Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
I had an 02 volkswagon golf that I put 30,000 miles on.(100% bio) there were no problems till the engine light went on. We took it too a couple of shops with no results and had to take it to the dealer. $1600 poorer all I knew is that the injector pump had to be replaced because the fuel sensor had failed. It was my wife's car and it took a week before we got it back. They woudn't give her the pump so I couldn't have a look. They said there was a $600 core charge. I was out of town on a job and couldn't do anything but pay the money. I was so pissed of that I sold it and bought an 86 mercedes 190D. (for her) I have an 83TD wagon. They both run on 100% BD, with no problem. We actually started out with an 80 CD and sold it to buy the volkswagon. Good luck with the new crap . Computers and billions of sensors all made in China and doomed to heartache. The engine light will go on. blinking out this message.."go directly to dealer, bring CASH... DB - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
I use my old methanol drums. If they are steel like mine then there is no "lining". you can also use HDPE drums. But steel ones work just fine. I have been making bio-diesel since Dec 01 and have made thousands of gallons..DB - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are lined" with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
you don't have to grind compost really fine to spread it on your lawn...break it down to about 1/2 in particles and rake it in with a wide rake. I have a one acre lot with lots of grass, orchard and garden. I only weed the garden and only mow the grass. living in the city means your lawn needs to be as nice or better than your neighbors, but that is really just an ego problem. my lawn looks just fine to me...Your lawn probabily would look just fine to me too.....DB - Original Message - From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic > JJJN wrote: > >>Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been >>encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and >>humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep >>it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed >>killers etc? I have been wondering , can you take compost and grind it >>really fine and spread it on the lawn water it in? Would this be good? >> >> > >I don't think this is "off topic", as it relates directly to the > mentality of "dirt as a growing medium" that is so pervasive and lies at > the root of much difficulty in our society. I've actually had a "lawn > professional" suggest that I rip out my lawn and replace it with > garden. "You seem to be more successful at growing vegetables than > grass," he said. > >I've aereated my lawn this year and watered with mixture of compost > tea and "organic compost enhancement liquid". It's much greener and > healthier than it's been in the past, but this method still smacks of > replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers. > >It's not that I hate grass, but I'm NOT pleased with the monoculture > mentality that insists it must be of a uniform species. When we first > bought this property it was covered in grasses that were long and made a > lovely sound as the seed heads touseled in the wind. But now, I keep > the motley collection of grasses that pass for lawn on my property > trimmed to 55 millimeters. If anyone has better ideas for lawn > maintenance that will not raise the ire of my neighbors (who already > think I'm weird), please let me know. > > robert luis rabello > "The Edge of Justice" > Adventure for Your Mind > http://www.newadventure.ca > > Ranger Supercharger Project Page > http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel
I have a 2000 nissan frontier 4x4(gas engine) I want to convert to diesel. What would you suggest for a replacement? I think this would be the best thing to provide info on gas/diesel engine conversions here at the Journey. Detroit has their head stuck up the ass.The Japs all make diesel pickups but don't import them to the dumb-ass america.(sorry,but the truth hurts sometimes) I wanted a small diesel pickup. but settled for a 23 year old mercedes wagon, which I love,but I'm really a truck driven man. (carpenterworking in rough terrain.) I've been making bio-diesel for years and am committed to making the next move.....sincerely, DB - Original Message - From: lres1 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Hello all, If any one wants to make a light truck or 4 wheel drive such as Ford, Chev or Jeep conversion to a Toyota or some such Diesel engine there are some quite easy steps to achieving it using the original transmission etc. Can do this on the JtF sight as can give pictures and instructions. If you want to know how to fabricate the adapters we can do it on the JtF sight. If this is okay with the admin. Doug-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel gunks up engines in Washington State
Thanks Mike I kinda figured it was a temperature problem. It's nice to know for sure,,,,,DB - Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel gunks up engines in Washington State > Follow up > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/249964_gbio28.html > > DB wrote: > >>I heard this report on NPR last week. They were interviewing some govt >>person about biodiesel in the ferryboat engines. All they said was that it >>gunked up the engines. Anybody there in Washington state have any more >>info >>on this matter? DB >>Fr >>To: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>>messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel gunks up engines in Washington State
I heard this report on NPR last week. They were interviewing some govt person about biodiesel in the ferryboat engines. All they said was that it gunked up the engines. Anybody there in Washington state have any more info on this matter? DB Fr To: > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Rain water for washing biodiesel
Hi john, I use rainwater to wash with (not just biodiesel either) I run it through a 10 micron water filter. I am on water catchment and have been for the last 16 years. Been making biodiesel for going on four years.. Hope this helps...DB on BD - Original Message - From: john owens To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Rain water for washing biodiesel Hi, I would like to use rain water to wash my biodiesel. We get alot rain in Ireland. I was thinking that I should run it through a 5 micron filter or less befor using it. Any thoughts about this, how clean should it be etc? John ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes 84
My experience with the 300 series is that the fuel filter needs to be changed 2,3, 4 times within the first couple of months and a lenght of rubber fuel line needs to be changed over to nitron which I believe to be any of the new fuel line available. What I did was replace the rubber fuel line immediatily befor the stock fuel filter and then install a cheap inline fuel filter. these would clog up a couple of times and then everything would be OK.This summer I bought two mercedes diesel wagons an 87 for the daughter and an 83 for myself. I am offically through with gas... Hallelujah - Original Message - From: "Peter Harves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes 84 > Could somebody on the list give me some advice . > I have just bought a Mercedes 1984 model 300D > Does this have a filter in the tank. I have read that with Bio the > filter in the tank has to be removed ? > I am not sure that it was this model. Are there any other > modifications that need doing. I know that I will > have to change the fuel filter a few times till the tank is clean > Thanks Peter > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] In-tank fuel screen
concerning screen in tank, I used to have an 80 300cd. Ran 100% bio for one year then sold car. Never even knew about the tank screen. My friend has a 240D and a 300cd. The 240 has been running 100BD for 11/2 years with no problem with the screen and the 300cd no problem with the screen yet.(only about 6 mo's on BD100).Dave - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 2:27 AM Subject: [Biofuel] In-tank fuel screen Hello to All, I'm trying to remove the filter from inside the fuel tank of a 1982 Mercedes 300DS. Told that there might be an access panel to the fuel tank, we have taken out the back seats and the covering in the trunk to expose the fuel tank from the top and 2 sides. Having no success, we tried to unbolt and pull out the tank, but were thwarted there as well; it wouldn't budge. Fortunately it got dark before we (my father-in-law is my accomplice) could cause any irreparable damage. Can anyone give us a better plan before we disassemble the whole vehicle? Side note: The previous owners maintained the car very well and used a fuel additive that claims to remove water from the system and keep the fuel system clean. After 800 miles of BD100 I checked the prefilter to find just 2 tiny black specks visible. Is it possible that I can forgo the ordeal of removing what my accompliss refers to as "the sock" from the tank? My wife loves driving the car and having a fillup station at our house.I dread the thought of getting a call on a cold, rainy night that "the car stopped". I'm ready to go in and find that darn sock if I must. Help appreciated Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Steel drums, Where to get them?
Hi Mike, I get all my steel drums when I buy them full of methanol. I get the methanol from a racing club that competes in drag racing. You could contact the nearest drag strip for info. These guys will gladly give you their empty drums. Right now I have two empty ones. and have five in use at any one time. Yesterday I picked up two drums of methanol from the race club and made a 120 gal batch of BIO. Drums work great and are essentually free, you can make a 40 gal batch in one drum. Go to http://usplastic.com for the fittings and a really nice cover to seal the drum after you make a batch, Good luck and have fun..DB - Original Message - From: Michael Luich To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Steel drums, Where to get them? I'm looking forward to getting started on making biodiesel (hopefully for the house as well) But i'm not sure where i could get a hold of steel drums? any suggestions? Mike Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] U.S. market doesn't make it
I want to buy me a small size pickup truck like the one I have (Nissan Frontier) BUT I want it to have a DIESEL engine instead of damm gas. All the following auto makers make what I want, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Izusu. None of these are available here in the used to be good ole USA. I called all these companies. None of them are going to help me...So I'm asking for help from the forum. Since I live in Hawaii I would think the Phillipines or Thailand would be the place to get either a Toyota Hilux or Izusu D max. I could make it a business and pleasure trip. So I'm looking forward to hearing from you.Sincerely, DB Maloney ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] MB Diesel for bio-diesel use
Doug, Could you please give me more info on blowing out the fuel injectors? thanksDB - Original Message - From: "Douglas Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: [Biofuel] MB Diesel for bio-diesel use > Peter Childers asks about MB 300D. > > My favorite car of all time was a 1980 MB 300D. (they were imported to > the U.S. from 1979 'till 1985) I would have another in a flash, and may > get one again soon. It is a sublime car to drive, especially on the > road! It has an unbelievable turning radius, making it very > maneuverable for a 4-door sedan. > > The 5-cylinder is a great engine, and even without the turbo performed > quite well. It was even fast enough for me! LOL Most advised me I'd > be disappointed with it's pick-up and such - but this engine will take > anything you throw at it, so I just nailed it most of the time off the > line and was always satisfied. > > The ONE thing that I think is most important is that THESE CARS ARE > SAFE!!! I was rear-ended by a rather fast moving Mitsubishi while > stopped at an intersection and pushed not only into but through a very > large intersection - Broadway and Van Ness in SF for those who know it > - and there was NO visible damage!!! You had to feel the hard rubber on > the bumper to feel where the headlight glass had broken against it. The > Mitsu was collapsed all the way to the cowl (windshield) and was > clearly totaled! > > As far as I'm concerned, the MB Diesel is THE car of choice even > without bio-fuels! I'd be a bit concerned about the 4-yrs non-use, but > 165K miles is mild on that car. When I bought mine, my MB mechanic told > me that if it had less than 175K on it and when warmed up, with the > oil-filler cap removed, didn't smoke out that opening, then don't even > bother to bring it to him, just buy it since it would just be broken in. > > My mechanic - a certified MB mechanic - has worked on a MB 300 TD > (wagon) owned by a man from Marin County who has been influential in > the rebirth of bio-diesel. This vehicle has been driven for 10 yrs or > so on bio-diesel, and the mechanic says the engine is cleaner and runs > better, and is generally in better shape than 10 years ago! > > Get the best one you can get and go! > > Doug > > PS - a couple of tips. The thing to look for when buying is how well > the such things as climate control, vacuum system (door locks et al) > are working. The climate control unit was built for them by Chrysler > and was very good, but didn't last as long as MB components, and it's a > complex system. ALSO be sure you learn how to manually blow out the > fuel injectors. Anytime mine started to run less than well, I'd blow > them out (takes three-minutes) and it would be as if I'd just done a > tune-up. > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using plastic pails
If you need to do it on the cheap you can't beat 55gal steel drums.(I use two of them) Just cut the top completely off, install a valve at the bottom with parts from US plastic. They also have plastic drum covers to seal your reaction. http://www.usplastic.com - Original Message - From: "Jeffrey Tan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:06 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using plastic pails > Dear all, > A quick queston. Is it okay to use plastic pails I find around my house > to built the reactor tank, and other tanks for the biodiesel process > instead > of stainless steel? It is some much cheaper and easier to work with > plastics. Will there be unforseen problems with this? Thanks guys. > > Jeff > > _ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
I second that emotion...Proud to be a liberal from a BLUE STATEDB with BD - Original Message - From: malcolm maclure To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country I couldnt resist posting this. Malcolm NEW CALIFORNIA BLUE STATES NATION! Dear Red States We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California. To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay. We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share. Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms. Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti- war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire. With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals than we lefties. By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico. Sincerely, Author Unknown in New California. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] biofuels would need more energy to produce than they canprovide
What a bunch of crap. I consider my time gathering waste oil and making bio-diesel as a hobby that also saves me money .Since I haven't bought "blood fuel" since Dec 02 I feel I am doing my part to promote a positive endevor (environment, local sustainability etc.) Another study found a 35% gain in energy making ethanol. I prefer to believe that bio-fuels are the way to go. - Original Message - From: "F. Desprez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "biofuel" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biofuels would need more energy to produce than they canprovide according to anglo-us scientific studies. FD "Des études scientifiques portent un coup à l'éthanol" 07/07/2005 Journal de l'environnement Le développement de l'éthanol utilisé comme biocarburant pourrait avoir des conséquences environnementales négatives, estiment des chercheurs. Deux recherches scientifiques viennent de remettre en cause l'intérêt du développement de l'éthanol comme biocarburant alternatif à l'essence. D'abord, une étude scientifique américaine parue dans Bioscience conclut que l'éthanol à usage de carburant réduit la biodiversité, augmente l'érosion du sol, et consomme de grandes quantités d'eau pour le nettoyage des cannes à sucre, de l'ordre de 3.900 litres par tonne. Décrits par Marcelo Dias de Oliveira et ses collègues, de l'université d'Etat de Washington, ces impacts environnementaux, uniquement liés à la culture de la canne à sucre, pourraient provoquer un coup de frein au développement de l'éthanol comme carburant qui s'est justement appuyé sur un argument environnemental: le CO2 produit par la combustion de l'éthanol est compensé par la photosynthèse de la plante, les seules émissions de CO2 provenant des transports et du processus industriel. Or actuellement, cet argument est aussi reconsidéré par les scientifiques. Cette fois-ci par une étude anglo-américaine, publiée dans Nature resources research, qui estime «qu'il n'y a aucun bénéfice énergétique à utiliser la biomasse des plantes pour fabriquer du carburant.» Selon les chercheurs de l'université de Cornell et de Berkeley, le process de fabrication d'éthanol à partir de maïs exigerait 29% d'énergie de plus que celle que l'éthanol peut produire comme carburant, et celle du bois 57% de plus. Les résultats du biodiesel apparaissent du même ordre avec un besoin en énergie pour le produire 27% plus important que l'énergie dégagée en tant que carburant pour le soja, et 118% pour le tournesol. A noter, les scientifiques n'ont pas indiqué les besoins énergétiques d'une raffinerie traditionnelle. «Utiliser de la biomasse n'est donc pas une stratégie soutenable», juge David Pimental, de l'université de Cornell, dans un communiqué de presse. En outre, ces résultats montrent que les biocarburants ne permettent pas de s'affranchir de la dépendance énergétique. Or il s'agit d'un argument essentiel pour le Brésil, où l'éthanol de sucre de canne compte pour 40% du carburant consommé par les véhicules dans le pays, mais aussi pour les Etats-Unis et pour Europe où les biocarburants doivent atteindre un taux d'incorporation de 5,75% d'ici 2010. Reste que le véritable avenir de l'utilisation de la biomasse dans les véhicules est le BTL (Biomass to liquids), un gaz de synthèse, pour la plupart des spécialistes. C'est d'ailleurs la position décrite dans l'étude «Well to wheels» (1) du Centre commun de recherche de la commissions européenne (2). Réalisé avec la collaboration de l'ensemble des constructeurs européens et américains et des raffineurs, le rapport établit que «le BTL a le potentiel pour économiser substantiellement plus de gaz à effet de serre que les options de biocarburants actuels à coût comparable et mérite d'être davantage étudié.» (1) Le rapport «Du puits à la roue» se nomme précisément «of future automotive fuels and powertrains in the european context». (2) Plus connu sous son nom anglais Joint research center, le Centre commun de recherche a été créé pour aider aux décisions politiques de l'Union européenne. http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html (July 5, 2005 Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel from corn and other crops is not worth the energy By Susan S. Lang) http://www.journaldelenvironnement.net/fr/login.asp?page=%2Ffr%2Fdocument%2F detail%2Easp%3Fid%3D12508%26idThema%3D6%26idSousThema%3D32%26type%3DJDE%26ct x%3D2 59 (Pour accéder à ce document, merci de vous inscrire gratuitement au JDLE) http://www.6clones.com/ (Bienvenue sur le portail des biocarburants de l'écologie et de l'environnement) http://www.verasun.com/releases_6_14_05.htm (Technology Breakthrough Enables Biodiesel Production from Ethanol Plants) http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2005/06/29/news/latest_news/48908bd feba06fd38625702f004ad254.txt (Du maïs dans le moteur, Sioux City Journal, 29/06/05) http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=310126 (Préférer sa
Re: [Biofuel] two questions on biodiesel storage
My experience with BD after the water wash is that it will always be murky. I let mine just sit there in the wash vessel for a minimum of one week, sometimes two weeks depending one ambient temperatue (and other factors that I don't even know about.) After this settling period the BD will be clear. If I am in a hurry I heat it up to 170 f. The BD can be floating above some of the last rinse water as this doesn't seem to effect the clarity in the end. At this very moment I have 50 gallons of washed BD in my wash tank floating on top of several gallons of water. This is nice and clear fuel, ready to go, but it's not going anywhere for a while because the pump barrel still has plenty of BD in it and that needs to be pumped into some lucky vehicle firstDrive down the road happy.DB - Original Message - From: "David Thornton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: [Biofuel] two questions on biodiesel storage Greetings all, I had a 10 gallon batch of biodiesel stored in my wash tank, undecanted from the water, stored in such a way for two weeks (busy with finals, then took a brief holiday). I've separated the bd and since washed it twice more yet it's appearance is murky. My two questions are 1)Could this be from leaving it in the wash tank for so long? 2) Are there any remedies? Your help will be much appreciated. Respect, David Thornton ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] bubble WASHING and oxidation.
Since I am not a chemist by any means, I was wondering why I should be concerned about oxidation? I could see a problem if I was trying to store the fuel perhaps,but I use up to 50 gal a week. I have only noticed oxidation being a problem in my best tequila after many months if I don't drink it fast enough . It affects the flavor but doesn't ruin it and I bet it would still burn like it should....... DB - Original Message - From: "DERICK GIORCHINO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] WASHING Not sure I will talk to you on the week end on the phone.. love me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:23 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WASHING Hello Vince Bubble washing might not be the best method anyway. We still use it, but mostly we stir-wash - faster and better, and it doesn't oxidise your fuel. But you have to process it properly in the first place, with good completion. Well, you have to do that anyway, don't you? See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg37251.html Re: [biofuel] Questions Speed-up washing biodiesel Best wishes Keith hello all, justa few questions about washing, i have bought an aquarium pump with two different settings on it Hi \ Lo and am wondering if hi is to many bubbles. i haven't read anything about to many bubbles and was wondering. i am washing 40 gallons of BioD i will use about 10 - 15 gallons of water. Also wondering about hard and soft water. we have soft water here in Vancouver BC and had read something about it making the soap foam up more. what can i do about this or has anyone experienced anything to do with soft water? thanks you all vince zadworny ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] animal fat
I think you should experiment with some small batches. I get some of my oil from restaurants that fry meat and think 1/3 of the stuff is animal fat. I seperate this thick gravey like stuff from my less viscous oil and heat it up first to liquify it real good before I do the reaction.some of this stuff is very thick and I call it "the goop" It seems too make good bio-D. though.The only difference being that there are 3 distinct layers after it settles. Bio-D on top, a very thin layer of thick fatty crap, and glycerin on the bottom..DB - Original Message - From: Todd Wootton To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: [Biofuel] animal fat Speaking of animal fat, I have been approaching quite a few grease traps lately to discover that most of them are filled with thick white grease. It is impossible to pump up as it isn't in a liquid format. As well, even if I was able to obtain the liquid, how do I know if it is animal fat or non liquid shortening? Any suggestions. I am sure that everyone has encountered this. Even at my own restaurant, I use a mix of liquid vegetable oil and shortening to keep costs down but also have quite a bit of bacon grease that is sometimes added to the mix. Can I take care of all of this oil together at the same time using the same process? Todd Wootton[EMAIL PROTECTED]Home Office (905)473-5646Cellular (905)751-8181 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WASHING
I might be able to help a bit. I have used a pump like yours. It was a fritz. Then I switched to a luft pump by coral sea. It worked much better for a while. Then the case cracked and it leaked air. I'm guessing the plastic case couldn't handle the gasses from bio-d production. I liked it cause it had a rheostat and gave out plenty of bubbles. My water is as soft as it gets. I live on catchment and only get rainwater. Currently I am using a Tetra tek deep water pump DW-96. No rheostat so I had to hook up an air valve to regulate the flow. What you have to do is adjust the air flow way down for the initial wash (first wash) you don't want any bubbles to stay floating on the surface. To vigorous of a wash at this point could be disasterous. I wash 50 gal at a time and I first sprinkle in 15 or 20 gal with a lawn sprinkler suspended over the oil. the bubble makers are two 36 in flexible bubble wands mounted on a heavy metal screen. I do this light bubble wash for 12 hrs or so then drain out the water and sprinkle in another 20 gal of fresh water. This time I crank the air pump up full blast and let er rip for another 12 hrs. I then drain out that water and Sprinkle in another 20 gal. This time I stir it good with my long stir wand mounted on a heavy duty 1/2 in drill motor. The good bio settles out within hours. Then I let it settle till clear(takes about a week) or I transfer it to my heating tank and heat it up to 170 f then it is ready next day. Hope this helps. Anybody have anything to add? I've been making Bio-diesel since Dec 02 but it's all been learn as you go, trial and error. Made thousands of gallons and only had one bad batch from oil that had been sitting in 55 gal drums and was badly contaminated by water.Drive down the road happyDB - P.s. I recommend using KOH not NaOH cause it's fertilizer for plants.Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WASHING hello all, justa few questions about washing, i have bought an aquarium pump with two different settings on it Hi \ Lo and am wondering if hi is to many bubbles. i haven't read anything about to many bubbles and was wondering. i am washing 40 gallons of BioD i will use about 10 - 15 gallons of water. Also wondering about hard and soft water. we have soft water here in Vancouver BC and had read something about it making the soap foam up more. what can i do about this or has anyone experienced anything to do with soft water? thanks you all vince zadworny __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
getting a bad rap because of double bond fears. but most of the soy oil I get is partally hydrogenated already which breaks the double bond. Then since this oil was used mostly to fry up some kind of meat it is 1/2 to 1/3 saturated fat with no double bonds. Just to be on the safe side I have been blending in my soy-oil with other oils that have lower IV numbers like canola cottonseed and peanut. I have made over 3000 gal of biodiesel since 2002 and have had zero problems. There are currently three different cars running on this B100 with no problems. As soon as there is a problem I will be letting this forum know about it. As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with making bio-diesel out of soy oil... So drive down the road Happy..DB - Original Message - From: "ROY Washbish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS & PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS & BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report "WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel" it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. " Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.." The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy.......DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. - Original Message - From: "TLC Orchids and Such" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: "stephan torak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "stephan torak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers _e.pdf <#www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec> Keith Addison wrote: > Hello Stephan, Jan and all > > I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was > quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: > >> Hi Keith, >> >> this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. >> >> Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards >> >> Alexander Noack >> ELSBETT Technologie GmbH >> Weissenburger Stra§e 15 >> D-91177 Thalmaessing >> Internet: www.elsbett.com >> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 >> Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 > > > This was the quote in question: > >> "Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean >> based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel >> engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. >> There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when >> in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a >> polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the >> life of your lubricating system. >> >> "What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for >> the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil >> intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed >> also known as canola." > > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >> Hello Jan >> >>> Hello Stephan. >>> The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting >>> soy bean >>> oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil >>> and >>> several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating >>> that the >>> oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and >>> therefore >>> unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. >> >> >> In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: "Drying >> results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the >> unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and >> being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then >> occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid." >> -- From "Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel" by Phillip >> Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, >> and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association >> Inc. >> http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm >> >> See: >> Iodine Values >> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine >> >> But that's not quite what Elsbett
Re: [Biofuel] diesel, is it cleaner?
much betterall around .supposidly it is less toxic than table salt and more biodegradible than suger. - Original Message - From: "Andrew & Tracey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] diesel, is it cleaner? Back in the 80's there was a report published about the findings of number of independant scientists investigating the effects of burning diesel fuel and the connection to the big increase of asthma in children. Not only did they find the two very much connected, they also claimed diesel was responsible for causing cancer. Do you know anybody who has died from lung cancer that didn't smoke? It also went on to state it was one of the most dangerous substances known to man because of the increasing volume of usage. Does anybody remember this report?. I know several people who do- they all own diesel powered cars. It's funny how we all think that nothing is going to happen to us, just to the other bloke. Does anyone know of any research done on the effects of biodiesel on the human body? Is it less harmfull? I hope it is as i intend to make some. regards A&T. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Born Again: Help Portland, Oregon
month. I use methanol and KOH. I get the meth from a racing club in 55 gal barrels. I have four reactor vessels. Two are plastic with cone bottoms and two are converted 55 gal steel drums.(They came full of methanol) If you cut off the top and install a valve at the bottom you end up with a very good reaction vessel for about 20 bucks. I can make 40 gallon batches with them and use them constantly. I used one barrel for over one year then it developed a tiny pin hole so I just removed the valve and took it to the dump. Cutting the top off a newly emptied methanol drum takes about ten minutes with a sawzall and drilling the hole and installing the valve also takes about ten minutes. no need to think of stainless steel or concave bottom..The drums I get are either free to use or free to take to the dump. I currently go through a drum of methanol every two months>I Drive down the road Happy<...DB - Original Message - From: "Scott McFarland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Born Again: Help Portland, Oregon Are there any bio-fuelers in the Portland area that are willing to talk with me? Offline? We live on a small farm (120 acre, hazelnuts), heat with oil and run diesel vehicles and can easily consume 2-3Kgal per year. Extended family farms consume more. I'm a self-employed software maker helping that extended family seasonally, (I'm not a farmer, just an in-law...) so my TINKER time alternates between VAST quantities (my "R&D" time) to virtually none (coding time). At this point, I've spent a couple weeks reading JTF articles, the procedures, the processors, and skimmed the (diverse) messages on mail-list ... (didn't know it would throw me into seeing your discussions on RELIGION and POLITICS ... I see why, though). Something has clicked in me after all the reading ... THERE IS NO RETURN . I take my kids to school and look at local pump prices of $2.47 ... this morning at $2.69 . I JUST GET ANGRY, knowing there has to be a better way, knowing fuel can be made, knowing with some effort on my part I don't have to be AS dependent. I feel like I've been lied to, betrayed, and I'm just waking-up. NOW, this whole alternate fuel idea is becoming an obsession for me and I need/want to be productive (it's a sanity thing). Is there anyone near Portland that can talk with me to prove this process makes sense, financially, in our local area? Here's my wish list of questions that need answers: - A good, (safe, visible/understandable, scalable) system: I'm just not able to tinker and make it work ... I need a recipe of quality components that will work together to make a: 50-100 gal system to handle weekly supply of render Cone-bottom is important to get out the glycerin ASAP, even during 1st stage, right? I don't have time or means to weld. Where to get affordable plastic vessels? Is anybody selling cone-bottom steel drums that can be coated? Dare I ask what 100-200 gal stainless cones cost? (Breweries?) Mixing: so many ways to go ... why not pneumatic pump/diaphragm??? Safe but costly? Washing: use same pneumatic system for bubble-wash ? Buy a system: $3K to $4K OUCH (poor) ... take about a year to break-even? Justify by producing for others (6 mos)? Just buy good components? - Chemical resources: Sheesh: How do you ask for methanol without getting black-listed ...? I get the impression from methanol suppliers that this process is a NO-NO ie. ChemCentral will deliver monthly 1-2 barrels $3.54/gal BUT NOT FOR FUEL ... why? specs? what? is this illegal? good grief. Where to get good, affordable methanol? Is the future of BD in making your own ETHANOL, sieve to anhydrous? - WVO: an hour of calling to find this is do-able: One restaurant ready to give 10 gal/week (4 or 5 more to go) Questions on making this sustainable. Safeway: NOPE! They have a 100 gal/week iron-clad corporate contract: national renderer (Darling) ... other big-chains sure to have same Portland rendering sells/exports 55 gal drums of yellow-lard $0.14-0.16 / lb that makes it $1.10 gal ... add $0.70 for 20% volume methanol plus catalyst and energy costs to process and the margin narrows quickly ... am I missing something? ... other than principles ... Business Feasibility: (just try to be productive) ASSUMPTION: clients motivated to buy if save $0.50 / gal off pump prices. GIVEN: Local pump price $2.40 Sell for $1.90 / gal Costs $0.70 / gal from WVO (doubtful: MeOH cost + 25% recovery) Profit $1.20 / gal ASSUMPTION: $100,000 income REQUIRES: approx 83,000 gal annually QUESTION: How many clients would you need? ASSUMPTION: client needs about 2,000 gal / year ANSWER: 40 clients needed (I can scratch-out a list of 20 in a hurry) QUESTION: Can one man supply 40 clients? What would
Re: [Biofuel] Need advicer on Energy
Easy...http://homepower.com Get going with pv panels or wind hydro what ever you can. I started with nothing but tools 13 years ago. I was energy self sufficient from the start with just a couple of panels and a couple of batteries. I added on to the system whenever I could You have to just start.DB - Original Message - From: "Helen Renold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:21 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Need advicer on Energy Dear Keith and list, My name is Helen Renold and I'm writing from Switzerland on behalf of a group (ca. 35 people) who have begun to get together as a community trying to be self sufficient as far as possible. We have among us various professions and skills by which we try to support each other's needs independent of the government. As I said we try to do this as much as possible within our financial limitations. But we have spent about a year and a half being sensitised to the world economic and political situation through various medias and discussions and research. One of our main goals is to help each other get out of our debts. And one of our main concerns has been alternative energies. This is one area where we do not have much expertise at all. We have looked into free energy systems that we've heard and read a lot about but there doesn't seem to be much available nor much alternative energy system that is really cost efficient. Perhaps we have not looked in the right places. I have tried to keep up with this list for about a year but I'm still not anywhere near understanding the possibilities that are actually available. However, we are willing to get organised and be committed to work and maintain any system of energy that can keep us independent of the grid as much as possible. We are looking for someone near us (Switzerland) who would take the time to advise and show us practical alternatives if there are really any. We meet collectively to discuss and study once a month. It would be great to have someone with the expertise present a lecture on alternative energies. It would be even better if we could experience some demonstrations too. Is there anyone available from this list? I look forward to receiving any advise on this matter. Thank you, Helen Renold __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap
study of the evidence, any non-Republican would conclude that global warming is real. It matters not whether it is man made or a natural occurence. Just as when the house is burning down you must first put out the fire. Then you can figure out what caused the fire. The Kyoto protocol is people who care trying to do what they can. If the planet is warming on it's own then it certainly would be stupid to hasten the problem.Don't you think?.....DB - Original Message - From: "John Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the government in power to syphon from the tax payer billions of dollars for their friends and has very little to do with global warming. It also helps those countries that do not have a supply of fossil to gain a competitive edge. We are living in the tail end of an ice age. The weather we are living in, in geological time is not normal. Global warming in my opinion is caused changes in speed of continental drift. As the continents speed up the earths mantle becomes thinner and volcanic activity greatly increases. This increase, heats up the great thermal buffers the oceans and the volcanoes release millions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere causing the inevitable global warming. Kyoto is a lot like taking aspirin for cancer. It may ease the pain a bit but will not cure the ailment and an extremely expensive placebo. We should be focusing on the health and cost benefits of non fosil fuels and not on Kyoto. With the amount of diesel equipment that I drive I might as well take up smoking 5 packs a day of cigarettes. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] question's
The only modification was to change about one foot of rubber fuel line with one made of nitrile. After that it was necessary to add an inline fuel filter before the stock fuel filter because the filters were clogging up with old petrol gunk. This was the only problem. I sold the car in '04 to buy an'02 VW golf TDI. The mercedes was still running fine and it still is. The new owners still come by to fill up with bio-D. I have mad over 2500 gal since dec 02., and highly recommend the mercedes 300 series. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] question's I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative.I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it.Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
BD100 was an 80 300CD. Besides chancing the fuel filter there were no problems. This series from 80 to 87 would be the car to get in my opinion...Drive down the road with a smile...DB - Original Message - From: "Ross Oakley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations to the biodiesel enthusiasts: My name is Ross Oakley, and i'm about to commence a biodiesel dissertation in the area of Reno, Nevada. I'm looking to produce my own biodiesel once it warms up a bit and in the meantime am looking for a suitable vehicle to run biodiesel with. I"m convinced that a Mercedes is the way to go. Does anyone know a specific year, type, model, or feature (turbo vs. not) (direct vs. indirect compression ignition engine) that would be the best choice for a reliable means of promoting biodiesel? thanks much and let the biodiesel revolution begin Ross ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
could go on and on about how much I despise him. My only fun is to make snide bumperstickers for my car. Here's a few. "Democrats should be allowed to vote Twice" "Republicans are to dumb to know right from Wrong" and "There's a Weasel in the Whitehouse, Don't blame Me". How about this one " Pray for the Rapture- They'll all be gone." Four more years of protest and Prayer is all we have .DB - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day See also: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0128-24.htm Published on Friday, January 28, 2005 by CommonDreams.org Why the Children in Iraq Make No Sound When They Fall by Bernard Chazelle - http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0128-35.htm Published on Friday, January 28, 2005 by the National Catholic Reporter What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day by Joan Chittister Dublin, on U.S. Inauguration Day, didn't seem to notice. Oh, they played a few clips that night of the American president saying, "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands." But that was not their lead story. The picture on the front page of The Irish Times was a large four-color picture of a small Iraqi girl. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_s hooting_in_tal_afar/html/3.stm Her little body was a coil of steel. She sat knees up, cowering, screaming madly into the dark night. Her white clothes and spread hands and small tight face were blood-spattered. The blood was the blood of her father and mother, shot through the car window in Tal Afar by American soldiers while she sat beside her parents in the car, her four brothers and sisters in the back seat. A series of pictures of the incident played on the inside page, as well. A 12-year-old brother, wounded in the fray, falls face down out of the car when the car door opens, the pictures show. In another, a soldier decked out in battle gear, holds a large automatic weapon on the four children, all potential enemies, all possible suicide bombers, apparently, as they cling traumatized to one another in the back seat and the child on the ground goes on screaming in her parent's blood. No promise of "freedom" rings in the cutline on this picture. No joy of liberty underlies the terror on these faces here. I found myself closing my eyes over and over again as I stared at the story, maybe to crush the tears forming there, maybe in the hope that the whole scene would simply disappear. But no, like the photo of a naked little girl bathed in napalm and running down a road in Vietnam served to crystallize the situation there for the rest of the world, I knew that this picture of a screaming, angry, helpless, orphaned child could do the same. The soldiers standing in the dusk had called "halt," the story said, but no one did. Maybe the soldiers' accents were bad. Maybe the car motor was unduly noisy. Maybe the children were laughing loudly -- the way children do on family trips. Whatever the case, the car did not stop, the soldiers shot with deadly accuracy, seven lives changed in an instant: two died in body, five died in soul. BBC news announced that the picture was spreading across Europe like a brushfire that morning, featured from one major newspaper to another, served with coffee and Danish from kitchen table to kitchen table in one country after another. I watched, while Inauguration Day dawned across the Atlantic, as the Irish up and down the aisle on the train from Killarney to Dublin, narrowed their eyes at the picture, shook their heads silently and slowly over it, and then sat back heavily in their seats, too stunned into reality to go back to business as usual -- the real estate section, the sports section, the life-style section of the paper. Here was the other side of the inauguration story. No military bands played for this one. No bulletproof viewing stands could stop the impact of this insight into the glory of force. Here was an America they could no longer understand. The contrast rang cruelly everywhere. I sat back and looked out the train window myself. Would anybody in the United States be seeing this picture today? Would the United States ever see it, in fact? And if it is printed in the United States, will it also cross the country like wildfire and would people hear the unwritten story under it? There are 54 million people in Iraq. Over half of them are under the age of 15. Of the over 100,000 civilians dead in this war, then, over half of them are children. We are killing children. The children are our enemy. And we are defeating them.
Re: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler
soap is always made. Put some in a clear jar add about 1/4 water, shake it up and see what separates. You will probabily have merky oil sitting on top of soapy water. This will tell you that you need to wash. You will always get a better reaction when you can heat up your oil first...good luck and have fun...DB - Original Message - From: "Vincent zadworny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "biomailinglist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] New bio dieseler hi everyone, i am just starting out on this crazy journey into alternate feuls. i have been practiceing my titration and making small 1 liter batches in a blender from fresh canola oil bought from the corner store. it all seems to be going great. after settling over night the liquids seperate into two layers no shadow or middle layer. i left one batch sitting for about 2 weeks and the diesel became transparent. Question #1 - do i still have to wash this transparent diesel??? titrated some WVO and did a test batch of it too. the first time my math was off and i used to little lye, realized my mistake and made up a second. this time it seemed to work but doesn't pass the 150ml quality test on the JTF site. it didn't seperate in the alloted time but after settling over night it did. Question #2 - i and working in a cold wearhouse. could that be the problem?? any help would be welcomed Vincent Zadworny Vancouver, Canada - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuel-books
book with lost of good info. I made great fuel following his instructions. I was always doubtful about his opinion not to wash the bio as I also did lots of reasearch on the subject of biodiesel, plus I make so much fuel that I had it for sale and didn't want to sell anything but the best quality possible. Journey to forever is great too but I can't say that Tickell's book is bad. He has done alot to promote Biodiesel and I admire him for that><> DB - Original Message - From: "Stelios Terzakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biofuel-books Good day everbody, I found these books with a simple search. Does anyone knows if books below are worth buying? Regards, Stelios 1)From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel by Joshua Tickell, Kaia Roman, Kaia Tickell Paperback: 162 pages Publisher: Tickell Energy Consultants; 3rd edition (December 1, 2000) ISBN: 0970722702 2)The Biodiesel Handbook by Gerhard Knothe (Other Contributor) Hardcover Publisher: AOCS Press; (December 2004) ISBN: 1893997790 3)Recent Developments in the Synthesis of Fatty Acid Derivatives by Gerhard Knothe, Johannes T. P. Derksen Hardcover: 250 pages Publisher: AOCS Press (September 1, 1999) ISBN: 1893997006 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor
They came from Ace Hardware. The ones I use now have solid red plastic handles and they come from home depot..DB - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Kron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Interesting, we used PVC valves on our oil lines and a few other places and just chewed right through them. There was one model that seemed to hold up better it had a blade style valve handle as I recall but we kept poping valve handles off all the rest of them. We were purchasing from ACE Hardware (couldn't tell who made them), maybe your manufacturer has different specs. kk DB wrote: I have four BD reactors. All of them have 3/4 in PVC valves. I have been making biodiesel since 12/03 (over 2000 gal.) The valves work fine. and have never been replaced...DB - Original Message - From: "Dana Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Hello Good People; With regard to Girl Marks Appleseed Processor; is there any reason why the plumbing could not be done with PVC (the more chem/heat resistant variety) pipe? Cheers, Dana Knight Boulder, CO KOR technologies Dana Knight 110 Seminole Dr Boulder, CO 80303 720 304 3170 ofc 720 221 0630 fax 303 884 7266 mbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust>. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using?
glycerin as fertilizer on my fruit trees... DB - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] hydroxide - what are you using? Biodiesel homebrewers, what hydroxide are you using, sodium or potassium? If you have switched from one to another, are the results any better? Anyone ethyl esters yet - single stage, two stage, mistery process? Just wondering, I switched from sodium to potassium hydroxide. The wash seems a little easier. Ethyl esters - no conversion at all with potassium ethoxide (99% ethanol) IPA esters with potassium methoxide as catalyst - no conversion, turned everything solid Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor
making biodiesel since 12/03 (over 2000 gal.) The valves work fine. and have never been replaced...DB - Original Message - From: "Dana Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Appleseed Processor Hello Good People; With regard to Girl Marks Appleseed Processor; is there any reason why the plumbing could not be done with PVC (the more chem/heat resistant variety) pipe? Cheers, Dana Knight Boulder, CO KOR technologies Dana Knight 110 Seminole Dr Boulder, CO 80303 720 304 3170 ofc 720 221 0630 fax 303 884 7266 mbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] processor
forty gallon batches. I heat the oil in it using a propane burner. When the oil is hot enough simply shut the propane off and then do your reaction. The drum with the methanol is never opened with an open flame present.no smoking ,no getting loaded. have good ventilation.live to drive..DB - Original Message - From: "Jerry T Van Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] processor Newbie question: Please comment on the use of an oil fired water heater as a biodiesel processor. Thanks Jerry, Wi ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] first time post- first batch
saturday. with oil at about 75 F I aggitate for only 10 minutes but it's pretty figarous. - Original Message - From: "mark rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] first time post- first batch Hello all.My name is Mark Rose.I live in Yarmouth Nova Scotia,Canada.I am new to the list and have been preparing for some time for my first batch of biodiesel. I have a decent supply of waste fat and have approx 130 gallons ready to process.The processor is a 250 gallon stainless milk tank with built in variable speed agitator.We are about two weeks from our first mix of 100 gallons. I'm looking for a little tech advice and hoping also to find biodieselers in eastern Canada to talk to about this process.I have been doing alot of reading (this list is great!) online and have learned much.(although nearly not enough) I'm unsure as to how long I should mix my first batch (100 gal) and if the agitator speed is crucially important.The forward speed of my tank mixer is not as fast as the reverse speed (wash cycle).Should I mix longer than two hours? Should I let it settle longer than 24 before pouring off the glycerin?(should still be warm enough to pour-fully insulated tank) Thanks in advance for your interest.Looking forward to your reply..Mark Rose - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] reactor lineing
immediatilly. The drum is over one year old with still no rust. I use it all the time, both as a reation vessel and to heat bio after it comes out of the wash...DB - Original Message - From: "J.L.Burney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:21 AM Subject: [Biofuel] reactor lineing hiya all i was down at the auto parts store today and saw some roll on truck bed lineing. its a liquid that you paint on into the bed of your truck and it hardens in to a plastic shell like bed liner. it says its chem resistant i was just wondering if anyone has ever tried to coat the inside/outside of thier reactor wash and storage barrels with this or somthing simmilar. it would be great if you use 55 gallon steel drums it would also make it easyer to seal things up nice and tight. could also help insulate and protect the barrels if you have an outsied set up like i do. just a thought ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New BD brewer
Northern tools. then you need a PH tester, a good scale to weight out KOH a 15 gal pot a good resperator and gloves. This all shouldn't cost you much. $200 perhaps. all my stuff started out that way. I make 90 gal every two weeks and have made over 2000 gal of quality fuel. IF anyone is interested I could post some pictures......DB - Original Message - From: "Dana Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New BD brewer Hello All, I have been doing the research on BD for that last month or so and am now trying to source all the equipment I need in the most economical fashion possible. This is proving more difficult than I thought. Two questions; does anyone know of a good source for parts and equipment (can't afford pre-fab systems); and second; any BD brewers in Colorado please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to share knowledge. Cheers, Dana Knight Boulder, CO ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
wanted to test it for ASME specs but they wanted over $1000 to do the test. I am confident that if you do the reaction , water wash the results and properly filter the bio you will be meeting asme standards ---.DB-- Original Message - From: "Marna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the newer cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something, and that using homebrew made from WVO is dangerous. I just bought a TDI and am running my first tank of ASME certified biodiesel through the car, but would really like to use WVO and do homebrew. Opinions? Facts? Thanks, Marna (Washington State, USA) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] I made a test batch!
22. When she moved out to go to college last year I (her Dad) bought an 02 Golf TDI and kept up production currently 180 gal per MoDB - Original Message - From: "Eric & Wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 3:53 AM Subject: [Biofuel] I made a test batch! Yesterday, I went to the Fulton Center for Sustainable Living at Wilson College, Chambersburg, PA and made some bio diesel. My first batch! I canÕt believe how ÒniceÓ the exhaust from my TDI smells! Sorry, I just had to share my excitement with the group! I feel like a kid on Christmas day! IÕve been part of this group for almost two years. I finally got a TDI at the end of October and now my goal is to start home brewing beginning the first of the year! My family thinks I am nuts, but I donÕt care! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] newbie looking for car selection advice
biodiesel experience when my much smarter daughter decided to buy an 80 mecedes 300cd. and run itn it on BD 100 that she and her boy friend would make themselves. I was only more than willing to help them in any way I could. We did this for 1 1/2 years. and then she sold it when she moved to Minnesota to attend college It was a great car and besides the assumed problem of filter clogging for about 4 months there were no other engine problems. The new owners live close by and come over to buy BD quite often. The car still runs fine. I am also prone to wagons and we only wished that it was a wagon. After she sold it I continued the Biodiesel production and bought an 02 vw golf that is my wife's car. My daughter is looking to buy a mercedes diesel wagon and wants to make biodiesel while she is living in St. Paul Minn. - Original Message - From: "Megan Cosgrove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: [Biofuel] newbie looking for car selection advice Hey folks, I'm just entering the biodiesel realm, planning to travel around the country on biodiesel or WVO, and looking for some advice about vehicle selection. I am looking at a 1980 mercedes 300TD. The car looks like its in good shape, 143k miles, and I have a diesel-savvy mechanic willing to take a look at it for me. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience they can share about these 20+ year old diesel cars. It seems like a lot of folks are driving them with little difficulty, but I am nervous about taking off on a road trip in such an old car. I really like this wagon, but I'd welcome any other suggestions. Things I'm looking for in a car: reliability (I know-duh, but I will be on the road, so thats a big one), a wagon (I'm traveling with my dog and we need living space :)), and eco-friendliness. Any input would be very much appreciated!! Megan - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested
with an 80 mercedes 300CD which actually was my daughters car. We did have glogged filter problems for a while but it was nothing major. I use my glycerin to clean my equipment and give the bulk to my acre of fruit trees. G'day to you also......DB - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested G'day DB; - Original Message - From: "DB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested Don't do it. Everybody I Know who is running on WVO is having nothing but trouble. Bio is the way to go. I've been making it and selling it for three years now. No problems. Have you run into filter clogging problems from the cleansing effect of the BD? What type of vehicle are you running it in? I make more than I need and sell the rest which pays for all expense.. It seems that I may find myself in that same situation come Spring. I already have an outlet for the glycerine soap once I have the recipe worked out. I have successfully used the glycerine straight up as a soap once the methanol is removed on a small scale, but it doesn't "foam" much, however I have a recipe that apparently gives an acceptable result. Once I have confirmed thins by making and trying it I shall post it. Get together with some friends and make Bio The more the merrier, and the car will be happier for it. Luc DDB [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested
I only use Biodiesel I can only comment favorably on that experience. I do know of three people running on SVO. One had an Izuzu with a 4cyl engine. fuel pump crapped out. after dissecting this part it was found to be gummed up with a polymer like substance. Another person had a ford f250 that was found on the road dead. many times. He used to buy BD from me but hasn't in over one year. and one more person had a ford van that was running on the SVO stuff. This third person also bought my old 81 mercedes 300CD that I had for one year when I first started making biodiesel with my daughter (her car) They don't even run the van on SVO anymore cause of problems but they still come over and buy my biodiesel for both the mercedes and the van. The mercedes has never had any problem running BD.All these people are the ones that told me of their problems. Problems starting the engine, poor performance, and complete failure of parts. The guy with the Izuzu had to pay $700 just for the cost of a fuel pump not including labor to install it. I bought a VW golf and have 46,000 miles on it. I have made over 1600 gal of biodiesel. neither myself nor anyone else has had any fuel related problem using my BD. 3 out of 3 vehicles using SVO have had serious problems. I see no advantage in using SVO over BD and would not recommend it's use. Somebody asked for advise on it's use and I am more than happy to help out. These are not scare tactics, just the facts. - Original Message - From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested My two cents: I think straight vegetable oil is ok if done correctly. Certainly, bio (soy/canola) diesel is more easily distributed and ready made but I think there are regions of high population density than can take advantage of vegetable oil as fuel source. For example, Mexico City, Shanghai,New Dehli, other mass density cities are are excellent opportunities to use vegetable oil as a source. At my career in the energy industry we talked about a "menu of solutions" to solve problems depending on the situation. --- Neoteric Biofuels Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If everyone you know is having "nothing but trouble" on WVO, then they need to learn more about how do it! Spare us the scare tactics. SVO's proven itself to a much greater extent than what you suggest, and many on this list know that to be true. Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Dec 2, 2004, at 10:45 PM, DB wrote: > Don't do it. Everybody I Know who is running on WVO is having nothing > but trouble. Bio is the way to go. I've been making it and selling it > for three years now. No problems. I make more than I need and sell the > rest which pays for all expense.. Get together with some friends and > make Bio DDB > - Original Message - From: "Eva Reale" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:39 AM > Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested > > >> Hello, there Grease World, >> >> I live in Northern CA and am in the process of deciding whether to >> "join the club." I am interested in WVO (and probably an older >> Mercedes model) but I need to talk to some experienced folks as part >> of my research. I was thinking about a 2-tank system, but during the >> week I take a short drive (15-minutes) to the ferry landing and >> commute from there. It doesn't seem worth warming up the car via >> 2-tank for such a short drive, especially as I'm usually in a hurry. >> I was told I could run the 2-tank like a 1-tank and not worry about >> it (in Northern CA) for my short drives... I'm not interested in >> making my own biodiesel. >> Some folks in a smaller email group told me that running WVO on a >> single tank was nuts unless I wanted to destroy the engine. >> >> I'd love some advice. Any advice on WVO, including what are the best >> kinds of oil to use and what are the worst. Anything that anyone >> would be willing to share. I realize you've probably already shared a >> lot, but I'd appreciate any advice. >> >> Thanks to anyone who chooses to reply. >> >> NewKid >> >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): >> http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > _
Re: [Biofuel] space heaters used with WVO
would let you know that I heat my oil in a 55 gal drum that is mounted on an angle-iron stand under which is a cast iron propane burner. The oil I get from two restaurants is double layer quality which is about 2/3 obvious oil and 1/3 gravey looking stuff i call "Gunk"> This stuff is the animal fat and is thick and ugly. This is the stuff I throw in my 55 gal drum that I get for free when I spend $180 for the methanol. I just cut the top off and drill a hole in the side as far down as possible then I screw in a plastic baffle fitting that I got from U.S. Plastic and mount a 3/4 PVC ball valve in it. Takes about !/2 hour with the right tools. Did I loose you already? OK anyway I heat up these Gunk batches in this thing untill the Gunk looks good then I shut off the burner tritrate and the open up the meth drum to do the reaction. No exploding cause theres no open flame... Hope this helps.......DB - Original Message - From: "John Guttridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [Biofuel] space heaters used with WVO so I am looking for a way to heat my shop that I will be making biodiesel in and I looked at this: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me7.html I am more than a little concerned that I might ignite my methanol vapors with it though. anyone have any suggestions? I was considering putting the thing outside and using it to heat water which I would then use to carry the heat inside (or perhaps some other fluid like oil that vaporizes much hotter than water but maybe oil is too much of a fire hazard) also it seems like I could make it just as well in a used 55gal drum instead of the water heater tank they are using just needs to be a box that gets hot right? John ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested
trouble. Bio is the way to go. I've been making it and selling it for three years now. No problems. I make more than I need and sell the rest which pays for all expense.. Get together with some friends and make Bio D........DB - Original Message - From: "Eva Reale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Advice Requested Hello, there Grease World, I live in Northern CA and am in the process of deciding whether to "join the club." I am interested in WVO (and probably an older Mercedes model) but I need to talk to some experienced folks as part of my research. I was thinking about a 2-tank system, but during the week I take a short drive (15-minutes) to the ferry landing and commute from there. It doesn't seem worth warming up the car via 2-tank for such a short drive, especially as I'm usually in a hurry. I was told I could run the 2-tank like a 1-tank and not worry about it (in Northern CA) for my short drives... I'm not interested in making my own biodiesel. Some folks in a smaller email group told me that running WVO on a single tank was nuts unless I wanted to destroy the engine. I'd love some advice. Any advice on WVO, including what are the best kinds of oil to use and what are the worst. Anything that anyone would be willing to share. I realize you've probably already shared a lot, but I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks to anyone who chooses to reply. NewKid ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing
to settle out any soap. and you can heat it up slightly to help release the remaining water..DB - Original Message - From: "fox mulder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing Hi all, I have made biodiesel from wvo. The product appears clearer without washing. When I washed it the biodiesel became murky. After several washes it remained murky. can someone tell me what the problem is? fox ___ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] the next president of the Nation Devided.
So the Demorats put out their best man ,but he was beat out by the millions of "Jesus Freakos" Who haven't a clue of what the hell Biodiesel even is.So now we have to suffer through 4 more years of reality as expressed through the George "the Weasel" Bush Machine.I think not enough Environmental Damage has stirred the sleeping masses. Maybe the next presidential candidate will be more pro environmental.Personally I think the religious right is a very big problem to over comeDB ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wich one is the best?
diesel vehicle right off the lot. But ethanol is also needed. You need it to make biodiesel. I use methanol but would switch to ethanol if I could. I can currently make 280 gal of BD from 55 gal drum of methanol. the yeald would be less with the same amount of ethanol..Hope this helps..DB - Original Message - From: "Gabriel Proulx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] wich one is the best? Is it biodiesel or ethanol? _ Envoyer des courriels cratifs est aussi amusant que d'en recevoir. Utilisez de la papeterie, des polices et des couleurs spciales http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-ca&page=features/richmail Commencez ds maintenant profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Weight
- Original Message - From: "Jeremy Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Weight Does anyone have any estimate on what WVO weighs average? I am trying to see how much a truck would carry. Thanks. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op?
tanks with conical bottoms with a release valve on the bottom. The other two are empty 55 gal steel drums that used to contain methanol. I am working on emptying my sixth drum of methanol, and I can only say that they all come in real handy. No need to use anything else, unless you've got money too burn. Just cut the top complety off and install a bulkhead valve fitting with a 3/4" pvc ball valve at the bottom. I mix up 40 gal batches in them and they work just fine. I mounted the valve as low as possible on the side and built a metal stand that the drum sits in. I can heat the oil with a propane burner when nessesary.Very usefull. I know that might sound dangerous. but my lab is outside and the drum of methanol is never opened when the oil is in cook stage plus I never heat the oil any warmer than around 100 degrees F. I also use the drums for the bubble wash. These work real well 'cause of the flat bottom. I have made over 1400 gal of BD with almost 1/2 coming from these drum processors. I have 40 gal in the drum right now settling after the wash that I will pump out to empty methanol drum #3 which is my pumping barrel. Then I will make a 40gal batch this weekend in the other drum processor because I got customers waiting to buy it. Hope this helps....DB - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] best processor for campus co-op? i'm hopfully going to be building a biodiesel processor for my campus this weekend. i go to school at guilford college in greensboro, nc and several of us are in the process of starting a biodiesel co-op here. i'm wondering what processor would be the best to work on. i'd like to be able to have about a 40-50 gallon capacity. thanks james ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] TDI and B100
BD to a couple with a 99 jetta that run 100%. I'm pretty confidant that there will be no problem but only time will tell........DB - Original Message - From: "Rodney Hadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] TDI and B100 Does anyone know of, or heard of B100 damaging a VW TDI engine (2003 jetta), in particular the fuel injection pump. Is it possible for the fuel injection pump to be damaged by biodiesel, does it have any rubber components? __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing water
the Big Isle. It used to be cheap to fly but not anymore. It depends how long you will be staying.I wouldn't plan on sailing with anybody that I didn't know and most people feel the same way. I used to have a sailboat and have lived on them and did a fair amount of sailing. Now you would have a hard time getting me on one, but I surf or swim in the ocean everyday if I can...January is a nice time to be here..Aloha...DB - Original Message - From: "John Guttridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing water I am going to be in HI in january, what is the best way to go between the islands on the cheap, I am something of a sailor, is it likely that I might be able to hitch a ride on a sailboat if I can tow my weight or will I only be able to fly? John DB wrote: I recommend using KOH. I make 120 gal BD per month and the glycerin is heated up to remove some methanol. Then I delute it 1/4 glycerin to 3/4 water add 1/4 cup blood or feather meal 1 cup bone meal and water my fruit trees with it. I live in Hawaii and my banana trees are very happyPunasurfer - Original Message - From: "tommy newman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] washing water I am very much interested of the effects if any the water used for washing the biodiesl has on plants and if it is put into rivers the effects, or what it contains. I have been told it contains salts i.e. Calcium and sodium /potassium but that has not been confirmed. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing water
diluted with water. Switch to KOHDB - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing water has anyone had the wash water tested?? and will to provide those results to the rest of us?? I know that wash water will kill grass and weeds very well, when using sodium instead of potassium. i want to know what i can do to make it less toxic to the grass. any help?? thanks challeng71 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Questions with using biodiesel
no problems besides fuel filters clogging up. I did replace some rubber fuel line which was a five minute job. I put in an inline glass fuel filter with a replaceable filter and chanced that about every other week for quite a while then it finally cleared up. I had the car for a year then bought a 2002 golf one year ago. The people I sold the car too still come by for BD once in a while and their car still runs fine. Home made BD is fine as long as it's washed well. - Original Message - From: "Theo Chadzichristos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Questions with using biodiesel HI all, I've been looking for a post that people actually respond to, and it looks like I have finally found a good one. I have made blender sized batched of biodiesel successfully but I want to move to a larger scale. I have a 1976 Mercedes Benz 300d which I want to run on biodiesel. I know that higher concentrations of biodiesel will clean up all the junk from the dino diesel that's accumulated in the tank and probably clog up my filters. That's not a problem because I can easily replace those. My main concern is screwing up my injector pump, injectors and all my fuel lines by using biodiesel since those are expensive parts to replace. I have read of others with Mercedes Benz diesels that run successfully on biodiesel with no problem but the 1976 model year was the very first 5 cylinder diesel that came out. The basic engine design stayed the same as the years went by but there were a lot of minor changes made to the engine as time went on. I'm not sure if it is capable of using biodiesel without a lot of problems. If anyone has any personal experience or knows of anyone with a diesel this old I would greatly appreciate any feedback on whether or not they had any problems with any engine component because of biodiesel. Sorry about the length of the message and thanks for the time. Theo C ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing water
heated up to remove some methanol. Then I delute it 1/4 glycerin to 3/4 water add 1/4 cup blood or feather meal 1 cup bone meal and water my fruit trees with it. I live in Hawaii and my banana trees are very happyPunasurfer - Original Message - From: "tommy newman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] washing water I am very much interested of the effects if any the water used for washing the biodiesl has on plants and if it is put into rivers the effects, or what it contains. I have been told it contains salts i.e. Calcium and sodium /potassium but that has not been confirmed. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely
methanol for $40. I buy my methanol in 55 gal steel drums and pump it with that very pump... Doon't forget the resperator...Punasurfer - Original Message - From: "Kevin Shea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely After 11 months of research of biodiesel and pondering methanol safety, I have not come across any recent scenarios of dispensing methanol from a 55 gal metal drum to a BD methoxide processor (carboy) with only one exception. (On Journey to Forever's site) One chap using a 55 gal poly drum of methanol with a special bung cap fitted with a tire valve plug /shaft. The listed method is from memory, but I believe it is ...Applying compressed air to the tire plug will create pressure within the drum to exhaust pressured output (methanol) or pump methanol to the methoxide container etc. To purchase a 55 gal. drum or drums of methanol is a vast saving compared to buying meth. in 5 gal pails here on the northeast coast of the US. Methanol is your most expensive raw material when it comes to biodiesel production. My first question is 1.) How to dispense the Methanol from a 55 gal drum to my carboy safely using approved drum equipment? Model number of hand pumps helps to include with reply!! etc.? How do you ground the drum? I can make a ground 55 gal drum clamp w/wire and ground it to the arth. -Solved Method of delivery? Not sure how the chap purchased the Methanol in a poly drum, or maybe he transferred it, since methanol should most likely be sold in a metal drums?. 2.)Question is: Can't find a rated 55 gal. drum pump (hand) to use for methanol that is explosive proof and is rated for methanol. Any help Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment?
wouldn't buy another one though cause 55 gal drums work just as good. I get a new one everytime I buy 55 gal of methanol.Punasurfer - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment? Hello Howard Hello all, I've been using Gmail for a while now, and while I was reading list messages today the following came up as a sponsored ad: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com Is anyone using this type of processor? $3000 seems kinda steep for something I could build for about $500 including the tanks and pumps. Also, it looks like this processor is using poly tanks - I was under the impression that poly tanks were a major no-no. They do seem to have some useful information on fuel taxes and state regulations pertaining to biodiesel, but I can't see anyone buying one of their processors. What do you all think? Reagrds, Howard Swan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your instincts are very sound, trust them! This sort of rounds up a lot of previous discussion about this: With all the processor designs on your web site, possibly a person who considers themselves incapable of plumbing together a processor could hire someone to do it for them (local plumber?), and still come out way, way, way cheaper than any pre-bought system. Yes indeed, much cheaper and much better. This cost about $100: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html It's WAY superior to any of these allegedly ready-to-use for-sale things. As for Rudi's junk, instead of improving the thing so it might get within spitting distance of doing even a half-assed job, he's now supplying add-ons instead, at a 400% markup, so it now costs $4,300 with an extra tank and a heater, which should be standard, not extra. You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price. So what exactly is wrong with the thing? Quicker to ask what's right with it - nothing. But, please, do yourself a favour and spend some time reading through this stuff here, previous discussion on the FuelMeister: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=fuelmeister&time=6mon ths&usertime=2002-12-31 If that's all a bit much at first you can start with these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/28752/ Re: Now here's a nice little joke http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/29808/ Re: Off-the-Shelf Processors (When you access the messages, if you hit on "Click here for more on this subject" you get a clickable table of the whole thread.) Nobody here has an axe to grind (except the guy who keeps saying "Why do you have a problem with the FuelMeister?" only it turns out he sells them). We'd all just love to see a good ready-made that did a good job at a reasonable price, but, as I said in the first place, there isn't such a thing, sad to say. So much for the "processor", but it turns out the "process" is as bad or worse - the instructions Rudi sends out with the FuelMeister not only ensure poor quality, they're dangerous: http://forums.biodieselnow.com/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=17 801&TOPIC_ID=2668&FORUM_ID=3 Originally posted by girl Mark Obviously, the FuelMeister will cost you an extra $3,000-$4,000 for a reactor made of some really crappy materials, and if you were to follow their instructons you'd make an inferior product instead of 'biodiesel' (there's no way to make ASTM-grade biodiesel following their instructions, they've brought back the Dark Ages of methanol skimping among other things, including suggestions that you should wear a solvent respirator (there's no such thing for that works against methanol!!) and that you should open the lid of your reactor and evaporate a bunch of the excess methanol into your house/garage/work space after the reaction (duh!) oh and there's a recommendation to sniff your unwashed (ie very much methanol-containing) biodiesel as a sort of quality test -using your nose to test for excess methanol). Since they're counting on the fact that their customers probably aren't already homebrewing, and want to buy something without going through the process of learning it on their own, most of their customers won't know the hazards or shortcomings of the processes they're buying... by the way there's no filter for methanol that you can buy, and the fact that the FuelMeister claims that they have one in their reactor is an absolute travesty. Mark [more] http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35580/ That message ends like this: So, now, finally, the good news? Sure... You don't need the likes of Rudi and Joshua and their iffy offerings. You've come to the right place, you'll find everything you need right here, willingly given, free of charge, good information, good advice, and help and assistance from experienced biodieselers when you need it. But you're n
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel processors
doing it for two years now. Burn the stuff in a 2002 VW golf and now have 42,000 trouble free mileson it. Don't underestmate the power of the do-it- yerselfer...Punasurfer - Original Message - From: "Amzi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel processors myself with one of my partners and one employee have built a plant to produce bd in large quantity and have also extended our range to soap production on a large scale. nice soap not the knar-knar soap you see made from the nasty glycerine and other impurities remaining. So if u are going to make bd do it right because all the novices out there the so called experts , by there saying of course, are clowns who use internet propaganda to encourage normal people to drop the nasty chemicals on the ground with their drill mixers or to have these chemicals where their kid or dog can get to them. Biodiesel is a great thing but the producers taking advantage of the propaganda with their bs 40 gallon processors for sale at ridiculous prices is going to ruin this industry for us who are really trying to make a difference not just preying on a trend. Handling these chemicals at home or on a small scale is dangerous for all those interested start or join a coop where you can afford to do it right. For the rest stop making and using inferior bd before you destroy the industry by bragging and then your car breaks. We are trying to produce high quality bd by promoting extensive research and development not by mixing in a drum in our backyard while ours or our neighbor's kid plays on the swing. Nor are we selling an in inferior product which would eventually lead to the end of this industry new cars are no joke there not old vw's or mb's that can take crappy fuel they need the best. Im not trying to hate i just want people to se the big picture. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] biodiesel process agitation question
When you end up with emulsion, just store it away., the water will eventually settle out, although it will take about 4 weeks.punasurfer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency
running 50/50 cause of the warranty issue. We have 40,000 mi so far no problems. Just be sure to water wash your batches. - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency My $.02. I believe it was the 2004 TDI that was at issue due to the type of pump they switched to. If memory serves correctly the preceeding years were just fine. I have a 1983 240D Mercedes that is presently getting the screen filter (sediment filter) in the tank changed as well as the fuel lines. The absolute necessity of the change of fuel lines might be up for question although some have experienced problems with the return line and it may need to be changed, but again, if memory serves, that was for pre-'85 cars so your '95 should be OK other than a filter change after a couple tank fills. That is what happened with mine; tw o or three tank fulls of B100 and all the accumulated crap from 21 years of Dr. Dino came loose :) The problem will not have time to reoccur. Luc - Original Message - From: "Buck Corrigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] VW TDI efficiency Hi Ken; I'm just finishing my first 150 l. batch of biodiesel. I seem to remeber someone saying the newer VW TDI's didn't like the biodiesel very much. Have you experienced any problems other than having to change filters? I've got an older ford diesel (95) I plan to run on the biodiesel, and my wife has a 2000 Jetta TDI. She'a a bit nervous about using home-made fuel in her "baby". Any comments would be appreciated. Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
