RE: [biofuel] California 240D worth a go?
Yes!! Getting a 1974 240 D converted to SVO later this month...I heard the M-B can even run straight unheated SVO, but heating it is better, especially in winter... Greg -Original Message- From: Leah and David Mueller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 4:09 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] California 240D worth a go? I live near Calgary Ab, and have seen a 1976 California Benz 240D for sale. Is this a SVO or Biodiesel unit waiting to happen? David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] waste crankcase oil
ADM from Decataur, IL is the one cleaning up..Biggest in Europe with biodiesel -Original Message- From: Mark E. Wishart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 10:02 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] waste crankcase oil I belief here is an opportunity for WVO to be brought into the picture. What a concept. Who is going to lock up the market and become the next Getty Family? Ed, You are correct, of course. It is practical. And if all the WCO were recycled as lube oil(best use) petroleum would have to be diverted to provide the process heat to the asphalt plants. I suppose that I really was feeling that it is wasteful (and counterproductive) to require so much permitting of WCO recyclers that might wish to produce lube oil that they are in effect prevented from doing so. Dana --- Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does it feel wasteful to you, Dana? We need roads, and they need to heat the stuff. I don't see anything wrong with the practice. It seems practical enough. Edward Beggs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me?
The DOE, Dept of Energy had a Conference on alternative fuels in Philadelphia this year. http://www.ccities.doe.gov/philly_conference.shtml Here's their regular web page: http://www.ccities.doe.gov/ All the big boys were in Philadelphia, but there was no one representing waste vegetable oil as fuel. More than 3 or 4 booths covered biodiesel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me? I was looking at sites about alternative fuels today, and I read all about biodeisel, which I have never heard of, and I could not believe we don't have this in the US! Does anyone know why, and does anyone know who to contact to lobby to get this stuff and the cars to go with it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me?
I meant using waste vegetable oil as fuel directly, instead of converting it first into biodiesel. -Original Message- From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:13 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me? The biodiesel was made from recycled cooking oil. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg Yohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me? The DOE, Dept of Energy had a Conference on alternative fuels in Philadelphia this year. http://www.ccities.doe.gov/philly_conference.shtml Here's their regular web page: http://www.ccities.doe.gov/ All the big boys were in Philadelphia, but there was no one representing waste vegetable oil as fuel. More than 3 or 4 booths covered biodiesel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me? I was looking at sites about alternative fuels today, and I read all about biodeisel, which I have never heard of, and I could not believe we don't have this in the US! Does anyone know why, and does anyone know who to contact to lobby to get this stuff and the cars to go with it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me?
Maybe you miss understood me. I said the BIG BOYS were in Philadelphia showing off their alternative energy powered vehicles. GM, Ford. Daimler Chrysler as well as other major companies heard around your house WERE showing their new vehicles! Check out this link showing most of the exhibitors: http://www.ccities.doe.gov/exhibitor.html Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:02 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me? The reason is simple. The big boys refuse to give up the monopoly on the cash cow. Alternate fuels and power for all applications have been around as long as fossil fuels, but the cash train has been feeding the oil rich for far to long. We need to stand together and change the face of power. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me?
NOPE! I wrote this! Maybe you miss understood me. I said the BIG BOYS were in Philadelphia showing off their alternative energy powered vehicles. GM, Ford. Daimler Chrysler as well as other major companies heard around your house WERE showing their new vehicles! Check out this link showing most of the exhibitors: http://www.ccities.doe.gov/exhibitor.html Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:28 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can anyone tell me? In a message dated 12/02/2001 8:55:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason is simple. The big boys refuse to give up the monopoly on the cash cow. Alternate fuels and power for all applications have been around as long as fossil fuels, but the cash train has been feeding the oil rich for far to long. We need to stand together and change the face of power. :(. I don't know how to do that. Do you know how to do that? C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves
They are available! The stoves are similar to pellet stoves! They burn dried field corn kernels. Greg -Original Message- From: Steve W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:08 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves Hello, I've seen some ads and heard some stuff about stoves to heat ones home that burn common kernals of field corn. Does anyone know about these? Do they do a good job? Which brands are good? Steve = Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Vv.L9D/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engine Question.
Get a cheap diesel! I have a 1985 VW Jetta with about 280,000 miles. It cost $600. Gets about 42 mpg! Can your gas car do that? Its can run on cooking oil, too! Greg -Original Message- From: Steve W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:00 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engine Question. Steve, Is yours an older VW from the 80's or so? I'm still learning about diesels. I'm trying to rationalize getting an older diesel VW so I can burn straight biodiesel and give big oil my little old middle finger. Steve --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my vw already routes extra fuel back to tank Steve Spence = Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Here's a German company that sells a heating oil burner that uses cooking oil in a heating oil burner to heat the home. http://www.it-ag.de/Englisch/index1.html -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:31 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil Steve: What do you think about using this burner setup to burn waste vegetable oil? Used automobile oil does not burn as clean. I saw a german company selling a cooking oil burner to replace home heating oil, but this example would be good to start off! Give me a call, so I can see your VW Diesel Genset in operation! Greg There's another one here: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Also Skip Goebel just posted this to the Bioenergy list at CREST, see below. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:12:24 EDT Subject: BIO DIESEL/WASTE OIL MIX TEST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just finished testing biodiesel/waste oil mix. using a standard gun burner, with electric ignition, 2.5gph, 90 deg.f. outside temp. in mixtures up to 1/3 waste oil, there is clean burn and 100% ignition. over 1/3 up to 1/2 gives clean burn with no emmisions but ignition occurs only when fuel is over 70deg.f. higher mixture is possible, but not practical in small units, and unreliable in interuppted firing on cold days. also, emmisions start to show up. oil was used peanut oil, transestered and water washed. no gelling until 30 deg.f. cost of finished product is 23 cents/gal. i believe that a 50% mix used on cold days...say 40 deg.f., would be possible if bio diesel is made from oils with omega 3 acids in order to facilitate flow and more oxygen in fuel. conclusionwhile it is easy to burn fuels in burners over 5gph, this shows it is possible to utilize a standard unmodified gun burner of 2.5 gph. the standard size used for personal and small commercial applications. in addition, CO emmissions are almost 90% less than straight waste or #6 oiland this could be applied in a 50/50 mix on large burners. - Original Message -- From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:57:44 -0400 htmlbody tt check out the multi fuel burner atBR a href=http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm;http:// www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm/aBR BR Steve SpenceBR Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: cost
Want a high mileage car? Try a 1985 VW Diesel Jetta. Mine gets between 43-44 miles per gal and it has over 276,000 miles. Greg -Original Message- From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 10:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cost I understand I just don't like being part of a generalization that includes the 'Ford Excursion' that seats some 400 comfortably and gets 8 miles to the gallon [the latter figure not being sarcastic in some cases] Well I guess the sad truth is, people are still not worried about fuel efficiency - just the other day I saw a Dodge Truck commercial advertising The most powerful V10 in it's class Sometimes this is necessary but I am willing to bet the difference between towing a trailer with a V8 and V10 is having to step on the gas a little harder. So basically it comes down to money, if no one can afford to run a 15 MPG SUV, eventually they will smarten up and buy something that gets better mileage. My gasoline-burning Chevy Cavalier gets around 33 MPG, this is my gas guzzling pile of crap - Sorry but I'm not buying that idea. You should see what else is rolling around here. -Martin --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: economical well designed efficient engines rather than gas guzzling piles of crap Do you know what I or anyone else here drives? No Then everything else you said related to that is null and void. :-) Europeans tend not to hold US cars in very high esteem, but hell, don't take any notice, it's just a side-skirmish in the North Atlantic culture wars. If you want to hit him in what may be a sore spot ask him whatever happened to the Great British car industry of yore - is there any of it left that isn't owned by Yanks, Jerries, Frogs, Eyeteyes or Japs? But don't dismiss the gist of his argument just because he's itching for a tussle. Look at the current fuss in the US over an extra 3 mpg - which would give you, what, 23 mpg? That's pathetic. And it prolly isn't even going to happen. European cars do up to 80mpg, and that's without a massive cash-cow like the PNGV, billions in taxpayers' money chucked at industry to achieve what? 80mpg. With no marketable results in the showrooms. The only economical cars you can get there are European and Japanese, and the ridiculously cheap price of US gas has a lot to do with that. But - about the most stylish thing you can drive in Japan is (wait for it) a massive, 12mpg 1950s US V8 gas-guzzler with fins. You see big groups of them going on outings together at the weekends. They're great! I love them! Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Sierra Club's Dismal Daniel Becker
I'd like to let you folks know that the some of the major biodiesel companies push B20 biodiesel over B100. Based on that data for whatever reasons, I can see why the Sierra Club uses B20 Data. Yet, the Sierra Club does not point out that 20% reduction of diesel use is better than nothing!!! -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:49 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Sierra Club's Dismal Daniel Becker Several weeks ago I spoke with Daniel Becker at the Sierra Club's corporate office in Washington, DC. The topic of discourse was a recently posted article to biofuels where Mr. Becker relegated biodiesel to status of no better than low sulfur diesel and an alternative fuel which the Sierra Club could not endorse, as it might prove only to become a substitute for clean burning natural gas. The technical data which Mr. Becker used to support such liberal claims against biodiesel were actually derived from B-20 emissions studies, not B-100 (true biodiesel). When this was pointed out, along with the fact that the stated position of the Sierra Club grossly mis-represented the truth to millions of the club's members and the public at large, Mr. Becker stood pat with his response. The following topics were broached in conversation, all to no avail; the concept of carbon neutral (biodiesel is and natural gas is not), comparative inefficient fuel economy of natural gas, unparalleled capital infusion to renovate fueling infrastructure to deliver natural gas (read decades to implement), massive renovation or manufacture of transportation vehicles to utilize natural gas (read enormous consumer dis-benefit), sky rocketing cost of natural gas (read again consumer dis-benefit), year in and year out delays in implementation as lobbying groups fight such change and the inevitable loss of lives annually until such an infrastructure exists. Apparently Mr. Becker's opinion holds some sway with news reporting agencies, as his comments continue to emerge in articles on a regular basis. Unfortunately, these news agencies tend to roll Mr. Becker, Sierra Club, their membership and all other environmentally inclined individuals into the same environmentalists burrito. I submit to this list and or anyone that Mr. Becker does not speak for those who truly understand energy, infrastructure and or health issues, and that his and Sierra's stated position discounting biodiesel in the effort to pave the way for the transportation sector's conversion to natural gas is at best going to perpetuate the erosion of human health for the next quarter century, culminating in untold loss of human life - unintentionally or not. The last time I read Sierra's bylaws, these results were written nowhere within as being preferential. The most thoughtless statement Mr. Becker has made lately is in the snipped article below, previously posted to this group. In this instance, Mr. Becker not only looks down his nose at a vehicle which achieves an unprecedented ~78 miles a gallon, but fails to inform the public that the emission reductions of such a vehicle could easily match its impressive fuel economy if biodiesel were the fuel of choice, rather than petro-diesel One can only hope that the next time Mr. Becker misses the boat, which appears to be rather frequently, that he is forced to swim for it. Should his pockets fill with silt, sharks dine on him or he hypothermiate, it might prove all the better for those who are truly attempting to preserve human and environmental health, today, tomorrow and in perpetuity. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/27/business/27DIES.html May 27, 2001 It Gets 78 Miles a Gallon, but U.S. Snubs Diesel By EDMUND L. ANDREWS with KEITH BRADSHER FRANKFURT, May 26 - To judge by the mileage it can get, the Audi A2 sounds like just the kind of exotic hybrid-fuel car that President Bush would want to promote with his new energy plan. The sporty new four-door compact has a top speed of 100 miles an hour. It can travel 78 miles on a single gallon of fuel and emits fewer greenhouse gases than almost any other vehicle on the market. Yet the A2 has at its core a technology that generates scorn in the United States: the diesel engine. snip Engines emit carbon dioxide and other gases implicated in global warming in direct proportion to the amount of diesel or gasoline they burn, so vehicles with more efficient diesel engines emit less of these gases. And today's diesel engines produce far fewer tiny soot particles than just seven years ago. As a result, European environmentalists and government officials have been much more comfortable with diesels than their American counterparts. A liter of diesel takes one farther and produces fewer greenhouse gases, said Albrecht Schmidt, a top
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472
David: Steve is talking about 15 feet. Its a hose-within-a-hose using insulated radiator hose and copper tubing. Greg Yohn -Original Message- From: David Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:27 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 Steve do you mean 15 inch or 15 feet? Someone recently mentioned shotgun heat exchangers on this n.g or the distillers n.g. and this is an ideal situation for its application I imagine. Would be easy enough to rig one of these up between the motor and the engine in place of the return hose I imagine. In this case you might have to use a higher temperature actauated thermostat but should work very well I thought. Other alternative is to tap into the system before the thermostat and return it just before it. In this case you may then need to insulate the heat exchanger body especially for winter driving as if the heat exchanger takes too much heat out of the water the thermostat may close shutting your water flow off. B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 stay tuned for the pics of the vw jetta that Greg Yohn and I are converting to veggie oil. I designed and built the 15' long heat exchanger yesterday, Greg is designing the heated tank this weekend. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472
I know it sounds simple, but copper fittings are soldered together and then the copper tubing is soldered in place forcing the coolant out the side T fitting. Its much better than compression fittings and copper heats the oil better than plastic tubing in transit to the fuel injectors. Hey, its so easy that I can do it Greg -Original Message- From: David Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 What keeps the copper tube in the centre of the hose or is this spirally wound? B.r., David - Original Message - From: Greg Yohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 472 David: Steve is talking about 15 feet. Its a hose-within-a-hose using insulated radiator hose and copper tubing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes
Corrected Web link: http://www.bioxcorp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:18 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes Hello, This Canadian company BIOX (http://www.bioxcorp.com claims they can make biodiesel in 10 minutes using additional ingredients. Does anyone know any other possible process to speed the reaction like this company? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] list
We're stuck with them! -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] list Excuse me, I just joined the list, and I've looked all over the yahoo/groups stuff trying to figure out how to turn off the banner ads I'm getting with the mail from this list. It says attachments are disabled for the list - as they should be -- but I'm getting the html ads anyway. Anybody know how to kill them? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
1)Yes, the Italians regular use it. Your fuel filter would probably need to be replaced after initially using it, since the sludge in the bottom of your oil tank would get cleaned out and fill up your filter. 2)Yes, just like it can be blended with regular diesel. 3)All Bonus answer: Have you tried cooking oil with kerosene? I have and it works in a 50/50 ratio, but in the winter I'd go with 60 kerosene / 40 Oil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner? I have some questions. Does anyone know the answers, or where to look? 1)Can biodiesel be used in a modern heating oil burner? 2)Can it be blended with petroleum-based diesel and used in a modern heating oil burner? 3)Are there any particular types or brands of modern heating oil burner that can use biodiesel or a blend of biodiesel and petroleum- based diesel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Bio Fuel kits for Diesel autos
I'm planning a couple of ways to preheat the oil. 1) Try plugging in your car with a engine preheater. I'm going to use a 2000 watt unit that someone said should heat my coolant in 15 minutes prior to starting the engine. 2) A DC powered fuel heater; either glow plug based, or 12 volt beverage heater element, or something like the two mentioned. 3) A heat exchanger made from 1 pipe where the fuel line passes through and preheats the fuel. I'm getting a commercially made diesel truck fuel heater. 4) A hose-within-a-hose that heats the fuel line as a larger radiator hose surrounds the fuel line. The fuel line could be 3/8 and the radiator hose 1/2. Get the proper fittings to T off the heater hoses. 5) A heat exchanger of 25 ft. of soft copper tubing fillled with engine coolant used to preheat the oil in your fuel tank.The supply of hot coolant comes when you cut into your heater hoses. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:42 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Bio Fuel kits for Diesel autos Hi, First, I'd like to thank those who gave me input on what to buy for a biodiesel car, a mercedes or VW Jetta or whatever. I went with your suggestions and stuck with the VDubs. I got four VW diesels from a friend although it will probably be a couple of weeks or so before I can pick them up. Between the four, I should have two good vehicles going in the near future to veg out with. I got a '81 Rabbit diesel, a '79 Rabbit diesel w/German body '84 low mileage engine, a '80 Rabbit diesel truck that got hot and a '81 Jetta diesel, all for $150 cash (US). I love cheap cars to fix up. I got ten cars/trucks/vans now (fourteen with the diesels coming) and my last two was a FREE '90 Dodge Colt which is my daily driver now that I did not have to spend a dime to get going and a $200 1990 Geo Metro that is my MPG test vehicle. I did a baseline check on it and I'm getting a consistant 52 mpg on it now, absolutely stock. Now it's time to play with it some!! :-) The rest I spent anywhere from $400 to $700 for and do ALL the work on my fleet myself and love it. On my diesels, I plan to run SVO/SRO (depending on who I'm talking to I guess) that I'll have an abundant supply of via the local school systems cafeterias. My wife works for a elementary school now that is four miles away from us that my daughter attends. They said that I could get everything in that school and the middle school and high schools as well if I want and they are about a mile or two from the elementary school. Fuel should not be a problem at any rate. Question: What is the heat exchanger for and where does it go exactly? I suppose the tank and lines need to be heated if I'm getting my info right. That is no problem for me. I thought originally about using my dc to ac inverter and plugging in a heating pad or two if needed and putting them under the tank that I'll be using. Also, could use heat tape like is used to keep plumbing thawed out in the winter when the temp dips way down. Has anyone ever tried this I wonder? Is that what the heat exchanger is supposed to be for, heating the oil and lines? If so, then at which point do you want to put it and what is the heat source, water or exhaust? That wouldn't put a draw on my alternator if that was the case. How should I go about filtering the recylced oil. I'm cool about switching back to regular diesel before shutdown, running up the temp before I switch to veg oil and that sort of thing, that's OK with me. Is there anything else I need to be aware of before delving into this thing? One more thing: Where is the from fryer to fuel tank located. Is that a book or a web page? Thanks immensely for your help. I appreciated it a lot!! :-) Sam Dabbs --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: second tank, fuel lines solenoid, heat exchanger, etc. See from the fryer to fuel tank Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: tom wiggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio Fuel kits for Diesel autos What does a conversion kit consist of? steve spence wrote: you don't need a conversion kit for biodiesel, but you would for straight veggie oil (SVO) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm
RE: [biofuel] Bio Bug on its way
Hey! I saw the Bio Bug today in Philadelphia, PA . I saw at least 3 Biodiesel companies with exhibits, plus the national biodiesel board. The guys from Nevada were helpful. I downloaded the National Clean Cities Conference booklet at http://ccities.doe.gov and found out that Straight Vegetable Oil, (SVO), was not at the conference. So, I spoke with the Clean Cities Personnel and explained the concept to the folks. I showed the, From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank, book to folks explaining the concept. Ford, GM, Honda, and other big names were there as well. Propane, LP, CNG, hydrogen, electricity, and biodiesel were represented. I didn't see methane, but one consulting firm could be advising its clients about that fuel. The public was allowed to visit in the afternoon, but I was one of the few if any locals attending the exhibits. Another biodiesel advocate friend is planning to be there tomorrow. Personally, I found a local biodiesel refilling depot, but unfortunately I don't have a 7,000 gal fuel tanker at my disposal to retrieve it for my car's use. Seven Thousand gallons would last me over 300,000 miles and my car already has 275,000. Any questions about the conference, please contact me! Greg -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:06 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Bio Bug on its way Follow the Bio Bug as it travels across the country to the National Clean Cities Conference at http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Jerusalem artichoke
Try Jatropha and see what can be done at http://jatropha.org . Its a tropical plant that I believe will grow in Jereusalem. It produces an inedible oil that can be use as fuel when pressed. Greg -Original Message- From: F. Marc de Piolenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:59 PM To: Biofuel List Subject: [biofuel] Jerusalem artichoke David Reid wrote: Will dig out some more information for you over the next week or so on Jeruasalem artichokes if I get a chance. How long are you in the Phillipines for? If you are going to be there for awhile it may pay to get some seed from the World Seed Bank and do a few growing trials. That way you will get a bit of knowledge and quickly sort out which varieties are likely to be most successful in specific or a variety of locations. I'm here permanently. Moved here shortly after marrying a local schoolteacher. Long term projects are no problem. Already working with my local Rotary club on their reforestation project that has been going since 1996 - 28 hectares of bald mountaintop now holding rain instead of shedding it. Now working on a livelihood assistance project to keep the trees from being cut before their time. Would like to know more about the World Seed Bank. I've found a surprising amount of information on the jerusalem artichoke on-line - about 16 pages worth. Still pretty sketchy, though, and all oriented to moderate climates. Best, Marc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
Try 50/50 kerosene/SVO! I used new oil and kerosene and it worked in my driveway testing. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 3:29 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil? Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our members is also considering using the glycerine component of BD production as home heating fuel and so will need to have this type of setup to keep it liquid. He has no room in his basement for the tanks and so is planning on building an insulated shed on the side of his home large enough for a 500 gallon tank. He has chosen as his project to try modifying a standard fuel oil furnace gun to work with the Glycerine component of BD production. Does anyone have any pointers having done this themselves. Theorys? thanks Dana I know Aleks was running his furnace on glyc from his original two-stage process (base-base), which gives thin glyc, but he said he stopped doing it because the glyc left a deposit which kept clogging the furnace. It's a problem that's worth trying to crack. Please keep the list informed - also on progress with WVO as heating fuel. Someone suggested to me that the glyc might best be used as a binding agent to make sawdust pellets for stoves. Todd mentioned mixing it with sawdust, but didn't say more - what then, Todd? A caution though - the National Toxicology Program has listed wood dust as a carcinogen, because of the danger of arsenic and chemical additives. http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/NewHomeRoc/AboutRoC.html Nominated by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration based on IARC2 finding identification of sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in human epidemiology studies and identifying wood dust as a Group 1- Known Human Carcinogen (Vol. 62, 1995). IARC listing based on increases in cancer, particularly cancer of the nasal cavities and paranasal sinuses, associated with exposure to wood dust. See also: Carcinogen list may include wood dust, talc http://enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/04/04162001/carcinogens_43022.asp Burning arsenic-treated wood in a home furnace is a no-no. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Americans feel gas cost crunch Poll: Almost 6 in 10 will drive less this summer
Over here in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania where we have road taxes unlike NJ, my wife has decided to change her driving habits. Now, she has asked me to drive the family to Church on Sunday in my 1985 VW Diesel Jetta, instead of taking the gas powered Plymouth Grand Voyager. My diesel prices have fallen, while her unleaded price is now $.10 more a gal. It used to be $.20 more a gal for diesel. I get 43-44 miles per gal, too! Her mileage is not worth discussing LOL Greg -Original Message- From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:02 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Americans feel gas cost crunch Poll: Almost 6 in 10 will drive less this summer here in NJ this is a different story. We go where we want/need to go, and bitch and moan at the pump, as we hand over our credit card. no change in consumption though. it's life as usual. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: [biofuel] Americans feel gas cost crunch Poll: Almost 6 in 10 will drive less this summer http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010511/3311291s.htm Americans feel gas cost crunch Poll: Almost 6 in 10 will drive less this summer By Susan Page USA TODAY WASHINGTON -- Almost six in 10 Americans will drive less this summer because of rising gasoline prices, a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll has found. And nearly half said gas price increases already have caused them financial hardship. In the survey Monday through Wednesday, the public was convinced the energy situation was serious. Most favored conservation over increasing production. The poll bolsters the Bush administration's view that the nation faces a serious energy problem. But the preference for conservation could be a red flag: A White House energy plan to be formally unveiled Thursday has been criticized by environmentalists for emphasizing exploration over conservation. ''We assume significantly increased conservation going forward,'' Vice President Cheney, who heads an energy task force, said Thursday in an interview with USA TODAY. ''But even with greater efficiencies in how we use energy, in order to close the gap between expanded demand and supply, we still have to produce more supply.'' President Bush's job approval-disapproval rating was 53%-33%, the worst of his young presidency. Three weeks earlier, his job approval rating was 62%-29%. The poll of 1,005 adults has a margin of error of +/-3 percentage points. Almost everyone said there is a serious energy problem; 58% called it very serious and 36% fairly serious. And 56% said higher gas prices were permanent. An overwhelming 83% predicted prices would be even higher in a month. The poll also indicated: * 91% favor investing in new sources of energy such as solar and wind. More than three of four supported mandating more energy-efficient appliances and buildings, and a partnership between the government and automakers for more fuel-efficient cars. * Bush's plan to explore in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska was the only measure that drew majority opposition, 57%-38%. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Tallow
Look out for a high freeze point, which may be unacceptable to your Winter customers! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:16 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Tallow , My name is Frank Wishart from Queensland Australia and i am interested in making BioDiesel from low grade tallow one of the drawbacks as i see it is the high FFA at +15% althoough if used on a daily basis this would be reduced. I have access to 800lt/day and am looking into the feasibility of setting up a plant to handle this quanity. Has anyone in the group had any experience in Beef tallow, As a result of BSE this low grade tallow is readily available and inexpensive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Model Engines
Sorry to shoot your idea down, but I found out that people laugh at model engines. They just don't laugh as hard when they see it being done in a diesel car. So, if you still want a year old model engine that will runs on biodiesel, I'll sell you mine!!! Used it 3 or 4 times. Greg -Original Message- From: Jeremy Shuey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:05 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Model Engines Does anyone know where a person could buy or build a working model of a diesel engine? I want to use the engine to burn the biodiesel that I make in demonstrations and also be able to do some testing with it. Any information would be appreciated. Also, the less expensive, the better. ;-) Thanks in advance. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] 1986 Ford escort wagon-diesel
I got a 1985 VW Diesel Jetta for $600 last June. I would get one again over the Ford diesel. Right now I get between 43-44 miles per gal. and I have almost 274,000 miles on it. A VW Dealer would only give me $300 Wholesale for it as a trade-in on a new 2001 VW Diesel TDI Jetta. They wanted almost $400 for 5 years in payments. Go with VW, the parts are available here!! Greg -Original Message- From: Tim Castleman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:42 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] 1986 Ford escort wagon-diesel I came upon an original owner 1986 Ford Escort wagon that is diesel front wheel drive. The glove box is full of receipts, and he says there are more. It started right up but I did not drive it as one tire was flat. Asking US$900. The guy says it is only one of 250 and that he had to send to Spain to get a replacement head (it's third). The car is dirty but complete straight, even nice. So, I am intrigued, or am I headed for a bunch a headaches better off with VW or M. Benz? Or is there someone with experience on this model that would offer advice? Thanks, Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Methanol
Try looking for methanol at a local Speed Shop, car parts for hotrods. My local place sells it for $2.50 per gal or $110, plus $10 deposit for 55 gal. Greg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biofuels Digest
Use this method to only get the info when you want it. http://groups.yahoo.com/ Greg - Original Message - From: Anvil Iron To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: [biofuel] Biofuels Digest Hello, Im new to this group. Can I recieve this in digest form? Regards Regards. Colin.Morton Perth, Western Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
I buy my methanol from an auto speed shop. (Those of you unfamiliar with the term or out of the U.S., it is a auto parts store that sells auto racing parts and sells methanol used in those modified machines.) I get it for $2.50 a gal in a Philadelphia, PA suburb. Your price to make biodiesel is close to mine. I used to use 20% methanol per liter of oil. Now, I use 13% and it works fine. My technique is a closed system, thereby saving methanol. I use 5 gal jugs to shake up my lye, methanol, and then my 120F oil. An open system probably would need 20% methanol, since the meth would burn off in the reaction. Greg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source OK, here's the results of my price survey in Dallas, Texas on 02/12/01. These prices are for pickup at the warehouse in US dollars. Found these vendors under Solvents in Yellow Pages. (Called four vendors) One drum @ 55 gallons - $2.16/gal to $2.48/gal = $119 to $136 Quoted last week from racing fuel vendor 55 gallons for $110 (Called four, only one sold in 5 gal can) One can @ 5 gallons - $3.45/gal + $5.00 for can = $18 ($22 w can) Consensus was that the price of natural gas was driving up the price over the last couple of months. Even with the increase, comes in at 50 to 70 cents per gallon for boid. This excludes labor and energy in production process. JV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982028172/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Check out FREE ELECTRICITY! Register your home for use of our alternative ene
You should have used a credit card when purchasing the product. If its a scam and you won't get a tape, you can tell your credit card company about the fraudulent act and NOT pay legally. Only time will tell if they will install the product in your home! Greg - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Check out FREE ELECTRICITY! Register your home for use of our alternative ene Greg said: Why do I smell a scam here? I expect the same, but am curious. I ordered their video tape for $6.95. That order resulted in the following email reply. We'll see what happens next... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:32:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Purchase Order - DB Enterprises From: David W Bridwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I received the following order for the free electric registration. I could take a credit card over the phone or you could send a check to the address below. Be sure to include your name address and phone number. I will record your name, address and phone number on a certificate which will serve as a confirmation that you are registered for the free electricity program with United Community services of America. I will send you a copy and the other copy will go to the Ucsa office. Before the install is to take place a local electrical contractor will contact you to set up the install. An estimated time frame would be towards the end of the year. Thanks Dave Make check out to: DB Enterprises 2803 Greene St. Adel, Iowa 50003 515-993-4619 -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982028425/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] oil sellers
If you want cheap oil that you can afford, you need to press your own oil or use used oil, otherwise the price for new oil will cost very much more than regular diesel in the U.S. If you are from outside the U.S., new oil will be less than diesel. Greg - Original Message - From: Daniel To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: [biofuel] oil sellers Hello all. I am new to the list. Are there any known sorces of vegi-oil? Perhaps someone who would sell a simgle 55 gallon drum.. It seams that clean oil would be a lot less trouble if it does not cost to much.. Also has anyone come up with a continous home processor? Im shure Ill have many questions later :) Thanks, daniel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982034426/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: warning for yahoogroups - yahoo accounts
I doubt it. Look to Yahoo.com, since egroups.com is no more!!! - Original Message - From: David Penfold To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: warning for yahoogroups - yahoo accounts As an aside, having been part of the biofuel group before conversion to Yahoo, I am receiving my e-Mails fine. However, after having visited the yahoo.com/mygroups and created a Yahoo groups account, I noticed that it would not let me subscribe to any further yahoo groups without converting my current hotmail e-Mail account to a yahoo one (i.e. creating a yahoo e-Mail account). Does this mean that any new biofuel subscribers have to use a yahoo e-Mail account to receive the postings? If so, is there any way of changing this? David warning for yahoogroups _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981328502/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel from animal fats
Hi! I'll give you one quick difference between animal fat and plant oil which is a fat. The freeze point of the raw material. Do you notice bacon or beef fat getting hard at room temperature after it cools down? My used vegetable oil is partially hydranated, so it gets hard below normal room temperature. If you are planning to use your biodiesel fuel in the winter, if will probably be too thick to run 100% in your engine. I need to add an anti-gel additive to regular diesel, but even more so for biodiesel. Its freeze point is higher than diesel. Greg - Original Message - From: Asil Toksal To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 5:46 AM Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel from animal fats hi, i have already tried making biodiesel from vegetable oils and wasted oils, but i was wondering what the difference is, between animal fat and vegetable oils. so my questions are what is the difference of animal fats and wasted oils in producing biodiesel? dows the free fatty acids (ffa) play an important role in the process of making biodiese? ace Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981242083/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] selling the excess???
Check out this web site. Because of their web site, I learned about biodiesel!! They have articles from their magazine that answer your questions. They cover solar, wind, and hydro electric power. It is downloadable, too! http://www.homepower.com Quickly, I'd say that depending on where you live, the electric comapny may buy back your excess electricity at the same rate you're charged, for LESS,or not at all. If you have the proper equipment, when the power line is down, your electricity won't go back through the lines. Remember, get the proper professional advice. I just know that I read articles mentioning that the system in the article had that feature. That is the main excuse why electric companies don't want you hooked up to your own source of electricity, even if you won't let it go back up the line. Of course, what business wants competition? Greg - Original Message - From: 6undr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: [biofuel] selling the excess??? Suppose I was a genius, or a nut... and actually produced more electricity than I consumed. Is the utility required to buy my excess power? If they are selling to me for .07 per kilowatt hour will they pay that much, or give me a penny and send me packing? Assuming my generator were on and 5 miles away a line went down, and a utility worker grapped the line, what would keep him from being electrocuted by my generator and me being sued? I've heard lots of rumors but am ready for fact. If you know for sure please enlighten me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] screens
Screen means filter. A metal filter versus paper paper that catches contaminants down to 20 micron or 5 micron. Sounds like it can be reused. Greg - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: [biofuel] screens Would some kind soul be good enough to educate me about screens? 20-micron screen, 5-micron screen - what exactly does that mean? And how would you measure the gauge of a fine screen? Thanks much Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] LOOK AT YOUR CETANE
LOOK AT YOUR CETANE AT THE PUMPS! Due to this topic being mentioned, a couple of weeks ago I found that my local Sunoco diesel fuel had only 42 Cetane. Two miles away at another Sunoco station I found out that they had 45 Cetane. Can anyone explain why 45 Cetane costs $1.70 @ gal. and 42 Cetane costs $1.80 @ gal. coming from the same oil refinery? I thought more Cetane was more costly!!! - Original Message - From: Rob Lindig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel fuel A belated reply but i just recently came across a truck stop that sells #1 diesel for 1.88/gal (#2 is 1.72/gal) I remember when all truck stops sold #1 and #2 fuel but there are still a few that do. The station is in western Montana and i was wondering if #1 would be better to mix with biodiesel, or more precisely if one could mix a higher percentage of biodiesel with the #1, say b-50 for winter driving where the avg morning temp is around 10 F. I ask because if it is more refined it probably has a better gel point and could accomodate more biodiesel with a fairly high gel point especially if using WVO. Happy New Year All Bob - Original Message - From: stephen lakios To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:49 PM Subject: [biofuel] diesel fuel Years ago,truck stops and farm suppliers used to sell # 1 diesel fuel. I cannot find anyone selling it now.I used it in a mercedes to clean it out once in a while.There was #1 and #2, #1 was about .15 to .20cents a gallon more than #2 and that was the problem.Very few people bought it.It was an excellent, clean, and more refined diesel fuel.Some truckers I knew used it and nothing else,saying they got 50% or more MPG.And thier engines lasted several 100,000 miles longer.I tore down some of those old diesel engines that had one to two million miles on them. They were very clean and easy to work on.Of course these drivers took care of thier equipment.Almost everyone I knew ran a tank full of #1 at least once a year.Or put a quart of automatic transmission fluid in thier tank to clean the injection pump and injectors.And a pint of brake fluid in the transmissions to clean the gums and residues out.I put a cup of brake fluid in my automatic tranny when it started to stick and not shift.An old trick we used year eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
