Re: [biofuel] re: First aid for house owners. final draft

[Hakan Falk]

Thanks Thor,

It is good that you liked it. Someone told me that the info on the site was 
good, but he would like to see some samples on what he could do. That way 
he could understand it better. That lead to the idea to get a selection 
that was easy and without major rebuilding.

Most paints are using titanium as binding and the innovator of low-e paints 
developed a method to use aluminium instead. It is not toxic and as far as 
I understand not worse than titanium. It needs special coloring except for 
a set of light colors that work well and the most common light colors for 
rooms are available. If you want something extra in color, the 
possibilities are less.

The aluminium flakes or sheeting are not toxic either, it is used for food 
wrapping and cooking. Aluminium as such oxide quite fast, compared with 
much other tings we use. In the sense it is combined with plastics it might 
be more of an issue. This it share with almost all building material. I 
agree that green building concept is important and belive that limiting 
energy use is probably the greenest you can do, next to that comes building 
type and material, which can cause reasons to consider trade offs. It is 
not much of a green building if a choice of material causes larger energy use.

A couple of days ago, I got the films we talked about once, moved to DVD. 
If you are interested I will make some excerpts for you and your father to 
download. Tell me off list.

Hakan


At 20:36 22/01/2004, you wrote:
>Hakan,
>
>Great work!  It looks quite comprehensive.  I have not
>yet read this all the way through, just skimmed it,
>but I do have one comment so far.
>
>I am in the process of designing my house rebuild, and
>so have spent a lot of time in the past year learning
>about green building.
>
>Although the article is about energy savings, I feel
>that these should be done in as environmentally
>friendly/safe a manner as possible.  For example, are
>the low-e paint, or the aluminum flakes non-toxic?
>Are they save to use and to dispose of?  If the low-e
>paint is not low-VOC paints as well, should it be
>used?
>
>It is difficult to cover all bases of green building,
>as it is such a vast and rapidly evolving field, but I
>am wary of a focus on one aspect that ignores others.
>As in anything, there are always trade-offs, but they
>should at least be explicit.  If the use of one
>material to reduce a specific environmental impact
>precludes the use of another material to mitigate a
>different impact, that is something the homeowner
>should take into consideration, imo.
>
>This is perhaps more a philosophical/holistic quibble
>than a criticism of your effort, which I greatly
>appreciate and admire.  But when thinking about
>sustainability it is always good to keep in mind the
>big picture.
>
>sincerely,
>
>thor skov
>
>
>
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:58:36 +0100
>From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: First aid for house owners. final draft
>
>
>
>I am ready with a final draft of "First aid for house
>owners". As many
>know, I strongly believe that alternative energy
>sources and energy
>conservation are two sides of the same coin. I would
>like comments and
>suggestions as usual and hope that it would be close
>to the subject
>this time.
>
>First aid for house owners.
>Final draft, Jan. 2004.
>http://www.energysavingnow.com/firstaid/
>
>Hakan



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[biofuel] re: First aid for house owners. final draft

[Thor Skov]

Hakan,

Great work!  It looks quite comprehensive.  I have not
yet read this all the way through, just skimmed it,
but I do have one comment so far.

I am in the process of designing my house rebuild, and
so have spent a lot of time in the past year learning
about green building.

Although the article is about energy savings, I feel
that these should be done in as environmentally
friendly/safe a manner as possible.  For example, are
the low-e paint, or the aluminum flakes non-toxic? 
Are they save to use and to dispose of?  If the low-e
paint is not low-VOC paints as well, should it be
used?

It is difficult to cover all bases of green building,
as it is such a vast and rapidly evolving field, but I
am wary of a focus on one aspect that ignores others. 
As in anything, there are always trade-offs, but they
should at least be explicit.  If the use of one
material to reduce a specific environmental impact
precludes the use of another material to mitigate a
different impact, that is something the homeowner
should take into consideration, imo.

This is perhaps more a philosophical/holistic quibble
than a criticism of your effort, which I greatly
appreciate and admire.  But when thinking about
sustainability it is always good to keep in mind the
big picture.

sincerely,

thor skov




Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:58:36 +0100
   From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: First aid for house owners. final draft



I am ready with a final draft of "First aid for house
owners". As many 
know, I strongly believe that alternative energy
sources and energy 
conservation are two sides of the same coin. I would
like comments and 
suggestions as usual and hope that it would be close
to the subject 
this time.

First aid for house owners.
Final draft, Jan. 2004.
http://www.energysavingnow.com/firstaid/

Hakan  


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[biofuel] Re: Free and Green

[the_maniacal_engineer]

A dish stirling solar system is similar. No exotic 
chemicals used in
the manufacture as compared to PV, No thermal pollution (the sun is
gonna shine anyway, so the same heat load has to go somewhere) They
can be air cooled, or at least coolant in a sealed loop. Also solar
thermal engine conversion efficiency is higher (not that any
efficiency but watts/$ matters anyway) BSR, a german company, has a
solar powered water pump with no PV and no tracking required. 

http://www.bsrsolar.com/core1-1.php3

and no bird kills


--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Actually wind has the least impact of any energy system.  If you take
> into account the environmental impact of the manufacture of the
> generating equipment, wind turbines use fewer chemicals, less water and
> more recyclable material in the construction.  Additionally, turbines
> create NO thermal pollution nor do they use water in the energy
> generation process.  When a wind turbine reaches the end of its
> productive lifespan, it can be cut up and removed and the steel recycled
> leaving only a 30' diameter concrete pad.  This can be abandoned, dug
> out and filled, or left in place and another turbine can be erected on
> the same site.  What happens to a solar array at the end of its life?
> Your caution is exactly why we keep using fossil fuels.  The only
> consequences of using wind would be less CO2, SO2 and carcinogens in the
> air.
> 




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Re: [biofuel] F-ing Bosch!

[Neoteric Biofuels Inc]

I think it is just the nature of large organizations in general, but to 
honour the dude at Bosch, maybe we should start

enviro-crackpots.com and then populate it with stories of things that 
are actually the antithesis of crackpotism...i.e. the many times the 
"crackpots" ended up being vindicated to date, with more instances to 
follow, surely.

E
On Thursday, January 22, 2004, at 10:51 AM, Alan Petrillo wrote:

> Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote:
>
>> Good to know. Thanks for correcting.
>
> No problem.
>
> This is really what I hate about dealing with international 
> conglomerates.
>
> Conglomerate: "Oh we didn't build that.  It was built by our 
> Subsidiary,
> and you'll have to contact them directly for support."
>
> Subsidiary: "Yes, we built it, but we built it for Conglomerate, and
> you'll have to contact them for support."
>
> Repeat ad nauseum.
>
> For some reason it just seems like most international conglomerates,
> like Bosch, seem to set up their corporate structures for maximum
> obfuscation.  It really makes one wonder what they're trying to hide.
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] Free and Green

[murdoch]

>>I disagree with the idea that the only anticipateable negative enviro
>>consequence of wind energy is bird kills.  I'd prefer to be more
>>cautious than that.  If you develop any of these technologies (solar,
>>wind, whatever) to the point of providing more than 20 or 30 % of
>>man's power needs, then I think you might see some climate or weather
>>change, or who-knows-what.  Best I think that we be careful.  Any
>>really huge development of such power projects could have an effect.
>
> 
>
>Actually wind has the least impact of any energy system.  If you take
>into account the environmental impact of the manufacture of the
>generating equipment, wind turbines use fewer chemicals, less water and
>more recyclable material in the construction.  Additionally, turbines
>create NO thermal pollution nor do they use water in the energy
>generation process.  When a wind turbine reaches the end of its
>productive lifespan, it can be cut up and removed and the steel recycled
>leaving only a 30' diameter concrete pad.  This can be abandoned, dug
>out and filled, or left in place and another turbine can be erected on
>the same site.  What happens to a solar array at the end of its life?
>Your caution is exactly why we keep using fossil fuels.  The only
>consequences of using wind would be less CO2, SO2 and carcinogens in the
>air.


On the issue of storage, you have side-stepped that such solutions are
part of the enviro-impact analysis of such power-generation schemes as
solar and wind.  Even if, as you propose, one does not engage in such
solutions as batteries and such, sticking with
ready-made-stored-energy until we're ready for such solutions as
biofuels, this also has its own enviro impact.

As best I can tell, wind is just about the cleanest alternative we
have, with very little downside.  Whether or not the downside is quite
as small as you suggest, I might somewhat disagree, or at least have
some open questions in my mind. 

But you've been pretty abrupt and dismissive of such questions,
indicating to me you're not much interested in what I have to say on
the matter, so even though in my view you've missed a point of some
value, that is probably the end of the discussion from my end.

>>I've been thinking that if we do develop a large desert solar plant or
>>plants in the American Southwest and-or some large wind harvesting,
>>that in a way it would be like Hoover Dam.  You have these vast
>>amounts of energy that have for Eons simply gone about their business
>>but which we would now "corral".  

[...]

>
>Comparing wind to hydroelectric is irrational.  

I think I made clear that the odd comparison I was trying to draw was
pretty much basic physics... one of trying to corral a previously
uncorralled force of nature that is relatively massive and has great
potential.  I stand by the comparison, sloppy as it may be.  You've
said nothing to dissuade.

I will add that indeed a nit-picked the article a bit, because
sometimes I use an article as a foil to launch into discussion of some
offbeat matters that have been on my mind.  And sometimes it's the
points with which we slightly disagree that can draw our eye for
discussion, when there are so many points with which we agree that we
might not even mention many or all of them.On the whole, this article
was, in my view, an important article, and timely, and one with which
I agreed very strongly.

MM

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Re: [biofuel] Re: F-ing Bosch!

[Alan Petrillo]

Go Hoff wrote:

> Is it the groups general census that Bosh is not consumer friendly - but
> worse that they seem to have the monopoly on the diesel/SVO/WVO pumps we
> need? So far I've got to agree.
> 
> I have written and telephoned, mailed and faxed all the Bosh leads I could
> find here (sweden) enquiring if there is or was a Bosh pump which could
> replace the Lucas CAV crap that my favorite vehicle is lumbered with.
> 
> I have been passed like the buck all over or just ignored to date and I am
> no wiser - zilch.
> 
> An old retired pump expert I met said 'yes, if there wasn't a specific then
> choose what you want and combine a few bits to get the combo you want, re do
> some fittings maybe' though he dos'nt have the bits or contacts anymore.
> 
> I'm wondering if there are other pump manufacturors or engineering ventures
> who might be keen to get in on a growing nisch market and make a pupose
> built bullet proof pump which would fit onto any number of face plates, a
> sort of universal pump with plates for different fits - I mean there must be
> more of us around now than eg. Ed Pink and Kieth Black base their businesses
> on (Top fuel Drag racing) and they're doing OK last I heard. Then there is
> OEM replacement market and...

 From what I understand, the Bosch pumps are close to what you're 
talking about.  The VE pumps, particularly, are in practically every 4 
cylinder diesel built in the last 20 years, right up the the advent of 
common rail injection systems.  All it really takes is minor changes to 
output fittings, drive systems, and mounts, and the VE pumps can be made 
to fit pretty much anything.  I've heard somebody say something about a 
"VM" pump, but I haven't been able to find anything on it.  There's also 
a VR pump, which is basically a VE with some electronic control involved.

The VE type pumps are usually used in 4 and 5 cylinder engines.  From 
what I've seen of GM products, they use a Stanadyne rotary pump similar 
to a Bosch VE, but set up for 8 cylinders.

Engines with more than 5 cylinders usually use inline pumps, because 
when you get a VE pump for more than 5 cylinders the main shaft has to 
oscillate too fast, and the pumps tend to wear out quickly.

Just look at the Stanadyne pumps in GM products.  From what I understand 
the general rule is that you'll replace the pump every 80,000 miles or 
so.  The Bosch PE inline pumps used on Cummins and Mercedes products 
will last practically forever, from what I understand.


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[biofuel] west texas wind+turbines

[MALONEKR]

The wind rarely stops blowing out here for very long.We now have some large 
turbine farms streching from near abilene west to iraan-rankin and other 
areas.We could put up a million of them out here without counting new 
mexico,arizona 
or california.They even make our small mountains more scenic to me![you can 
see plum into next week out here and there are areas where you may not even see 
a plane fly over for several days]I believe that Tesla found ways to store 
and transfer electricity that were deemed too usefull for "little people"by the 
dragon system[it will be a real beast soon]  Florida Power and Light put up 
most of west texas's wind turbines,i believe.


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Re: [biofuel] F-ing Bosch!

[Alan Petrillo]

Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote:

> Good to know. Thanks for correcting.

No problem.

This is really what I hate about dealing with international conglomerates.

Conglomerate: "Oh we didn't build that.  It was built by our Subsidiary, 
and you'll have to contact them directly for support."

Subsidiary: "Yes, we built it, but we built it for Conglomerate, and 
you'll have to contact them for support."

Repeat ad nauseum.

For some reason it just seems like most international conglomerates, 
like Bosch, seem to set up their corporate structures for maximum 
obfuscation.  It really makes one wonder what they're trying to hide.


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RE: [biofuel] Free and Green

[Bryan Brah]

MM wrote:

 

>The Electric Power Industry has had 100 years of what are, in effect,
>legalized monopolies put into place.  Thus, in order to "de-regulate"
>or at least examine how to define a more competitive marketplace in
>the power and energy industries, I think you have to take into account
>the sheer difficulty of changing the playing fields that involve
>100-year-old monopolies.



Besides being monopolistic, the coal and petroleum industries have been
receiving what amounts to federal subsidies for as long as they have
been in existence.  These subsidies have been in the form of land
grants, tax credits, protective tariffs, and direct purchases.  Wind
power on the other hand has become successful with minimal government
assistance.  While it is true that many wind projects would not have
been built without the associated tax breaks, if you were to strip away
the subsidies that fossil fuel receives even today, wind power would be
cheaper.  Even in the current disadvantaged position wind power is
nearly as cheap as "traditional" energy sources.


>I disagree with the idea that the only anticipateable negative enviro
>consequence of wind energy is bird kills.  I'd prefer to be more
>cautious than that.  If you develop any of these technologies (solar,
>wind, whatever) to the point of providing more than 20 or 30 % of
>man's power needs, then I think you might see some climate or weather
>change, or who-knows-what.  Best I think that we be careful.  Any
>really huge development of such power projects could have an effect.

 

Actually wind has the least impact of any energy system.  If you take
into account the environmental impact of the manufacture of the
generating equipment, wind turbines use fewer chemicals, less water and
more recyclable material in the construction.  Additionally, turbines
create NO thermal pollution nor do they use water in the energy
generation process.  When a wind turbine reaches the end of its
productive lifespan, it can be cut up and removed and the steel recycled
leaving only a 30' diameter concrete pad.  This can be abandoned, dug
out and filled, or left in place and another turbine can be erected on
the same site.  What happens to a solar array at the end of its life?
Your caution is exactly why we keep using fossil fuels.  The only
consequences of using wind would be less CO2, SO2 and carcinogens in the
air.

 

The biggest competitive advantage of wind is that once you pay for the
equipment there are few additional costs associated with energy
production (operations and maintenance, and repair).  So the price per
kwh of electricity can be guaranteed over the 20 year life of the
turbine.

 

>I've been thinking that if we do develop a large desert solar plant or
>plants in the American Southwest and-or some large wind harvesting,
>that in a way it would be like Hoover Dam.  You have these vast
>amounts of energy that have for Eons simply gone about their business
>but which we would now "corral".  

 

The DoE estimates that the wind resources of Texas and the Dakotas would
be more than enough to meet our current energy needs.  But the biggest
drawback to wind (and solar for that matter) is energy storage.  The
wind doesn't always blow, nor does the sun always shine.  The only
solution to this is to store the excess energy produced during low
consumption periods.  Currently renewables comprise only a small
fraction of total energy production, so any electricity generated is
dumped directly into the grid.  Once renewables become a major
percentage, there will be a risk of shortages when the wind stops
blowing, or on cloudy days.  I don't know the cost of a 1 Mw solar
array, but a similarly rated turbine costs around $1 M USD; a battery or
capacitor bank for storage would add significantly to that cost and
erode the competitive position the renewable has.  I feel that the best
solution would be to have just enough dispersed wind capacity to meet
our energy needs, and then use some form of on-demand power generation
to manage peak periods.  Initially this could be from traditional coal
fired plants, but these could eventually be replaced by biogas or
biofuel.



>And maybe, as with Hoover, there would be very significant enviro
>consequences that would have to be weighed not in order to dismiss
>the project out of hand, but just so we know what the enviro-tradeoff
>is going in.


Comparing wind to hydroelectric is irrational.  As we all know there are
so many environmental concerns associated with damming rivers.  Wind
turbines, on the other hand, kill a few birds.  Claiming that something
needs to be studied more is exactly the kind of bureaucratic foot
dragging that our "leaders" are so fond of.  Humans have been using the
wind as a power source since the first man put a sail on his boat.  The
solution to our world "energy crisis," has been blowing us in the face
for millennia.

 

-BRAH  

 

 

 



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[biofuel] Re: ending of biofuels-biz list

[Keith Addison]

Hi Darryl

>Sorry to be coming in a bit late.  Had a little trouble recovering from
>moving e- mail from one computer to another. (And apparently still 
>am - my first
>send was bounced by my ISP.)
>
>Keith, I understand your reasoning.  I am one who is subscribed to both
>lists, and have found that most of the postings on biofuels-biz of late
>have been a subset of those on biofuel.  Not that it is in any way my
>call, but I concur with your decision.  I hope it frees up some time for
>you for other pursuits.
>
>I may yet set up a small-scale operation.  My initial "business" interest
>in biofuels was a desire to interest some local government-operated fleets
>in using biodiesel.  No luck to date.  However, the archives (especially
>Martin's) will remain for my future use (and others who may be
>interested).
>
>However, the main reason for this post is to thank Keith for the effort he
>has put into maintaining the operation of the two lists to date, and I
>sincerely hope, the biofuel list into the future (and the JtF website).

Rest assured, no plans at all to close either of those, quite the 
opposite, especially with the JtF website, lots of expansion in the 
queue in all categories, we're hoping to give it more time soon.

>Given the demands on your time Keith, I don't know how you manage it.

:-) Did you ever see a plate-spinner at a circus?

>Thank you so very much.

Thankyou Darryl, much appreciated. But I should say again that you 
can work as hard as you like but it won't make any difference unless 
the people you're working with are fertile ground in the first place. 
That's definitely the case with the Biofuel list members, both 
present and past, and also with the Biofuels-biz membership in the 
past. But the situation has changed, I believe they'd be better off 
here now.

Best wishes

Keith

>Darryl McMahon


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[biofuel] Corporations Need Treatment, Documentary Argues

[Keith Addison]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0120-03.htm
Published on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 by the Inter Press Service
http://www.ips.org

Corporations Need Treatment, Documentary Argues

by Stephen Leahy

TORONTO - Corporations are not only the most powerful institutions in 
the world, they are also psychopathic, a new Canadian documentary on 
globalization elegantly argues.

While the corporation has the rights and responsibilities of "a legal 
person", its owners and shareholders are not liable for its actions. 
Moreover, the film explains, a corporation's directors are legally 
required to do what is best for the company, regardless of the harm 
created.

What kind of person would a corporation be? A clinical psychopath, 
answers the documentary, which is now playing in four Canadian 
theatres.

"Everything we do in the world is touched by corporations in some 
way," says 'The Corporation' writer Joel Bakan.

Six years ago he was researching a book on the subject and teamed up 
with documentary makers Mark Achbar and Jennifer Abbott, and then set 
out to drum up enough money to make the film and to do more than 40 
interviews.

"Corporations are the most dominant institutions on the planet today. 
We thought it was worth taking a close look at what that means," 
Bakan told IPS.

In law, today's corporations are treated like a person: they can buy 
and sell property, have the right to free expression and most other 
rights that individuals have.

This legal creativity came as a result of U.S. businesses using the 
Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution -- designed to protect 
blacks in the U.S. South after the Civil War -- to proclaim that 
corporations should be treated as "persons".

The filmmakers show four examples of corporations at work -- 
including garment sweatshops in Honduras and Indonesia -- to 
demonstrate that this "legal person" is inherently amoral, callous 
and deceitful.

The corporation, the film points out, ignores any social and legal 
standards to get its way, and does not suffer from guilt while 
mimicking the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism.

A person with those character traits would be categorized as a 
psychopath, based on diagnostic criteria from the World Health 
Organization (WHO), points out the film.

Unlike 'Bowling for Columbine' -- to which it has been compared -- 
'The Corporation' does not follow a shambling yet crusading 
interviewer (Michael Moore) into corporate head offices to ask tough 
questions.

Instead the filmmakers use simple but beautifully lit head and 
shoulder shots of its subjects against a black background. The 
interviewer is never seen or heard; the corporate chiefs, professors 
and activists speak directly to the viewer.

The technique is so compelling that not listening or turning away 
would seem impolite.

The interviews are interspersed with archival footage from many 
sources, including scenes from sweatshops and news conferences. It 
also includes some ironic and darkly humorous excerpts from corporate 
ad campaigns and training films from the 1940s and '50s.

But the film is not a rant. It gives ample time to corporate chief 
executive officers (CEOs) and representatives of right-wing 
organizations, like Canada's Fraser Institute.

Fraser's Michael Walker tells viewers that hungry people in the 
developing world are better off when a sweatshop pays them 10 cents 
an hour to make brand name goods that sell for hundreds of dollars.

And it is just good business sense that a corporation moves to seek 
out more hungry people when its workers demand higher wages and 
better working conditions, Walker argues.

Many others are less ruthless. Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, former chairman 
of Royal Dutch Shell, is honestly concerned about protecting the 
environment. Under his guidance, Shell adopted many green initiatives 
and a commitment to developing renewable energy.

At the same time, Ken Saro Wiwa and eight other activists were hung 
in Nigeria for protesting Shell Oil's pollution of the Niger Delta.

Social critic and linguist Noam Chomsky -- the subject of Achbar's 
1992 award-winning 'Manufacturing Consent' -- carefully points out 
that people who work for corporations, and even those who run them, 
are often very nice people.

The same could have been said about many slave owners, he observes. 
The institution -- not the people -- is the problem, Chomsky argues.

Eminent economist Milton Friedman sums up the role of the corporation 
succinctly: it creates jobs and wealth but is inherently incapable of 
dealing with the social consequences of its actions.

'The Corporation' documents a bewildering array of these consequences 
-- including the deaths of citizens who protest corporate ownership 
of their water in Cochabamba, Bolivia -- that demonstrate the extent 
and power of today's corporations.

It looks at the often-cozy relationships between corporations and 
fascist regimes, such as that of IBM and Nazi leader Adolph 

[biofuel] Use of castoroil for biofuel

[A P Purohit]

There are several type of oils available in our region based on 
polyhydroxyesters of faty acids. Is there any known method of using such oils 
with very high viscocity for biofuel? Will it require to midify our normal 
diesel pupm to use such biofuel?
Thanks
Abhijit Purohit


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[biofuel] Dimensioning and use of AC/heat pump units

[Hakan Falk]

I wrote a small piece about,

Dimensioning and use of AC/heat pump units.
http://energysavingnow.com/hvac/acunits.shtml

This was done as a part of,

First aid for house owners.
Final draft, Jan. 2004.
http://www.energysavingnow.com/firstaid/
 


but have a value on its own, for anyone who want to buy a new AC unit. I 
welcome any comments.

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Re: [biofuel] Free and Green

[murdoch]

This is a heck of an article.  Some comments below.


>With no time to spare, advocates of green energy might want to steal 
>a page from the Republicans' "free market" playbook. GOP politicians 
>and their bloviating brethren at right-wing think tanks love to 
>declare their support for level playing fields and "unfettered 
>competition," especially when attacking government regulations. But 
>they conveniently overlook the huge federal subsidies that prop up 
>King CONG. 

:-)  ... as I've been saying 

>And they miss the crucial fact that, with one important 
>caveat, renewable energy - particularly wind energy -- is at the 
>brink of blowing away its CONG competition in pure market terms.

There's an additional point that the author could have made here, but
didn't, and I haven't seen it made anywhere else either.  With respect
to calling CONG's bluff on free-market philosophy: 

The Electric Power Industry has had 100 years of what are, in effect,
legalized monopolies put into place.  Thus, in order to "de-regulate"
or at least examine how to define a more competitive marketplace in
the power and energy industries, I think you have to take into account
the sheer difficulty of changing the playing fields that involve
100-year-old monopolies.

Now, I think it's a challenging and difficult part of political
philosophy to try to figure out what seem like intractable questions
as to how to define a proper role for a "utility" in a city or
municipality, where it is or was inherently hard to provide for
competition in certain areas like water or power delivery.

With 100 years or so of protected monopolies, I think it's to be
expected that there will be HUGE problems of supposedly
"de-regulating" an industry.  In some cases, I'm not sure it's
inappropriate to have a "monopoly" in place (if it is a "monopoly").  

In other cases, I think it's foolhardy to not take into account that
an attempt to establish competition and a level playing field merely
amounts to "throwing open the gates of competition", when one of the
competitors has had not only 100 years of protected time to build its
business, but when they will utilize everything including the very
*supposed* concepts of free-market-whatevering to protect their
competitive edge even when it's not based on real competition.

>waste. And, while nuclear generators have long been taxed to pay for 
>the construction of a nuclear waste repository, Congress has been 
>unwilling to tap deeply into that tax revenue to fund the 
>construction of a disposal site at Yucca Mountain, Nevada. Nearly two 
>thirds of the money allocated for the project last year came from 
>taxpayers, not the nuclear industry.

I didn't know that.  I know that some people will chortle, but I like
Vegas, and I hope that Yucca doesn't somehow ruin it.  At present, I'd
not move near to Yucca.  I'd move to Vegas (about 90 miles away?), but
going forward, I hope that Yucca doesn't pose an environmental hazard
to what is a very unique American city.

>
>By comparison, new satellite mapping techniques have shown that wind 
>resources in the U.S. are far greater and more widespread than 
>originally believed. The Great Plains region between the Mississippi 
>and the Rockies -- the "Saudi Arabia of Wind" -- could generate three 
>times as much electricity as the US consumes. In 2001, $900 million 
>worth of wind turbines were installed in Texas alone. Along the Great 
>Lakes, big new "slow speed" turbines like Bowling Green's are already 
>profitably turning wind into electricity.

I disagree with the idea that the only anticipateable negative enviro
consequence of wind energy is bird kills.  I'd prefer to be more
cautious than that.  If you develop any of these technologies (solar,
wind, whatever) to the point of providing more than 20 or 30 % of
man's power needs, then I think you might see some climate or weather
change, or who-knows-what.  Best I think that we be careful.  Any
really huge development of such power projects could have an effect.

I've been thinking that if we do develop a large desert solar plant or
plants in the American Southwest and-or some large wind harvesting,
that in a way it would be like Hoover Dam.  You have these vast
amounts of energy that have for Eons simply gone about their business
but which we would now "corral".  

Maybe, as with Hoover and other dams, it would not provide for all of
our needs, but I think pretty soon you'd get to the point where it
would be hard to imagine how we had at one time dismissed out-of-hand
the idea of at least trying to harness some of that energy.  

And maybe, as with Hoover, there would be very significant enviro
consequences that would have to be weighed not in order to dismiss
the project out of hand, but just so we know what the enviro-tradeoff
is going in.

MM


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Re: [biofuel] Need epoxy coated(food grade) steel drum for Bio-D processor??

[doug]

Phosphoric acid: very dilute, can use hot water. Put 
about 4 litres (1 US gal) 
& roll around until clean. Wash with soapy water after.

regards Doug

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:57 am, Maud Essen wrote:
> Speaking of rusty drums, I have scavenged several and they seem to be
> slightly pre-rusted on the interior. I know I don't want to put iron
> oxide into my fuel system. Is there an effective way to remove this
> rust or render it inert so I can still use the drums?
>
> Maud
> St. Louis, Missouri
>
> >Biodiesel and WVO do not corrode bare steel. However, WVO may have a large
> >percentage of water that will settle to the bottom of the drum, and
> >to a limited
> >extent will cause rusting. This is limited by the lack of large amounts of
> >air since it will be sealed off by the oil layer, but over time can lead
> > to rusting. If you have clean oil or biodiesel, it will not appreciably
> > rust. And,
> >hey, the price is right.
> >
> >Tom Leue
> >
> >In a message dated 1/21/04 1:21:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>  Today I was at the local hazardous waste recycling center and noticed
> >> that there were many 55 gal. steel drums free for the asking.  I told
> >> the guy what I was planning on doing with it and he said that for
> >> biodiesel I would need an epoxy coated drum, like a food grade drum or
> >> eith HDPE in order to avoid the risk of oxidation since these drums have
> >> bare metal walls.  Is he right, or does he not know enough about bio? 
> >> Thanks! J.D.
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[biofuel] Messages

[Lindsay Ferris]

I'm not sure of the procedure for enrolment...So it's full steam ahead.
I have been working as a volunteer, mainly within Vanuatu, since 1997. I 
recently spent 3 months working with a Rural Training Centre on Maewo island, 
part of the Vanuatu chain. I was disturbed to find the prevalence of Ciguatera 
in local fishes had impacted seriously on the local villagers. 
After my contract had expired I came home and tried to raise funds to help "my" 
villages source Ciguatera free fish in deeper waters. Apparently I'm not a 
convincing orator, as the best I could do was dress as Santa and scratch up $75.
I have since sold my car and cashed in my "super" (retirement fund) to enable 
me to purchase a boat which will enable me to "commute" to Maewo.
Biggest problem is fuel...hence looking at biodiesel
thanks
Lindsay

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Re: [biofuel] Need epoxy coated(food grade) steel drum for Bio-Dprocessor??

[kline]

>Maud,
IHave you ever noticed how most small diesel fuel pumps have filter/water
separators inline?  This sort of setup is also recommended for biodiesel. 
I'm wondering if a good fuel filter/seaparator would eliminate any concern
over rust contamination etc.
J.D. Speaking of rusty drums, I have scavenged several and they seem to be
> slightly pre-rusted on the interior. I know I don't want to put iron
> oxide into my fuel system. Is there an effective way to remove this
> rust or render it inert so I can still use the drums?
>
> Maud
> St. Louis, Missouri
>
>>Biodiesel and WVO do not corrode bare steel. However, WVO may have a
>> large
>>percentage of water that will settle to the bottom of the drum, and
>>to a limited
>>extent will cause rusting. This is limited by the lack of large amounts
>> of
>>air since it will be sealed off by the oil layer, but over time can lead
>> to
>>rusting. If you have clean oil or biodiesel, it will not appreciably
>>rust. And,
>>hey, the price is right.
>>
>>Tom Leue
>>
>>In a message dated 1/21/04 1:21:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>>
>>>  Today I was at the local hazardous waste recycling center and noticed
>>> that
>>>  there were many 55 gal. steel drums free for the asking.  I told the
>>> guy
>>>  what I was planning on doing with it and he said that for biodiesel I
>>>  would need an epoxy coated drum, like a food grade drum or eith HDPE
>>> in
>>>  order to avoid the risk of oxidation since these drums have bare metal
>>>  walls.  Is he right, or does he not know enough about bio?  Thanks!
>>>  J.D.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>www.yellowbiodiesel.com
>>
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Re: [biofuel] Methanol

[Greg and April]

I was thinking of doing it in a closed container, were no air could get in and 
provide an O2 source ( maybe even under a low vacuum ), that would limit the 
flammability issue.

As for making ethanol and then methanol, I was thinking that the steps for 
making ethanol from cellulose is a known process, and for those that want 
methanol for making BioDiesel, could use that step, while the experiments with 
wood slurry continue.

A thought just occurred to me, what about treating the wood, as you would to 
make ethanol, to break down the cellulose.  If I remember correctly, it is done 
in solution with an acid or with bacteria.  The bacteria, I am thinking, might 
be better for your purposes, because they would add to the carbon solution. 

Greg H.
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  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol



No. I expect it would work, but I'd rather use something which wasn't a 
  flammable.

  >What I was wondering, would it be easier to convert biomass to
  >Ethanol, then with  electricity, convert the Ethanol to syngas?

I can't see how. Our reason for making methanol is to be able to 
generate 
  a liquid automotive fuel from renewable resources already available on our 
  land. If one has ethanol, then why not just run one's car on that?

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Re: [biofuel] Need epoxy coated(food grade) steel drum for Bio-Dprocessor??

[Maud Essen]

Speaking of rusty drums, I have scavenged several and they seem to be 
slightly pre-rusted on the interior. I know I don't want to put iron 
oxide into my fuel system. Is there an effective way to remove this 
rust or render it inert so I can still use the drums?

Maud
St. Louis, Missouri

>Biodiesel and WVO do not corrode bare steel. However, WVO may have a large
>percentage of water that will settle to the bottom of the drum, and 
>to a limited
>extent will cause rusting. This is limited by the lack of large amounts of
>air since it will be sealed off by the oil layer, but over time can lead to
>rusting. If you have clean oil or biodiesel, it will not appreciably 
>rust. And,
>hey, the price is right.
>
>Tom Leue
>
>In a message dated 1/21/04 1:21:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
>>  Today I was at the local hazardous waste recycling center and noticed that
>>  there were many 55 gal. steel drums free for the asking.  I told the guy
>>  what I was planning on doing with it and he said that for biodiesel I
>>  would need an epoxy coated drum, like a food grade drum or eith HDPE in
>>  order to avoid the risk of oxidation since these drums have bare metal
>>  walls.  Is he right, or does he not know enough about bio?  Thanks!
>>  J.D.
>>
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[biofuel] 4TH Batch

[RGMTRUCK]

Hi again,

Well it took 4 trys but I think I got it this time.  It has been blended for 
about 3 hrs so far and I have seperation at the bottom.  I have it in a glass 
jar that just holds my 1 liter plus Methonal and it has about 1/2 inch on the 
bottom that is different than the rest so far.

I got 3 Great batches of Glop from the first trys.  But I figured out what 
was wrong.  I am embarassed to say what was the problem.  In my defense I am a 
Truck Mechnic by trade.  I work in quarts and gallons not GRAMS!!!  I had no 
idea how small 3.5 grams really is.  The little scales I was using apparently 
didn't either.  When I used my office electronic letter scales I found out I 
was 
using 22.5 grams of lye for 1 litre of oil.  GO FIGURE

Now how do I see how good the biodiesel is?  What kind of test can I do?

Thanks for all the help so far

Rick M
Brownstown, Mi.


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Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. final draft

[Hakan Falk]

Fritz,

The problem is that the original building techniques was open 
constructions, the paints for this old buildings was usually chalk based 
paints. They painted them white in the spring and this reflected sun 
radiation during the summer and the fall rains took away most of the paint 
and the sun radiation got absorbed in the winter, helping with the heating. 
In spring they made the house nice and reflective again. It was a part of 
the heating system, before the petroleum age (LOL). Moisture got both in 
and out, depending on season. Very brilliant solutions, but not exactly in 
line with the thinking of modern engineers. When you start to change this, 
you have to first understand the original concept. Otherwise you get 
surprises like this freezing or other things. Before doing anything, it is 
better to understand well what can happen.

Hakan


At 02:37 22/01/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Glenn,Hakan,
>if you talk about moisture penetration,dont you want to say
>hydrofuge material to be used to protect the walls?You dont want moisture 
>to get in but it should not be haltet to get out!
>korrect me if i get it wrong please
>Fritz
>   - Original Message -
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:25 PM
>   Subject: Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. final draft
>
>
>   Hakan,
>
>   Thanks for your comment.  Yes, I am sure you are right.  The problem in 
> the
>   past has been the wrong choice of paint, not allowing moisture to 
> penetrate
>   through the paint.  Most of the damage happened before I got the house, 
> and I
>   need to make sure the next paint chosen will allow moisture penetration.
>
>   Glenn
>
>
>   I take the adobe surface problem first, are you sure that you used 
> suitable
>   paint for it. To me it sounds like the paint seals up at the surface and
>   this would then be an expected problem. The choice of paint is very
>   critical and it must allow the humidity to pass through, any collection of
>   water on the back side of the paint will give you the problems you
>   describe. Many historical buildings have been destroyed by modern paints
>   and other techniques. I had a 350 year old farmhouse in Sweden and
>   restoring that meant a lot of study in old building techniques and
>   understanding of how and why they were done that way. To understand old
>   traditional buildings is not always easy, but most of the techniques 
> have a
>   rational explanation. I saw a lot of failed renovations and almost all of
>   them was because of sealing the construction too much, but not totally,
>   with modern materials and especially unsuitable paint.
>
>   Hakan



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Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. final draft

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Glenn,Hakan,
if you talk about moisture penetration,dont you want to say
hydrofuge material to be used to protect the walls?You dont want moisture to 
get in but it should not be haltet to get out!
korrect me if i get it wrong please
Fritz
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. final draft


  Hakan,

  Thanks for your comment.  Yes, I am sure you are right.  The problem in the 
  past has been the wrong choice of paint, not allowing moisture to penetrate 
  through the paint.  Most of the damage happened before I got the house, and I 
  need to make sure the next paint chosen will allow moisture penetration.

  Glenn


  I take the adobe surface problem first, are you sure that you used suitable 
  paint for it. To me it sounds like the paint seals up at the surface and 
  this would then be an expected problem. The choice of paint is very 
  critical and it must allow the humidity to pass through, any collection of 
  water on the back side of the paint will give you the problems you 
  describe. Many historical buildings have been destroyed by modern paints 
  and other techniques. I had a 350 year old farmhouse in Sweden and 
  restoring that meant a lot of study in old building techniques and 
  understanding of how and why they were done that way. To understand old 
  traditional buildings is not always easy, but most of the techniques have a 
  rational explanation. I saw a lot of failed renovations and almost all of 
  them was because of sealing the construction too much, but not totally, 
  with modern materials and especially unsuitable paint.

  Hakan


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Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. final draft

[glenne1949]

Hakan,

Thanks for your comment.  Yes, I am sure you are right.  The problem in the 
past has been the wrong choice of paint, not allowing moisture to penetrate 
through the paint.  Most of the damage happened before I got the house, and I 
need to make sure the next paint chosen will allow moisture penetration.

Glenn


I take the adobe surface problem first, are you sure that you used suitable 
paint for it. To me it sounds like the paint seals up at the surface and 
this would then be an expected problem. The choice of paint is very 
critical and it must allow the humidity to pass through, any collection of 
water on the back side of the paint will give you the problems you 
describe. Many historical buildings have been destroyed by modern paints 
and other techniques. I had a 350 year old farmhouse in Sweden and 
restoring that meant a lot of study in old building techniques and 
understanding of how and why they were done that way. To understand old 
traditional buildings is not always easy, but most of the techniques have a 
rational explanation. I saw a lot of failed renovations and almost all of 
them was because of sealing the construction too much, but not totally, 
with modern materials and especially unsuitable paint.

Hakan


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Re: [biofuel] Methanol

[Walt Patrick]

At 09:05 AM 1/21/04 -0700, you wrote:
 >Hey Walt,
 >
 >If you don't mind, I have a question.
 >
 >In an earlier post ( see below ), you talked about using electricity, in an
 >organic solution, to generate H2 and CO.
 >
 >In the post you mention that you used sugar solution, have you tried it with
 >Ethanol?

No. I expect it would work, but I'd rather use something which wasn't a 
flammable.

 >What I was wondering, would it be easier to convert biomass to
 >Ethanol, then with  electricity, convert the Ethanol to syngas?

I can't see how. Our reason for making methanol is to be able to 
generate 
a liquid automotive fuel from renewable resources already available on our 
land. If one has ethanol, then why not just run one's car on that?

Walt 


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