[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [Biodiesel] Re: Biodiesel Blending Regulation trouble!!!!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:09:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] Re: Biodiesel Blending Regulation trouble Gracias. It would seem somewhat obvious that Section 4147, Subsection 2 is either an oversight or a patent attempt to reduce the volume of biodiesel being added in blends for commercial redistribution. The latter would be rather ignorant for California, in light of its continuing inability to reign in its air pollution problem and the minor matter that the majority of emissions reduction gains are achieved by blends in the 50% - 75% range. After that the curve begins to flatten and the gains are less and less, making it rather wasteful from a biggest bang for the buck perspective. So the question has to be is it the profits of fossil fuel interests that are at the top of the list? The concern for consumers who's autos might develop some form of malady as a result of using biodiesel? (Must be that San Francisco winter chill...) Or is it just a matter of these people being that brain dead? One thing that it doesn't or prevent is for a consumer to pull up to the biodiesel pump and fill the tank 50% and then move over to the petro-diesel tank and finish filling the tank. It's possible that this is nothing more than a lawyer's convoluted way to prevent liabiility claims against distributors. If attornies had their way everything on the face of the planet would be legislated into non-existance in order to preclude some obscure possibility in some unforeseeable future. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: k5farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: Biodiesel Blending Regulation trouble --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William, Would you be so kind as to post the language so that the severity of it's adoption can be determined by any and/or all? Todd Swearingen TS, hope you don't mind if I jump in here: http://www.biodiesel.org/100903/Article_5Language.htm 4147. Specifications - Biodiesel Blending Stock and Biodiesel Fuel Blends. Biodiesel Blending Stock and Biodiesel Fuel Blends shall meet the following specifications: (1) Biodiesel blending stock shall meet the specifications set forth by ASTM International in the latest version of Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel (B100) Blend Stock for Distillate Fuels D 6751, contained in the ASTM publication entitled: Annual Book of ASTM Standards, Section 5, Volume 05:04. (2) Any finished biodiesel fuel blend shall meet the specifications set forth by ASTM International in the latest version of Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils D 975, contained in the ASTM publication entitled: Annual Book of ASTM Standards, Section 5, Volume 05:01. NOTE: Authority cited: Sections 12027 and 13450, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Sections 13401(j) and 13450, Business and Professions Code. 4148. Labeling and Price Advertising Sign Requirements for Biodiesel. (a)Fuel that is being represented as biodiesel fuel shall have the words Biodiesel fuel (BXX), where XX represents the volume percent biodiesel in the fuel, used to describe the name of the product as required in Section 13480 and 13532 of the Business and Professions Code. (b) Every Biodiesel fuel dispenser dispensing blends greater than 5 volume percent (B5) of Biodiesel shall display on each customer side, as required by Section 13484 of the Business and Professions Code, a sign clearly visible which reads as follows: CAUTION: THIS FUEL MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR USE IN ALL DIESEL ENGINE VEHICLES. ITS USE MAY VOID YOUR WARRANTY, CHECK WITH YOUR ENGINE MANUFACTURER BEFORE USING. NOTE: Authority cited: Sections 12027 and 13450, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Sections 13480, 13484 and 13532, Business and Professions Code. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP.FAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Fwd: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:11:27 - Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy It's interesting what the NBB has decided to focus on- the aspect that 'blends' might be made to look bad on the proposed label. In the case of the consumers, people on our local California email list, burnveggies (www.goblin.punk/net/mailman/listinfo/burnveggies, the labeling discussion is from this month's messages if you get into the archives to look) , are primarily concerned about the fact that this proposal makes B100 look bad. We also noted that it's favoring blends in some ways (or this was my impression anyway), which of course goes along with the fact that 1. the proposal is sponsored by a few oil companies (including one who sells biodiesel, western states oil) and that 2. the federal excise tax excemption benefits vendors who sell B20 or less (because a gallon off biodiesel nets a $1 a gallon subsidy if divided 5 ways and sold as B20, and only $.20 cents a gallon subsidy if sold as B100 or anything in between B20 and B100). I could be remembering wrong but I think there were not any engine manufacturers on the sponsors list- the language is geared to providing the impressino that the use of over-B-20-blends could cause vehicle damage and void your warrantly (not quite true, the warranty part!). It seems to me that it's in the interest of some potential biodiesel vendors to promote a market for lower blends in order to sell the subsidy (gee, where has this sort of thing happened before.. the tax credit era of solar brought consumers somne fly-by-night companies and some bad business practices by those trying to cash in on subsidies, which led to problems in the industry that persisted a long time after the profiteers were gone) But regardless of conspiracy theories, , the fact that they're insisting that since biodiesel doesn;'t meet the diesel specifications, is a REALLY huge issue. They reference ASTM 975 - which is the diesel spec and is completely irrelevant to biodiesel. Biodiesel has it's own, fully adopted specification- ASTM D-6751 Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charles Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:37:06 -0600 http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/?lk=1741951-1741951-0-10 047-FzFzGnE80n64RYJOHKZLgKurTC5FTl/DCalifornia Blending Labeling A new regulation restricting the sale of biodiesel blends and requiring a warning label at the pump has been introduced in California. You're not in California? Your state may be one of over 30 that is linked to California regulations. Your purchases almost certainly will be affected by the National Conference of Weights and Measures, which is looking at the proposed rules as a model. The language would require biodiesel blends to meet fuel specifications for petrodiesel. If adopted, this requirement could disallow the sale of biodiesel blends such as B20. Additionally, the proposed pump warning label is negative and unnecessary. The Division of Measurement Standards has stated that it needs as many people to comment as possible. Quantity, not quality, counts here. Here is a link for a summary, sample letter and exact language of the proposed regulation. http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/http://biodiesel.grassr oots.com/ca_blending/ The deadline for submitting comments is Tuesday, October 14th. Comments can be submitted electronically to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Or via fax at: 916/229-3026. Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. Charles Hatcher Regulatory Director National Biodiesel Board 573.635.3893 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP.FAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] what's with the image makeover? Re: Fwd: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
Hey! what the hell is this 'biodiesel.grassroots.com' stuff coming from the NBB, which is anything BUT grassroots? mark Great, isn't it? You might recall their definition of small-scale operators was those with total annual sales of less than $50 million. This is from one of the earlier messages from Graham Noyes of World Energy, over the soy subsidies issue: I did think that this issue would be of interest to biodiesel enthusiasts and thought it appropriate to try to rally the growing number of grassroots biodiesel supporters. Co-opt, in other words, as it's several times turned out. There was also this message from an ex-President of the NBB, relayed to me privately: When dealing with the biofuels industry it is very important to always speak of fuels that have been certified to meet the specifications as set by testing and standards organizations, e.g., ASTM, or that is warrantied by engine manufacturers. Proponents of make-it-yourself fuel are not looked upon as serious because there is no way to ensure consistent fuel quality. Of course, these groups can be very helpful when approaching government to demonstrate community-wide support. We can be useful, very patronising. In fact this person was talking nonsense on several counts - there was only a provisional standard at the time, it was not warrantied by engine manufacturers, and homebrewers can and do make standard-spec fuel. Anyway, Graham Noyes eventually changed his views of homebrewers and promised to try to do something about the industry attitude - which was not only patronising, but also given to spreading disinfo about us, The Perils of the Homebrew for instance, and that sub-spec homebrew fuel had caused widespread problems that industry had had to clean up, which later turned out to be without basis in fact. (And as you know homebrewers have since had to clean up after industry distributed sub-spec fuel!) Graham said this: I truly appreciate the great effort of Thor and many others in providing sound suggestions on how to improve the relationship between small producers, the NBB and the commercial side of the industry. I have been funneling these to individuals in the industry and NBB whom I think are most receptive to new ideas and to change. I can't and don't speak for the industry but from my personal perspective, I believe that some valid criticisms have been levied and excellent improvements proposed. I think this biodiesel.grassroots.com newsletter might be one of the results of Graham's efforts to educate industry about homebrewers. I receive it, never having asked for it, I don't know who else receives it. I guess that makes me a grass root - it's certainly true that our total annual sales (?) are less than $50 million. :-/ Frankly, I don't see any change. They apparently still see us as very helpful when approaching government to demonstrate community-wide support, just as Graham did at first over the subsidies issue - they still want to co-opt us, and probably they'd still like to control us. The other myth is that we'll destroy the biodiesel market: The big fear of the biodiesel industry is that homebrewers are going to destroy the market. I have seen home-brewed biodiesel cause problems in multiple locations and it has taken significant efforts to undo the damage. One region of the country in particular had large quantities of homegrown off-spec fuel that was being sold and distributed. The use of biodiesel was substantially delayed in this area until trust for the fuel was re-established. The biodiesel industry has gone to major efforts and expenditure to make progress with the engine manufacturers and to establish the ASTM standard. Frankly, I don't know what percentage of homegrown fuel is in spec but I do read about a lot of goo being produced. Everytime off spec fuel causes a problem, it causes a problem for everyone. That was Graham's original statement, which he subsequently withdrew, after being put under considerable pressure to substantiate it, and couldn't. He then admitted he knew of no instance of homebrew causing problems. I think there's a good chance that industry (with some or many exceptions) still believes this BS. Graham Noyes earned our respect by showing himself capable of coming off it, of changing his tune when he learnt better. Other industry people might not be so capable of that. It's ironic that it's industry that's been found distributing sub-spec fuel and causing problems, and that, judging from this current case in California, it's not us who're destroying the market it's politics and vested interests - which industry, with the megabucks it spends on PR and lobbying, should perhaps have seen coming and been able to prevent. Regards Keith http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/?lk=1741951-1741951-0-10 047-FzFzGnE80n64RYJOHKZLgKurTC5FTl/DCalifornia Blending Labeling 026. Thank you in advance for your time
[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
This seems important. The one thing I need is the one thing I don't see. Forgive me if I have missed this. When I go to the link, I see the form to file a letter with the appropriate party. What I don't see is the explanation on the web for why folks should want to fill out that form.. It is explained reasonably well in these emails that are getting passed around (such as we find in the summary of the situation below), but I don't seem to have a quick handy-dandy link that I can pass along to a variety of people, that would bring up this explanation. Then, from the explanation, they could be linked to the complaint form. MM On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:06 +0900, you wrote: From: Charles Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:37:06 -0600 http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/?lk=1741951-1741951-0-10 047-FzFzGnE80n64RYJOHKZLgKurTC5FTl/DCalifornia Blending Labeling A new regulation restricting the sale of biodiesel blends and requiring a warning label at the pump has been introduced in California. You're not in California? Your state may be one of over 30 that is linked to California regulations. Your purchases almost certainly will be affected by the National Conference of Weights and Measures, which is looking at the proposed rules as a model. The language would require biodiesel blends to meet fuel specifications for petrodiesel. If adopted, this requirement could disallow the sale of biodiesel blends such as B20. Additionally, the proposed pump warning label is negative and unnecessary. The Division of Measurement Standards has stated that it needs as many people to comment as possible. Quantity, not quality, counts here. Here is a link for a summary, sample letter and exact language of the proposed regulation. http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/http://biodiesel.grassr oots.com/ca_blending/ The deadline for submitting comments is Tuesday, October 14th. Comments can be submitted electronically to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Or via fax at: 916/229-3026. Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. Charles Hatcher Regulatory Director National Biodiesel Board 573.635.3893 800.841.5849 www.biodiesel.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP.FAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Fwd: re: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
Crosspost from Mark on the Burnveggies list. [Burnveggies] Pick your poison (was: girl Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT) the interesting thing is that this labeling is coming right at the time when we just got a curse in disguise- the 20 cents per gallon federal tax reduciton for biodiesel. Let me explain: -There is very, very little money to be made making and selling biodiesel (something like .08 cents profit for a large producer, according to Superior Process Technologies, a broker of biodiesel plants) -the federal excise tax reduction works like this:the 24 cent tax comes down one cent for each one percent of biodiesel in a blend, UP TO B20, then no more reduction for higher blends. Note that this does not, say spread out the 20 cent reduction over a large ratio- like 20 cents reduction for B100 and 10 cents recution for B50 or anything like that. -if you are in the business and make or broker or otherwise handle a gallon of biodiesel and sell it to the general public as B100, you are effectively getting a 20 cent subsidy. - If you handle the same gallon of biodiesel and divide it five ways and sell it to the copnsumer as B20, you are effectively getting a $1.00 subsidy on that original gallon -subsidies can make or break the profitability of an agricultural product like biodiesel. Question: if you are in the business (and aren't Yokayo or Biofuel Station in Laytonvile or Biofuel Oasis), tell me, would you encourage the sales of B100 or of B20? I am getting this info straight from the industry by the way, not making this up (I'm practically quoting from the Biodiesel business management course at ISU for instance). The industry considers the tax credit to be a $1 a gallon subsidy, period. At no point in the calculations does the B100 market come into the picture for large producers. [there are also other reasons why the industry considers B20 it's best strategy- it's got to do with possible percentage of market penetration, which is directly connected to pricing and size of certain markets (fleets versus passenger cars being different markets for instance).] California is a little bizarre in the amount of demand for B100 for passenger cars of course. Changing the labeling (Western states oil is one of the sponsors of the labeling change, no?) to discourage B100 use, plays interestingly into the picture here. Conspiuracy theory or not, this is some of the little-known economics of biodiesel sales which I think we consumers need to be much more aware of. The flip sidde is also that as I've said many times, there is also the issue that small brokers can do a much better job of educating consumers (and mechanics/car dealers, as is already done by several activists in this area) so that the scenario of someone plugging their fuel filter and suing the gas station doesn't happen and the general public's level of education around biodiesel usage is raised. Now, I don't think that AGP or WestCentral or Imperial Western are going to bow to wacko california B100 consumer demands ands start promoting B100 sales- the economics are such that they will continue to favor B20 or B02 and ignore passenger car drivers because we're too small of a market. But these and other economics are a compelling reason, rock-solid reason why we need to support local producers, local, B100-centered brokers and fuel sources if possible rather than gas stations (ie Oasis or Biofuel Station or delivery Yokayo-style or coop bulk buying). there's just no way that one of the large producers or the large-scale petroleum distributors can EVER do a good job of proividing good service to consumers, especially on the 'user education' level. With other alternative fuels, that education is also usually done by kit manufacturers or vehicle sales people rather than fuel sellers. Biodiesel is a little different due to it's 'put it into any vehicle and go!' potential. education and looking at individual users' circumstances is 'outside the box thinking' for petroleum fuel sales people, however- to spend time educating their consumers on a new fuel and it's potentially different effects on their vehicle isn't something the industry is set up for- yet if we have local brokers/sellers/producers we are in a much better situation to have the public served this way. mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: re: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
Mark: Thanks for your heads-up article on taxation of B100 vs. B20. I would like to read any and regulations dealing with the subject and any other commentaries. Could you give me URLS which address the issue you raised? Thanks, Jim Millelr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crosspost from Mark on the Burnveggies list. [Burnveggies] Pick your poison (was: girl Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT) the interesting thing is that this labeling is coming right at the time when we just got a curse in disguise- the 20 cents per gallon federal tax reduciton for biodiesel. Let me explain: -There is very, very little money to be made making and selling biodiesel (something like .08 cents profit for a large producer, according to Superior Process Technologies, a broker of biodiesel plants) -the federal excise tax reduction works like this:the 24 cent tax comes down one cent for each one percent of biodiesel in a blend, UP TO B20, then no more reduction for higher blends. Note that this does not, say spread out the 20 cent reduction over a large ratio- like 20 cents reduction for B100 and 10 cents recution for B50 or anything like that. -if you are in the business and make or broker or otherwise handle a gallon of biodiesel and sell it to the general public as B100, you are effectively getting a 20 cent subsidy. - If you handle the same gallon of biodiesel and divide it five ways and sell it to the copnsumer as B20, you are effectively getting a $1.00 subsidy on that original gallon -subsidies can make or break the profitability of an agricultural product like biodiesel. Question: if you are in the business (and aren't Yokayo or Biofuel Station in Laytonvile or Biofuel Oasis), tell me, would you encourage the sales of B100 or of B20? I am getting this info straight from the industry by the way, not making this up (I'm practically quoting from the Biodiesel business management course at ISU for instance). The industry considers the tax credit to be a $1 a gallon subsidy, period. At no point in the calculations does the B100 market come into the picture for large producers. [there are also other reasons why the industry considers B20 it's best strategy- it's got to do with possible percentage of market penetration, which is directly connected to pricing and size of certain markets (fleets versus passenger cars being different markets for instance).] California is a little bizarre in the amount of demand for B100 for passenger cars of course. Changing the labeling (Western states oil is one of the sponsors of the labeling change, no?) to discourage B100 use, plays interestingly into the picture here. Conspiuracy theory or not, this is some of the little-known economics of biodiesel sales which I think we consumers need to be much more aware of. The flip sidde is also that as I've said many times, there is also the issue that small brokers can do a much better job of educating consumers (and mechanics/car dealers, as is already done by several activists in this area) so that the scenario of someone plugging their fuel filter and suing the gas station doesn't happen and the general public's level of education around biodiesel usage is raised. Now, I don't think that AGP or WestCentral or Imperial Western are going to bow to wacko california B100 consumer demands ands start promoting B100 sales- the economics are such that they will continue to favor B20 or B02 and ignore passenger car drivers because we're too small of a market. But these and other economics are a compelling reason, rock-solid reason why we need to support local producers, local, B100-centered brokers and fuel sources if possible rather than gas stations (ie Oasis or Biofuel Station or delivery Yokayo-style or coop bulk buying). there's just no way that one of the large producers or the large-scale petroleum distributors can EVER do a good job of proividing good service to consumers, especially on the 'user education' level. With other alternative fuels, that education is also usually done by kit manufacturers or vehicle sales people rather than fuel sellers. Biodiesel is a little different due to it's 'put it into any vehicle and go!' potential. education and looking at individual users' circumstances is 'outside the box thinking' for petroleum fuel sales people, however- to spend time educating their consumers on a new fuel and it's potentially different effects on their vehicle isn't something the industry is set up for- yet if we have local brokers/sellers/producers we are in a much better situation to have the public served this way. mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
[biofuels-biz] High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031010/1735000788_2.html Dow Jones Business News High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry -GAO Friday October 10, 5:35 pm ET By Spencer Jakab, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--A study released today by the General Accounting Office highlights the dramatic impact that high natural gas prices have had on the U.S. fertilizer industry and the agricultural sector that relies on it. ADVERTISEMENT High gas prices during 2000-2001 led to a 25% reduction in domestic fertilizer capacity as production of nitrogen based products became overly costly, the study said. It also led to a 43% increase in imports of nitrogen-based fertilizer and a 7% reduction in usage through a combination of crop selection and cutbacks. The GAO study cites fertilizer industry officials in saying that high gas prices threaten to irreversibly cripple the industry. Citing more recent data, Kathy Mathers of the Fertilizer Institute, an industry trade body, said that 40% of domestic capacity has been shut despite a four-year high in prices of diammonium phosphate, the most commonly used fertilizer. Ninety percent of the input cost of ammonia is natural gas. The boost in natural gas prices has put tremendous pressure on this industry, Mathers said. Unlike crude oil, global differences in natural gas prices can't be arbitraged away, because the commodity is so difficult to transport. Thus, many producers elsewhere in the world now enjoy much lower input costs than U.S. fertilizer plants. The ability to compete in world markets is not sustainable at this level, says Kevin Swift of the American Chemistry Council (News - Websites) , referring to the broader petrochemical industry. The co-chairmen of a congressional committee that commissioned the GAO report, Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., and Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif., highlighted the study as lending support to plans to ease restrictions on natural gas drilling in the U.S. in the energy bill currently under debate. This GAO study provides another example of how high natural gas prices have dealt a tremendous blow to our economy, Tauzin said. The energy bill currently in conference will go a long way toward easing burdensome restrictions on exploration and development of these vital natural gas reserves. The GAO report itself doesn't make recommendations on how or whether to increase incentives for domestic natural gas drilling. -By Spencer Jakab, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-4377; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] evworld article on Diesel Engine Vehicles at Bibendum
http://www.evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=580 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Who really gives a rat's backside?
And so a new theology thread begins? The comment was largely rhetorical and indicative of how difficult it is to comprehend how so many humans tend to think that they have been bestowed with greatness and deserve something more than the space that they consume. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Who really gives a rat's backside? Appal Energy wrote: Humans. God love 'em. Sometimes, Todd, I think he's the only one who can! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP.FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Re: [Biodiesel] Re: Biodiesel Blending Regulation trouble!!!!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:09:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] Re: Biodiesel Blending Regulation trouble Gracias. It would seem somewhat obvious that Section 4147, Subsection 2 is either an oversight or a patent attempt to reduce the volume of biodiesel being added in blends for commercial redistribution. The latter would be rather ignorant for California, in light of its continuing inability to reign in its air pollution problem and the minor matter that the majority of emissions reduction gains are achieved by blends in the 50% - 75% range. After that the curve begins to flatten and the gains are less and less, making it rather wasteful from a biggest bang for the buck perspective. So the question has to be is it the profits of fossil fuel interests that are at the top of the list? The concern for consumers who's autos might develop some form of malady as a result of using biodiesel? (Must be that San Francisco winter chill...) Or is it just a matter of these people being that brain dead? One thing that it doesn't or prevent is for a consumer to pull up to the biodiesel pump and fill the tank 50% and then move over to the petro-diesel tank and finish filling the tank. It's possible that this is nothing more than a lawyer's convoluted way to prevent liabiility claims against distributors. If attornies had their way everything on the face of the planet would be legislated into non-existance in order to preclude some obscure possibility in some unforeseeable future. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: k5farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: Biodiesel Blending Regulation trouble --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William, Would you be so kind as to post the language so that the severity of it's adoption can be determined by any and/or all? Todd Swearingen TS, hope you don't mind if I jump in here: http://www.biodiesel.org/100903/Article_5Language.htm 4147. Specifications - Biodiesel Blending Stock and Biodiesel Fuel Blends. Biodiesel Blending Stock and Biodiesel Fuel Blends shall meet the following specifications: (1) Biodiesel blending stock shall meet the specifications set forth by ASTM International in the latest version of Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel (B100) Blend Stock for Distillate Fuels D 6751, contained in the ASTM publication entitled: Annual Book of ASTM Standards, Section 5, Volume 05:04. (2) Any finished biodiesel fuel blend shall meet the specifications set forth by ASTM International in the latest version of Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils D 975, contained in the ASTM publication entitled: Annual Book of ASTM Standards, Section 5, Volume 05:01. NOTE: Authority cited: Sections 12027 and 13450, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Sections 13401(j) and 13450, Business and Professions Code. 4148. Labeling and Price Advertising Sign Requirements for Biodiesel. (a)Fuel that is being represented as biodiesel fuel shall have the words Biodiesel fuel (BXX), where XX represents the volume percent biodiesel in the fuel, used to describe the name of the product as required in Section 13480 and 13532 of the Business and Professions Code. (b) Every Biodiesel fuel dispenser dispensing blends greater than 5 volume percent (B5) of Biodiesel shall display on each customer side, as required by Section 13484 of the Business and Professions Code, a sign clearly visible which reads as follows: CAUTION: THIS FUEL MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR USE IN ALL DIESEL ENGINE VEHICLES. ITS USE MAY VOID YOUR WARRANTY, CHECK WITH YOUR ENGINE MANUFACTURER BEFORE USING. NOTE: Authority cited: Sections 12027 and 13450, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Sections 13480, 13484 and 13532, Business and Professions Code. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP.FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what's with the image makeover? Re: Fwd: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
Hey! what the hell is this 'biodiesel.grassroots.com' stuff coming from the NBB, which is anything BUT grassroots? mark Great, isn't it? You might recall their definition of small-scale operators was those with total annual sales of less than $50 million. This is from one of the earlier messages from Graham Noyes of World Energy, over the soy subsidies issue: I did think that this issue would be of interest to biodiesel enthusiasts and thought it appropriate to try to rally the growing number of grassroots biodiesel supporters. Co-opt, in other words, as it's several times turned out. There was also this message from an ex-President of the NBB, relayed to me privately: When dealing with the biofuels industry it is very important to always speak of fuels that have been certified to meet the specifications as set by testing and standards organizations, e.g., ASTM, or that is warrantied by engine manufacturers. Proponents of make-it-yourself fuel are not looked upon as serious because there is no way to ensure consistent fuel quality. Of course, these groups can be very helpful when approaching government to demonstrate community-wide support. We can be useful, very patronising. In fact this person was talking nonsense on several counts - there was only a provisional standard at the time, it was not warrantied by engine manufacturers, and homebrewers can and do make standard-spec fuel. Anyway, Graham Noyes eventually changed his views of homebrewers and promised to try to do something about the industry attitude - which was not only patronising, but also given to spreading disinfo about us, The Perils of the Homebrew for instance, and that sub-spec homebrew fuel had caused widespread problems that industry had had to clean up, which later turned out to be without basis in fact. (And as you know homebrewers have since had to clean up after industry distributed sub-spec fuel!) Graham said this: I truly appreciate the great effort of Thor and many others in providing sound suggestions on how to improve the relationship between small producers, the NBB and the commercial side of the industry. I have been funneling these to individuals in the industry and NBB whom I think are most receptive to new ideas and to change. I can't and don't speak for the industry but from my personal perspective, I believe that some valid criticisms have been levied and excellent improvements proposed. I think this biodiesel.grassroots.com newsletter might be one of the results of Graham's efforts to educate industry about homebrewers. I receive it, never having asked for it, I don't know who else receives it. I guess that makes me a grass root - it's certainly true that our total annual sales (?) are less than $50 million. :-/ Frankly, I don't see any change. They apparently still see us as very helpful when approaching government to demonstrate community-wide support, just as Graham did at first over the subsidies issue - they still want to co-opt us, and probably they'd still like to control us. The other myth is that we'll destroy the biodiesel market: The big fear of the biodiesel industry is that homebrewers are going to destroy the market. I have seen home-brewed biodiesel cause problems in multiple locations and it has taken significant efforts to undo the damage. One region of the country in particular had large quantities of homegrown off-spec fuel that was being sold and distributed. The use of biodiesel was substantially delayed in this area until trust for the fuel was re-established. The biodiesel industry has gone to major efforts and expenditure to make progress with the engine manufacturers and to establish the ASTM standard. Frankly, I don't know what percentage of homegrown fuel is in spec but I do read about a lot of goo being produced. Everytime off spec fuel causes a problem, it causes a problem for everyone. That was Graham's original statement, which he subsequently withdrew, after being put under considerable pressure to substantiate it, and couldn't. He then admitted he knew of no instance of homebrew causing problems. I think there's a good chance that industry (with some or many exceptions) still believes this BS. Graham Noyes earned our respect by showing himself capable of coming off it, of changing his tune when he learnt better. Other industry people might not be so capable of that. It's ironic that it's industry that's been found distributing sub-spec fuel and causing problems, and that, judging from this current case in California, it's not us who're destroying the market it's politics and vested interests - which industry, with the megabucks it spends on PR and lobbying, should perhaps have seen coming and been able to prevent. Regards Keith http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/?lk=1741951-1741951-0-10 047-FzFzGnE80n64RYJOHKZLgKurTC5FTl/DCalifornia Blending Labeling 026. Thank you in advance for your time
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
This seems important. The one thing I need is the one thing I don't see. Forgive me if I have missed this. When I go to the link, I see the form to file a letter with the appropriate party. What I don't see is the explanation on the web for why folks should want to fill out that form.. It is explained reasonably well in these emails that are getting passed around (such as we find in the summary of the situation below), but I don't seem to have a quick handy-dandy link that I can pass along to a variety of people, that would bring up this explanation. Then, from the explanation, they could be linked to the complaint form. MM On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:15:06 +0900, you wrote: From: Charles Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:37:06 -0600 http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/?lk=1741951-1741951-0-10 047-FzFzGnE80n64RYJOHKZLgKurTC5FTl/DCalifornia Blending Labeling A new regulation restricting the sale of biodiesel blends and requiring a warning label at the pump has been introduced in California. You're not in California? Your state may be one of over 30 that is linked to California regulations. Your purchases almost certainly will be affected by the National Conference of Weights and Measures, which is looking at the proposed rules as a model. The language would require biodiesel blends to meet fuel specifications for petrodiesel. If adopted, this requirement could disallow the sale of biodiesel blends such as B20. Additionally, the proposed pump warning label is negative and unnecessary. The Division of Measurement Standards has stated that it needs as many people to comment as possible. Quantity, not quality, counts here. Here is a link for a summary, sample letter and exact language of the proposed regulation. http://biodiesel.grassroots.com/ca_blending/http://biodiesel.grassr oots.com/ca_blending/ The deadline for submitting comments is Tuesday, October 14th. Comments can be submitted electronically to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Or via fax at: 916/229-3026. Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. Charles Hatcher Regulatory Director National Biodiesel Board 573.635.3893 800.841.5849 www.biodiesel.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP.FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: re: Sale of biodiesel blends in jeopardy
Crosspost from Mark on the Burnveggies list. [Burnveggies] Pick your poison (was: girl Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT) the interesting thing is that this labeling is coming right at the time when we just got a curse in disguise- the 20 cents per gallon federal tax reduciton for biodiesel. Let me explain: -There is very, very little money to be made making and selling biodiesel (something like .08 cents profit for a large producer, according to Superior Process Technologies, a broker of biodiesel plants) -the federal excise tax reduction works like this:the 24 cent tax comes down one cent for each one percent of biodiesel in a blend, UP TO B20, then no more reduction for higher blends. Note that this does not, say spread out the 20 cent reduction over a large ratio- like 20 cents reduction for B100 and 10 cents recution for B50 or anything like that. -if you are in the business and make or broker or otherwise handle a gallon of biodiesel and sell it to the general public as B100, you are effectively getting a 20 cent subsidy. - If you handle the same gallon of biodiesel and divide it five ways and sell it to the copnsumer as B20, you are effectively getting a $1.00 subsidy on that original gallon -subsidies can make or break the profitability of an agricultural product like biodiesel. Question: if you are in the business (and aren't Yokayo or Biofuel Station in Laytonvile or Biofuel Oasis), tell me, would you encourage the sales of B100 or of B20? I am getting this info straight from the industry by the way, not making this up (I'm practically quoting from the Biodiesel business management course at ISU for instance). The industry considers the tax credit to be a $1 a gallon subsidy, period. At no point in the calculations does the B100 market come into the picture for large producers. [there are also other reasons why the industry considers B20 it's best strategy- it's got to do with possible percentage of market penetration, which is directly connected to pricing and size of certain markets (fleets versus passenger cars being different markets for instance).] California is a little bizarre in the amount of demand for B100 for passenger cars of course. Changing the labeling (Western states oil is one of the sponsors of the labeling change, no?) to discourage B100 use, plays interestingly into the picture here. Conspiuracy theory or not, this is some of the little-known economics of biodiesel sales which I think we consumers need to be much more aware of. The flip sidde is also that as I've said many times, there is also the issue that small brokers can do a much better job of educating consumers (and mechanics/car dealers, as is already done by several activists in this area) so that the scenario of someone plugging their fuel filter and suing the gas station doesn't happen and the general public's level of education around biodiesel usage is raised. Now, I don't think that AGP or WestCentral or Imperial Western are going to bow to wacko california B100 consumer demands ands start promoting B100 sales- the economics are such that they will continue to favor B20 or B02 and ignore passenger car drivers because we're too small of a market. But these and other economics are a compelling reason, rock-solid reason why we need to support local producers, local, B100-centered brokers and fuel sources if possible rather than gas stations (ie Oasis or Biofuel Station or delivery Yokayo-style or coop bulk buying). there's just no way that one of the large producers or the large-scale petroleum distributors can EVER do a good job of proividing good service to consumers, especially on the 'user education' level. With other alternative fuels, that education is also usually done by kit manufacturers or vehicle sales people rather than fuel sellers. Biodiesel is a little different due to it's 'put it into any vehicle and go!' potential. education and looking at individual users' circumstances is 'outside the box thinking' for petroleum fuel sales people, however- to spend time educating their consumers on a new fuel and it's potentially different effects on their vehicle isn't something the industry is set up for- yet if we have local brokers/sellers/producers we are in a much better situation to have the public served this way. mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo!
[biofuel] DESIGN OF AN IN-WHEEL MOTOR FOR A SOLAR-POWERED ELECTRIC VEHICLE
could be applied to non solar. The Halbach magnet array motor is interesting. http://www.tip.csiro.au/Machines/papers/iwscem/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Problem #1: How much does heat cost?
Steve, maybe you could mention on your webpage that your webhosting is provided by Martin Klingensmith, for free - 955,000 hits since May. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Steve Spence wrote: Calculating and Comparing the Cost of Heat We've all heard the adage You have to spend money to make money. The real trick lies in how you spend your money. Would you rather spend $100.00 for electrical energy or $100.00 for a cord of wood? Well, it depends on what you get for $100.00. If we limit our discussion to buying heat and assume a cord of wood costs $100.00, how much heat will a cord of wood produce and how much heat can we buy from the electric company for $100.00? http://webconx.green-trust.org/2003/heatcost.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] A good use for dino-fuels!
SIPHON ANYONE? A lobbyist, on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., comes to a dead halt in traffic and thinks to himself, Wow, this seems worse than usual. He notices a police officer walking between the lines of stopped cars, so he rolls down his window and asks, Officer, what's the hold-up? The officer replies, The President is depressed, so he stopped his motorcade and is threatening to douse himself in gasoline and set himself on fire. He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq, or the connection between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, or that his tax cuts will help anyone except his wealthy friends; the press called him on the lie about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger, and now Campbell Brown is threatening to sue him for a sexual innuendo he made at a recent press conference. So we're taking up a collection for him. The lobbyist asks, How much have you got so far? The officer replies, About 14 gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning. Frederick E. Finch Delivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP.FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
FW: [biofuel] A good use for dino-fuels!
I've got 10 gallons I'd be glad to send. john ware -Original Message- From: Frederick E. Finch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] A good use for dino-fuels! SIPHON ANYONE? A lobbyist, on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., comes to a dead halt in traffic and thinks to himself, Wow, this seems worse than usual. He notices a police officer walking between the lines of stopped cars, so he rolls down his window and asks, Officer, what's the hold-up? The officer replies, The President is depressed, so he stopped his motorcade and is threatening to douse himself in gasoline and set himself on fire. He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq, or the connection between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, or that his tax cuts will help anyone except his wealthy friends; the press called him on the lie about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger, and now Campbell Brown is threatening to sue him for a sexual innuendo he made at a recent press conference. So we're taking up a collection for him. The lobbyist asks, How much have you got so far? The officer replies, About 14 gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning. Frederick E. Finch Delivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Interesting Trading Day in Energy Futures
A real surge upward in the price of Oil, Nat Gas, Gasoline. http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/5/1/40885615.html Charts: http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart.php?cbase=COmarket=COcterm=B3 http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart.php?cbase=HOmarket=HOcterm=B3 http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart.php?cbase=NGmarket=NGcterm=B3 http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart.php?cbase=UGmarket=UGcterm=B3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP.FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A good use for dino-fuels!
Sorry, but that's a very miserable way to go. Wouldn't wish that type of demise on my worst enemy. However, shackling him to an old moldy dungeon wall and giving him nothing but a bread and water ration until he repented and promised to cloister himself in a Alpine monastery for the rest of his days would suit me fine. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ware, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel (E-mail) biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: FW: [biofuel] A good use for dino-fuels! I've got 10 gallons I'd be glad to send. john ware -Original Message- From: Frederick E. Finch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] A good use for dino-fuels! SIPHON ANYONE? A lobbyist, on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., comes to a dead halt in traffic and thinks to himself, Wow, this seems worse than usual. He notices a police officer walking between the lines of stopped cars, so he rolls down his window and asks, Officer, what's the hold-up? The officer replies, The President is depressed, so he stopped his motorcade and is threatening to douse himself in gasoline and set himself on fire. He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq, or the connection between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, or that his tax cuts will help anyone except his wealthy friends; the press called him on the lie about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger, and now Campbell Brown is threatening to sue him for a sexual innuendo he made at a recent press conference. So we're taking up a collection for him. The lobbyist asks, How much have you got so far? The officer replies, About 14 gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning. Frederick E. FinchDelivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP.FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031010/1735000788_2.html Dow Jones Business News High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry -GAO Friday October 10, 5:35 pm ET By Spencer Jakab, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--A study released today by the General Accounting Office highlights the dramatic impact that high natural gas prices have had on the U.S. fertilizer industry and the agricultural sector that relies on it. ADVERTISEMENT High gas prices during 2000-2001 led to a 25% reduction in domestic fertilizer capacity as production of nitrogen based products became overly costly, the study said. It also led to a 43% increase in imports of nitrogen-based fertilizer and a 7% reduction in usage through a combination of crop selection and cutbacks. The GAO study cites fertilizer industry officials in saying that high gas prices threaten to irreversibly cripple the industry. Citing more recent data, Kathy Mathers of the Fertilizer Institute, an industry trade body, said that 40% of domestic capacity has been shut despite a four-year high in prices of diammonium phosphate, the most commonly used fertilizer. Ninety percent of the input cost of ammonia is natural gas. The boost in natural gas prices has put tremendous pressure on this industry, Mathers said. Unlike crude oil, global differences in natural gas prices can't be arbitraged away, because the commodity is so difficult to transport. Thus, many producers elsewhere in the world now enjoy much lower input costs than U.S. fertilizer plants. The ability to compete in world markets is not sustainable at this level, says Kevin Swift of the American Chemistry Council (News - Websites) , referring to the broader petrochemical industry. The co-chairmen of a congressional committee that commissioned the GAO report, Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., and Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif., highlighted the study as lending support to plans to ease restrictions on natural gas drilling in the U.S. in the energy bill currently under debate. This GAO study provides another example of how high natural gas prices have dealt a tremendous blow to our economy, Tauzin said. The energy bill currently in conference will go a long way toward easing burdensome restrictions on exploration and development of these vital natural gas reserves. The GAO report itself doesn't make recommendations on how or whether to increase incentives for domestic natural gas drilling. -By Spencer Jakab, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-4377; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] evworld article on Diesel Engine Vehicles at Bibendum
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[biofuel] (fwd) How Many Miles To The Gallon -- Tune In and Find Out
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:10:33 -0700, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How Many Miles To The Gallon -- Tune In and Find OutI'd recommend we all watch this segment and, depending on what is said, take the opportunity to write to 60 Minutes with an EV perspective. If enough of us do so, we might get one on the air. Paul Dear Paul, This Sunday, October 12, Clean Car Campaign spokespeople John DeCicco of Environmental Defense and Michelle Robinson of Union of Concerned Scientists are scheduled to be on CBS's 60 Minutes in a segment entitled How Many Miles To The Gallon. For more specific information about the segment including viewing times, visit CBS online. The story juxtaposes the failure of the Administration and Congress to increase the mile-per-gallon standards for SUVs and other light trucks with the Administration's pronouncements for developing hydrogen cars that might help in the future. In the segment, John DeCicco will discuss the opportunities to re-engineer vehicles for higher efficiency, a practical, affordable step we could take now to reduce both oil dependence and greenhouse gases. Read Environmental Defense's new report, Putting the Brakes on U.S. Oil Demand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031010/1735000788_2.html Dow Jones Business News High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry -GAO Friday October 10, 5:35 pm ET By Spencer Jakab, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--A study released today by the General Accounting Office highlights the dramatic impact that high natural gas prices have had on the U.S. fertilizer industry and the agricultural sector that relies on it. ADVERTISEMENT High gas prices during 2000-2001 led to a 25% reduction in domestic fertilizer capacity as production of nitrogen based products became overly costly, the study said. It also led to a 43% increase in imports of nitrogen-based fertilizer and a 7% reduction in usage through a combination of crop selection and cutbacks. The GAO study cites fertilizer industry officials in saying that high gas prices threaten to irreversibly cripple the industry. Citing more recent data, Kathy Mathers of the Fertilizer Institute, an industry trade body, said that 40% of domestic capacity has been shut despite a four-year high in prices of diammonium phosphate, the most commonly used fertilizer. Ninety percent of the input cost of ammonia is natural gas. The boost in natural gas prices has put tremendous pressure on this industry, Mathers said. Unlike crude oil, global differences in natural gas prices can't be arbitraged away, because the commodity is so difficult to transport. Thus, many producers elsewhere in the world now enjoy much lower input costs than U.S. fertilizer plants. The ability to compete in world markets is not sustainable at this level, says Kevin Swift of the American Chemistry Council (News - Websites) , referring to the broader petrochemical industry. The co-chairmen of a congressional committee that commissioned the GAO report, Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., and Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif., highlighted the study as lending support to plans to ease restrictions on natural gas drilling in the U.S. in the energy bill currently under debate. This GAO study provides another example of how high natural gas prices have dealt a tremendous blow to our economy, Tauzin said. The energy bill currently in conference will go a long way toward easing burdensome restrictions on exploration and development of these vital natural gas reserves. The GAO report itself doesn't make recommendations on how or whether to increase incentives for domestic natural gas drilling. -By Spencer Jakab, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-4377; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well... try organics?!?!: Imagine... fertilizer that is safe enough to eat (not that we recommend doing so)! Yes, ground soybeans have been found to be an effective turf fertilizer. In 2000, Michigan State University began conducting research on the effectiveness of ground soybean fertilizer as compared with chemical fertilizers. Their studies suggest that soybeans perform equal to or better than chemical fertilizers when appropriate amounts are used. During the grinding process, soybeans are ground into particles of varying sizes. These different particle sizes act as the slow-release mechanism- the larger the particle, the longer it takes to break down- and provide a slow and steady feeding to the lawn. The obvious advantage to using the soybean fertilizer is that it is completely organic, therefore, it is harmless to people, pets and other plant material. The Grounds department is particularly interested in this product, especially for use in areas like Family Housing and the child care facilities where large numbers of curious children are present. Another benefit of using of using an organic fertilizer is that each time it is applied, the soil is improved or amended. One more advantage is that the fertilizer is produced locally from soybeans grown on Southeastern Michigan farmland. While the cost of soybean fertilizer is roughly three times the cost of standard chemical fertilizer, the department is able to offset the cost by applying two large applications instead of four smaller applications of chemical fertilizer. Since the soybeans are organic material, they will not burn the grass unlike chemical fertilizers. The labor savings in making two applications instead of four comes close to offsetting the cost increase in the fertilizer. Phosphorous has been a long time pollutant of the Great Lakes and has become more prevalent due to improper use of lawn fertilizers. Since most existing soils in Southeastern Michigan already have adequate phosphorous, there isn't a need to apply additional phosphorous. Ground soybean fertilizers do not contain phosphorous; thus, they do not contribute to this pollution problem. Of course, before applying any fertilizer, we recommend conducting a soil test to determine which additives should be applied. The Grounds Department has
