Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost
The o ring problem was in the boosters. they are dropped on launch. this vehicle was returning. there is some evidence that heat tiles broke off on launch which may have damaged a seam near the landing gear. That would explain the loss of air pressure in the tires right before loss of contact. time will tell. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost We'll see what happens. My post was clear that the causes may be hard to pin down, and that a weather-relation to any series of events could be also hard to pin down. My recollection of the Challenger investigation is that it looked into weather aspects affecting O-Ring expansion or contraction. Also, the weather is always a factor as regards various aspects of launch-pad decision-making. In this case, if ice, or something else, did break off a tank and fall down and impact and damage some part of the shuttle during liftoff, as has been surmised and-or videotaped, that doesn't necessarily make it weather-related (some ice-formation concerns being more based on the temperature of the fuel) but anyway I'll be curious to follow the investigation. If they did know of possible damage upon liftoff, then I tentatively don't agree with their there's nothing we could have done attitude about their time in space. I have to wonder if a second shuttle could have been readied and sent up as an emergency measure, such as to take them down. Feynman's autobiographical annecdotal books are favorites of mine, and his account of being on the Challenger commission was interesting. *Lots* of resistance to unbiased investigation there. Lastly, I am in the camp of people who think the import has been somewhat exaggerated. It's happened before, and it is going to happen again, many many more times. We can reduce loss of life by changing our attitude, but Space is dangerous and we are not as on top of it as we'd like to think. Even with a change of attitude and policies, we're still going to lose some people. Not much weather above 6 ft. Shuttle was in unpowered glide mode. I wonder if there are any weather-related lessons that can come from the two shuttle crashes (Jan. 28, 1986(?)) and now February 1, 2003). I think maybe with the first crash there were some on-the-launch-pad waiting issues that occurred in fueling, but I don't know. Ultimately, I don't mean to imply the causes were easy to pin down, just that I wonder how the time-of-year might affect any existing weaknesses or accidents-waiting-to-happen in the design, if they were there. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] diesel furnace FS
FYI... Armstrong diesel furnace, made by Lennox, 85,000 btu, brand new, $575 obo. ÊTel: 780-476-9485 Edmonton. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen?
Big energy owns patents on producing Hydrogen and has the muscles/capacity. They are ready to move into the next killing field where they can master, again!! President Bush just promised us Hydrogen cars for the year 2015. You think it's coincidental that the White House and the big energy see something in common for the future, that we can not foresee? That we will be driven to drive Hydrogen cars and still paying these big energy companies their handsome reward in dominating the energy - Hydrogen supply? Why are we here talking about BioFuel and Air cars/Electric cars? Our future had been chartered by the big energy and politician. Don't you know that? They can dictate what kind of cars that we can drive and when, and all we can do is to buy from the menu for the limited choices we have! Maybe the lessons that we had learned from being slaves to gasoline, had finally paid off! So we are searching on our future cars, not following their plan. Do you think we will be punished for being naughty? If I got my hands on an aircar, takes some electricity to compress air. So what? The air is free and once release, it's still air. And put them back in, compress then release! Compress and release..Do it everyday and nobody can charge me for using the air. Nobody can limit the use of air and that is a good thing. The big energy company probably had not found a way to stop us from using Air as alternative ore renewable energy yet! And why the energy company spares BioFuel? Because it's expensive to produce Bio Fuels or ethanol? The big brother will try to control us again!! Forcing us to use this dirty gasoline and it's by-products, causing wars and ruining the earth! The entire human population is now chained to the gasoline pumps, no way to escape! But hope! God gives us hope! We can still get biodiesel, air or even Hydrogen cars. However beware of the Hydrogen supply market, unless they can control this supply or else they won't let go the gasoline. Which they have total control, what kinds of cars do we drive or how frequent that we have to visit gas stations. Do you not feel that we are all pre-programmed to buy a car and then go to gas pumps, TV commercials, car salesmen, auto shows! We people here probably have 'defects' in our programs, that is why we are seeking a different solution. Good luck! Watch your back! Don't let them get you! - Original Message - From: Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? Keith Addison wrote: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14959 Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? Wrong tense. Big Energy has hijacked hydrogen. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Africa 'turns from leaded petrol' vs Air car factory in South Africa
Tricia Liu wrote: Air car in South Africa, check out this link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm This link was first posted to the list on 25 October 2000, the day following the story's dateline. There was a lot of discussion of it then. Here's the link to the website (also previously posted): http://www.e.volution.co.za/ The Air Car is coming - its taking longer than we hoped - but its coming ! Don't we just keep hearing this? Just around the corner, it only needs a few more million/billion... The Air Car has been discussed a lot here in the past, maybe you should check out the archives and see what it says, there are about 150 messages on it there. Best Keith Addison Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: diesel furnace FS
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI... Armstrong diesel furnace, made by Lennox, 85,000 btu, brand new, $575 obo. ÊTel: 780-476-9485 Edmonton. $CN?? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen?
There would be hydrogen cars, if there was a cheap, clean source of hydrogen. There is not. Hydrogen comes from fossil fuels, which keeps President Bush and his oil buddies in the drivers seat, while making the ignorant believe they have been saved. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tricia Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? Big energy owns patents on producing Hydrogen and has the muscles/capacity. They are ready to move into the next killing field where they can master, again!! President Bush just promised us Hydrogen cars for the year 2015. You think it's coincidental that the White House and the big energy see something in common for the future, that we can not foresee? That we will be driven to drive Hydrogen cars and still paying these big energy companies their handsome reward in dominating the energy - Hydrogen supply? Why are we here talking about BioFuel and Air cars/Electric cars? Our future had been chartered by the big energy and politician. Don't you know that? They can dictate what kind of cars that we can drive and when, and all we can do is to buy from the menu for the limited choices we have! Maybe the lessons that we had learned from being slaves to gasoline, had finally paid off! So we are searching on our future cars, not following their plan. Do you think we will be punished for being naughty? If I got my hands on an aircar, takes some electricity to compress air. So what? The air is free and once release, it's still air. And put them back in, compress then release! Compress and release..Do it everyday and nobody can charge me for using the air. Nobody can limit the use of air and that is a good thing. The big energy company probably had not found a way to stop us from using Air as alternative ore renewable energy yet! And why the energy company spares BioFuel? Because it's expensive to produce Bio Fuels or ethanol? The big brother will try to control us again!! Forcing us to use this dirty gasoline and it's by-products, causing wars and ruining the earth! The entire human population is now chained to the gasoline pumps, no way to escape! But hope! God gives us hope! We can still get biodiesel, air or even Hydrogen cars. However beware of the Hydrogen supply market, unless they can control this supply or else they won't let go the gasoline. Which they have total control, what kinds of cars do we drive or how frequent that we have to visit gas stations. Do you not feel that we are all pre-programmed to buy a car and then go to gas pumps, TV commercials, car salesmen, auto shows! We people here probably have 'defects' in our programs, that is why we are seeking a different solution. Good luck! Watch your back! Don't let them get you! - Original Message - From: Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? Keith Addison wrote: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14959 Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? Wrong tense. Big Energy has hijacked hydrogen. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles
Don't confuse the believers with science ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles Tricia Liu wrote: Suggested Retail $14,000(Euro 9500), runs 60MPH, range 120 miles. Charge at station $3 per charge and takes 3 minutes(If we had these infra-structure available) Charge at home with a small electric air compressor takes 4 hours, take 20 KWH of electricity. S.C.Edison is charging 13 cents per KWH, then the cost to charge at home will be $2.60 And spending $2.60 and I can run 120 miles??? This must be a dream? I'm finding the above hard to believe but what a dream. Listed above this air car is able to travel 120 miles or about 240 miles on the eqivelent of one US gallon of diesel fuel. 20 kW = 68,240 Btu Diesel fuel is about 135,000 BTU/US gallon __ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost
I don't think so, it takes aprox 3-4 months for turn around, and it's my understanding that the other shuttles are still under evaluation for cracks in the fuel lines. I don't think that shuttles were ever ment to dock with each other, and they only have a limited number of seats ( 7 ). The limited number of seats alone would have been a problem. Greg H. - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 22:10 Subject: [biofuel] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost I have to wonder if a second shuttle could have been readied and sent up as an emergency measure, such as to take them down. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]palm source
Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] speaking of the air car, some lingering questions about Mexico City's clean air problems
Thx, I had lost track of the air car because I also am skeptical of the business-status of it. Do you happen to know what ever became of the movement to get the air car to Mexico City? So long as I'm at it, I think Mexico City continues to remain a sort of clean-air-problem-in-wait-of-a-high-profile-solution. If-when we brainstormers and the companies we follow could come up with a solution, I think they really seem to need one or more. But I haven't seen any news coverage of this at all, and, yes, I know, they're in a country which seriously needs its oil revenues. But the clean air thin-air problems they have there are so daunting that I don't think many conservative anti-environmentalists could really claim that it's not a real challenge. Better technology and planning might really help them, even if much of the rest of the country must remain dependent on the Oil paradigm. I keep wondering if some of the EVs that California supposedly doesn't need to keep (EV1s, Thinks, EV+s), that the car companies are taking back off lease and destroying, could be shipped to Mexico City to help out. Then again, they'd have to be reconditioned at considerable expense per vehicle, an act that the car companies would doubtless get more argumentation capital out of than any engineering coup or success. This is not to suggest a myopic focus on any one solution (nothing wrong with trying biofuels, more public transportation, slower 2 wheelers where appropriate, etc.) Aside: a friend was recently traveling in Mexico (on the Baja Peninsula) and paid $4-$6 per gallon in some isolated areas. This link is a couple of years old and the factory is still not up and running. There are a few air cars being tested in France as part of one of the EV demonstration projects and Spain has shown a lot of interest. It looks quite likely that the first factory will actually be in Spain where they claim that they have about 16,000 orders already. The move from development to comercial production is the hardest thing about building any vehicle so I will get excited about the air car when I see it on sale and find out how it actaully performs in the real world. It is a very interesting concept though. Noel evfinder.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]palm source
If you can't find the info online, there is a wonderful by Josh Tickel called From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank which has charts with this data. --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel]palm source Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]palm source
And on that note, I sent off some email a while back for some Jatropha seeds and have still not received any information back from Reinhard. I am kinda miffed cause he was a poster quite often here and on biofuels-biz. Anyone know of a seed source? James Slayden On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Crabb, David wrote: Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost
If they had determined in space that the Shuttle was not safe to return to earth the move would have been to send them to the Intl. Space Station where they could have docked and just sat it out until we could send a different shuttle to get most of them and if there were still two left up there in the Intl. Space Station they could be brought back in one of the Russian ships as they have three seats and can be flown by one person. They may also have been able to stay until the second shuttle arrival if that was determined to be the better solution. Keeping in mind that if the Columbia had been determined to be unsafe in space we may not have felt that it was required to ground the fleet until we have clear answers as to what the cause is and we would know the problem and cause from the information that was developed to determine that they should not try the reentry in it. Best regards, Vern I don't think so, it takes aprox 3-4 months for turn around, and it's my understanding that the other shuttles are still under evaluation for cracks in the fuel lines.Ê I don't think that shuttles were ever ment to dock with each other, and they only have a limited number of seats ( 7 ).Ê The limited number of seats alone would have been a problem. Greg H. - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 22:10 Subject: [biofuel] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost ÊÊ I have to wonder if a second shuttle could have been readied and sent up as an emergency measure, such as to take them down. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]palm source
If you can't find the info online, there is a wonderful by Josh Tickel called From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank which has charts with this data. --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ Vegetable oil yields http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Keith - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel]palm source Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]palm source
David- And the numbers in such tables can be widely disparate. For example, Euphorbia Lathyris, in Tickell (see http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/biodiesel.html ) is rated as the 2nd highest non-tree plant source of oil at 1119kg-oil/hectare, while at journeytoforever it is only rated at 440kg-oil/hectare (below pumpkinseed) and in fact 11% higher yield than rapeseed. Meanwhile, Oil Palm at 5000kg oil/hectare is rated in both places as the highest yielding tree. So for trees, the answer's clear: oil palm. For bushes, castor bean. For smaller plants, it's hard to tell---I contend it's euphorbia lathyris (gopher plant), but that may still be a matter of disputemeanwhile it grows better than anything else in our yard and nearly all year round here in Portland, Oregon---very wild, free and productiveI just don't know a cheap easy way to get oil from it safely (elements of the plant are considered toxic or cancerous). -Myles Twete, Portland -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:30 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel]palm source If you can't find the info online, there is a wonderful by Josh Tickel called From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank which has charts with this data. --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ Vegetable oil yields http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Keith - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel]palm source Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Land Rover diesel P/U - BC, Canada
Who wants it? BC, Canada... 60 LANDROVER 2.25L diesel, 88 pastel grn, PU cab, lockers frnt rear, twin tanks, batts, PTO winch, htd glass, D90 dr tops, tire carrier, 33 BFG mud TA's, high ratio transf case, rf rack email me off list if interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles
The following may interest you... Excerpt from: http://www.eru.uregina.ca/kybettbd/chem207/Chem%20207%20More%20efficient%20c ars.html Someone (A French racing car driver I believe) announced, at a conference in South Africa in 1999, that he had designed a car ( the MDI-TOP) that ran on pressurized air. Air tanks, like those used by scuba divers, were filled with air under pressure, using an electric pump. The car, as I remember, could then travel for up to 200 km and reasonable speeds and acceleration. It would, of course, emit no CO2 or NOx during use. Polluting gases would have been emitted to produce the electricity required to pump the air. I have no further information, would be pleased if someone can correct my rather vague recollections. Martin, a student in Chem. 207 (2001) has kindly given me a reference to a web site with lots of information about this car: http://globalstewards.org/aircar.htmThe news items on this web site say that Mexico City is going to build 40,000 of them for use as taxi's, starting in 2001. Plans are also underway to build them in the USA and Europe. However there are skeptics who say that they cannot be safe and will not have normal safety features in order to reduce weight (they are very small and lightly built). I think that we will have to wait and see what happens. The above web site says that the cars will use 300L of air at 300 bar ( 4500 psi, see Hydrogen Fuels for a comment of the safety aspects of high pressure gas in cars) My calculations show that this is 11,000 mol of air, which, if all of the energy can be used as it expands to 1 bar pressure, will give 164,000 kJ. This is equivalent to the energy from the combustion of 4L of gasoline( assuming 100% efficiency), or, allowing for the inefficiencies in both the air and gasoline engine, 8L of gasoline. The electricity used to pump the air into the storage tanks is 46 kWh, or, at say 80% efficiency for pumping, 57 kWh. This would cost about $5 at $0.09 cents per kWh, for a 200 km trip. A good compact gasoline engine car, at 4L per 100 km, would use 8L of gasoline, cost about $6. So there is no great savings in cost especially if one allows for the fact that the compact gasoline engine car is larger and safer. There would, of course, be a big saving in pollution in the cities and an overall saving if the air was pumped using a renewable source if energy rather than electricity from fossil fuel plants -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] $2.60 for recharging and the French aircar runs 120 miles Mexican government bought 40,000 French Air Taxi and going to be delivered in couple years. We will have to go to Mexico City to try out the Air Taxi. Suggested Retail $14,000(Euro 9500), runs 60MPH, range 120 miles. Charge at station $3 per charge and takes 3 minutes(If we had these infra-structure available) Charge at home with a small electric air compressor takes 4 hours, take 20 KWH of electricity. S.C.Edison is charging 13 cents per KWH, then the cost to charge at home will be $2.60 And spending $2.60 and I can run 120 miles??? This must be a dream? Anyone who knows the price of the small home use air compressor? The price for Air car already included an on-board 5.5KW compressor to compress air into the tanks! Happy to know there are about 50 companies want to buy franchises or manufacturing facilities. Hope more air cars will be available, personally I will like to take the Family 6 seater! Also will see how much they will tax for using AIR, if any! It's not 100% green, unless the energy to compress air comes from biomass/solar or wind. Power plant still using 70% or so fossil oil to generate power! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!???
Hakan, Curtis, and others who may have weighed in with similar opinions, First, let me apologize for a late response to this threadI was both lurking and busy with other matters. Hakan, you asserted that the Nazis had democratic support and that Fascist Germany and Italy held elections until the outbreak of war. But you offer no facts or evidence to support your view. In the November 1932 elections, the Nazi Party garnered 37% of the votes, give or take, and seats in the Reichstag, more than the combined total of the next two largest parties, the Social Democrats and the Communists. Hardly an absolute majority, but sufficient in the fragmented political scene of the Weimar Republic for Hitler was to be appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg. After coming to power, he swiftly dismantled all democratic organs of the state that could challenge his power. This is well documented (see below for a few references). It is much discussed, the degree to which Hitler had the support of the German people. Like Mussolini (and Roosevelt) he did get the country moving economically, and reinstilled a sense of national pride and purpose. Hitler promised a lot groups in Germany what they wanted. Hitler used the Jews and other sections of society as scapegoats, blaming all the problems on them. To many Germans at the time Hitler made sense, he united the bulk of the German populace by providing explanations for Germany's problems. But to say he did so democratically seems to me a gross bastardization of the notion of democracy. Hitler may not have forced himself on the German people, but he certainly forced himself on the German State, rapidly and radically transforming all governmental institutions to suit his will. Hitler quickly and brutally suppressed all opposition, through the use of the secret police and court system. The Reichstag passed the enabling act in March 1933 to give Hitler dictatorial power for 4 years. Is that democratic? The Nazis outlawed other political parties. Is that democratic? The Nazis were blatant and ruthless in their use of force to silence their critics. Hitler opened Dachau, the first concentration camp, also in March 1933, into which went communists, jews, criminals, and anyone else who opposed or defied the Nazi Party and its ideology. Is that democratic? Throughout the period of the Third Reich there was active, clandestine opposition to Hitler within Germany. Some books on this topic that may prove useful: M. Housden, Resistance and Conformity in the Third Reich, Routledge, 1997. D. Peukert, Inside Nazi Germany, Penguin, 1987. I. Kershaw, The Nazi Dictatorship. M. Burleigh M. Wippermann, The Racial State. There is also disagreement among historians as to just how much support Hitler had from German industrialists. It seems that they had a low opinion of him at the beginning, but came around after he crushed the trade unions and offered them lucrative military contracts. But industrialists certainly did not bring Hitler into power. Id like to seem some evidence to support your assertion that the corporations created Hitler. Also, I cant imagine where you got the notion that Germany fought in the Winter War against Finland. The Soviet Union and Germany had a non-aggression pact during that time, in which the Soviets recognized Germans right to all of Poland except the four Eastern provinces, and Germany Russias right to the Baltic States and parts of Finland (if Stalin could take them). But that is a far cry from Germany participating in the war against Finland. If you have some evidence to the contrary, Id love to see it. Hakan, I completely agree with you about the need to research real history, instead of repeating the popular propaganda. So show me some real history. Because I cannot think of a less democratic state than Nazi Germany. Best, Thor -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:17:39 +0100 From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Democracy I am sorry if you felt offended and did not realize that until now that you did not realize the fact that Nazi Germany was a democracy. I did not recognize that you did belong to the indoctrinated part who believe that Hitler more or less forced himself on the German people and not by the more or less ruling corporations in Germany. The Germans were victims of politics and propaganda, but it is also important to realize that this cannot succeed if they are aware of it and know it. Regarding Germany, I suggest that you read a little bit more about history. My mother studied in Germany 37-38 and the Germans was not fully aware of what was going on, but very supportive to the leaders. When she came back to Sweden, nobody believed what she was telling about the persecution of the Jews. She and my family was active in helping them who made it to Sweden during and after the war. As a child, I often heard the
Re: [biofuel] Land Rover diesel P/U - BC, Canada
How much? Does it run? At 02:35 PM 2/4/2003 -0800, you wrote: Who wants it? BC, Canada... 60 LANDROVER 2.25L diesel, 88 pastel grn, PU cab, lockers frnt rear, twin tanks, batts, PTO winch, htd glass, D90 dr tops, tire carrier, 33 BFG mud TA's, high ratio transf case, rf rack email me off list if interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost
Comments mixed in below. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:22 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Columbia Space Shuttle Lost If they had determined in space that the Shuttle was not safe to return to earth the move would have been to send them to the Intl. Space Station Not possible. The Columbia being the first ( and because it was the first ) was over built to a degree that it was significantly heavier than any of the fallowing shuttles. Being heavier, and because no shuttle is ever launched with more weight than needed for the mission, it did not ( at any time ) have the fuel to reach the Intl. Space Station that was in higher orbit. where they could have docked and just sat it out until we could send a different shuttle to get most of them and if there were still two left up there in the Intl. Space Station they could be brought back in one of the Russian ships as they have three seats and can be flown by one person. --- Then would you be leaving the crew of the Intl. Space Station in danger? There is one and only one escape ship at the Intl. Space Station. Each time a Russian capsule goes up, they take the one that was left there from the time before, back down to earth. They may also have been able to stay until the second shuttle arrival if that was determined to be the better solution. Keeping in mind that if the Columbia had been determined to be unsafe in space we may not have felt that it was required to ground the fleet until we have clear answers as to what the cause is and we would know the problem and cause from the information that was developed to determine that they should not try the reentry in it. -- That is fine, but, they had no way of knowing it wasn't safe, and no way to find out. Even if they did, I think that you are forgetting that there is only a limited supply of food, air, and water available (even the space station is low on water at this point), and the fastest the next shuttle could be ready is/was 2 months. Each shuttle goes through a 3-4 month refurbishment to make sure they are safe. If it was the foam from the external tank, that caused the problem, the rest of the shuttles would still be grounded until a solution could be found, tested, and new tanks made, they would not jeopardize a different shuttle with a tank that was covered with the old foam. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]palm source
Hi Myles David- And the numbers in such tables can be widely disparate. Naturally - the situation they're grown in, the growing methods, and much besides, are also widely disparate. We use rather low averages, I've said here a few times that any small-scale grower could almost certainly do very much better. For example, Euphorbia Lathyris, in Tickell (see http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/biodiesel.html ) is rated as the 2nd highest non-tree plant source of oil at 1119kg-oil/hectare, while at journeytoforever it is only rated at 440kg-oil/hectare (below pumpkinseed) and in fact 11% higher yield than rapeseed. Meanwhile, Oil Palm at 5000kg oil/hectare is rated in both places as the highest yielding tree. So for trees, the answer's clear: oil palm. For bushes, castor bean. For smaller plants, it's hard to tell---I contend it's euphorbia lathyris (gopher plant), but that may still be a matter of dispute I don't think it's very relevant anyway, yield is only one factor and often not the most important one, unless you're doing monocrops, the most expensive and troublesome way. More important is which crop fits the local requirements best. That is most likely to be several crops, integrated with the rest of the farming operations. Low input, high output. If you do it wrong you can use exactly the same crop(s) to achieve (?) high input low output. meanwhile it grows better than anything else in our yard and nearly all year round here in Portland, Oregon---very wild, free and productiveI just don't know a cheap easy way to get oil from it safely (elements of the plant are considered toxic or cancerous). http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Euphorbia_lathyris.html Euphorbia lathyris http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1990/V1-232.html#Euphorbia Arid-land Industrial Crops Try a search here: Plants For A Future http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/D_search.html Best Keith -Myles Twete, Portland -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:30 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel]palm source If you can't find the info online, there is a wonderful by Josh Tickel called From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank which has charts with this data. --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ Vegetable oil yields http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Keith - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel]palm source Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]palm source
And on that note, I sent off some email a while back for some Jatropha seeds and have still not received any information back from Reinhard. I am kinda miffed cause he was a poster quite often here and on biofuels-biz. Anyone know of a seed source? Try ECHO: http://www.echonet.org/ ECHO: Networking Global Hunger Solutions Best Keith James Slayden On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Crabb, David wrote: Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] (fwd) [ETList] Top Ten Myths about Ethanol
if ethanol causes canser the booze industry (which I have supported for 25 years) is screwed . and I guess so am I!! Robby murdoch wrote: Last one for now. From: http://www.ethanol.org/Information/Myths%20about%20Ethanol.htm Top Ten Myths about Ethanol (according to your friends at the MTBE industry, as listed on a pro-MTBE website) 1 - Ethanol is listed as a known human carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer. Ethanol Response: Ethanol has been found to cause liver cancer for heavy drinkers. Ethanol used in gasoline has not been found to pose any risk to human health. Quite the opposite is true for virtually every chemical in gasoline that ethanol replaces, including benzene and MTBE, which is listed as a possible human carcinogen. 2 - The cost of Reformulated Gasoline with ethanol will increase 3-6 cents per gallons compared to RFG with MTBE. Ethanol Response: It is doubtful that the cost of Reformulated Gasoline will increase with ethanol instead of MTBE. Any cost increase would be more than offset by what taxpayers will save in not having to clean up pollution caused by MTBE. 3 - Spills of pure ethanol or gasoline containing ethanol from leaking storage tanks can create a benzene plume up to 150% larger than a spill from a non-ethanol fuel. Ethanol Response: First off, how could a spill of pure ethanol create a benzene plume? That pretty much shows you how accurate their accusations are. Studies on benzene plums are incomplete and inconclusive. In addition, ethanol would reduce the chances of benzene getting into the ground and the groundwater because ethanol effectively reduces the amount of benzene in gasoline by diluting it to lower levels when ethanol is added to gasoline. 4 - Ethanol cannot be shipped by pipeline because of its high affinity for water posing significant distribution costs and hurdles for gasoline blenders. Ethanol Response: Ethanol has been shipped via pipeline. Technology is improving that will allow for greater distribution of ethanol via pipeline, including processes whereby the pipeline companies are able to remove the water and other contaminants from their pipelines, which will improve the quality of all fuels shipped via pipeline. Ethanol shipped via rail and barge from the Midwestern United States to places like California is still much more cost efficient then shipping oil, gasoline and MTBE from the Middle East. 5 - According to a study by Cornell University, for every gallon of ethanol produced, 1.4 gallons of energy is consumed in the process, compared to 0.15 gallons used in the manufacture of gasoline. Ethanol Response: The widely touted, and tragically flawed Cornell University Study has been discredited in numerous ways. For one, many of the assumptions made in the study have been shown to be inaccurate. For example, the study uses numbers that portray all the corn grown in the United States as having come from irrigated fields. In reality, only 15% of the corn grown in the United States is grown under irrigation. Secondly, many other credible studies show that there is much more energy in a gallon of ethanol than it takes to produce it, including a benchmark study by the United States Department of Agriculture. Copies of those studies can be found at the American Coalition for Ethanol website (www.ethanol.org). 6 - It takes 1.5 gallons of ethanol to drive as many miles as one gallon of gasoline. Ethanol Response: This is a misleading statement since no one drives on pure ethanol. Most motorists will not notice any difference in mileage using the standard 10% ethanol blend. For trivia purposes, it takes only about 8 ozs. of MTBE to pollute an Olympic-size swimming pool and make the water virtually undrinkable. 7 - Every gallon of ethanol removes 53 cents from the Federal Highway Trust Fund because of a special tax break for producers. Ethanol Response: Congress has determined that it is good tax policy to tax ethanol blends less than straight gasoline. It is a reflection of the reduced costs of using ethanol compared to using gasoline and MTBE. No tax dollars are used to clean up pollution caused by ethanol, yet billions of dollars are used to clean up and deal with MTBE and gasoline pollution in the ground, the air and the water. In addition, there is no cost to taxpayers to militarily secure a supply of ethanol. Also, ethanol production and use, which is located in the United States, adds jobs and money to our economy by reducing the amount of oil and MTBE the United States needs to import and by creating markets for surplus farm products. 8 - Ethanol increases the vapor pressure of gasoline by 1 psi. resulting in higher evaporative emissions of Volatile Organic Compounds, while tailpipe emissions of Acetaldehyde increase 150%. Ethanol Response: This is another example of twisting the truth. All gasoline, whether it has ethanol in it or not, has to meet government standards with regards to
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!???
Dear Thor, I am familiar with this and more, but if you go through democratic systems, without direct or proportional representation, the wrong guy can come to power and this without representing the popular vote. US have such a system and the current president is an example on that. It is true that the Nazis and Hitler hijacked the democracy, I have never claimed anything else, The fact is however that he came to power trough democratic vote and in a democracy. Sharon in Israel have roughly the same popular base as Hitler had in the beginning. It is many other factors to consider in the German history. Among them the piece in Versailles who was enormously stupid and the major reason for creating an environment were such a sick person as Hitler could be seen as a salvation. He also became dictator by democratic means, as you rightfully pointed out. Why Hitler got his powers was because of the terrorist acts that history show was engineered by the Nazis themselves. I think that it was an early version of Homeland defence. Yes, the industrialists saw Hitler as a fairly dumb puppet. That made them underestimate him and they thought that he would deliver, which he also partly did. It is good that you clarified the history a bit and it is a lot more to it. Please read what you wrote a couple of times and draw some parallels with things that happens in some of todays democracies. You will see the picture also and understand why I am worried. I am not saying that it will develop along the same lines, only that it is similarities. If you read what I am saying, you have to agree that Hitler came into power in a democracy. He got his power by democratic means and in a crisis situation, which could be extended by the war situation that the country was in. Yes, it was German resistance and I have even met some of them when I was young in the 50's. Friends of my mother, from the time 1936 to 1937, when she studied in Munich. It was a much larger resistance to Hitler among intellectuals and students than todays history implies. Historic judgements and evaluations can always be made and balanced ones starts to be accepted not until around 100 years after the events. It is difficult to judge before that. I have a mother in law who, during the Spanish civil war, refused to dance with the commander of the socialist forces (not Franco, but the good guys according my Swedish history). The day after, her 16 year old brother was arrested and executed, without any reasons or political involvement. Hakan At 04:52 PM 2/4/2003 -0800, you wrote: Hakan, Curtis, and others who may have weighed in with similar opinions, First, let me apologize for a late response to this thread÷I was both lurking and busy with other matters. Hakan, you asserted that the Naziâs had democratic support and that Fascist Germany and Italy held elections until the outbreak of war. But you offer no facts or evidence to support your view. In the November 1932 elections, the Nazi Party garnered 37% of the votes, give or take, and seats in the Reichstag, more than the combined total of the next two largest parties, the Social Democrats and the Communists. Hardly an absolute majority, but sufficient in the fragmented political scene of the Weimar Republic for Hitler was to be appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg. After coming to power, he swiftly dismantled all democratic organs of the state that could challenge his power. This is well documented (see below for a few references). It is much discussed, the degree to which Hitler had the support of the German people. Like Mussolini (and Roosevelt) he did get the country moving economically, and reinstilled a sense of national pride and purpose. Hitler promised a lot groups in Germany what they wanted. Hitler used the Jews and other sections of society as scapegoats, blaming all the problems on them. To many Germans at the time Hitler made sense, he united the bulk of the German populace by providing explanations for Germany's problems. But to say he did so ãdemocraticallyä seems to me a gross bastardization of the notion of democracy. Hitler may not have ãforced himself on the German people,ä but he certainly forced himself on the German State, rapidly and radically transforming all governmental institutions to suit his will. Hitler quickly and brutally suppressed all opposition, through the use of the secret police and court system. The Reichstag passed the enabling act in March 1933 to give Hitler dictatorial power for 4 years. Is that democratic? The Nazis outlawed other political parties. Is that democratic? The Naziâs were blatant and ruthless in their use of force to silence their critics. Hitler opened Dachau, the first concentration camp, also in March 1933, into which went communists, jews, criminals, and anyone else who opposed or defied the Nazi Party and its ideology. Is that democratic? Throughout the period of the Third Reich there was active, clandestine opposition
Re: [biofuel]palm source
I found this web site http://www.miles2go.com/suc2.htm --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And on that note, I sent off some email a while back for some Jatropha seeds and have still not received any information back from Reinhard. I am kinda miffed cause he was a poster quite often here and on biofuels-biz. Anyone know of a seed source? James Slayden On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Crabb, David wrote: Does anyone know what species produces the most oil? how about maturity times? thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!???
Thor, I wanted to take the winter war separately, see below. At 04:52 PM 2/4/2003 -0800, you wrote: snip Also, I can't imagine where you got the notion that Germany fought in the Winter War against Finland. The Soviet Union and Germany had a non-aggression pact during that time, in which the Soviets recognized German's right to all of Poland except the four Eastern provinces, and Germany Russia's right to the Baltic States and parts of Finland (if Stalin could take them). But that is a far cry from Germany participating in the war against Finland. If you have some evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it. Both of my parents was in the Swedish voluntary forces in Finland and I guess that I have a tendency to belive what they told me. If you come by my place some time, I can show you a video made from my fathers 8 mm films during his service as physician in the Winter War. One sequence show a shot down Nazi fighter plane, I guess that this could serve well as proof. My mother was serving as nurse in Rovanemi during the Winter War. Hitler provided air support for Stalin during the winter war, as he did for Franco in the Spanish civil war. The Nazis participated on the Finnish side in the continuation war and the they fought against Stalin. Maybe you want some proof of that too. My father was there too, but my mother stayed home in Sweden because I was born in May 1941. snip Best, Thor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Introduction and some questions - Newbie
Hi, I am a gearhead first and foremost. A friend of mine has a VW Jetta diesel (TDI) and he introduced me to Biodiesel. I do not currently own a diesel vehicle but I am looking to convert my Toyota LandCruiser to diesel, plus I want to look at the potential of using a biofuel for heating oil. I found the idea of using WVO very attractive. It seems to me from what I am reading (please correct me if I am wrong) that the key for producing biodiesel is having an effective continuous process right? I have looked at all kinds of websites that talk about having developed some kind of continuous process, but I have not found any real info. Any suggestions? The only really interesting info that I found was at http://www.biodieselgear.com/documentation/ where there is document (Methanol Super Critical Transesterification Method) where it is dicussed that under the right circumstances you can produce biodiesel without acid or base, and in 4 minutes. This type of process seems to be more inline with the requirements of a continuous process. The drawback is the required pressure of 35 MPa (~5600 psi) and temperature of 350C. At first it looked like this was out of reach of a garage project, but maybe with some careful planning... Has anyone looked at the pressures produced by direct injection fuel pumps? The Dodge/Cummins direct injection pump puts out 24000 psi... Hmmm By the way I live in the Boston area and would love to look at how Biodiesel is actually produced. Anyone live close by that has a running setup for processing biodiesel that would be willing to share/show how biodiesel is actualy produced.. Thanks, -Rui = - Rui Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston - USA - __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany wasDemocratic!???
Please read what you wrote a couple of times and draw some parallels with things that happens in some of todays democracies. You will see the picture also and understand why I am worried. I am not saying that it will develop along the same lines, only that it is similarities. I did just that Haken. You and Thor make some interesting points. Over here in the USA Homeland I've been reading from the *Veterans for Common Sense* www.veteransforcommonsense.org who have been posting some interesting thoughts about current events and commentaries listed below each article submitted. There's been several interesting articles and one that caught my attention is called -- US Reaps Grim Harvest of Chem/Bio Sales to Iraq Anne Summers Sydney Morning Herald www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122258580.html Febrary 3, 2003 http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/article.asp?id=334 Ultimately, the West is a source of any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq's hands. A lot of people are asking how President George Bush and his Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, are so certain, given the inconclusive nature of the UN weapons inspectors' findings, that Iraq possess weapons of mass destruction. Here's how ... It's not related to Nazis or biofuel but what appears to be the peculiarities within US democracy. __ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
