Re: [Biofuel] China India: Following Our Lead ... And Our Money
I said this B4 and ill agree again . Yep! - Swc Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/china_india_following_our_lead_and_ou r_money?tx=3 China India: Following Our Lead ... And Our Money Submitted by Bill Scher on August 13, 2007 - 6:28pm. As I've noted before, conservatives like to use China's and India's increasing carbon pollution as an excuse to do nothing on global warming, Of course, all they're doing is following our dirty lead. But, as the Los Angeles Times reports, they're not just following our lead. They're following our money. At the Group of 8 summit of world leaders in June, President Bush repeated his calls for developing nations to curb their emissions of greenhouse gases ... We all can make major strides, and yet there won't be a reduction until China and India are participants, he told reporters. But just weeks earlier, the U.S. government had pledged to help finance one of the world's most advanced oil refineries, taking shape in Jamnagar, India. The facility ... will annually emit nearly 9 million metric tons of carbon dioxide -- the major contributor to global warming -- into the atmosphere. This is not an isolated incident, but long-standing, short-sighted policy: The Jamnagar refinery is one of hundreds of fossil-fuel projects built with the help of U.S.-controlled funding agencies. Since 1995, when the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change agreed there was a discernible human influence on global warming, the United States has helped finance power plants, liquefied natural gas processors, oil pipelines and the like in more than 40 countries -- in effect extending America's carbon footprint well past this nation's borders. ... From 1995 to 2006, the [Export-Import] Bank and [Overseas Private Investment Corporation] provided more than $21 billion in loans and loan guarantees for oil refineries, pipeline projects, liquefied natural gas plants and electric power plants around the world. A snapshot of the environmental impact can be seen in a sample of projects subsidized in Russia, Mexico, Venezuela, Algeria, China, Brazil, Turkey and India. Those 48 projects alone will be responsible for at least 12 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions over their lifetime, or at least 600 million metric tons annually, according to a Times analysis of data provided by Friends of the Earth. The organization used data from the lending agencies' records, and emissions were calculated by analyst Richard Heede of Climate Mitigation Services, a private Colorado firm. CO2 figures were not available for more than 150 additional projects in those eight countries. Heede, who has provided research for plaintiffs suing the banks over their lending policies, wrote in court documents that the Ex-Im Bank and OPIC were responsible for more than 7% of the world's annual carbon dioxide emissions. In 2003, he wrote, the two investment funds' projects were to blame for an amount of CO2 overseas roughly equivalent to one-third of U.S. carbon emissions. The latest global warming bills being crafted in the Senate seek to pressure China and India by threatening trade penalties. Such a stick is sensible, if there's a carrot going along with it. But we're not giving them carrots. We're giving them lumps of coal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B-99 in my gas tank...
Ever since I made biofuel I woundered how it would work in a spark plug engine, : LOL Drain it!!. Have had the worst results in my Kawasaki twin 28HP comercial lawn mower.( 4 stroke) It has twin tanks and so i thought i would mix up half a gallon b100 into 4.5 gallons gasoline, resulting in having to uncoke the spark plug with my torch twice and listen to the old lady complain its not running good. Also tryed it in my Honda 5hp 2pump. poor thing didnt like the fuel there either LOL however , I have had great success substituting B100 in place of two stroke oil in my weed eater, chainsaws, and Stihl construction saw. ( I use these daily and am pushing 100 hours on them apeice. If you reeffer unit is a four stroke I dont recommend using it as an additive any more than 40:1 ratio. R George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new employee of mine mistakenly put 2 gallons of B99 in the gasoline tank for a small gas-powered reefer unit on our Isuzu NPR. I'm guessing the mix is now 8 gallons gasoline to 2 gallons BioDiesel. Do I need to drain the tank, or will it run through OK? Thanks for the input. George www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed. The developing countries are following the path of the developed world and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their ability to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems improve their population will boom, compounding the effect. Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the sustainable population for our planet? We see the depletion of natural resources, in our lifetime, like no other. We see politicians promoting profit by population growth like there are no limits. We are biological, living on this space bound bubble, limited in resources, limits disregarded by financial models, by which politicians and corporations live. Time to get your heads out of the sand. Decisions made now, in our lifetime will determine the future for our children (and perhaps ourselves if change is rapid). Commerce is just as finite as our natural resources. We should be looking at a sustainable market, we should make long life products, durable, repairable and upgradeable/ extensible. We consumers should expect and demand these criteria, too much is disposable in just a few years. We do not want to follow the example of bacteria/moulds/yeasts/ rodents, boom and bust. The devastation of millions of dead/dying people fighting each other for the few remaining resources. Lee ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: [SANE Views Vol.7, No.23] A Game as Old as Empire.
- Forwarded Message From: SANE Publications [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SANE Views [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2007 10:46:23 AM Subject: [SANE Views Vol.7, No.23] A Game as Old as Empire. SANE VIEWS Vol. 7, No. 23, 16 August 2007 A Game as Old as Empire. The Secret World of Economic Hit Men and the Web of Global Corruption. Edited by Steven Hiatt Berrett-Koehler Publishers, San Francisco Reviewer: Margaret Legum This book will turn you up. And keep you reading. It comprises the personal accounts of people who know from inside from personal involvement how global financial relationships work. It will fascinate professionals and lay people alike. It is a sequel to John Perkins Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, which was published two years ago, and which, despite making the best-seller lists, received very little notice in the American press. The explanation given concerned doubts as to its representatively. Could such cynical exploitation of poor people by corporate entities and government agents be widespread, or just a frightful exception? This new multi-authored book shows that judgement to have been wide off the mark. The stories it tells will keep you goggle-eyed. All the authors had everything to lose, and nothing to gain, by coming clean. The topics include the way that bankers cover for each other, allowing, for instance, millions of people to be destituted by the eventual bankruptcy of BCCI; exploitation of the rare resources of a country like DRC so that we might have cheap cell phones; the abandonment of poor communities to death via environmental destruction, because the oil companies ensure a revolving door for politicians and senior civil servants; how international funds flow, via the Bretton Woods institutions straight into the pockets of top people; how export credit agencies, using public funds, operate in secret with the sole purpose of selling a countries goods, regardless of whether it will benefit the countries concerned. John Christensens account, for example, of the secret world of offshore banking details the tide of money flowing into offshore tax havens astonishingly mostly with the agreement of governments, who thereby lose billions in revenue. Tax evasion, kickbacks, capital flight and money laundering for the drug trade and other illicit activities carry on under the cover of client secrecy. But far from welcoming the Tax Justice Network, which Christensen directs, for revealing this activity, governments are reluctant to seek agreement to end it. The fear of corporate revenge is endemic in all governments. Ellen Augustines chapter on the Philippines is a classic example of how destitute economic theory and practice inevitably produce a wealthy small elite and a work force competing in the race to the bottom in terms of wages. What that means is that a powerful multi-national interest has only to get the elite under its control to become the controlling force regardless of the results of elections. The end result of that global control by powerful corporations, backed by governments, is that money flows consistently from poor countries to rich ones. It is a Marshall Plan in reverse. The debt crisis for poor countries, starting in the 1980s, was itself created to deal with the global over-supply of petro-dollars. The repayment made increasingly impossible by structural adjustment policies imposed as condition for the loans now amounts to something like twenty times the value of foreign aid. The book ends with an account by Antonia Juhasz of the state of the global justice movement, which aims to take back control of democratically elected governments. This issue, and all previous issues of SANE Views, is available from the SANE web site at http://www.sane.org.za/docs/views/index.htm Subscribing to the SANE Views mailing list To subscribe to the SANE Views mailing list go to the SANE web site at http://www.sane.org.za/misc/forum.htm ...or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following in the body of your message: subscribe sane-views Firstname Surname ... where 'Firstname Surname' is your full name. Unsubscribing from the SANE Views mailing list To Unsubscribe from the SANE Views mailing list go to the SANE web site at http://www.sane.org.za/misc/forum.htm ...or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following in the body of your message: unsubscribe sane-views Subscribe to SANE News Subscribe to SANE News and receive news about SANE meetings and events in your area. Go to http://www.sane.org.za/misc/forum.htm Subscribe to SANE Forum SANE also runs the SANE Forum Mailing List which is an open forum for discussing New Economics issues. Go to http://www.sane.org.za/misc/forum.htm to join. The Community Exchange System (CES) Experience New Economics for real. Join the SANE Community
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
Hello Lee It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed. US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition Americas 26 July 2007 But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and rash behaviour is Washington. The developing countries are following the path of the developed world I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active resistance. To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be a gross simplification. And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the industrialised nations. Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers. and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their ability to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems improve their population will boom, compounding the effect. On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There are better ways. Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the sustainable population for our planet? It depends how big your feet are. I said this here the other day: ... There is NO shortage of food, and there is NO shortage of money, in fact there's more of both, PER CAPITA, than there's ever been before. Nor is the human eco-footprint outsized, except for some of it, which - surprise! - you'll find in exactly the same places where you'll find all the money, all the food, and all the silly ideas too that we're a cancer on the face of the planet and a few billion of us are just going to have to die, pity, but at least it's not us because we're not poor and starving. I lifted that from here: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57949.html Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits? Overpopulation is a myth, quite an obnoxious one actually. We see the depletion of natural resources, in our lifetime, like no other. Is that because of human overpopulation, or because some nations are addicted to over-consumption and waste, extracting, consuming and wasting a vastly disproportionate and inequitable share of the world's resources? With 5% of the population consuming 25% of the world's energy supply and emitting a third of the greenhouse gases, the US is way out in front when it comes to over-consumption and waste, especially of other people's resources. But all the industrialised nations are included in that, and you also have to include the elites in the other countries, even when that country's overall footprint is small - and you have to exclude the very large and rapidly growing number of poor people in the US, for instance. So it emerges that the depletion of natural resources and the various other impending disasters which are obviously unsustainable are due to a particular sector of the human community, which is not even close to a majority. How can over-population be the problem then? When you examine this culprit sector more closely, what you find isn't a human community, it's mainly the corporate sector, with its dependent political and government sectors, armed with a
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
I'm surprised and disappointed at this. It's totally false and misleading. The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq. We lose much better weapons. AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware WE'VE lost track off. If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the facts straight. Jeez, -'Merika Keith Addison wrote: Hello Lee It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed. US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition Americas 26 July 2007 But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and rash behaviour is Washington. The developing countries are following the path of the developed world I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active resistance. To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be a gross simplification. And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the industrialised nations. Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers. and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their ability to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems improve their population will boom, compounding the effect. On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There are better ways. Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the sustainable population for our planet? It depends how big your feet are. I said this here the other day: ... There is NO shortage of food, and there is NO shortage of money, in fact there's more of both, PER CAPITA, than there's ever been before. Nor is the human eco-footprint outsized, except for some of it, which - surprise! - you'll find in exactly the same places where you'll find all the money, all the food, and all the silly ideas too that we're a cancer on the face of the planet and a few billion of us are just going to have to die, pity, but at least it's not us because we're not poor and starving. I lifted that from here: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57949.html Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits? Overpopulation is a myth, quite an obnoxious one actually. We see the depletion of natural resources, in our lifetime, like no other. Is that because of human overpopulation, or because some nations are addicted to over-consumption and waste, extracting, consuming and wasting a vastly disproportionate and inequitable share of the world's resources? With 5% of the population consuming 25% of the world's energy supply and emitting a third of the greenhouse gases, the US is way out in front when it comes to over-consumption and waste, especially of other people's resources. But all the industrialised nations are included in that, and you also have to include the elites in the other countries, even when that country's overall footprint is small - and you have to exclude the very large and rapidly growing number of poor people in the US, for instance. So it emerges that the depletion of natural resources and the various other
[Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right
I almost never forward these things, but this is unbelieveable. Click here to check out the video. http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879id=10983-8084785-uDWw_zt=1 Dear Michael, This weekend, we came across a pretty remarkable snippet of video online. You've really got to see it to believe it. Just click here to check it out: http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879id=10983-8084785-uDWw_zt=2 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879id=10983-8084785-uDWw_zt=2 And if you're as amazed, saddened, and angered as we are—pass it on to a friend, neighbor, or co-worker and help make sure people all over the country see it. Thanks for all you do. –Nita, Laura, Eli, Justin and the Moveon.org Political Action Team Wednesday, August 15th, 2007 PAID FOR BY MOVEON.ORG POLITICAL ACTION, http://pol.moveon.org/ Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. *Subscription Management:* This is a message from MoveOn.org Political Action. To change your email address, update your contact info, or remove yourself (Michael J Weaver) from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=10983-8084785-uDWw_z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right
Well, unfortunately, it's actually quite believable. Bushco has repeatedly completely changed their position on major issues in the hopes that everyone forgot what they said earlier. And somehow they labeled Kerry the flip flopper ? On 8/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I almost never forward these things, but this is unbelieveable. Click here to check out the video. http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879id=10983-8084785-uDWw_zt=1 Dear Michael, This weekend, we came across a pretty remarkable snippet of video online. You've really got to see it to believe it. Just click here to check it out: http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879id=10983-8084785-uDWw_zt=2 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879id=10983-8084785-uDWw_zt=2 And if you're as amazed, saddened, and angered as we are—pass it on to a friend, neighbor, or co-worker and help make sure people all over the country see it. Thanks for all you do. –Nita, Laura, Eli, Justin and the Moveon.org Political Action Team Wednesday, August 15th, 2007 PAID FOR BY MOVEON.ORG POLITICAL ACTION, http://pol.moveon.org/ Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. *Subscription Management:* This is a message from MoveOn.org Political Action. To change your email address, update your contact info, or remove yourself (Michael J Weaver) from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=10983-8084785-uDWw_z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
On 8/16/07, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. Statistically, this probably is true. But in my experience, portions of the US are not doing very well at this. The Mormon church in Utah (about 60 of my relatives) still seems to be averaging 4 or more children per family, even in good economic situations. True, this is way less than alot of the developing world, but still way higher than most of the developed world. I'm not as familiar with the evangelical movement in the US, but I get them impression that empowering women is not a high priority of theirs either. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
I am a bit lost, I thought that AK-47 was the most popular Russian, high quality, reliable weapon. How come that the American lost them. According to the law of business, they should have been destroyed and replaced by an American weapons, which would make the enemy less dangerous. 250,000 bullets/soldier only prove the support of the American industry, I doubt that they have been fired. This means that the average American soldier spent around 23 hours only firing his weapon, sound very high, but the US soldiers are a trigger happy bunch and it is very dangerous to be close to them. The casualties in friendly fire are understandable, but amazing, considering that it is a non drafted and professional army. LOL You should also consider that in every war, it is many soldiers that never fire his gun in a real situation. The safety zone around an American soldier must be around 1,000 m, no wonder that they have difficulties getting terrorists and kill so much innocent civilians, who does not know better. Hakan At 16:57 15/08/2007, you wrote: I'm surprised and disappointed at this. It's totally false and misleading. The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq. We lose much better weapons. AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware WE'VE lost track off. If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the facts straight. Jeez, -'Merika Keith Addison wrote: Hello Lee It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed. US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition Americas 26 July 2007 But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and rash behaviour is Washington. The developing countries are following the path of the developed world I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active resistance. To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be a gross simplification. And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the industrialised nations. Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers. and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their ability to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems improve their population will boom, compounding the effect. On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There are better ways. Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the sustainable population for our planet? It depends how big your feet are. I said this here the other day: ... There is NO shortage of food, and there is NO shortage of money, in fact there's more of both, PER CAPITA, than there's ever been before. Nor is the human eco-footprint outsized, except for some of it, which - surprise! - you'll find in exactly the same places where you'll find all the money, all the food, and all the silly ideas too that we're a cancer on the face of the planet and a few billion of us are just going to have to die, pity, but at least it's not us because we're not poor and starving.
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
Keith Addison wrote: Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hey Jeromie, BIG SNIP A fear of traffic accidents, paedophiles or bullies, and the growth of home electronic entertainment, has meant a whole generation are growing up without the joys of playing free in their neighbourhood. BIG SNIP On a side note; Here in the US, I have a close and old friend, who's wife is an 'education professional' (teacher in old-speek). She has spend decades teaching 'Earth Science' to secondary school students. (It's funny, as I like to think I pay attention to ecological and environmental issues, but it's very difficult to suprise her at all) Anyway, she's been spending this summer at a series of lectures and workshops put together to address the fundamental changes that have taken place in the way young people learn. That would be fundamental changes in the way people learn, as a direct result in the fundamental changes in they they play. The implications of this stagger me. All implied, but I find it pretty staggering none the less. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
What you should really be scared of: The 6 Most Over-Hyped Threats to America (And What Should Scare You Instead) http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=Newssid=2312 http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=Newssid=2312 A fear of traffic accidents, paedophiles or bullies, and the growth of home electronic entertainment, has meant a whole generation are growing up without the joys of playing free in their neighbourhood. BIG SNIP On a side note; Here in the US, I have a close and old friend, who's wife is an 'education professional' (teacher in old-speek). She has spend decades teaching 'Earth Science' to secondary school students. (It's funny, as I like to think I pay attention to ecological and environmental issues, but it's very difficult to suprise her at all) Anyway, she's been spending this summer at a series of lectures and workshops put together to address the fundamental changes that have taken place in the way young people learn. That would be fundamental changes in the way people learn, as a direct result in the fundamental changes in they they play. The implications of this stagger me. All implied, but I find it pretty staggering none the less. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B-99 in my gas tank...
I did try about a B20/RFG80 mixture in a 4 cycle cheapo lawnmower once... it would fire right up, with a bit of white smoke, but the carbureator was a syphon design sitting on top of the gas tank, and could not handle the higher viscosity of the biodiesel mixture, so it would not run more than a few seconds before starving. Prime it with the rubber primer bulb, and it would fire right back up again I still want to try it in a fuel injected engine which should be able to handle the higher viscosity better, and see if the white smoke would go away after it warmed up. Sounds like it might coke the spark plug though -- probably similar to an engine with really bad rings. Z On 8/15/07, Roderick Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since I made biofuel I woundered how it would work in a spark plug engine, : LOL Drain it!!. Have had the worst results in my Kawasaki twin 28HP comercial lawn mower.( 4 stroke) It has twin tanks and so i thought i would mix up half a gallon b100 into 4.5 gallons gasoline, resulting in having to uncoke the spark plug with my torch twice and listen to the old lady complain its not running good. Also tryed it in my Honda 5hp 2pump. poor thing didnt like the fuel there either LOL however , I have had great success substituting B100 in place of two stroke oil in my weed eater, chainsaws, and Stihl construction saw. ( I use these daily and am pushing 100 hours on them apeice. If you reeffer unit is a four stroke I dont recommend using it as an additive any more than 40:1 ratio. R George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new employee of mine mistakenly put 2 gallons of B99 in the gasoline tank for a small gas-powered reefer unit on our Isuzu NPR. I'm guessing the mix is now 8 gallons gasoline to 2 gallons BioDiesel. Do I need to drain the tank, or will it run through OK? Thanks for the input. George www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B-99 in my gas tank...
I did try about a B20/RFG80 mixture in a 4 cycle cheapo lawnmower once... it would fire right up, with a bit of white smoke, but the carbureator was a syphon design sitting on top of the gas tank, and could not handle the higher viscosity of the biodiesel mixture, so it would not run more than a few seconds before starving. Prime it with the rubber primer bulb, and it would fire right back up again I still want to try it in a fuel injected engine which should be able to handle the higher viscosity better, and see if the white smoke would go away after it warmed up. Sounds like it might coke the spark plug though -- probably similar to an engine with really bad rings. Z Hello Zeke http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas Biodiesel in gasoline engines Scroll down to Biodiesel in 4-stroke gasoline engines. Biodiesel in 4-stroke gasoline engines: List member Gregg Davidson wrote: In June of this year, I posed a question about Biodiesel in gasoline engines. I received a reply from list member JC in Taipei. He advised me that he had mixed biodiesel with gasoline for his car, using no more than a 15% mix. I have had success following his example and had no engine problems. One of the three vehicles I tested this in is a Chrysler Town Country mini van with a 3.3 L V-6 Flex Fuel Engine, the other two are Jeep Grand Cherokees with 4.0 L I-6 engines. Even though the van can run on E-85, I do not use ethanol blends because E-85 is not available in my home state of Georgia. -- Gregg Davidson, October 2004 Franklin Del Rosario wrote: I'm please to inform our group about using a biodiesel blend with gasoline fuel to power a 4-stroke gasoline engine. The company I work with has a fleet of service cars, most of them are Japanese Nissan, Toyota and Honda. I persuaded one of our company drivers to try biodiesel in a gasoline engine at 200-300 ml of biodiesel to 50 litres of gasoline mixed together in the fuel tank. We choose a Nissan Cefiro because it emitted a foul odor of unburned hydrocarbons irritating to the eyes and nose during engine warm up and idling. I poured 200 ml of biodiesel into the tank, shook the body for a while and started the engine. After 5 to 7 minutes of idling speed, the exhaust odor improved dramatically and at the end of the day of driving the odor of unburned hydrocarbon was gone and engine purred better than before because biodiesel lubricates the fuel system, the upper combustion chamber, as well as the valve ports. Because of this other drivers tried it in Honda cars. The immediate result was no more odor of unburned hydrocarbons and visible trace of water condensation at the exhaust tail pipe as if the car was new. I tried using biodiesel as an anti-wear additive for a four-stroke gasoline motorcycle engine and the result was the same. My friend owns a surplus service car, a gasoline engine Toyota. His car was due for the yearly renewal of LTO registration, and he had a problem because his old car smoked badly and one of the requirement for LTO registration is to test the car at the emission test center. Cars must pass the Emission Standard set by the government before renewal of LTO registration. I challenged him to try biodiesel as a fuel additive, without any engine modification, changing of oil or cleaning of air filter except cleaning of exhaust pipe by water hose to remove carbon particle clinging to the pipe wall. He did so and took the car to the emission test center. The result was very promising Emission Standard CO % (V) -- 3.5 HC (ppm) -- 600 Running condition gradual increase of rpm Gas analyzer final result of service car were the following CO % -- 1.25 HC (ppm) -- 278 PASSED Biodiesel as an anti-wear and smog additive for gasoline fuel is very encouraging. -- Franklin Del Rosario, January 2004 On 8/15/07, Roderick Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since I made biofuel I woundered how it would work in a spark plug engine, : LOL Drain it!!. Have had the worst results in my Kawasaki twin 28HP comercial lawn mower.( 4 stroke) It has twin tanks and so i thought i would mix up half a gallon b100 into 4.5 gallons gasoline, resulting in having to uncoke the spark plug with my torch twice and listen to the old lady complain its not running good. Also tryed it in my Honda 5hp 2pump. poor thing didnt like the fuel there either LOL however , I have had great success substituting B100 in place of two stroke oil in my weed eater, chainsaws, and Stihl construction saw. ( I use these daily and am pushing 100 hours on them apeice. If you reeffer unit is a four stroke I dont recommend using it as an additive any more than 40:1 ratio. R George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new employee of mine mistakenly put 2 gallons of B99 in the gasoline tank for a small gas-powered reefer unit on our Isuzu NPR. I'm guessing the mix is now 8 gallons gasoline to 2 gallons BioDiesel. Do I
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
A lot of guys like the AK as it is more reliable than the mouse gun. Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a bit lost, I thought that AK-47 was the most popular Russian, high quality, reliable weapon. How come that the American lost them. According to the law of business, they should have been destroyed and replaced by an American weapons, which would make the enemy less dangerous. 250,000 bullets/soldier only prove the support of the American industry, I doubt that they have been fired. This means that the average American soldier spent around 23 hours only firing his weapon, sound very high, but the US soldiers are a trigger happy bunch and it is very dangerous to be close to them. The casualties in friendly fire are understandable, but amazing, considering that it is a non drafted and professional army. LOL You should also consider that in every war, it is many soldiers that never fire his gun in a real situation. The safety zone around an American soldier must be around 1,000 m, no wonder that they have difficulties getting terrorists and kill so much innocent civilians, who does not know better. Hakan At 16:57 15/08/2007, you wrote: I'm surprised and disappointed at this. It's totally false and misleading. The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq. We lose much better weapons. AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware WE'VE lost track off. If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the facts straight. Jeez, -'Merika Keith Addison wrote: Hello Lee It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed. US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition Americas 26 July 2007 But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and rash behaviour is Washington. The developing countries are following the path of the developed world I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active resistance. To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be a gross simplification. And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the industrialised nations. Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers. and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their ability to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems improve their population will boom, compounding the effect. On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There are better ways. Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the sustainable population for our planet? It depends how big your feet are. I said this here the other day: ... There is NO shortage of food, and there is NO shortage of money, in fact there's more of both, PER CAPITA, than there's ever been before. Nor is the human eco-footprint outsized, except for some of it, which - surprise! - you'll find in exactly the same places where you'll find all the money, all the food, and all the silly ideas too that we're a cancer on the face of the planet and a few billion of us are
[Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...
The following is my attempt at a chain letter sort of email. Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be afraid of. Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while. Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a patriotic sense of fear. Maybe I'll get it back one day. Or not.- - doug I'm tired of being afraid. Fear paralyzes. I'm over it. I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear. I'm not afraid of the media's stories. I'm not afraid of terrorists. I'm not afraid of conspirators. I'm not afraid of peak oil. I'm not afraid of poisons in the food. I'm not afraid of poisons in the air. I'm not afraid of poisons in the water. I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone. I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters. I'm not afraid of global warming. I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth. I'm not afraid of burning in hell. I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god. I can do something about some of those dangers. About those, I will do something. I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them. started Aug 14, 2007 -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
A lot of guys like the AK as it is more reliable than the mouse gun. Bit more detail here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2143071,00.html The US arsenal lost in Iraq Tuesday August 7, 2007 The Guardian Not clear if the US actually bought the AK-47s or they came from Iraqi military arsenals or what, but the place seems to be awash with them. The US soldiers do seem to find uses for them: >Unable to find their target, the Marines and corpsman dragged another man from his house, fatally shot him, and then planted an AK-47 assault rifle near the body to make it look like he had been killed in a shootout, according to court testimony. -- Marine says beatings urged in Iraq - Los Angeles Times, July 15, 2007 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-marines15jul15,0,7740534.story?coll=la-home-center >Several interviewees said that, on occasion, these killings were justified by framing innocents as terrorists, typically following incidents when American troops fired on crowds of unarmed Iraqis. The troops would detain those who survived, accusing them of being insurgents, and plant AK-47s next to the bodies of those they had killed to make it seem as if the civilian dead were combatants. It would always be an AK because they have so many of these weapons lying around, said Specialist Aoun. -- The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness 11/12/07 The Nation http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18007.htm Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am a bit lost, I thought that AK-47 was the most popular Russian, high quality, reliable weapon. How come that the American lost them. According to the law of business, they should have been destroyed and replaced by an American weapons, which would make the enemy less dangerous. 250,000 bullets/soldier Not per soldier, per killed rebel, or insurgent or innocent corpse with a planted AK-47 or whatever. only prove the support of the American industry, I doubt that they have been fired. It seems they were, they ran out of bullets, the ordnance factories in the US couldn't keep up with the demand and they had to ask Israel for bullets. This means that the average American soldier spent around 23 hours only firing his weapon, Not sure how you figured that out Hakan. It seems the US soldiers killed 24,000 alleged insurgents between 2002 and 2005, and used a total of six billion bullets to do it. I think that averages out at each US soldier shooting less than 100 bullets per day. But even that's a lot of bullets to shoot in a day isn't it? sound very high, but the US soldiers are a trigger happy bunch and it is very dangerous to be close to them. There are a number of reports of nervous US soldiers taking fright at little or nothing and shooting in all directions. The casualties in friendly fire are understandable, but amazing, considering that it is a non drafted and professional army. LOL You should also consider that in every war, it is many soldiers that never fire his gun in a real situation. Most don't, or didn't. IIRC those were WW2 and I think Vietnam War studies that found that. It caused a lot of angst in places like the Pentagon, and led to a lot of research to find out just how to get soldiers to pull the trigger, to what avail I don't know. Seems they're not exactly reluctant to pull the trigger in Iraq. Maybe now they'll teach them how to aim. Then maybe what to aim at. Sorry, I don't have any sympathy to spare for an illegal occupying army, all my sympathies are with the Iraqis. Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq 1,007,411 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=zpkotdcab.0.tcyvldcab.iqnuv6bab.14688ts=S0276p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.justforeignpolicy.org%2Firaq%2Firaqdeaths.html>http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html Let alone before... >Long before Shock and Awe, Clinton was destroying and killing in Iraq. Under the lawless pretence of a no-fly zone, he oversaw the longest allied aerial bombardment since the Second World War. This was hardly reported. At the same time, he imposed and tightened a Washington-led economic siege estimated to have killed a million civilians. We think the price is worth it, said his secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, in an exquisite moment of honesty. -- Good Ol' Bill, The Liberal Hero By John Pilger 08/09/07 ICH http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18150.htm LESLEY STAHL, 60 MINUTES: We have heard that a half million children have died [because of sanctions against Iraq]. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima and you know, is the price worth it? MADELEINE ALBRIGHT: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price we think the price is worth it. http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0808-07.htm Published in the September 2001 issue of The Progressive The Secret Behind the Sanctions How the U.S. Intentionally Destroyed Iraq's Water Supply And so on. :-( Best Keith The safety zone around an American soldier must be around 1,000 m, no
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...
Hey Doug, I'm afraid of only one thing, humanity will never learn lessons from the past Fritz - Original Message - From: doug swanson To: Biofuel List Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid... The following is my attempt at a chain letter sort of email. Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be afraid of. Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while. Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a patriotic sense of fear. Maybe I'll get it back one day. Or not.- - doug I'm tired of being afraid. Fear paralyzes. I'm over it. I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear. I'm not afraid of the media's stories. I'm not afraid of terrorists. I'm not afraid of conspirators. I'm not afraid of peak oil. I'm not afraid of poisons in the food. I'm not afraid of poisons in the air. I'm not afraid of poisons in the water. I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone. I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters. I'm not afraid of global warming. I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth. I'm not afraid of burning in hell. I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god. I can do something about some of those dangers. About those, I will do something. I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them. started Aug 14, 2007 -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
the RUSSIAN AK47 is the better weapon, but most of the AKs around today are (get this) a cheap Chinese knockoff. Russian designers did a very good job with their firearms, but they never released any specs and all the knockoffs could do was take measurements, and junk metal was cheaper than the good quality materials that Russia used. From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:16:15 +0200 I am a bit lost, I thought that AK-47 was the most popular Russian, high quality, reliable weapon. How come that the American lost them. According to the law of business, they should have been destroyed and replaced by an American weapons, which would make the enemy less dangerous. 250,000 bullets/soldier only prove the support of the American industry, I doubt that they have been fired. This means that the average American soldier spent around 23 hours only firing his weapon, sound very high, but the US soldiers are a trigger happy bunch and it is very dangerous to be close to them. The casualties in friendly fire are understandable, but amazing, considering that it is a non drafted and professional army. LOL You should also consider that in every war, it is many soldiers that never fire his gun in a real situation. The safety zone around an American soldier must be around 1,000 m, no wonder that they have difficulties getting terrorists and kill so much innocent civilians, who does not know better. Hakan At 16:57 15/08/2007, you wrote: I'm surprised and disappointed at this. It's totally false and misleading. The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq. We lose much better weapons. AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware WE'VE lost track off. If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the facts straight. Jeez, -'Merika Keith Addison wrote: Hello Lee It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed. US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition Americas 26 July 2007 But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and rash behaviour is Washington. The developing countries are following the path of the developed world I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active resistance. To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be a gross simplification. And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the industrialised nations. Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers. and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their ability to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems improve their population will boom, compounding the effect. On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There are better ways. Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:15:28 -0500 Zeke Yewdall wrote: I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ See what youre getting into before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...
All I fear is fear itself Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hey Doug, I'm afraid of only one thing, humanity will never learn lessons from the past Fritz - Original Message - *From:* doug swanson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel List mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:58 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid... The following is my attempt at a chain letter sort of email. Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be afraid of. Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while. Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a patriotic sense of fear. Maybe I'll get it back one day. Or not.- - doug I'm tired of being afraid. Fear paralyzes. I'm over it. I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear. I'm not afraid of the media's stories. I'm not afraid of terrorists. I'm not afraid of conspirators. I'm not afraid of peak oil. I'm not afraid of poisons in the food. I'm not afraid of poisons in the air. I'm not afraid of poisons in the water. I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone. I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters. I'm not afraid of global warming. I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth. I'm not afraid of burning in hell. I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god. I can do something about some of those dangers. About those, I will do something. I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them. started Aug 14, 2007 -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
you're being kind... Jason Mier wrote: thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:15:28 -0500 Zeke Yewdall wrote: I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
Huh. My AK47 is piece of junk - always jamming at the wrong time. Jason Mier wrote: the RUSSIAN AK47 is the better weapon, but most of the AKs around today are (get this) a cheap Chinese knockoff. Russian designers did a very good job with their firearms, but they never released any specs and all the knockoffs could do was take measurements, and junk metal was cheaper than the good quality materials that Russia used. From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:16:15 +0200 I am a bit lost, I thought that AK-47 was the most popular Russian, high quality, reliable weapon. How come that the American lost them. According to the law of business, they should have been destroyed and replaced by an American weapons, which would make the enemy less dangerous. 250,000 bullets/soldier only prove the support of the American industry, I doubt that they have been fired. This means that the average American soldier spent around 23 hours only firing his weapon, sound very high, but the US soldiers are a trigger happy bunch and it is very dangerous to be close to them. The casualties in friendly fire are understandable, but amazing, considering that it is a non drafted and professional army. LOL You should also consider that in every war, it is many soldiers that never fire his gun in a real situation. The safety zone around an American soldier must be around 1,000 m, no wonder that they have difficulties getting terrorists and kill so much innocent civilians, who does not know better. Hakan At 16:57 15/08/2007, you wrote: I'm surprised and disappointed at this. It's totally false and misleading. The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq. We lose much better weapons. AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware WE'VE lost track off. If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the facts straight. Jeez, -'Merika Keith Addison wrote: Hello Lee It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed. US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition Americas 26 July 2007 But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and rash behaviour is Washington. The developing countries are following the path of the developed world I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active resistance. To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be a gross simplification. And developed is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the industrialised nations. Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state of mind, a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism. Useful for rulers. and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their ability to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems improve their population will boom, compounding the effect. On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. But the usual wealth creation method of improving people's economic situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There are better ways. Have we as a species, reached
[Biofuel] When the oil dries up there is still solar, says Algeria
When the oil dries up there is still solar, says Algeria http://blog.alternate-energy.net/entries/entry_3.php' Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Alt Energy Resource Network News Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
- Original Message - From: Jason Mier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. I'm away from my home computer right now, so replying is awkward . . . We've been over this before. The GM diesels were NOT modified gassers as is so often reported. They had the same external dimensions as the standard small block V8 so they could bolt up to the same engine mounts and transmissions, but an internal inspection reveals MUCH beefier construction. The reputation these engines gained for unreliability stemmed from several factors, some of which were design based, and others over which the engineers had little to no control. There were several engineering problems that included (but were not limited to) too few head bolts for the compression pressure (they used the same bolt pattern as the gasoline heads, which were designed for half the compression ratio!), poor quality one use head bolts that stretched after being torqued, insufficient radiator air exchange area for such a high compression pressure engine (which made them prone to overheating) and a rather delicate fuel injection pump (the Roosa Master, which was designed for an agricultural diesel) that did not tolerate bad fuel very well. We sometimes forget how bad the diesel fuel of the late 1970's and early 1980's actually WAS . . . Most people who bought cars with these engines abused their Olds diesels terribly. They neglected fuel filters, refused to let the engines warm up when it was cold outside, put poor quality fuel in the tank, towed boats through the desert, overheated them repeatedly, and when the head gaskets blew, often repaired the heads (or replaced them) using the same bolts as originally installed. However, re-installing stretched head bolts dramatically increased the likelihood that the engine would overheat again. Hence, the Olds diesel developed a bad reputation. Yet some of these engines have lasted a very long time and are still in use. These tend to be owned by people with experience running diesel engines, the engines were thus well treated, and they have proven reliable under those circumstances. Olds diesels also very economical to run. Yes, the Mercedes diesels with Bosch fuel injection pumps were more reliable in their day--but they were also MUCH more expensive, and the people who owned them maintained them accordingly. This is all in the archives, if you look! robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
- Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:33 am Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org snip That would be fundamental changes in the way people learn, as a direct result in the fundamental changes in they they play. The implications of this stagger me. All implied, but I find it pretty staggering none the less. What changes would those be? robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
