year."

The flow of refugees has already begun, as villages are overrun by 
sand dunes in Inner Mongolia, Gansu, and Ningxia Provinces. A Chinese 
scientist doing grassland research in Xilingol Prefecture in Inner 
Mongolia estimates that if recent trends of desertification continue, 
the region will be uninhabitable in 15 years. An Asian Development 
Bank assessment of desertification in Gansu Province reports that 
4,000 villages risk being overrun by drifting sands.

The U.S. Dust Bowl of the 1930s forced some 3 million "Okies" and 
other refugees to leave the land, many of them heading west from 
Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas to California. But the dust bowl forming 
in China is much larger than that one was, and China's population of 
1.3 billon dwarfs the U.S. population at that time of 150 million. 
Whereas the U.S. migration was measured in the millions, China's may 
measure in the tens of millions. And as a U.S. embassy report noted, 
"unfortunately, China's 21st-century 'Okies' have no California to 
escape to, at least not in China."

"China is working to halt the expansion of deserts and to reclaim the 
lost land, but at this point, the program is not close to being 
sufficient," said Brown. "Due to spreading deserts and growing water 
shortages as water tables fall and aquifers are depleted, China's 
grain harvest is falling. In each of the last three years, the 
country has experienced grain deficits of roughly 40 million tons. 
Thus far it has covered the shortfall by drawing down stocks. When it 
can no longer do that, China will turn to world markets on a scale 
never before seen. We will not need to read about this in the 
newspapers. We will see the effect on food prices at the supermarket 
checkout counter."

The world is also incurring a vast water deficit. It is largely 
invisible, historically recent, and growing fast. It is a product of 
the tripling of water demand over the last half-century and the rapid 
worldwide spread of powerful diesel and electrically driven pumps.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports that in parts of Texas, 
Oklahoma, and Kansas the underground water table has dropped by more 
than 30 meters (100 feet). As a result, some farmers discovered in 
the summer of 2002 that their irrigation wells were pumping air 
instead of water. And water tables are falling in several states in 
India, including the Punjab, the country's breadbasket. Competition 
for water between cities and the countryside is intensifying.

The world's farmers are handicapped not only by falling water tables, 
but also by rising temperatures. During this past summer, farmers in 
key food-producing regions were confronted with some of the highest 
temperatures on record. The U.S. harvest has suffered from a 
combination of record heat and drought, which dramatically lowered 
the 2002 grain harvest. India's harvest has also suffered from high 
temperatures, including 

[biofuels-biz] Ecological Deficits Taking Economic Toll

[Keith Addison]

Interesting way of calculating the true costs of gasoline, among 
other things. The book is a free download.

Keith


Earth Policy Institute

Ecological Deficits Taking Economic Toll

"If we have learned anything over the past year, it is that 
accounting systems that do not tell the truth can be costly," said 
Lester Brown, senior author of the new book, The Earth Policy Reader. 
"Faulty accounting systems have driven some of the world's largest 
corporations into bankruptcy, costing millions of people their 
lifetime savings, retirement income, and jobs," said Brown, President 
of the Earth Policy Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based environmental 
research organization.

In The Earth Policy Reader, coauthored with Janet Larsen and Bernie 
Fischlowitz-Roberts, Brown says the global economic accounting system 
is misleading us too, but with potentially more serious consequences. 
Economic prosperity is achieved in part by running up ecological 
deficits that do not show up on the books. Some of the record 
economic prosperity of recent decades has come from overplowing land, 
overfishing oceanic fisheries, overgrazing rangelands, overcutting 
forests, and overpumping aquifers.

At some point, these expanding ecological deficits begin to reinforce 
each other. In China, for instance, shrinking forests, deteriorating 
rangelands, eroding croplands, and falling water tables are 
converging to expand deserts and create a dust bowl of historic 
dimensions. The weight of 1.3 billion people and their livestock on 
the land and the rapid pace of economic expansion has put China on 
the frontline of the deteriorating relationship between the global 
economy and the earth's ecosystem.

"China is now at war," said Brown. "It is not invading armies that 
are claiming its territory, but expanding deserts. Old deserts are 
advancing and new ones are forming, like guerrilla forces striking 
unexpectedly, forcing Beijing to fight on several fronts. And China 
is losing the war. The deserts are claiming an ever larger piece of 
territory each year."

The flow of refugees has already begun, as villages are overrun by 
sand dunes in Inner Mongolia, Gansu, and Ningxia Provinces. A Chinese 
scientist doing grassland research in Xilingol Prefecture in Inner 
Mongolia estimates that if recent trends of desertification continue, 
the region will be uninhabitable in 15 years. An Asian Development 
Bank assessment of desertification in Gansu Province reports that 
4,000 villages risk being overrun by drifting sands.

The U.S. Dust Bowl of the 1930s forced some 3 million "Okies" and 
other refugees to leave the land, many of them heading west from 
Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas to California. But the dust bowl forming 
in China is much larger than that one was, and China's population of 
1.3 billon dwarfs the U.S. population at that time of 150 million. 
Whereas the U.S. migration was measured in the millions, China's may 
measure in the tens of millions. And as a U.S. embassy report noted, 
"unfortunately, China's 21st-century 'Okies' have no California to 
escape to, at least not in China."

"China is working to halt the expansion of deserts and to reclaim the 
lost land, but at this point, the program is not close to being 
sufficient," said Brown. "Due to spreading deserts and growing water 
shortages as water tables fall and aquifers are depleted, China's 
grain harvest is falling. In each of the last three years, the 
country has experienced grain deficits of roughly 40 million tons. 
Thus far it has covered the shortfall by drawing down stocks. When it 
can no longer do that, China will turn to world markets on a scale 
never before seen. We will not need to read about this in the 
newspapers. We will see the effect on food prices at the supermarket 
checkout counter."

The world is also incurring a vast water deficit. It is largely 
invisible, historically recent, and growing fast. It is a product of 
the tripling of water demand over the last half-century and the rapid 
worldwide spread of powerful diesel and electrically driven pumps.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports that in parts of Texas, 
Oklahoma, and Kansas the underground water table has dropped by more 
than 30 meters (100 feet). As a result, some farmers discovered in 
the summer of 2002 that their irrigation wells were pumping air 
instead of water. And water tables are falling in several states in 
India, including the Punjab, the country's breadbasket. Competition 
for water between cities and the countryside is intensifying.

The world's farmers are handicapped not only by falling water tables, 
but also by rising temperatures. During this past summer, farmers in 
key food-producing regions were confronted with some of the highest 
temperatures on record. The U.S. harvest has suffered from a 
combination of record heat and drought, which dramatically lowered 
the 2002 grain harvest. India's harvest has also suffered from high 
temperatures, including 

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[Keith Addison]

Hello Brian

>Hello, I've been lurking for a while, and now seems a
>good time for an intro and a request for help.
>
>My name is Brian Jamison and I'm currently organizing
>the Portland Oregon Biodiesel Co-op.  We're not
>currently producing biodiesel but soon will.  I'm
>committed to doing everything legal and above board.
>
>I've heard rumors from small biodiesel producers
>(mostly homebrewers) that it is a million dollar
>process to get certification to sell biodiesel.  I
>tend to doubt it.
>
>So, what is required?  Paying the road taxes is easy.
>
>Blue skies,
>
>Brian Jamison
>Founder
>Portland Biodiesel Co-op
>http://www.gobiodiesel.com

There's been a lot of discussion here and elsewhere about 
small-producer certification, and a lot of confusion too, it seems. 
On the one hand there's been quite a lot of talk of conspiracies to 
exclude the small guys, which I don't think is warranted, and on the 
other the EPA has said different things at different times.

The EPA requires registration of all fuel producers for non-standard 
fuels used on-road, which includes biodiesel, and the fuels must be 
tested. The NBB put a sample of soy biodiesel through the required 
Clean Air Act Tier I and Tier II Health Effects tests, and it passed 
(the only alternative fuel so far to do so). The tests also covered 
biodiesel made from other feedstocks, such as corn oil, lard, tallow, 
WVO, etc., as the differences between them are not significant. The 
Tier II tests were federally funded and are thus in the public 
domain, anyone can use them. The Tier I tests were funded by the 
Soybean Councils and largely paid for with soy check-off dollars. The 
non-profit NBB was created by the Soybean Councils, which are still 
the major force within the NBB. The check-off money used for the 
biodiesel Tier I tests could have been used elsewhere, and the 
NBB/Soybean Councils want it back.

To gain access to the data you'd either have to join the NBB and pay 
a $5,000 per annum  membership fee plus a production tax - or - pay a 
$100,000 bond to the NBB for non-member access to the Health Effects 
Data (to be returned at face value, without interest, in 2015, if the 
NBB has recovered the costs of the tests by then) - or - pay more 
than $1 million for your own Tier I health effects tests, which will 
take a few years - or - be prepared to face EPA fines of $25,000 per 
day, which could be retroactive.

The issue is whether small producers are or are not exempt from 
paying for access to the health effects data. There are supposed to 
be exemptions for small producers, but it's been said they didn't 
apply, and one small producer - Tom Leue's Yellow Biodiesel - was 
apparently closed down on this account, or at least stopped from 
selling his fuel for on-road use.

The "small business exemptions" depend on which family/category the 
fuel/additive falls into. If the "product" is considered baseline or 
non-baseline, then manufacturers with total annual sales of less than 
$50 million are not required to meet Tier I or Tier II. If the 
product is considered "atypical", then manufacturers with total 
annual sales of less than $10 mil are not required to meet Tier II 
(Tier I still applies). There are three diesel categories in the 
Diesel Family: Baseline Diesel, Non-Baseline Diesel, and Atypical 
[diesel].

Baseline Diesel is comprised of diesel fuels and associated additives 
which satisfy ALL of the following criteria: shall contain no 
elements other than carbon, hydrogen, oxygen (<1%), nitrogen and 
sulfur (no more than the legal limit for highway diesel). Baseline 
Diesel must possess the characteristics of ASTM D 975-93. Baseline 
Diesel must be derived from conventional petroleum sources only. 
(40CFR79.56(e)3(ii)A)

Non-baseline Diesel must meet all the criteria of baseline diesel 
except: oxygen can be 1% or higher (no specified limit) and it can 
include diesel fuel and additives which may be derived from synthetic 
crudes, such as those prepared from coal, shale, tar sands, heavy oil 
deposits, and other non-conventional petroleum sources.

Atypical Diesel comprises diesel and additives which contain one or 
more elements other than carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and 
sulfur. (40CFR79.56(e)3(ii)C) No mention of source.

According to this, biodiesel (either as a fuel or an additive) 
doesn't meet Baseline or Non-Baseline because its made from 
non-petroleum sources.

Joe Sopata of the EPA has stated that any blend of 6% biodiesel or 
less was considered a non-baseline fuel, and anything over 6% was 
considered atypical, and therefore not subject to the Tier 1 
exemption. But we could not find these definitions in any EPA 
documents.

What we dcid find in an EPA document is this: "An exception is 
biodiesel, which is one group, even though it consists of mixed alkyl 
esters of plant and/or animal origin."
http://www.epa.gov/icr/icrs/icrpages/1696ss03.htm

This makes biodiesel a non-baseline diesel group, and thus 

[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 10/9/02

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=
EREN NETWORK NEWS -- October 9, 2002
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN).

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Featuring:
*News and Events
   University of Colorado Takes First Place in Solar Decathlon
   DOE Extends Its Partnership with Architects on Buildings
   Green Power Leaders Named as New Deals Announced
   DaimlerChrysler to Launch Fuel-Cell Mercedes-Benzes in 2003
   California Goal: 600,000 Natural Gas Vehicles by 2012
   California and New York Extend Their "Net Metering" Laws

*Site News
   BioBased Information System (BIS)

*Energy Facts and Tips
   EIA Expects Heating Bills to Increase Up to $300 This Winter

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--
NEWS AND EVENTS
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University of Colorado Takes First Place in Solar Decathlon

The University of Colorado at Boulder (CU) won first place in DOE's
Solar Decathlon competition on Saturday, officially bringing an end
to the 10-day competition. The University of Virginia placed second
in the competition, and Auburn University came in third. See the DOE
press release at:


The Solar Decathlon is a team competition among universities to
design and build the most energy-efficient solar-powered homes.
Fourteen teams from throughout the United States and Puerto Rico
brought their solar homes to the National Mall in Washington, D.C.,
for the competition, which ran from September 26th through October
5th. As the winning team, CU most successfully blended aesthetics
and modern conveniences with maximum energy production and
efficiency in its solar-powered home. See the Solar Decathlon Web
site at: .

After taking an early lead in the competition, CU further cemented
its lead on Thursday by tying with Crowder College for the most
amount of points in Engineering Design, which honors excellence in
the design of lighting, refrigeration, and heating and air
conditioning systems and the setup and operation of a home-based
business. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University earned
second place and the University of Maryland placed third. See the
DOE press release at:


As the name implies, the Solar Decathlon included 10 events on which
each team was judged. CU won the "Graphics and Communication"
contest, Virginia Polytechnic Institute took first place in the
"Design Presentation and Simulation" contest, and the University of
Virginia, the second-place winner overall, won the "Design and
Livability" contest. See last week's newsletter for more details on
those competitions.

The remaining contests were based on energy performance. Five teams
-- Auburn University, Crowder College, CU, the University of
Maryland, and the University of Virginia -- all achieved the maximum
number of points in the "Energy Balance" competition, which measured
whether each house was able to supply its electrical needs
throughout the competition. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State
University took first place in the "Getting Around" competition,
which involved running errands in an electric car that was charged
using excess power from their house.

The Engineering Design results mentioned above contributed part of
the points for each of the remaining competitions, which were also
judged on performance and energy efficiency: CU won the "Comfort
Zone" contest by keeping its house at a comfortable temperature and
humidity level, the University of Missouri-Rolla/Rolla Technical
Institute won the "Refrigeration" contest, the University of
Maryland won the "Hot Water" contest, and Crowder College won both
the "Lighting" and "Home Business" contests. See the team rankings
and contest descriptions on the Solar Decathlon Web site at:
 and
.


DOE Extends Its Partnership with Architects on Buildings

DOE and the American Institute of Architects (AIA) signed an
agreement on October 4th that continues and expands their
partnership on DOE's buildings programs. DOE and AIA will continue
their joint work by creating resource-efficient buildings;
encouraging improvements in the quality of indoor environment and
occupant productivity; advocating an increased use of renewable,
clean energy sources; working to reduce the environmental impact of
buildings; and promoting global economic opportunities through
internationally recognized high-performance designs and energy-
efficient structures. See the DOE press release at:

Re: [biofuel] School busses

[Keith Addison]

>I'm making a case for the use of WVO in school buses. Anyone got
>any references on the school bus / passenger health situation?
>Thanks in anticipation
>James

Hi James

For:

http://www.biodiesel.com/AltFuels4-01_1.htm
Clean up dirty school buses - fast - with biodiesel

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/news57.html
International¨ Green Diesel Technologyª Vehicles
Diesel exhaust 'study' is in fact a 'political statement'; unbiased 
study is needed, says School Bus Fleet magazine publisher

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/news53.html
International¨ Green Diesel Technologyª Vehicles
An Erroneous Report by Natural Gas Advocates Raises Concerns About 
Diesel School Buses; Group Used Old Buses, Ignores Clean-Air 
Technology
(Source: International Truck and Engine Corporation, February 23, 2001.)

http://www.dieselforum.org/inthenews/gma_020702.html
STATEMENT FROM THE DIESEL TECHNOLOGY FORUM:
The environmental group Environment and Human Health, Inc. recently 
released a report entitled Children's Exposure to Diesel Exhaust on 
School Buses. Read the Forum's response below.

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/news59.html
School Bus Manufacturer Assails Anti-Diesel Report

http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/nr041802.htm
News Release: 2002-04-18 -- Diesel and CNG Bus Emissions

http://www.dieselforum.org/news/apr_19_2002.html
CA Study Defies Conventional Thinking About "Clean" Fuels: Diesel 
Tops Natural Gas As Cleaner

http://www.dieselforum.org/inthenews/autonews_042202.html
DIESELS: ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYBODY LIKES THEM
Automotive Newswire
(April 22, 2002)

http://www.dieselforum.org/dtfinthenews/novaj_042302.html
NEW BUSES
Northern Virginia Journal
By Steve Eldridge
(April 23, 2002)

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/factsfantasy.html
Green Diesel -- Fact or Fantasy

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/news77.html
Sound Science Will Support Diesel, Says New Publication
(Source: International Truck and Engine Corporation, May 1, 2001)

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/news72.html
Toxicologist 'Appalled' At Ignoring CNG Risk
Diesel Fuel News, April 16, 2001
By: Jack Peckham

http://www.dieselnet.com/papers/9801watts.html
Technical Reports   This paper published in
January 1998
Diesel Health Effects Reference List


Against:

http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/default.asp
NRDC: Air Pollution
Diesel School Buses Threaten Kids' Health
A new NRDC study found that excess exhaust levels on school buses 
were 23 to 46 times higher than levels considered to be a significant 
cancer risk according to EPA guidelines.

http://www.nrdc.org/air/transportation/schoolbus/sbusinx.asp
NRDC: Natural Resources Defense Council - No Breathing in the Aisles
Clean Air & Energy: Transportation: In Depth: Report
See
http://www.nrdc.org/air/transportation/schoolbus/schoolbus.pdf
No Breathing in the Aisles
Diesel Exhaust Inside School Buses
This February 2001 study from NRDC and the Coalition for Clean Air 
shows that children who ride a diesel school bus may be exposed to up 
to four times more toxic diesel exhaust than someone traveling in a 
car directly in front of it. The study found that excess exhaust 
levels on school buses were 23 to 46 times higher than levels 
considered to be a significant cancer risk according to the U.S 
Environmental Protection Agency and federal guidelines.

Environment and Human Health, Inc.

http://www.ehhi.org/pubs/children_diesel.html
Children's Exposures to Diesel Exhaust

http://www.ehhi.org/diesel/pr_diesel1.html
EHHI Releases Original Research Report, Children's Exposure to Diesel 
Exhaust on School Buses  

Children's Exposures to Diesel Exhaust on School Buses   

PDF: Part 1
http://www.ehhi.org/pubs/diesel_part1.pdf
PDF: Part 2
http://www.ehhi.org/pubs/diesel_part2.pdf
PDF: Part 3
http://www.ehhi.org/pubs/diesel_part3.pdf
 
http://www.nrdc.org/air/transportation/fdiesel.asp
NRDC: Natural Resources Defense Council - Green Diesel: Fact or Fiction?
Clean Air & Energy: Transportation: In Depth: Fact Sheet
Green Diesel: Fact or Fiction?
Reducing Toxic Soot from Trucks and Buses

http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/qbreath.asp
NRDC - Particulate Pollution FAQ





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Re: [biofuels-biz] Straighter-than-straight vegetable oils as diesel fuels

[Keith Addison]

Very nice Michael, thanks for this.

Regards

Keith



>Our work is of an out-reach nature as well.
>
>Part of our objective is to stabilise prices that
>farmers can receive for their products.
>
>*Some background on Southern Thailand Agriculture*
>
>Here in southern Thailand the major agricutural
>products are rubber (and rubber-wood) and palm-oil.
>Prawns are grown in ecologically disastrous ponds when
>the price is right. Rice is not extensively grown
>locally because the climate produces only two good
>crops a year.
>
>The highly photogenic Asian water-buffalo has been
>largely replaced by the diesel-powered two-wheeled
>tractor.
>
>Fishing is also a sizable industry and uses diesel
>engines attached to a long-shafted propeller (the
>"long-tail") for in-shore fishing or big grunty
>diesels in purpose-built vessels for long-line squid
>fishing etc.
>
>Farmers and fishermen have experimented with SVO and
>SVO blends with kerosene for many years now but both
>refined coconut oil and refined palm-oil can be sold
>at a price which is comparable with diesel. Reliable
>facts on pollution and engine damage produced by crude
>vegetable oil (CVO . . . . Crook Vegetable Oil?)
>experimentation are hard to come by due to the general
>enthusiasm of the proponent entrepreneurs who are
>naturally somewhat coy about discussing their
>failures.
>
>In August 2000, I was asked if "straight" palm-oil
>could be used to run diesel engines. Based on some
>work with which I was associated in New Zealand, I
>assured my colleagues at the Prince of Songkla
>University that it could. (Hell! We had fired up
>diesels on butter and biogas in New Zealand! I was on
>a sure thing here!)
>
>So we ran a Kubota diesel on 50:50 SVO:petrodiesel,
>then 80:20 and then 100:0. Based on this, we applied
>for financial support to find out just how much
>refining was (un)necessary to make an acceptable
>diesel fuel. Over a year, we ran seven diesel engines
>on palm-oil: 3 were in field tests on actual tractors
>or fishing boats, one was in a home-made truck which
>delivers fertiliser off-road, and three were in
>test-beds here at the University. They were all
>identical in design: And they all had to be run in on
>petro-diesel because they were all equally new.
>
>In the test beds, we used a standard test based on the
>Japanese standards for agricultural diesels. (don't
>have the designation to hand). The only engine
>modification was to bring the exhaust out through the
>fuel tank and fit a small plastic tank and associated
>valves to start up the engine (and shut it down) on
>petrodiesel. We measured fuel economy under a variety
>of engine loads (achieved with an alternator and
>electric light bulbs). We looked at air pollution and
>volumetric efficiency amongst other parameters. After
>500 hours of continuous use, we shut them down, took
>them to bits, re-weighed the engine pieces (valves,
>pistons, rings, bearings) and examined them visually.
>
>And now the bit that you are all interested in: The
>engines worked just fine on refined palm oil. That is
>oil which has been de-gummed with phosphoric acid and
>had fatty acids removed by saponification with sodium
>hydroxide. Yes folks! Sadly, you do need some
>chemicals and simple process engineering to make most
>vegetable oils work. Just because you don't do it in
>the back-yard doesn't mean that it has not been done
>--- perhaps in one of those big centralised processing
>plants we all despise :-)
>
>We discontinued the trial after 2000 hours of running
>(with the engine hardly missing a beat). Now, as I
>said, the process of refining puts the finished
>product into a price category comparable with the
>retail price of petrodiesel (including some tax). In
>Thai currency, this is about 12 to 13 baht/litre with
>diesel oscillating around 14 to 16 baht/litre
>depending somewhat on who the US is threatening today.
>
>To the oil farmer, his crude palm oil (CPO or perhaps
>CVO if you prefer to distinguish it from the SVO even
>though it is actually "straighter than straight" ) may
>be worth only 2 or 3 baht/litre so quite obviously,
>the less refining needed, the more competitive it
>should be (at least in an economic sense.) But CPO may
>contain between 2 and 14% FFA whereas refined palm oil
>contains less than 1% (usually about .5%). CPO is like
>"Brasso" metal cleaning fluid --- yellow and waxy with
>suspended stearin. Refined palm oil is a clean and
>bright liquid.
>
>Carrying out the comparable continuous engine trials
>with CPO, our first engine lasted less than 300 hours
>before it packed in with a big cloud of black smoke
>and an even bigger bang.  Dismantling the engine
>showed erosion around the inlet port and on the piston
>head itself. The rings were worn and CPO in the
>lubricating oil had apparently polymerised to a thick
>black treacle. So we refurbished the engine with new
>parts from the maker, replaced the oil, ran it in on
>petrodiesel and repeated the experiment. This time it
>almo

RE: [biofuel] presentation tomorrow

[Hall, Edward C.]

Dan,
NPR clip is below.
Good luck w/your presentation,
Ed


http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20021009/od_nm/petrol_dc

LONDON (Reuters) - A Welsh police team dubbed "the Frying Squad" has 
been formed to sniff out motorists who fuel their cars with cooking 
oil from fish and chip shops in a bid to avoid paying high government 
fuel taxes.  

Three Welsh motorists have already been caught and fined for using 
waste oil from restaurants selling Britain's favorite deep-fried 
dish, the Times newspaper reported Wednesday. 

"I have halved my motoring costs since I started running my Subaru on 
cooking oil," the paper quoted one of those stopped as saying. 

"The car runs just as well and even smells a lot better than diesel." 

The drivers were fined 500 pounds ($780) and warned that persistent 
offenders may face up to seven years in jail. 


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[biofuel] Re: Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving technology.

[motie_d]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just as a comment, I know of few heavy trucks and buses in North 
America
> that are not diesel. diesels rule the truck market. even the small 
delivery
> trucks (iveco, gmc, isuzu) are all diesel. the big 3 (2?) all 
produce diesel
> trucks and suv's.
> 
> 
> Steve Spence
> 


 Very true! In trying to find a determining factor, it seems that 
vehicles for personal use are mostly gasoline users. Those pickup 
trucks with a commercial application are more likely to be Diesel 
powered.(Farmers, Loggers and Contractors locally) Those who pull 
heavy trailers on a regular basis are still stuck with gasoline, 
until the manufacturers can get the Diesel horsepower up to 
acceptable levels.

Motie


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[biofuel] Re: home heating

[dan]

to the person who wants to burn biod. or WVO, check out OMNI by Econo 
Heal Inc.  they have a commercial grade boiler to burn SAE 10 -90 
with no modifications and no external air compressor.  they lower 
viscosity with pre heating.  

www.econoheat.com



--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], studio53 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can't "set" a home heating oil furnace to burn more oil. You 
could
> change the nozzle size,i.e., a .8 to a 1.5, which means instead of 
burning
> 8/10th of a gallon, it burns 1.5 gallons, but nozzle sizes are set 
by the
> manufacturer of the furnace based on the size of the chamber. It is 
very
> unlikely a maintenance technician would alter this because it would 
be a
> liability.
> 
> Jesse Parris  |  studio53  |  graphics / web design  |  stamford, 
ct  |
> 203.324.4371
> www.jesseparris.com/
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:49 AM
> Subject: [biofuel] home heating
> 
> 
> > Replying to a couple of different digests here...
> >
> >
> > >>>
> > Message: 5
> >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:23:12 -
> >From: "dikajane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: oil furnace
> >
> > greetings - i'm interested in using biodiesel in my oil furnace 
this
> > winter - is there any modification i need to make to the furnace? 
i
> > won't be burning homebrewed biodiesel, as i'm not really set up 
for
> > that, but there is a company in my area (believe it or not) who 
sells
> > the stuff at their gasstation for diesel engines, and who 
delivers! so
> > this is "commercial grade" diesel, which as i understand it is
> > interchangeable with #2 heating oil... any advise you could give 
would
> > be much appreciated
> >
> > thx
> > dj
> > >>>
> >
> > This topic sorta came up before, but I never really did get a 
grasp on
> > what the options are with oil furnaces.  Can they be adjusted to 
run
> > on WVO, or does it *have to be* pure BD?  Our furnace is getting 
its
> > annual "checkup" on Friday, so if anyone knows of any adjustments 
that
> > will allow it to run on WVO... speak now or forever hold your 
peace?
> > (or at least til next year... lol)  [Although it is the OIL 
COMPANY
> > that is performing the service, so they may not be too keen to 
cut off
> > their own business ;^)... I'm STILL trying to convince my husband 
that
> > they set it so it burns more oil.]
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>
> > > Message: 21
> > >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > >From: Keith Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: The yummy corn fails animal tests
> > >
> > > Where could you purchase this corn?  I burn corn as a
> > > heat source and could kill two birds with one stone,
> > > lower costs for me and help to get rid of this junk. I
> > > live in Va.
> > >>>
> >
> > In this area, we have a bumper crop (so to speak) of drought-
ravaged
> > corn that apparently isn't even good for animal feed.  Could this
> > waste corn be burned in a common fireplace or woodstove?
> >
> >
> > TIA
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[Eric Ruttan]

And sell BioDiesel as a FUEL ADDITIVE ONLY.  No federal tax.  Tell users to 
blend it.
>
>Join the NBB, or you will have to chalk up the million dollar testing fees.
>
>http://www.biodiesel.org/
>
>http://www.yellowbiodiesel.com/buybiodiesel.htm
>
>Steve Spence
>Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel
>
>
> > Hello, I've been lurking for a while, and now seems a
> > good time for an intro and a request for help.
> >
> > My name is Brian Jamison and I'm currently organizing
> > the Portland Oregon Biodiesel Co-op.  We're not
> > currently producing biodiesel but soon will.  I'm
> > committed to doing everything legal and above board.
> >
> > I've heard rumors from small biodiesel producers
> > (mostly homebrewers) that it is a million dollar
> > process to get certification to sell biodiesel.  I
> > tend to doubt it.
> >
> > So, what is required?  Paying the road taxes is easy.
> >
> > Blue skies,
> >
> > Brian Jamison
> > Founder
> > Portland Biodiesel Co-op
> > http://www.gobiodiesel.com
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Here is a communication from World Energy about
> > > government actions against
> > > one of the few biodiesel producers in the Northeast.
> > > Be forwarned.
> > >
> > > Snip>
> > > We run into a lot of small producers who are trying
> > > to do the right thing,
> > > but I would be remiss if I did not warn about the
> > > severity of cutting corners
> > > from an IRS or EPA standpoint.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any biodiesel producer or seller needs to understand
> > > that any biodiesel used
> > > (not sold)as fuel in an on-road vehicle is subject
> > > to on-road tax. We have a
> > > number of producers around the country who do not
> > > want to deal with the tax,
> > > and sell it tax exempt. This fuel does often end up
> > > in peoples vehicles. Just
> > > as you and I pay tax at the pump, it is the user who
> > > is ultimately
> > > responsible for road tax.
> > >
> > >
> > > We just had a small producer in another state in a
> > > similar situation. They
> > > own a number of diesel vehicles and have been using
> > > it for about a year. They
> > > were just hit with bill for $0.31/gallon State
> > > excise tax plus penalties and
> > > interest for every gallon they have produced. In
> > > addition, since the fuel was
> > > used in on-road vehicles, the Federal Government can
> > > (and most likely will)
> > > fine up to $10.00/gallon for every gallon used. The
> > > organization in Maine is
> > > a non-profit agency and is therefore tax exempt.
> > > They also do not sell any
> > > fuel to te outside world.
> > >
> > >
> > > Many of these small producers are yet to realize how
> > > sad the ending may be. I
> > > don't mean to sound rude or abrupt, but the tax
> > > consequences can be quite
> > > severe. I have already seen it happen once. I think
> > > we will see it happen
> > > again.


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[biofuel] from the bbc:

[John Blackmer]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2312521.stm
Wednesday, 9 October, 2002, 11:57 GMT 12:57 UK 
Police impound cars run on cooking oil


Police in west Wales have taken action against five drivers in one day for 
using vehicles run on cooking oil as part of a clampdown on the illegal 
practice. 
The motorists were stopped under new legislation which makes it an offence to 
use the oil as an alternative fuel without paying a fuel tax levy. 



   

It has been reported that a growing number of motorists are using the ordinary 
frying pan oil in their diesel engines to cut costs. 

But such drivers face having their vehicles impounded if they do not pay a fine 
of £500 and persistent offenders face up to seven years in jail. 

The legal problem is, that by using 32p-a-litre cooking oil instead of costing 
around 73p a litre, they are not paying fuel tax. 

But they are committing an offence because all cars on public roads must pay 
fuel tax - and cooking oil is not taxed. 

Officers have launched a crackdown in areas and it is reported that six drivers 
were arrested and questioned at Burry Port. 

The Automobile Association (AA) has warned that cost-conscious motorists could 
be storing up trouble for themselves. 


"It could severely damage your vehicle if you do not follow the manufacturers 
instructions about which fuel to use," a spokesman said. 

Traffic police - dubbed "frying squad" officers - are sniffing out the tax 
dodgers because the fumes smell like chips cooking. 

One driver, who did not want to be named, said: "I've halved my motoring costs 
since I started running my diesel Subaru on cooking oil. The car runs just as 
well and even smells a lot better than diesel." 

The motorist was one of dozens who have had their cars impounded in the 
crackdown. 



  

He said: "I was stopped by an unmarked car which had blue lights flashing. The 
officer went to the fuel tank, dipped it, and found cooking oil. 

"I put my hands up to the offence and the car was towed away. They said Customs 
would be notified." 

Legal powers given to the Customs and Excise mean that drivers are being forced 
to hand over £650 to get their vehicles back. 

They can be fined £500 for using illegal fuel and charged a £150 towing fee. 



A Dyfed-Powys Police spokesman denied earlier reports that six drivers had been 
arrested in the crackdown. 

"It is part of our spot stop-and-check fuel strategy to catch offenders dodging 
fuel taxes." 

One supermarket in Llanelli confirmed it sold more cooking oil than any other 
branch in the country. 

Asda spokeswoman Rachel Fellows said: "We have to admit we do sell a lot of 
cooking oil at our Llanelli store, but anyone seen attempting to wipe out our 
stock with bulk purchases would be stopped." 

Customs and Excise spokesman Bill O'Leary said: "All cars on public roads must 
pay a tax on the fuel they use. 

"Evasion is a criminal offence and carries a maximum seven-year jail term." 


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Re: [biofuel] home heating

[studio53]

You can't "set" a home heating oil furnace to burn more oil. You could
change the nozzle size,i.e., a .8 to a 1.5, which means instead of burning
8/10th of a gallon, it burns 1.5 gallons, but nozzle sizes are set by the
manufacturer of the furnace based on the size of the chamber. It is very
unlikely a maintenance technician would alter this because it would be a
liability.

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From: "Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:49 AM
Subject: [biofuel] home heating


> Replying to a couple of different digests here...
>
>
> >>>
> Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:23:12 -
>From: "dikajane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: oil furnace
>
> greetings - i'm interested in using biodiesel in my oil furnace this
> winter - is there any modification i need to make to the furnace? i
> won't be burning homebrewed biodiesel, as i'm not really set up for
> that, but there is a company in my area (believe it or not) who sells
> the stuff at their gasstation for diesel engines, and who delivers! so
> this is "commercial grade" diesel, which as i understand it is
> interchangeable with #2 heating oil... any advise you could give would
> be much appreciated
>
> thx
> dj
> >>>
>
> This topic sorta came up before, but I never really did get a grasp on
> what the options are with oil furnaces.  Can they be adjusted to run
> on WVO, or does it *have to be* pure BD?  Our furnace is getting its
> annual "checkup" on Friday, so if anyone knows of any adjustments that
> will allow it to run on WVO... speak now or forever hold your peace?
> (or at least til next year... lol)  [Although it is the OIL COMPANY
> that is performing the service, so they may not be too keen to cut off
> their own business ;^)... I'm STILL trying to convince my husband that
> they set it so it burns more oil.]
>
>
>
> >>>
> > Message: 21
> >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Keith Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: The yummy corn fails animal tests
> >
> > Where could you purchase this corn?  I burn corn as a
> > heat source and could kill two birds with one stone,
> > lower costs for me and help to get rid of this junk. I
> > live in Va.
> >>>
>
> In this area, we have a bumper crop (so to speak) of drought-ravaged
> corn that apparently isn't even good for animal feed.  Could this
> waste corn be burned in a common fireplace or woodstove?
>
>
> TIA
> Lisa
>
>
>
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[biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

[k5farms]

> -- This tax situation sounds nasty, but if Big Oil really does have 
to
> pay it, then I guess smaller folks may have to also?  A recent post 
by
> someone planning to go into the biodiesel business seemed to 
indicate
> they didn't see the tax as that big of an impedement to success.
> Given the language that World Energy used, it sounded like they were
> trying to acknowled the iconoclastic nature of smaller producers and
> help them to see that they might be headed for disaster if they
> ignored this tax?
> 
> MM

Ummm, FYI!!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20021009/od_nm/petrol_dc

LONDON (Reuters) - A Welsh police team dubbed "the Frying Squad" has 
been formed to sniff out motorists who fuel their cars with cooking 
oil from fish and chip shops in a bid to avoid paying high government 
fuel taxes.  

Three Welsh motorists have already been caught and fined for using 
waste oil from restaurants selling Britain's favorite deep-fried 
dish, the Times newspaper reported Wednesday. 

"I have halved my motoring costs since I started running my Subaru on 
cooking oil," the paper quoted one of those stopped as saying. 

"The car runs just as well and even smells a lot better than diesel." 

The drivers were fined 500 pounds ($780) and warned that persistent 
offenders may face up to seven years in jail. 



How does one make WVO burn to smell like diesel fuel? There must be 
some type of additive, eh? Good reason not to run dedicated WVO and 
be able to switch back to derv when going through toll booths. Time 
to take the decals off the windows.




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Re: [biofuel] Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving technology.

[Hakan Falk]

Thank you Steve, I have not followed the US truck market, but it is logical 
what you say. Manufacturers of heavy trucks and buses in Asia and Europe 
are exclusively diesel and the have the dominant world market share. Some 
20 years ago, US had many gasoline trucks and Europe nearly no ones. I have 
not thought about it, I will change it. I think that US still have light 
trucks on gasoline, Europe not?

Hakan

At 09:49 PM 10/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>just as a comment, I know of few heavy trucks and buses in North America
>that are not diesel. diesels rule the truck market. even the small delivery
>trucks (iveco, gmc, isuzu) are all diesel. the big 3 (2?) all produce diesel
>trucks and suv's.
>
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>From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:47 PM
>Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving
>technology.
>
>
>
>Inspired by the speech of Kurt Liedtke, I expanded a bit and wrote the
>following evaluation,
>
>http://diesel.energysavingnow.com
>
>You are welcome to read and comment.
>
>Hakan
>
>
>Diesel engine, as a "ready to use" energy saving technology.
>In todays world it is obvious that we have to do an inventory of
>technologies that will produce both short and long term relief in the
>current use of energy. We have to evaluate the technologies that we have
>and prioritize efficiently. It is enormous gains to be done in "ready to
>use" technologies and it will also enhance our possibilities to build the
>"new technologies". First some background facts and statistics,
>
>áIn Western Europe 40% of the cars are diesels and it is expected that this
>will grow to 50% or more by 2010.
>
>áIn North America less than 1% of the cars are diesels and leave North
>America with a tremendous window of opportunity. Not only to make large
>savings, but also to major improvements of pollution levels.
>
>áIn Western Europe diesels are used in almost all heavy trucks and Buses,
>in North America not.
>
>áThe fuel consumption per mileage for a diesel is around 30%-40% less than
>for a gasoline.
>
>áThe total fuel cost per mileage for a diesel is around 40% to 60% lower
>than a gasoline, since diesel is cheaper.
>
>áThe green house gases for diesel are directly related to consumption and
>30%-40% less than gasoline.
>
>áThe average life span for a diesel engine is 2 to 4 times more mileage
>than gasoline.
>
>áThe second hand value for the car is related to life span and is higher
>for diesel.
>
>áEurope have already roughly the same new car price for diesel and gasoline.
>
>áDiesel have better prospect for use with cheaper and competitive bio fuels.
>
>áWith bio fuels the green house gases and cancerous particle emissions will
>be reduced to possible minimums and with efficient filtering represent a
>possible near 0 alternative.
>
>Model from Department of Energy (DOE) show that if diesel is 40% of new car
>sales in North America by 2010, you will experience the following,
>
>áThe savings would be 110 million barrels of oil per year.
>
>áReduced oil transport and its risks, with close to one super tanker a day.
>
>áA saving of $9 billion per year.
>
>áDecrease of green house gases with 500 million metric ton per year. More
>than enough for North America to meet the Kyoto agreement.
>
>Why did North America not implement use of diesels like Europe did?
>I do not think that it was a diabolic decision by the Big Oil or nothing
>like that. It was probably the usual "not invented here" reason, combined
>with the waiting periods for patents to run its courses. Maybe it had a
>little bit to do with that North America also at that time was nearly the
>only oil game in town. Diesel presented his engine around 100 years ago and
>guess what, it ran on vegetable oil, a threat to the only oil nation at the
>time. I do not belive in sophisticated conspiracy theories, the world at
>this time thought that we had an infinite reserve of fossil oil. I do think
>that the European larger use of diesel engines have something to do with
>the wish for less dependence on oil, after all they have felt this
>dependence for more than a century now and the diesel engine was an
>European invention.
>
>áPrice difference in North America is only around 7.5% in favor for diesel,
>against typically 20% in Europe. The reason for this is the higher fuel
>taxes in Europe and the subsequent need to protect the commercial transport
>sector and influence of prices on goods.
>
>áThe agriculture sector almost exclusively used diesel in Europe, tax
>exemption of diesel for this sector was effective and strengthened by the
>use of diesel use over time.
>
>áThe same can be said for the commercial air and sea transport.
>
>áOne of the most important sector has been the heating fuel that also could
>be tax exempted by