Re: [Biofuel] Washing

[Tonomár András]

Hello Joe,

My experience is that I get about 96%-100% yield for the whole process.
In your terms 100ml VWO - 96ml finished BD
I wash 5 times stirring with a paint stirrer.
If you are carefull then you dont use BD during the wash. (at least you
should not)
What you loose is contaminents like soaps, exess methanol, free glycerin
etc.

The best advise to say for you is to practice, and info will come.
This you can read about for hours, but without doing it you will never
learn.

Everyone makes mistakes, that is how we learn.

Email if you have questions.
Andrew




> Hi guys,
>
> If i use, say, 100ml of BD and add 50 ml of hot water for washing
> (stir for 15 mins), will i get back 100ml of washed BD or less?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe N.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Washing

[Joe Neo]

Hey Andrew,

Thanks for the info and advice..

I will work harder..


On 1/8/07, Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Joe,
>
> My experience is that I get about 96%-100% yield for the whole process.
> In your terms 100ml VWO - 96ml finished BD
> I wash 5 times stirring with a paint stirrer.
> If you are carefull then you dont use BD during the wash. (at least you
> should not)
> What you loose is contaminents like soaps, exess methanol, free glycerin
> etc.
>
> The best advise to say for you is to practice, and info will come.
> This you can read about for hours, but without doing it you will never
> learn.
>
> Everyone makes mistakes, that is how we learn.
>
> Email if you have questions.
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > If i use, say, 100ml of BD and add 50 ml of hot water for washing
> > (stir for 15 mins), will i get back 100ml of washed BD or less?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe N.
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] H2 Fuel Cell Efficiencies (was Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis)

[darryl]

Quoting robert and benita rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Darryl McMahon wrote:
>
>> Kirk,
>> those efficiency numbers look like the DOE short term targets from when
>> I was researching my book.  I see they are still counting waste heat as
>> part of the efficiency (CHP).
>>
>>
>
> Sorry to butt in Darryl, but that seems to be part of the sales
> presentation, right?  Efficiency depends on what we're counting.  The
> numbers for the PEM cells (of which I am most familiar) might be a bit
> high, but don't seem unreasonable.

Robert, you're always welcome to join an on-list conversation (as is
anyone else).  I agree that pumping up the numbers is an accepted
sales technique (if regrettable), however, these figures are coming
from the U.S. Department of Energy, who, IMHO, should not be "selling"
the technology.  As for being a bit high on efficiency, that's a key
issue.  As a taxpayer-funded entity, they should be impartial and as
accurate as possible.  Would it be OK for me to promote an electric
resistance heater as being 105% efficient?  It's just a bit high.

Seriously, the efficiency numbers are important.  The hydrogen energy
cycle efficiency is not attractive, and we can't afford the multiple
conversion losses no matter what the original primary energy source
is.  Perhaps more so in light of the David Hughes interview I posted
last night.  (U.S. is already importing coal and past peak coal.
World is past peak oil.  North America is past peak natural gas and
shortages may be closer than the 7-9 years I had been expecting until
now.)

>
>> Do you know of someone actually selling units with these efficiencies
>> (validated by third parties and guaranteed to clients by vendors) in the
>> commercial market?
>>
>>
>
> Even if a company WAS selling one of these things, they certainly
> wouldn't sell one to you or me!!!  (The same is true of commercial
> electrolyzers.)

Actually, there have been companies that were selling home
electrolyzers in the past (Billings comes to mind), the the hydrogen
herd certainly has been promoting home scale fuel cells as part of the
H2/distributed generation "vision" (although I'm not aware of any
targeted at this segment and on the market today).

Stuart Energy/Electrolyzer Corp. did have some small electrolyzers
advertised a few years ago, probably a bit large for a single house,
but perhaps appropriate to the rowhouse / small apartment building
scale.  IIRC, there is (was?) a demonstration house in Thailand that
has a household scale fuel cell (sorry, I don't have a reference
handy), but I think the solar PV and vanadium flow battery
demonstration was considered the greater success.

As for not selling to you and me, I think pricing just might be a
factor in that.

Darryl

--
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The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy
http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/




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[Biofuel] Vitamin Seller Made a Criminal

[D. Mindock]

Stores selling vit B-17 are being shut down here in the USA too. Jim Wright 
though was
shut down in a particularly mean-spirited way. The FDA has shown itself to be 
capable
of the same behavior, if not moreso.  Big Pharma wants to keep ordinary people 
from keeping
themselves healthy by natural means without the use of unnatural allopathic 
medicine. The FDA is the junk yard bulldog for Big Pharma. Vit B-17 also known 
as laetrile. See:
http://www.cancure.org/laetrile.htm for more info.
Peace, D. Mindock
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Press Release: Vitamin Seller Made a Criminal

Jim Wright, from Port Talbot in South West Wales (U.K.), ran a small business 
selling natural products. Like many involved in natural health, Jim wanted to 
help not only his family and himself, but also others. Jim's caring nature and 
concern for the suffering of others ultimately got him into trouble. In fact, 
it made him a criminal. Find out how the UK medicines regulator, in cahoots 
with the BBC, set him up. This is an astonishing case about persecution and 
prosecution. Yesterday, Jim received his sentence from Swansea's Crown Court. 
Jim and his family have been through hell and back, yet he's not beaten - he's 
going to appeal.
To download the full press release (which has this morning been circulated to 
the entire UK media) as a PDF document, including the Editor's Notes that 
provide more details on this important case, please click the following link: 
http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/_docs/ANHwebsiteDoc_263.pdf 

The text of the release is given below:

Vitamin seller made a criminal

After three years of apparent persecution by the UK medicines regulator, a 
Swansea man, Jim Wright, was yesterday criminalised by the Swansea Crown Court 
for selling vitamins and herbs.
Jim Wright had operated a small business selling natural health products for 
some years before being raided for the first time in May 2003, then again two 
years later, by the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Authority 
(MHRA). During these unannounced dawn raids, his stock was taken, thus 
preventing him from running his business. The vast majority of his stock 
comprised common garden herbal products the like of which can legally be bought 
from high street health food stores across the UK. 

Emerging from the Court room, Wright said, 'I think given the wealth of false 
evidence that was presented in Court, the whole thing's been a total farce. Yet 
in the process they've managed to make me a criminal. The Judge gave me a £1000 
fine, £1000 that I haven't got, and 120 hours of unpaid community service. I 
was accused of selling products that I wasn't selling and we even showed the 
Court that the supplier of vitamin B-17, as found in apricot kernels, was 
itself shut down by the US Food & Drug Administration on 30th September 2003. 
They found nothing in two raids on my house. I was set up.' 

Wright, like others who had been selling vitamin B-17 up until it was made 
illegal in 2002, was made aware of the change in government policy and withdrew 
the product from sale. He had always made a point of complying with any advice 
or requests by the UK medicines enforcement agency.

In 2003, the MHRA worked with BBC Wales to entrap Wright. A women and her 
partner who, he was told, had a myeloma in the leg that had been operated on 
and that had subsequently spread, approached Jim Wright with a view to buying 
products that would help the cancer patient. The couple forced Wright to meet 
them in a car park on two separate occasions to deliver a range of natural 
health products. Wright thought this a most strange request, yet the customers 
were adamant this is how they wanted their products delivered. They filmed him 
covertly the first time, but on the second occasion, the cameras were revealed 
as he passed over the products. He was devastated to find the customers were 
really a BBC reporter and her perfectly healthy colleague. 

Shortly after this, Wright saw himself on the BBC, being made out to be a 
criminal, despite the fact the products he was selling were 100% legal. About 
one week later, the MHRA raided him, confiscating all of his stock, and so 
handicapping his small business operation.
No legal proceedings followed, but Mr Wright's stock was also not returned even 
after three requests. The enforcers went peculiarly quiet on Mr Wright.

Two years later, Wright received an order for vitamin B-17. Unknown to him, the 
order was from an MHRA enforcer who, posing as a member of the public, 
presented a heart-wrenching story about her husband dying of prostate cancer. 
The lady was very specific about her desire for vitamin B-17, that Wright was 
well aware had been banned some years earlier. Wright made it clear that he 
could no longer sell B-17 and had none in stock. After continuous pressure, 
however, Wright succumbed to providing a single pot that he still had in his 
home office tha

Re: [Biofuel] a different holiday

[Joe Street]

Hey Jesse;

I saw a more recent video by Yves on youtube where he has a slightly 
larger wing and 4 engines. Those turbines can definitely run on B100 but 
I know he uses kerosene.  Should write to him eh?

Joe

Jesse Frayne wrote:

>Okay, you pleasure seekers... Check out this guy. 
>(Dang, I hope that's biofuel he's  burning...) 
>
>http://www.jet-man.com/actuel_eng.html
>
>scroll down and play the video.
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Re: [Biofuel] Washing

[Tonomár András]

What is your real problem?
Yre you getting emulsion? or draining problem?
Andrew




Hey Andrew,

Thanks for the info and advice..

I will work harder..


On 1/8/07, Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Joe,
>
> My experience is that I get about 96%-100% yield for the whole process.
> In your terms 100ml VWO - 96ml finished BD
> I wash 5 times stirring with a paint stirrer.
> If you are carefull then you dont use BD during the wash. (at least you
> should not)
> What you loose is contaminents like soaps, exess methanol, free glycerin
> etc.
>
> The best advise to say for you is to practice, and info will come.
> This you can read about for hours, but without doing it you will never
> learn.
>
> Everyone makes mistakes, that is how we learn.
>
> Email if you have questions.
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > If i use, say, 100ml of BD and add 50 ml of hot water for washing
> > (stir for 15 mins), will i get back 100ml of washed BD or less?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe N.
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] a different holiday

[Jesse Frayne]

Definitely, Joe.
Surprising, in a Swiss guy...  Wrong to make a
generalization but those guys are usually so very
energy conscious.  I'm sending a note today (politely,
of course, I'm Canadian).
Jesse

--- Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Jesse;
> 
> I saw a more recent video by Yves on youtube where
> he has a slightly 
> larger wing and 4 engines. Those turbines can
> definitely run on B100 but 
> I know he uses kerosene.  Should write to him eh?
> 
> Joe
> 
> Jesse Frayne wrote:
> 
> >Okay, you pleasure seekers... Check out this guy. 
> >(Dang, I hope that's biofuel he's  burning...) 
> >
> >http://www.jet-man.com/actuel_eng.html
> >
> >scroll down and play the video.
> >Jesse
> >
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] H2 Fuel Cell Efficiencies (was Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis)

[Kirk McLoren]

I saw a Canadian outfit but didnt bookmark it.
  They were selling to industrial users.
  Home use means unskilled in maintenance so I am not sure how they will cross 
that bridge.
   
  Kirk

Darryl McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Kirk,
those efficiency numbers look like the DOE short term targets from when 
I was researching my book. I see they are still counting waste heat as 
part of the efficiency (CHP).

Do you know of someone actually selling units with these efficiencies 
(validated by third parties and guaranteed to clients by vendors) in the 
commercial market?

The disadvantages make interesting reading though, don't they?

Darryl


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Re: [Biofuel] Temperatures

[JAMES PHELPS]

Those temps also vary with your position above sea Level.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Addison 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Temperatures


  Hello Marc

  Your message is only a kilobyte or so but your post is 53 kb, about 
  50 kb is just waste. Sent to thousands of list members that amounts 
  to a large amount of wasted bandwidth.

  Next time you send a message please don't include the entire daily 
  digest at the end.

  To answer your question, whether you use KOH or NaOH doesn't affect 
  the processing temperature, use the same temperature. The reason for 
  the usual practice of keeping the processing temperature below about 
  55 deg C is to prevent the methanol from boiling off. Methanol boils 
  at 64.7 deg C, 148.5 deg F. Generally speaking, higher temperatures 
  mean better processing and therefore less soap.

  Please see "The modelling of the biodiesel reaction":
  
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#macromodel

  Best

  Keith Addison
  Biofuel list owner

   
  >Hello,
  >
  >I have a question about temperatures and when using NaOH or KOH. First I
  >used NaOH as a catalyst and my reaction temperature was 50 degrees
  >Celsius. Now we use KOH as a catalyst. Should this reaction be done at
  >the same temperature or should we change it. Has different kind of
  >temperature effect on soap formation, I mean, when the temperature is to
  >high you will make more soap?
  >Greetings,
  >
  >Marc Arends

  


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Re: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever

[JAMES PHELPS]

Yes, And if you could drive the motion with the wind you could heat the water 
and pump it too.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Wes Moore 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:46 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever


  Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the
  use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do.
  The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet
  and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding
  a magnet back and forth through a coil).
  Somewhere in the link you will also see the idea to attach magnets at either
  end of the pendulum swing. This or electro magnets should keep the unit in
  motion indefinitely.
  All in all I think the most beautiful part of this invention is a water pump
  for developing nation's farmers.
  
http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm
 

  Wes  

  Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:31:04 -0500
  From: "Frank Navarrete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed

  Hi Wes,
  Interesting link to Milkovic's work.  I wonder if you could apply
  added pendulum energy to a bicycle, and have a sort of long-distance
  low-effort gear.





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[Biofuel] Glycerin

[JAMES PHELPS]

Quite interesting,

http://www.eetcorp.com/heepm/glycerine.htm?gclid=CNzKrKi60okCFRzkYAodcUMk1g___
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Re: [Biofuel] Washing

[Joe Neo]

my problem is emulsion.. i guess just just have to practice a few more
times, and also allow longer reaction time (more than 24 hrs) before
washing..

Thanks,

On 1/9/07, Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is your real problem?
> Yre you getting emulsion? or draining problem?
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> Hey Andrew,
>
> Thanks for the info and advice..
>
> I will work harder..
>
>
> On 1/8/07, Tonomár András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello Joe,
> >
> > My experience is that I get about 96%-100% yield for the whole process.
> > In your terms 100ml VWO - 96ml finished BD
> > I wash 5 times stirring with a paint stirrer.
> > If you are carefull then you dont use BD during the wash. (at least you
> > should not)
> > What you loose is contaminents like soaps, exess methanol, free glycerin
> > etc.
> >
> > The best advise to say for you is to practice, and info will come.
> > This you can read about for hours, but without doing it you will never
> > learn.
> >
> > Everyone makes mistakes, that is how we learn.
> >
> > Email if you have questions.
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > If i use, say, 100ml of BD and add 50 ml of hot water for washing
> > > (stir for 15 mins), will i get back 100ml of washed BD or less?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joe N.
> > >
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