Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if sulfurated biodiesel works, wouldn't sulfurated vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - --- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list
Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
My dentist says that the average age of death for dentists in Missouri is 52. He attributes this to all the mercury they're exposed to in the amalgams they use. If you read about the history of mercury in amalgams, it was despised by dental associations in the 1800's. They knew then that mercury was bad news wrt health. It still is. People with a mouthful of fillings made of amalgams (not composite resin) should get a heavy metal check through hair analysis. Dentists and doctors need to remember: First, do no harm. Mercury amalgams are banned in several European countries. The average American has eight amalgam fillings, btw. Root canals with their amalgam centers are also a cause for concern, as I've found out. Amalgams also contain tin which is toxic. I think some even contain aluminum which is suspected as a cause of Alzheimer's, as is mercury. Dentists should be using composite resins which can be made in the same color as teeth and have no dangerous by-products, as far as I know. Having amalgams replaced with composite resins needs to be done very carefully so that the patient and dentist are not exposed, or exposed minimally, to the vapors or particles of amalgam. Peace light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra robert and benita rabello wrote: snipe We've found very serious, deleterious effects of depleted uranium munitions on soldiers who served in the Gulf War. That's a relatively small sample size when compared to the population of dental professionals in North America and Europe. So, if we can diagnose our veterans on the basis of exposure to depleted uranium in the Gulf War, why are we UNABLE to provide similar results in a much larger population exposed to dental amalgam? Fillings do not contain depleted uranium and DU when it vaporizes on impact and oxidizes into uranium trioxide is found to be a nano powder which is something like 100,000 to 1 meeelion times more toxic than DU is in a macro scale. Gulf war syndrom has nothing to do with mercury in fillings or vaccines. But didn't I read years ago that there is a very high suicide rate among dentists? And you are asking why we don't see wide spread health effects? But these people are saying that many wide spread problems ARE thought to be linked to mecury. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if sulfurated biodiesel works, wouldn't sulfurated vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - --- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
In a google search for Dentist Mortality:http://www.google.com/search?q=dentist+mortalityThe first result is from the University of Toronto http://tinyurl.com/ykqtt7...the available data indicate no reduction in the life expectancy of practising dentists, nor any specific or disproportionate rates of disease associated with high mercury exposure. In fact, the available mortality studies are generally optimistic about the health of dentists...Dentists live 3 years LONGER than others in the population. Do you have anything to back up your statement other than what your dentist said?I would think that if dentists were dropping like flies, even in Misery, er Missouri, that it would probably make the news and rational dentristry students would drop out of school at very high rates. I find nothing of the sort on Google or Google News or scholar.google.com .On 11/10/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My dentist says that the average age of death for dentists in Missouri is 52. He attributesthis to all the mercury they're exposed to in the amalgams they use. If youread about thehistory of mercury in amalgams, it was despised by dental associations inthe 1800's. Theyknew then that mercury was bad news wrt health. It still is. People with a mouthful offillings made of amalgams (not composite resin) should get a heavy metalcheck throughhair analysis. Dentists and doctors need to remember: First, do no harm.Mercury amalgamsare banned in several European countries. The average American has eight amalgam fillings,btw. Root canals with their amalgam centers are also a cause for concern, asI've found out.Amalgams also contain tin which is toxic. I think some even contain aluminumwhich is suspected as a cause of Alzheimer's, as is mercury. Dentists should be using compositeresins which canbe made in the same color as teeth and have no dangerous by-products, as faras I know.Having amalgams replaced with composite resins needs to be done very carefully so that thepatient and dentist are not exposed, or exposed minimally, to the vapors orparticles of amalgam.Peace light, D. Mindock- Original Message -From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra robert and benita rabello wrote: snipeWe've found very serious, deleterious effects of depleted uranium munitions on soldiers who served in the Gulf War.That's a relativelysmall sample size when compared to the population of dentalprofessionals in North America and Europe.So, if we can diagnose our veterans on the basis of exposure to depleted uranium in the Gulf War,why are we UNABLE to provide similar results in a much larger populationexposed to dental amalgam? Fillings do not contain depleted uranium and DU when it vaporizes on impact and oxidizes into uranium trioxide is found to be a nano powder which is something like 100,000 to 1 meeelion times more toxic than DU is in a macro scale.Gulf war syndrom has nothing to do with mercury in fillings or vaccines.But didn't I read years ago that there is a very high suicide rate among dentists?And you are asking why we don't see wide spread health effects?But these people are saying that many wide spread problems ARE thought to be linked to mecury. Joe___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven WrightWe are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. - Walt Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Bob, Andrew, I will investigate the percentage of sulfer in cutting oil and get back to you, stay tuned. Jim From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:00:34 -0600 I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if sulfurated biodiesel works, wouldn't sulfurated vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - --- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
D. Mindock wrote: My dentist says that the average age of death for dentists in Missouri is 52. this number seems to be way far off the average age at death for North Americans, by something like 20 years. One would think that this statistic would stand out like a sore thumb. I sure wish someone would find a reference in addition to D's dentist. We can go back and forth till we all turn blue about the relative toxicity of dental amalgams, but you have suggested a simple end point which I question. He attributes this to all the mercury they're exposed to in the amalgams they use. If you read about the history of mercury in amalgams, it was despised by dental associations in the 1800's. They knew then that mercury was bad news wrt health. It still is. People with a mouthful of fillings made of amalgams (not composite resin) should get a heavy metal check through hair analysis. Dentists and doctors need to remember: First, do no harm. Mercury amalgams are banned in several European countries. The average American has eight amalgam fillings, btw. Root canals with their amalgam centers are also a cause for concern, as I've found out. Amalgams also contain tin which is toxic. I think some even contain aluminum which is suspected as a cause of Alzheimer's, as is mercury. Dentists should be using composite resins which can be made in the same color as teeth and have no dangerous by-products, as far as I know. Having amalgams replaced with composite resins needs to be done very carefully so that the patient and dentist are not exposed, or exposed minimally, to the vapors or particles of amalgam. Peace light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra robert and benita rabello wrote: snipe We've found very serious, deleterious effects of depleted uranium munitions on soldiers who served in the Gulf War. That's a relatively small sample size when compared to the population of dental professionals in North America and Europe. So, if we can diagnose our veterans on the basis of exposure to depleted uranium in the Gulf War, why are we UNABLE to provide similar results in a much larger population exposed to dental amalgam? Fillings do not contain depleted uranium and DU when it vaporizes on impact and oxidizes into uranium trioxide is found to be a nano powder which is something like 100,000 to 1 meeelion times more toxic than DU is in a macro scale. Gulf war syndrom has nothing to do with mercury in fillings or vaccines. But didn't I read years ago that there is a very high suicide rate among dentists? And you are asking why we don't see wide spread health effects? But these people are saying that many wide spread problems ARE thought to be linked to mecury. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it)
So this is my first batch of biodiesel that went bad because of an incomplete reaction. So, just for grins I took some of the emulsion and mixed it with about 25% methanol in a jar. Within seconds the emulsion sank to the bottom, and now I have three layers: a slightly cloudy, clear phase on the top (I assume the methanol), a clear amber phase in the middle (I assume methyl esters) and a small layer of mayonnaise on the bottom (I assume part of the emulsion). Can anyone explain what is going on here? Can I take the middle layer and just process it a little further (with some methoxide)? If I have what I think, this may be a good way to salvage emulsified batches. Bobby _ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
ENDPOINT ROFL ROFL ROFL! Ahhh the technical term for death. I love it. Joe PS isn't it silver that turns you blue? ;) bob allen wrote: snip We can go back and forth till we all turn blue about the relative toxicity of dental amalgams, but you have suggested a simple end point which I question. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
Andrew, I would purchase a gallon of mineral Oil mix 50% with Biodiesel and sturate with elemental sulfer. Try this mix and let me know how it works. It should work good on carbon steels. Jim From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:41:54 -0700 Bob, Andrew, I will investigate the percentage of sulfer in cutting oil and get back to you, stay tuned. Jim From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:00:34 -0600 I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if sulfurated biodiesel works, wouldn't sulfurated vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the
Re: [Biofuel] My prediction
Keith Addison wrote: And not a peep out of anybody about foreign policy. Everybody's still fast asleep eh? That's damned sad. Almost every news analyst I've heard has come to the conclusion that dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq was a primary motivator for people to vote against the Republicans this time around. Trouble is, at least from my view, that Iraq is just a symptom. The underlying causes are far more deeply rooted, and a lot of people seem rather reluctant to admit that imperialism and jingoism pervade our attitudes toward the rest of the people in the world. Does anybody here seriously think the Dems will change foreign policy? - that there's any difference between Dem and Repub foreign policy? - that there's anything else that matters? You once said that the Democrats and Republicans are two sides of a single coin--the business party. That's the most apt description I've ever heard. Best wishes Indeed! And to you and your loved ones as well! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
of equal importance is the form of the sulfur. Is it elemental ie, just sulfur atoms all by themselves, or is the sulfur present as an organosulfur compound. or even present as a metal sulfide salt? JAMES PHELPS wrote: Bob, Andrew, I will investigate the percentage of sulfer in cutting oil and get back to you, stay tuned. Jim From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:00:34 -0600 I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if sulfurated biodiesel works, wouldn't sulfurated vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined
[Biofuel] Dual zone thermometer for vacuum reactors
Hi all; I think I posted something about this in the late summer but anyhoo I have a page now about how you can modify an inexpensive indoor outdoor thermometer to read temperature at two remote locations. I use this to monitor the reactor temperature and also the temperature of the pipe coming out of the reactor during methanol recovery. Well here is the link... http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Dual_zone_thermo.html Total cost of this addition under 20 bucks and maybe half an hour of time. It took longer to get it on my site! LOL Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room temp. bob allen wrote: I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if sulfurated biodiesel works, wouldn't sulfurated vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] My prediction
Hi Keith, Eloquently summed up, you have brought words to my fears of or current political reality and Roberts comments add savor, I must keep up hope though or its is grim to think of. I see where the repubs are spouting a carbon tax two days after the election - see they just will do what ever to get power it just never ends. So we have put on the chains mucked through the muck of the election and where have we arrived? A!! the LAKE. Best Jim - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My prediction Keith Addison wrote:And not a peep out of anybody about foreign policy. Everybody's still fast asleep eh? That's damned sad. Almost every news analyst I've heard has come to the conclusion that dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq was a primary motivator for people to vote against the Republicans this time around. Trouble is, at least from my view, that Iraq is just a symptom. The underlying causes are far more deeply rooted, and a lot of people seem rather reluctant to admit that imperialism and jingoism pervade our attitudes toward the rest of the people in the world.Does anybody here seriously think the Dems will change foreign policy? - that there's any difference between Dem and Repub foreign policy? - that there's anything else that matters? You once said that the Democrats and Republicans are two sides of a single coin--the business party. That's the most apt description I've ever heard.Best wishes Indeed! And to you and your loved ones as well!robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
see also http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4166795.html Jim - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room temp. bob allen wrote: I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: "JAMES PHELPS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: "JAMES PHELPS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining
The sulfur used is trade name "sulfer lard" I am thinking that the mineral oil is the carrier. the cutting oil is by composition -sulfur (unknown if it is elemental or organic compound), mineral oil and an additive to supply a high lubricity. Jim - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining update, it appears that most of the sulfur which went into solution crystallized out (needles) upon cooling to room temp. bob allen wrote: I put one gram of sulfur (elemental) in 50 milliliters of biodiesel and heated. some but not all went into solution, so I can say that sulfur is soluble to less than two percent in biodiesel. Tonomár András wrote: I was looking through the MSDS of our cutting oil but found no trace of the chemical stucture. ( I think they consider it industrial secret) WOuld be nive if you could find out something about sulfur dissolving Thank you in advance Kind reg. Andrew Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use ascoolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining I don't know off the top of my head, but sulfur is somewhat soluble in non polar solvents like toluene and carbon tetrachloride, so I suspect it would have some solubility in biodiesel. Probably all you would need to do is get some elemental sulfur , a yellow powder , add to the biodiesel and heat it up to see if it dissolves. This is assuming that when someone says sulfur, they mean elemental sulfur rather than sulfur present in another form. If I get time this afternoon I'll give it a try. stay tuned. Another point, if "sulfurated" biodiesel works, wouldn't "sulfurated" vegetable oil work just as well? I would but I don't do enough to matter. I am not sure how they put sulfer into oil perhaps Bob Allen would help answer this question? Jim From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant andlubricatinginsteelmachining Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:31 +0100 James, Thank you for your reply. Do you know how can I add sulfur? What was your final conclusion with the experiment? Do you still use it or not? Thanks Andrew - Original Message - From: "JAMES PHELPS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricatinginsteelmachining Also you may need to add Sulfur to get a real good cut. Thats the magic ingreadient to cutting oils. From: "JAMES PHELPS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating insteelmachining Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:49:27 -0700 It will probably work if the cutting edge can be kept cool. I used some for this and it got hot and smoked (worked good though) but I didn't' have a regenerative supply cooling the surface. Get an msds on your cutting oil and one for biodiesel then compare the properties. This can be a guide that will tell you what modifications you need to make. - Original Message - From: Tonomár Andrásmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BIodiesel use as coolant and lubricating in steelmachining Dear list members, Does anyone have information on biodiesel in turning machines as coolant and lubricating liquid? Cutting oil prices are high in the sky ( $21 / gallon ). My company operates 8 automatic turns that use such oil. We are machining soft steel and automatic steel. The tools are made of rapid steel and normal HSS drills My boss just got angry because of the oil bills :))) and my thoughts are on biodiesel. We are going to experiment with that, but would be nice to have some info in advance. Kind regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] My prediction
well, i dont expect that any politician would change any existing policies. that is why if someone were to run for office without the politics, i.e., focus on what you are about, and admit anything the opposition might try to use against you - thus stealing their thunder - and just go to the business of taking care of the public (domestic or otherwise) without being sidetracked by all the money, mudslingers, and hesaid/shesaid garbage, something significant might be accomplished. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My prediction And not a peep out of anybody about foreign policy. Everybody's still fast asleep eh? That's damned sad. Does anybody here seriously think the Dems will change foreign policy? - that there's any difference between Dem and Repub foreign policy? - that there's anything else that matters? If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize -- very publicly and very sincerely -- to all the widows and the orphans, the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. I would then announce that America's global interventions -- including the awful bombings -- have come to an end. And I would inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but -- oddly enough -- a foreign country. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings and invasions. There would be more than enough money. Do you know what one year of the US military budget is equal to? One year. It's equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated. -- Bill Blum Best wishes Keith honestly, if i were willing to vote in any of this foolishness, i would have to run for office and vote for myself because i cant think of any decent reason to throw my support behind one single issue when so many need fixed. i keep wondering why a voter would vote on one single issue when the person carrying it is totally against everything else the voter believes in. the system is definitely cracked, but not totally broken, but the crack will separate if this single issue voting continues. we need candidates that will be direct (no doublespeak), honest (spreads no bull'), and - if need be - aggressive (takes no bull'). Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]JAMES PHELPS To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My prediction Snip -Anyway, to address your wonderment, I wonder that the fickle cycle you observe is actually a blurring of party lines and the steady development of what works in the best interest of all people and the planet, Snip Mike, Some observations, The way I see the repubs is undefined, They don't manage to stick to any sacred ground just what works to stay in power. This would seem to be more characteristic of a party that is owned by some dark master in the corner. There are good people in the party that may come awake and come to understand that they would be better served by going independent. The Democrats may have also learned that the people will judge the work they do and how they handle things. Will the people stand behind the tough issues? in example: Global warming, the environment, cuts to defense budgets to obtain alternative fuel transitions? Will they define the priorities the world needs defined? Can they build consensus or will the voters boot them when the going gets tough? Have we turned into cake and eat it who care who dies for this end? Any way thanks for the reply I just wanted to get some dialog started. Jim - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]MK DuPree To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My prediction James...A few of my Republican friends (I am registered Independent) are shaking their heads today mostly angry with G.W. for having lost both Houses for the Repugs. Unfortunately, I hear no remorse for the incredible loss of life and suffering this man and his cronies have wreaked on the people of my country and of this world. And to be honest, I wonder that it is over. Anyway, to address your wonderment, I wonder that the fickle cycle you observe is actually a blurring of party lines and the steady development of what works in the best interest of all people and the planet, not just a select few. As I said,
[Biofuel] My prediction
although... :( i dont really see such a novel thing happening. MY prediction for the future is a total meltdown of the united states and anyone who supports it, at MINIMUM one civil war, and a revolution of one type or other, and the complete dissolution of the continental U.S. anyone care to place bets on how many countries the usa breaks into? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it)
Now that the mixture has completely settled, I have 4 layers. The top is now clear methanol, the middle and largest layer is a clear, bright amber color (I assume this is methyl esters) the bottom two layers all small layers, one appears to be emulsion (yellow, gummy looking) and the very bottom appears to be a cloudy white phase. Again, can someone tell me what is going on? Bobby From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:58:24 -0500 So this is my first batch of biodiesel that went bad because of an incomplete reaction. So, just for grins I took some of the emulsion and mixed it with about 25% methanol in a jar. Within seconds the emulsion sank to the bottom, and now I have three layers: a slightly cloudy, clear phase on the top (I assume the methanol), a clear amber phase in the middle (I assume methyl esters) and a small layer of mayonnaise on the bottom (I assume part of the emulsion). Can anyone explain what is going on here? Can I take the middle layer and just process it a little further (with some methoxide)? If I have what I think, this may be a good way to salvage emulsified batches. Bobby _ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it)
was it fresh oil or fryer oil? is your methanol TOTALLY dry? how carefully was your titration measured? i smell water in the mix... theres really no such thing as blowing it- just a simple slip of the hand or a little bit of missed timing- the insignificant little quirks of life that add up at the end. no big deal, just take good records and keep on moving. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it) Now that the mixture has completely settled, I have 4 layers. The top is now clear methanol, the middle and largest layer is a clear, bright amber color (I assume this is methyl esters) the bottom two layers all small layers, one appears to be emulsion (yellow, gummy looking) and the very bottom appears to be a cloudy white phase. Again, can someone tell me what is going on? Bobby From: Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Please explain (I blew it) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:58:24 -0500 So this is my first batch of biodiesel that went bad because of an incomplete reaction. So, just for grins I took some of the emulsion and mixed it with about 25% methanol in a jar. Within seconds the emulsion sank to the bottom, and now I have three layers: a slightly cloudy, clear phase on the top (I assume the methanol), a clear amber phase in the middle (I assume methyl esters) and a small layer of mayonnaise on the bottom (I assume part of the emulsion). Can anyone explain what is going on here? Can I take the middle layer and just process it a little further (with some methoxide)? If I have what I think, this may be a good way to salvage emulsified batches. Bobby _ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
