date:20070203

>Interesting cross post from gasification.

Oh come on Weaver, we've scotched this brand of BS here so many times 
before. what's interesting about it???

Keith


> Original Message 
>Subject:   Re: [Strawbale] Global warming
>Date:  Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600
>From:  David Neeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC:SB REPP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of
>either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or
>a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all.
>
>A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and
>popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an "approaching
>ice age." Now, the existence of global warming prompts "scientists" to
>attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question
>the current cant--that "of course" we have global warming and "of
>course" we humans are contributing to it.
>
>Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed.
>There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have
>existed since long before humans were around at all.
>
>Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides.
>Some areas are "warming" while others have record snows (as in
>Anchorage at the moment).
>
>Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is
>inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period
>between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have
>another one.
>
>Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that
>when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to
>ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern
>hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological
>terms.
>
>To assert that "whose who question global warming have a financial or
>personal interest in the status quo", though, is the height of
>arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in
>the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth
>and the consequences it may present to me and my family.
>
>In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be
>questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that "everyone"
>believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent
>pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious
>person can or should question.
>
>That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every
>assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas
>in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined
>to more closely fit the observed facts.
>
>So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone
>who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the
>truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or
>venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that
>ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your
>particular orthodoxy of the moment might be.
>
>David
>
>
>
>On 2/3/07, Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ron
> > Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional
> > interest in the status quo.


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Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian

2007-02-03 Thread leo bunyan

Jesse & Zeke
I think it's a symptom of the "developed countries"
Nobody seems to have the monopoly on stupidity in the western world
Leo

Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sounds like the US to me
Z

On 2/3/07, Jesse Frayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I donno, Leo,
This sounds exactly like Canada
Jesse

--- leo bunyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> MAATE!
>
> Being Australian is about driving in a German car to 
> an Irish pub
> for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing
> an Indian curry or a
> Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish
> furniture and watch American
> shows on a Japanese TV. 
> Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get
> to your house
> faster than an ambulance.
> Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick
> people walk all the
> way to the back of the shop to get their 
> prescriptions while healthy
> people can buy cigarettes at the front.
> Only in Australia ... do people order double
> cheese-burgers, large
> Fries and a DIET coke.
> Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open 
> and chain the
> Pens to the counters.
> Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth
> thousands of dollars on
> the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in
> the garage.
 > Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines
> to screen calls
> and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call
> from someone we
> didn't want to talk to in the first place. 
> Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking
> places in front of
> a skating rink.
> NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if
> a 9v battery
> works on their tongue.
 > 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all
> pins From new
> shirts.
> 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp
> knives instead of
> screwdrivers.
> 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their 
> Christmas tree
> while the fairy lights were plugged in.
> 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new
> jumper with a
> lit cigarette in their mouth.
> A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in 
> the last two
> years after opening bottles of beer with their
> Teeth.
> And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their
> skull whilst
> throwing up into the toilet.
>
 > IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON!
> HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY
>
>
>
>  Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://au.messenger.yahoo.com  >
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Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]

Stuff&Nonsense, Yewdall.

-Exxon

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

> >To assert that "whose who question global warming have a financial or
> >personal interest in the status quo", though, is the height of
> >arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in
>>the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth
> >and the consequences it may present to me and my family.
>
> I guess that he doesn't buy fossil fuel generated electricity for his 
> house, doesn't drive a car, doesn't shop in any stores that sell goods 
> produced in factories, or transported to the store, doesn't heat his 
> house with carbon producing fuels, doesn't eat food produced on 
> factory farms, or transported to his house via vehicle.  Good for him 
> that he has such a lifestyle that doesn't produce any carbon emissions.
>
>
> On 2/3/07, *Mike Weaver* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Interesting cross post from gasification.
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject:Re: [Strawbale] Global warming
> Date:   Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600
> From:   David Neeley < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> To: Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> CC: SB REPP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
>
>
> I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of
> either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or
> a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all.
>
> A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and
> popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an "approaching
> ice age." Now, the existence of global warming prompts
> "scientists" to
> attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question
> the current cant--that "of course" we have global warming and "of
> course" we humans are contributing to it.
>
> Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed.
> There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have
> existed since long before humans were around at all.
>
> Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides.
> Some areas are "warming" while others have record snows (as in
> Anchorage at the moment).
>
> Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is
> inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period
> between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have
> another one.
>
> Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that
> when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to
> ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern
> hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological
> terms.
>
> To assert that "whose who question global warming have a financial or
> personal interest in the status quo", though, is the height of
> arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in
> the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth
> and the consequences it may present to me and my family.
>
> In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be
> questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that "everyone"
> believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent
> pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious
> person can or should question.
>
> That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every
> assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas
> in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined
> to more closely fit the observed facts.
>
> So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone
> who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the
> truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or
> venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that
> ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your
> particular orthodoxy of the moment might be.
>
> David
>
>
>
> On 2/3/07, Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> > Ron
> > Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional
> > interest in the status quo.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]

To assert that "whose who question global warming have a financial or
personal interest in the status quo", though, is the height of
arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in
the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth
and the consequences it may present to me and my family.

I guess that he doesn't buy fossil fuel generated electricity for his house,
doesn't drive a car, doesn't shop in any stores that sell goods produced in
factories, or transported to the store, doesn't heat his house with carbon
producing fuels, doesn't eat food produced on factory farms, or transported
to his house via vehicle.  Good for him that he has such a lifestyle that
doesn't produce any carbon emissions.

On 2/3/07, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Interesting cross post from gasification.

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [Strawbale] Global warming
Date:   Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600
From:   David Neeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: SB REPP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of
either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or
a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all.

A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and
popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an "approaching
ice age." Now, the existence of global warming prompts "scientists" to
attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question
the current cant--that "of course" we have global warming and "of
course" we humans are contributing to it.

Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed.
There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have
existed since long before humans were around at all.

Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides.
Some areas are "warming" while others have record snows (as in
Anchorage at the moment).

Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is
inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period
between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have
another one.

Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that
when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to
ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern
hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological
terms.

To assert that "whose who question global warming have a financial or
personal interest in the status quo", though, is the height of
arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in
the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth
and the consequences it may present to me and my family.

In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be
questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that "everyone"
believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent
pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious
person can or should question.

That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every
assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas
in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined
to more closely fit the observed facts.

So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone
who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the
truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or
venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that
ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your
particular orthodoxy of the moment might be.

David

On 2/3/07, Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ron
> Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional
> interest in the status quo.

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Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]

2007-02-03 Thread Terry Dyck

Hi Mike,

The science  which can not be argued with is that 40% more Co2 has 
accumulated in the atmosphere from the time that humans started burning 
fossil fuels.  Also additional methane and other green house gases have 
entered the atmosphere.  We know that some Co2 has to be in our atmosphere 
to keep the sun's heat from escaping into space, however, the extra Co2 is 
heating up our planet.  Who could argue with that?

Terry Dyck


>From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]
>Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:55:04 -0500
>
>Interesting cross post from gasification.
>
> Original Message 
>Subject:   Re: [Strawbale] Global warming
>Date:  Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600
>From:  David Neeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC:SB REPP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of
>either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or
>a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all.
>
>A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and
>popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an "approaching
>ice age." Now, the existence of global warming prompts "scientists" to
>attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question
>the current cant--that "of course" we have global warming and "of
>course" we humans are contributing to it.
>
>Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed.
>There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have
>existed since long before humans were around at all.
>
>Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides.
>Some areas are "warming" while others have record snows (as in
>Anchorage at the moment).
>
>Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is
>inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period
>between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have
>another one.
>
>Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that
>when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to
>ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern
>hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological
>terms.
>
>To assert that "whose who question global warming have a financial or
>personal interest in the status quo", though, is the height of
>arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in
>the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth
>and the consequences it may present to me and my family.
>
>In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be
>questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that "everyone"
>believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent
>pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious
>person can or should question.
>
>That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every
>assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas
>in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined
>to more closely fit the observed facts.
>
>So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone
>who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the
>truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or
>venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that
>ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your
>particular orthodoxy of the moment might be.
>
>David
>
>
>
>On 2/3/07, Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ron
> > Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional
> > interest in the status quo.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Don't worry England will look after you

***13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French**
** fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling  
potato**
** chips are properly called "crisps." Real chips are thick cut, fried in**
** animal fat, and dressed not with mayonnaise but with vinegar.

*This part was meant for Belgium.  We use ketchup.

**20. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her**
** Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the **
**acquisition of all monies due backdated to 1776.

*Isn't this Inland Revenue?

-The Colonies
**

***
leo bunyan wrote:

> **John Cleese's Letter to America***
> ** **
> **To the citizens of the United States of America**
> ** **
> **In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA**
> **and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation**
> **of your independence, effective immediately.**
> ** **
> **Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical**
> **duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except **
> **Kansas , which she does not fancy), as from Monday next.**
> ** **
> **Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for**
> **America without the need for further elections. Congress and 
> the Senate**
> **will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to 
> determine**
> **whether any of you noticed.**
> ** **
> **To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the**
> **following rules are introduced with immediate effect:**
> ** **
> **1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford  English Dictionary.**
> ** **
> **Then look up "aluminium," and check the pronunciation guide. **
> **You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been**
> **pronouncing it.**
> ** **
> **2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour',**
> ** 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell  
> 'doughnut'**
> **without skipping half the letters, and the suffix "ize"  will be 
> replaced by**
> **the suffix "ise."**
> ** **
> **3. You will learn that the suffix 'burgh' is pronounced 'burra';**
> ** you may elect to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you find 
> you simply**
> ** can't cope with correct pronunciation.**
> ** **
> **4. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to**
> ** acceptable levels (look up "vocabulary"). Using the same **
> ** twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like"**
> **and "you know" is unacceptable and *** **inefficient form of 
> communication.***
> ** **
> **5.There is no such thing as " US English." We will let Microsoft**
> ** know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted 
> to take**
> ** account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of "-ize."**
> ** **
> **6. You will relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The**
> ** Queen", but only after fully carrying out Task #1 (see above).**
> ** **
> **7. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. November 2nd**
> ** will be a new national holiday, but to be celebrated only in**
> **  England . It will be called "Come-Uppance Day."**
> ** **
> **8. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns,**
> ** lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and**
> ** therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. **
> **Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough **
> **to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist **
> **then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.**
> ** **
> **9. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry**
> ** anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be **
> **required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.**
> ** **
> **10. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is**
> ** for your own good. When we show you German cars, you**
> ** will  understand what we mean.**
> ** **
> **11. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you**
> ** will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same 
> time,**
> ** you will go metric immediately and without the benefit of conversion**
> ** tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the**
> ** British sense of humour.**
> ** **
> **12. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have**
> ** been calling "gasoline") - roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it.**
> ** **
> **13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French**
> ** fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling  
> potato**
> ** chips are properly called "crisps." Real chips are thick cut, fried 
> in**
> ** animal fat, and dressed not with mayonnaise but with vinegar.**
> ** **
> **14. Waiters and waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive**
> ** with customers.**
> ** **
> **15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not**
> ** actually be

Re: [Biofuel] Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study

:-)

I think we've about got it right now.

Best

Keith

Yeah, they've been profiting for years from their actions that promote global warming, so one years worth profits is really a very small amount to ask for. Not to mention that their lobbying efforts have resulted in much greater emissions of carbon that just the oil they've sold, by reducing awareness and political motivation to do anything in the most polluting country in the world. I'm afraid that the only fair thing to ask is that they dissolve the company completely and reduce the CEO and cronies to begging for change in the inner city streets of Flint Michigan. Or better yet, coastal Bangladesh. But, it is fair to put such a burden on the people of Bangladesh to support the Exxon executives as beggars, when they are already feeling the effects of global warming? That's the real question of fairness here.

Anyway, why not up the price to the total cost of damage caused and
yet to be caused by all carbon emissions associated with ExxonMobil
since, when, since James Hansen's climate change speech to the US
Congress in 1988?

Hey, isn't capitalism wonderful.

Best

Keith

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[Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [Strawbale] Global warming]

Interesting cross post from gasification.

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [Strawbale] Global warming
Date:   Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:14:34 -0600
From:   David Neeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ron Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: SB REPP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I think it's interesting the amount of religious-like acceptance of
either a belief in human contribution to a supposed global warming, or
a rejection that such a thing is even happening at all.

A very few years ago, there were serious scientific discussions and
popular magazine covers regarding global *cooling* and an "approaching
ice age." Now, the existence of global warming prompts "scientists" to
attempt to drum out of the corps of science those who dare question
the current cant--that "of course" we have global warming and "of
course" we humans are contributing to it.

Best as I can tell, evidence on all sides is most definitely mixed.
There is a fairly good argument that cooling and warming trends have
existed since long before humans were around at all.

Local weather conditions, too, are at best highly unreliable guides.
Some areas are "warming" while others have record snows (as in
Anchorage at the moment).

Personally, the only thing I am convinced of is that change is
inevitable. I tend to think we've been in the rather balmy period
between ice ages and that sooner or later we are likely to have
another one.

Interestingly enough, the geological record seems to indicate that
when an ice age comes upon the earth, we go from a climate similar to
ours now to ice covering a good part of the Northern and Southern
hemispheres in about fifty years--less than an eyeblink in geological
terms.

To assert that "whose who question global warming have a financial or
personal interest in the status quo", though, is the height of
arrogance. I, for one, have no stake either financial or personal in
the issue beyond an obvious interest in trying to determine the truth
and the consequences it may present to me and my family.

In the Dark Ages, the particular religious cant that could not be
questioned was the prevailing religious tenets that "everyone"
believed. Today, it seems to be global warming and its frequent
pseudo-scientific corollary that this is something that no serious
person can or should question.

That, friends, is BS. The *first* tenet of science is that every
assertion can and must be questioned over and over again to find areas
in which it may lack in rigor and in which the notion may be refined
to more closely fit the observed facts.

So--kindly don't try to enforce such claptrap upon me or upon anyone
who attempts to arrive over time at better approximations of the
truth. Trying to relegate us to motives that may be self-serving or
venal only goes so far, mostly upon the equally addle-pated that
ascribe evil motives to any who don't readily agree with whatever your
particular orthodoxy of the moment might be.

David

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> Ron
> Those who question global warming have a financial or emotional
> interest in the status quo.

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Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian

Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open
 and chain the  Pens to the counters.

Or my favorite here in the states - having Braille at the drive up 
windows for the ATM


Zeke Yewdall wrote:

> Sounds like the US to me
> Z
>
> On 2/3/07, *Jesse Frayne* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> I donno, Leo,
> This sounds exactly like Canada
> Jesse
>
> --- leo bunyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > MAATE!
> >
> > Being Australian is about driving in a German car to
> > an Irish pub
> > for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing
> > an Indian curry or a
> > Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish
> > furniture and watch American
> > shows on a Japanese TV.
> > Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get
> > to your house
> > faster than an ambulance.
> > Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick
> > people walk all the
> > way to the back of the shop to get their
> > prescriptions while healthy
> > people can buy cigarettes at the front.
> > Only in Australia ... do people order double
> > cheese-burgers, large
> > Fries and a DIET coke.
> > Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open
> > and chain the
> > Pens to the counters.
> > Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth
> > thousands of dollars on
> > the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in
> > the garage.
> > Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines
> > to screen calls
> > and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call
> > from someone we
> > didn't want to talk to in the first place.
> > Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking
> > places in front of
> > a skating rink.
> > NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if
> > a 9v battery
> > works on their tongue.
> > 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all
> > pins From new
> > shirts.
> > 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp
> > knives instead of
> > screwdrivers.
> > 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their
> > Christmas tree
> > while the fairy lights were plugged in.
> > 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new
> > jumper with a
> > lit cigarette in their mouth.
> > A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in
> > the last two
> > years after opening bottles of beer with their
> > Teeth.
> > And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their
> > skull whilst
> > throwing up into the toilet.
> >
> > IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON!
> > HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY
> >
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> >  Send instant messages to your online friends
> > http://au.messenger.yahoo.com  >
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Re: [Biofuel] Blood of the Earth: Dilip Hiro on the Battle for the World's Vanishing Oil Resources

>Keith,
>Thanks for this article, it is a great description of the oil 
>problems that the world is facing today, the development of 
>alternative fuels is so necessary to the lifeline of the human race.
>A. Griffith

You're welcome A.G., glad you liked it. Dilip Hiro's been writing 
about this stuff for a long time, I first encountered him in 1978.

Alternative fuels, yes, and an alternative outlook to go with them, 
such as use less and use it better.

Best

Keith


>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/31/1543222
>Democracy Now! |
>Wednesday, January 31st, 2007
>
>Blood of the Earth: Dilip Hiro on the Battle for the World's
>Vanishing Oil Resources
>
>In his new book, veteran Middle East Journalist Dilip Hiro offers a
>detailed account of how and why the planet's limited supply of oil
>has come to revolutionize human behavior, politics and warfare across
>the globe. He joins us for a wide-ranging interview. [includes rush
>transcript]
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Re: [Biofuel] Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study

US20.00 to back off the Biofuels bandwagon.

Keith Addison wrote:

> :-)
>
> I think we've about got it right now.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
> Yeah, they've been profiting for years from their actions that
> promote global warming, so one years worth profits is really a
> very small amount to ask for. Not to mention that their lobbying
> efforts have resulted in much greater emissions of carbon that
> just the oil they've sold, by reducing awareness and political
> motivation to do anything in the most polluting country in the
> world. I'm afraid that the only fair thing to ask is that they
> dissolve the company completely and reduce the CEO and cronies to
> begging for change in the inner city streets of Flint Michigan. Or
> better yet, coastal Bangladesh. But, it is fair to put such a
> burden on the people of Bangladesh to support the Exxon executives
> as beggars, when they are already feeling the effects of global
> warming? That's the real question of fairness here.
>
> Z
>
>
>
> Anyway, why not up the price to the total cost of damage caused and
> yet to be caused by all carbon emissions associated with ExxonMobil
> since, when, since James Hansen's climate change speech to the US
> Congress in 1988?
>
> Hey, isn't capitalism wonderful.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc

This idea might be quite easy to adapt.

http://journeytoforever.org/edu_cardboard.html#column
Growing columns

Instead of cardboard I think 3/8" wire screen (I think you call it 
hardware cloth in the US) will hold soil vertical, if it's rich 
well-composted soil, especially if you cover it with some sort of 
mulch.

Best

Keith


>i like the idea, but i dont favor the design. i would think that to 
>get the soil packed down hard enough to keep it in place would 
>damage the quality of it. is there some detail ive missed, such as a 
>lid or something?
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Zeke Yewdall
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc
>
>Now these are neat!  I think I've just added something to the 
>renovation plans for my house.  Onsite indoor air quality 
>improvement, not to mention all the other benefits of having plants 
>around instead of all man-made surfaces.
>
>Z
>
>On 2/2/07, fujee01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Sorry, this link is better
>
>
>
>http://www.e 
>ltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html
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>
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[Biofuel] Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

2007-02-03 Thread Jesse Frayne

http://www.ipcc.ch/


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Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian


Sounds like the US to me
Z

On 2/3/07, Jesse Frayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I donno, Leo,
This sounds exactly like Canada
Jesse

--- leo bunyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> MAATE!
>
> Being Australian is about driving in a German car to
> an Irish pub
> for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing
> an Indian curry or a
> Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish
> furniture and watch American
> shows on a Japanese TV.
> Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get
> to your house
> faster than an ambulance.
> Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick
> people walk all the
> way to the back of the shop to get their
> prescriptions while healthy
> people can buy cigarettes at the front.
> Only in Australia ... do people order double
> cheese-burgers, large
> Fries and a DIET coke.
> Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open
> and chain the
> Pens to the counters.
> Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth
> thousands of dollars on
> the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in
> the garage.
> Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines
> to screen calls
> and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call
> from someone we
> didn't want to talk to in the first place.
> Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking
> places in front of
> a skating rink.
> NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if
> a 9v battery
> works on their tongue.
> 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all
> pins From new
> shirts.
> 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp
> knives instead of
> screwdrivers.
> 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their
> Christmas tree
> while the fairy lights were plugged in.
> 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new
> jumper with a
> lit cigarette in their mouth.
> A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in
> the last two
> years after opening bottles of beer with their
> Teeth.
> And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their
> skull whilst
> throwing up into the toilet.
>
> IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON!
> HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY
>
>
>
>  Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://au.messenger.yahoo.com >
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Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc


From their pictures it looks like it's actually lots of little backwards

tilting shelfs with soil on them. No different than a pot really, except
that there are lots of them mounted above each other.  And then there is
some sort of watering system built into that.

Z

On 2/3/07, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 i like the idea, but i dont favor the design. i would think that to get
the soil packed down hard enough to keep it in place would damage the
quality of it. is there some detail ive missed, such as a lid or something?

- Original Message -
*From:* Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc

Now these are neat!  I think I've just added something to the renovation
plans for my house.  Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention
all the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made
surfaces.

Z

On 2/2/07, fujee01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sorry, this link is better
>
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> http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc

2007-02-03 Thread Jason& Katie

i like the idea, but i dont favor the design. i would think that to get the 
soil packed down hard enough to keep it in place would damage the quality of 
it. is there some detail ive missed, such as a lid or something?
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc

  Now these are neat!  I think I've just added something to the renovation 
plans for my house.  Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention all 
the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made surfaces. 

  Z

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Re: [Biofuel] Being Australian

2007-02-03 Thread Jesse Frayne

I donno, Leo,
This sounds exactly like Canada
Jesse

--- leo bunyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> MAATE!
> 
> Being Australian is about driving in a German car to
> an Irish pub 
> for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing
> an Indian curry or a 
> Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish
> furniture and watch American 
> shows on a Japanese TV.
> Oh and.. Only in Australia ... can a pizza get
> to your house 
> faster than an ambulance.
> Only in Australia ... do supermarkets make sick
> people walk all the 
> way to the back of the shop to get their
> prescriptions while healthy 
> people can buy cigarettes at the front.
> Only in Australia ... do people order double
> cheese-burgers, large 
> Fries and a DIET coke.
> Only in Australia ... do banks leave both doors open
> and chain the 
> Pens to the counters.
> Only in Australia ... do we leave cars worth
> thousands of dollars on 
> the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in
> the garage.
> Only in Australia ... do we use answering machines
> to screen calls 
> and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call
> from someone we 
> didn't want to talk to in the first place.
> Only in Australia ... are there disabled parking
> places in front of 
> a skating rink.
> NOT TO MENTION...3 Aussies die each year testing if
> a 9v battery 
> works on their tongue.
> 142 Aussies were injured in 1999 by not removing all
> pins From new 
> shirts.
> 58 Aussies are injured each year by using sharp
> knives instead of 
> screwdrivers.
> 31 Aussies have died since 1996 by watering their
> Christmas tree 
> while the fairy lights were plugged in.
> 8 Aussies had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new
> jumper with a 
> lit cigarette in their mouth.
> A massive 543 Aussies were admitted to Emergency in
> the last two 
> years after opening bottles of beer with their
> Teeth.
> And finally In 2000 eight Aussies cracked their
> skull whilst 
> throwing up into the toilet.
> 
> IF YOU'RE PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN SEND THIS ON!
> HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY
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Re: [Biofuel] living walls, roof, etc


Now these are neat!  I think I've just added something to the renovation
plans for my house.  Onsite indoor air quality improvement, not to mention
all the other benefits of having plants around instead of all man-made
surfaces.

Z

On 2/2/07, fujee01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sorry, this link is better



http://www.eltlivingwalls.com/livingwall-projects.html

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Re: [Biofuel] Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study


Yeah, they've been profiting for years from their actions that promote
global warming, so one years worth profits is really a very small amount to
ask for.  Not to mention that their lobbying efforts have resulted in much
greater emissions of carbon that just the oil they've sold, by reducing
awareness and political motivation to do anything in the most polluting
country in the world.   I'm afraid that the only fair thing to ask is that
they dissolve the company completely and reduce the CEO and cronies to
begging for change in the inner city streets of Flint Michigan.  Or better
yet, coastal Bangladesh.  But, it is fair to put such a burden on the people
of Bangladesh to support the Exxon executives as beggars, when they are
already feeling the effects of global warming?  That's the real question of
fairness here.

Z




Anyway, why not up the price to the total cost of damage caused and
yet to be caused by all carbon emissions associated with ExxonMobil
since, when, since James Hansen's climate change speech to the US
Congress in 1988?

Hey, isn't capitalism wonderful.

Best

Keith



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[Biofuel] Don't worry England will look after you

2007-02-03 Thread leo bunyan

John Cleese's Letter to America
 
To the citizens of the United States of  America
 
In light of your failure to elect a  competent President of the USA
and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice  of the revocation
of your independence, effective  immediately.
 
Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II,  will resume monarchical
duties over all states, commonwealths and  other territories (except 
  Kansas , which she does not fancy), as from  Monday next.
 
Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint  a governor for
  America without the need for further elections. Congress  and the Senate
will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be  circulated next year to determine
whether any of you  noticed.
 
To aid in the transition to a British  Crown Dependency, the
following rules are introduced with  immediate effect:
 
1. You should look up "revocation" in the   Oxford   English Dictionary.
 
Then look up "aluminium," and check  the pronunciation guide. 
You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have  been
pronouncing  it.
 
2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words  such as 'colour',
 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will  learn to spell  'doughnut'
without skipping half the letters, and the  suffix "ize"  will be replaced  by
the suffix  "ise."
 
3. You will learn that the suffix 'burgh'  is pronounced 'burra';
 you may elect to respell   Pittsburgh as  'Pittsberg' if you find you simply
 can't cope with correct  pronunciation.
 
4. Generally, you will be expected to raise  your vocabulary to
 acceptable levels (look up "vocabulary"). Using the  same 
 twenty-seven words interspersed with filler  noises such as "like"
and "you know" is unacceptable  and  inefficient form  of communication.
 
5.There is no such thing as "   US  English." We will let Microsoft
 know on your behalf. The Microsoft  spell-checker will be adjusted to  take
 account of the reinstated letter 'u' and  the elimination of "-ize."
 
6. You will relearn your original national  anthem, "God Save The
 Queen", but only after fully carrying out Task  #1 (see above).
 
7. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as  a holiday. November 2nd
 will be a new national holiday, but to be  celebrated only in
England  . It will be called "Come-Uppance Day."
 
8. You will learn to resolve personal issues  without using guns,
 lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need  so many lawyers and
 therapists shows that you're not adult enough to  be independent. 
Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're  not adult enough 
to sort things out without suing someone or  speaking to a therapist 
then you're not grown up enough to handle a  gun.
 
9. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to  own or carry
 anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler.  A permit will be 
required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler  in public.
 
10. All American cars are hereby banned. They  are crap and this is
 for your own good. When we show you German cars,  you
 will  understand what we  mean.
 
11. All intersections will be replaced  with roundabouts, and you
 will start driving on the left with  immediate effect. At the same time,
 you will go metric immediately and without  the benefit of conversion
 tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will  help you understand the
 British sense of  humour.
 
12. The Former   USA will adopt UK  prices on petrol (which you have
 been calling "gasoline") - roughly $6/US gallon.  Get used to it.
 
13. You will learn to make real chips. Those  things you call French
 fries are not real chips, and those things  you insist on calling  potato
 chips are properly called "crisps." Real chips  are thick cut, fried in
 animal fat, and dressed not with mayonnaise but  with vinegar.
 
14. Waiters and waitresses will be trained to  be more aggressive
 with  customers.
 
15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on  calling beer is not
 actually beer at all. Henceforth, only  proper British Bitter will be
 referred to as "beer," and European brews of  known and accepted 
provenance will be referred to as "Lager."  American brands will be 
referred to as "Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine," so  that all can be sold 
without risk of further  confusion.
 
16.   Hollywood will be  required occasionally to cast English  actors
 as  good guys.   Hollywood will also be  required to cast  English actors
 to play English characters. Watching Andie  MacDowell attempt English
 dialogue in "Four Weddings and a Funeral" was  an experience akin 
to having one's ears removed with a cheese  grater.
 
17. You will cease playing American  "football." There is only one
 kind of proper football; you call it "soccer".  Those of you brave 
enough will, in time, will be allowed to play  rugby (which has some 
similarities to American "football", but does  not involve stopping 
for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing  full kevlar body armour 
like a bunch of  nancies).
 
18. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It  is not re

Re: [Biofuel] Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study