Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
Jan, yes it did pass your test. Keith, thanks for the advice. Sometimes I can get so focused on the trees I forget the forest. I have made another batch and I'm going to be much more particular with how I decant the biodiesel off the top. Thanks to all for your help. Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110917/9d0938a7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
I just reprocessed this last batch using 100ml of methanol and 5.5g KOH. It turned darker and there are little cooties floating around in it. Also, nothing settled out. Upon doing the wash test, it immediately formed an emulsion, although the methanol test yields a nice clear phase with no settle material. I am confused. I'm going to move on and make another batch, but I'd like to know what went wrong so I can at least learn something. Any ideas? On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ian and Jubilee Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've let the BD separate for over 24 hours, which I thought should be enough time. My method for separating could be suspect. I'm decanting out of a settling bottle and tried to be careful, but it is possible that some glycerine sneaked past. I think getting a better set up going is going to make it a lot easier to be consistent. I just put my third batch through the methanol and wash tests and this time I've got some settling in the methanol so I think I'm going to reprocess it. The wash test turned out the same. Here's a link to a picture: https://picasaweb.google.com/ianandjubilee/Biodiesel?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNSD4sbwsfyjYAfeat=directlink I also was wondering it our water softener could have an effect. Could softened water create more of a problem? Thanks for the help, Ian On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello C Pinelli. Did you check the FFA and water contents on your raw material before processing ? FFA levels above 5 mg KOH/g (2,5%) will produce a lot of soaps, making the processing bad and the separation even worse. The water content will promote the soap production and will also compete with the methanol. The highest acceptable water content is around 1,5% and the lower the better. - Original Message - From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer I am having a similar problem, I have experience making ethanol successfully, but I'm new to biodiesel. I've been trying to get it right for some time with many many test batches, without too much success. I've followed the instructions as closely as possible, but still can't quite get it right. I use 90% KOH Flakes, a scale thats accurate to the hundreth of a gram, and am incredibly meticulous in my measurements. I've had mixed (but mostly good)results with the methanol test, but have never consistantly passed the wash test. Sometimes I get a very thick separation line between the two, sometimes I get clear water on the bottom with a yellowy mayo like substance on top. Sometimes it seems to have the reverse result, where it appears to be clear biodiesel on top, with very murky white water underneath. I've tried various amount of KOH and methanol, and varying my processing times, but I can't seem to get it down. As soon as my schedule permits, I'm going to try to get some new chemicals, because im worried that my lye might be water contaminated. Any help deciphering these results would be really appreciated. Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:51:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer Hello to all. I've made two test batches of biodiesel using new oil using the instructions on the JTF site, which I've read and re-read, along with many of the mailing list posts. I'm enjoying everything I'm learning, but still have a ton to learn. I also have a question. In both my test batches I've performed the quality tests recommended. The fuel passes the methanol test fine, with no glycerine settling out. When I come to the wash test, I have perhaps an eighth of an inch of white foam between the water and the biodiesel. It separates quite well though. I've tried to follow all instructions to the letter and I ordered my chemicals from DudaDiesel, so I assume they are a good quality. I assume the foam is soap. It could be that my measurements aren't precise enough, but if they aren't it's because of my instruments. I have been very meticulous in my measurements. I've gone ahead and washed the biodiesel from both batches, and they also have a lot of white foam, although they also separate very quickly. With both batches I've just kept washing until there's no more white junk and the water is clear. Does this take care of the soap (if that's what it is), or is there still something to be concerned about? Also, any suggestions on how to get that paper thin white layer instead of the thicker one I have now? I'm using new oil, what I think are quality chemicals, and I'm being as meticulous as I know how to be. As far as I know, I'm following your instructions to the letter. I thank you for your help
Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
I've let the BD separate for over 24 hours, which I thought should be enough time. My method for separating could be suspect. I'm decanting out of a settling bottle and tried to be careful, but it is possible that some glycerine sneaked past. I think getting a better set up going is going to make it a lot easier to be consistent. I just put my third batch through the methanol and wash tests and this time I've got some settling in the methanol so I think I'm going to reprocess it. The wash test turned out the same. Here's a link to a picture: https://picasaweb.google.com/ianandjubilee/Biodiesel?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNSD4sbwsfyjYAfeat=directlink I also was wondering it our water softener could have an effect. Could softened water create more of a problem? Thanks for the help, Ian On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello C Pinelli. Did you check the FFA and water contents on your raw material before processing ? FFA levels above 5 mg KOH/g (2,5%) will produce a lot of soaps, making the processing bad and the separation even worse. The water content will promote the soap production and will also compete with the methanol. The highest acceptable water content is around 1,5% and the lower the better. - Original Message - From: C Pinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer I am having a similar problem, I have experience making ethanol successfully, but I'm new to biodiesel. I've been trying to get it right for some time with many many test batches, without too much success. I've followed the instructions as closely as possible, but still can't quite get it right. I use 90% KOH Flakes, a scale thats accurate to the hundreth of a gram, and am incredibly meticulous in my measurements. I've had mixed (but mostly good)results with the methanol test, but have never consistantly passed the wash test. Sometimes I get a very thick separation line between the two, sometimes I get clear water on the bottom with a yellowy mayo like substance on top. Sometimes it seems to have the reverse result, where it appears to be clear biodiesel on top, with very murky white water underneath. I've tried various amount of KOH and methanol, and varying my processing times, but I can't seem to get it down. As soon as my schedule permits, I'm going to try to get some new chemicals, because im worried that my lye might be water contaminated. Any help deciphering these results would be really appreciated. Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:51:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer Hello to all. I've made two test batches of biodiesel using new oil using the instructions on the JTF site, which I've read and re-read, along with many of the mailing list posts. I'm enjoying everything I'm learning, but still have a ton to learn. I also have a question. In both my test batches I've performed the quality tests recommended. The fuel passes the methanol test fine, with no glycerine settling out. When I come to the wash test, I have perhaps an eighth of an inch of white foam between the water and the biodiesel. It separates quite well though. I've tried to follow all instructions to the letter and I ordered my chemicals from DudaDiesel, so I assume they are a good quality. I assume the foam is soap. It could be that my measurements aren't precise enough, but if they aren't it's because of my instruments. I have been very meticulous in my measurements. I've gone ahead and washed the biodiesel from both batches, and they also have a lot of white foam, although they also separate very quickly. With both batches I've just kept washing until there's no more white junk and the water is clear. Does this take care of the soap (if that's what it is), or is there still something to be concerned about? Also, any suggestions on how to get that paper thin white layer instead of the thicker one I have now? I'm using new oil, what I think are quality chemicals, and I'm being as meticulous as I know how to be. As far as I know, I'm following your instructions to the letter. I thank you for your help, Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110907/565c4278/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] How do I get the paper thin white layer
Hello to all. I've made two test batches of biodiesel using new oil using the instructions on the JTF site, which I've read and re-read, along with many of the mailing list posts. I'm enjoying everything I'm learning, but still have a ton to learn. I also have a question. In both my test batches I've performed the quality tests recommended. The fuel passes the methanol test fine, with no glycerine settling out. When I come to the wash test, I have perhaps an eighth of an inch of white foam between the water and the biodiesel. It separates quite well though. I've tried to follow all instructions to the letter and I ordered my chemicals from DudaDiesel, so I assume they are a good quality. I assume the foam is soap. It could be that my measurements aren't precise enough, but if they aren't it's because of my instruments. I have been very meticulous in my measurements. I've gone ahead and washed the biodiesel from both batches, and they also have a lot of white foam, although they also separate very quickly. With both batches I've just kept washing until there's no more white junk and the water is clear. Does this take care of the soap (if that's what it is), or is there still something to be concerned about? Also, any suggestions on how to get that paper thin white layer instead of the thicker one I have now? I'm using new oil, what I think are quality chemicals, and I'm being as meticulous as I know how to be. As far as I know, I'm following your instructions to the letter. I thank you for your help, Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110907/565c4278/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vaccine Quotes Worth Repeating
*The article referred to does, in fact, warn against the use of live viruses in vaccines. I don't think any vaccines today use live viruses. * Tom, to the best of my knowledge (which, granted, may be one or two years out-of-date, but no more - my daughter is three...), both the UK and the Russian Federation still use a live polio vaccine. I have relatives in both countries, one of whom contracted polio following the vaccination. I'm aware that such anecdotal evidence comes a poor second to a solid reference, but it's not my specialist subject, and so I can't be more rigorous just now. I hope that gives you a starting point, however. Best wishes Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080221/0bede17d/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring loaded firearms aboard
At 13:48 16/09/2006, D. Mindock said: Garrison makes some good points. Peace, D. Mindock The jihadists we're afraid of are, so far as we know, young Muslim men from the Middle East, not old grandmas named Evelyn and Gladys married to soybean farmers, and not even old white guys like me, but nonetheless they pat us down for plastic explosives under our Sansabelts and have us raise our stockinged feet to be wanded for possible toe bombs. But the only person actually arrested for trying to bomb a plane in flight was not a young Muslim from the middle east, but a British citizen called Richard Reid who was arrested after he tried to detonate explosive that was concealed in his shoe on American Airlines Flight 63 on 22 December 2001. Ian www.voyager03.co.uk The difference between theory and real life is that in theory, there is no difference between theory and real life, but in real life, there is a difference. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mystery
At 09:44 16/08/2006, Kirk McLoren said: WHERE IS THE OTHER DOLLAR? Each man has paid $9. (3x9=27) The bellboy has $2. And the hotel has $25 (27-2=25) 'seasy. Ian www.voyager03.co.uk Automatic shoes give me 3D vision and the California blues. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs
Hi Mike I think your right I will probably head back to the single stage it seem a lot easier. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs FWIW, I tried the foolproof method off and on for a qhile and finally went back to the old tried and true. I never could get it to work reliably. Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Some reassurance please. After months of single stage manufacture and reactor modifications I was about to jump into the Foolproof method. But now Bob in a, I assume well equiped Lab can't get the process to work completely. What Gives? How much chance do I have in a back yard with home made and jerry rigged equipment. Alex Kac also states that mixing methanol and sulphuric acid together is can cause serious problems. Once again what gives? Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs Appal Energy wrote: Bob, Why not drain the small amount of glycerol that settles out of an esterification? The majority of the sulfuric will come out with it. That lessens the amount of base catalyst needed for the follow-up transesterification. again, this is just what I observed: no glycerin settled out after the acid stage. Waiting 8 hours realistically means another day. Additionally, if I do wait and do get some glycerin to settle out with my conditions, wouldn't you think that methanol also would be part of the cocktail, thence affecting the equilibrium? Fewer chemicals in, fewer problems out. Todd Swearingen bob allen wrote: acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs In my lab I have had little success with the acid/base method for biodiesel production. When my students and I tried to duplicate the foolproof method http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html we invariably obtained incomplete reactions, plus the longer preparation time was less attractive. The following is my modification of that procedure which works for us, and takes less time, but requires more catalyst. Dissolve 1 ml sulfuric acid in 150 ml methanol and add to 1 liter liter dry wvo, heat to about 60 Celsius for one hour. Then dissolve 4.9gm NaOH in 50 ml methanol and add to the reaction mixture. Continue heating for an additional hour, stir for one more hour and then let set for 8 or more hours. workup as usual. Now for the why more catalyst. Basically the sulfuric acid used neutralizes some of the base catalyst, hence more must be add to get back to the desired concentration of catalyst. If you don't know moles and equivalents, the following may be abstruse. 1 ml sulfuric acid is 36 milliequivalents, therefore its presence in the reaction mixture neutralizes 36 milliequivalents of NaOH. The simple base catalyzed method requires 3.5 grams NaOH which is 90 milliequivalents. Subtract 36 from 90 and you get 54 milliequivalents of base left. This corresponds to to only 2.1 grams NaOH active active catalyst, the remainder having been converted to Na(2)SO(4), sodium sulfate. In round numbers then you have to add an additional 1.4 grams of NaOH on top of the 3.5 grams called for in the simple procedure. The following instructions are intended for an advanced audience, thoroughly familiar with the simple procedure. To minimize costs we still do a titration. If the wvo titrates at greater than 1.4 ml, we use this modification, less we use the simple procedure. All this having be said, I actually use KOH in my procedure but have done the calculations with NaOH, it works either way, one just has to adjust the molar proportions. Acknowledgment should be given to Kelly Verbel and Josh Lisko, students who worked with me on this part of our biodiesel project. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition
Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs
Hi Todd Thanks for the reply but on the JTF site Aleks states not to deviate from any of the instructions and 16 hours of running for a washing machine pump as per Aleks instructions is a bit OTT. I have done a batch as per Aleks recipe and it has totally failed no separation at all. Is there any way of rescueing the batch. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs Ian, I think you'll have to ask Bob what it is that is off the mark for him and lends to whatever quandry he may or may not be in. Acid/base works. It just requires some pretty good understanding of what is going on in the reaction, what enhances the reaction and what actions are less than beneficial on the operator's part. There are perhaps only three things that I would suggest to modify in the acid/base process. 1) Allow a 24 hour reaction period, of which at least sixteen are under agitation. 2) Drain off any glycerol that settles out prior to moving to the base stage. As most of the acid will reside there after settling, this will reduce the amount of base catalyst consumed in neutralizing the acid. 3) The eighty mililiters of methanol suggested in the acid stage is sufficient only for conversion of feedstock up to approximately forty percent FFAs. It's almost impossible to imagine any WVO coming from a restaurant that would be that degraded. (If it is, they should be shut down by the local health department.) But it is theoretically possible. Oils that degraded or more will require more methanol in the acid stage and less methanol in the base stage. Todd Swearingen Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Some reassurance please. After months of single stage manufacture and reactor modifications I was about to jump into the Foolproof method. But now Bob in a, I assume well equiped Lab can't get the process to work completely. What Gives? How much chance do I have in a back yard with home made and jerry rigged equipment. Alex Kac also states that mixing methanol and sulphuric acid together is can cause serious problems. Once again what gives? Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs Appal Energy wrote: Bob, Why not drain the small amount of glycerol that settles out of an esterification? The majority of the sulfuric will come out with it. That lessens the amount of base catalyst needed for the follow-up transesterification. again, this is just what I observed: no glycerin settled out after the acid stage. Waiting 8 hours realistically means another day. Additionally, if I do wait and do get some glycerin to settle out with my conditions, wouldn't you think that methanol also would be part of the cocktail, thence affecting the equilibrium? Fewer chemicals in, fewer problems out. Todd Swearingen bob allen wrote: acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs In my lab I have had little success with the acid/base method for biodiesel production. When my students and I tried to duplicate the foolproof method http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html we invariably obtained incomplete reactions, plus the longer preparation time was less attractive. The following is my modification of that procedure which works for us, and takes less time, but requires more catalyst. Dissolve 1 ml sulfuric acid in 150 ml methanol and add to 1 liter liter dry wvo, heat to about 60 Celsius for one hour. Then dissolve 4.9gm NaOH in 50 ml methanol and add to the reaction mixture. Continue heating for an additional hour, stir for one more hour and then let set for 8 or more hours. workup as usual. Now for the why more catalyst. Basically the sulfuric acid used neutralizes some of the base catalyst, hence more must be add to get back to the desired concentration of catalyst. If you don't know moles and equivalents, the following may be abstruse. 1 ml sulfuric acid is 36 milliequivalents, therefore its presence in the reaction mixture neutralizes 36 milliequivalents of NaOH. The simple base catalyzed method requires 3.5 grams NaOH which is 90 milliequivalents. Subtract 36 from 90 and you get 54 milliequivalents of base left. This corresponds to to only 2.1 grams NaOH active active catalyst, the remainder having been converted to Na(2)SO(4), sodium sulfate. In round numbers then you have to add an additional 1.4 grams of NaOH on top of the 3.5 grams called for in the simple procedure. The following instructions are intended for an advanced audience, thoroughly familiar with the simple procedure. To minimize costs we still do a titration. If the wvo titrates at greater than 1.4 ml, we use this modification, less we use the simple
Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs
Some reassurance please. After months of single stage manufacture and reactor modifications I was about to jump into the Foolproof method. But now Bob in a, I assume well equiped Lab can't get the process to work completely. What Gives? How much chance do I have in a back yard with home made and jerry rigged equipment. Alex Kac also states that mixing methanol and sulphuric acid together is can cause serious problems. Once again what gives? Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs Appal Energy wrote: Bob, Why not drain the small amount of glycerol that settles out of an esterification? The majority of the sulfuric will come out with it. That lessens the amount of base catalyst needed for the follow-up transesterification. again, this is just what I observed: no glycerin settled out after the acid stage. Waiting 8 hours realistically means another day. Additionally, if I do wait and do get some glycerin to settle out with my conditions, wouldn't you think that methanol also would be part of the cocktail, thence affecting the equilibrium? Fewer chemicals in, fewer problems out. Todd Swearingen bob allen wrote: acid/base method for conversion of wvo to FAMEs In my lab I have had little success with the acid/base method for biodiesel production. When my students and I tried to duplicate the foolproof method http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html we invariably obtained incomplete reactions, plus the longer preparation time was less attractive. The following is my modification of that procedure which works for us, and takes less time, but requires more catalyst. Dissolve 1 ml sulfuric acid in 150 ml methanol and add to 1 liter liter dry wvo, heat to about 60 Celsius for one hour. Then dissolve 4.9gm NaOH in 50 ml methanol and add to the reaction mixture. Continue heating for an additional hour, stir for one more hour and then let set for 8 or more hours. workup as usual. Now for the why more catalyst. Basically the sulfuric acid used neutralizes some of the base catalyst, hence more must be add to get back to the desired concentration of catalyst. If you don't know moles and equivalents, the following may be abstruse. 1 ml sulfuric acid is 36 milliequivalents, therefore its presence in the reaction mixture neutralizes 36 milliequivalents of NaOH. The simple base catalyzed method requires 3.5 grams NaOH which is 90 milliequivalents. Subtract 36 from 90 and you get 54 milliequivalents of base left. This corresponds to to only 2.1 grams NaOH active active catalyst, the remainder having been converted to Na(2)SO(4), sodium sulfate. In round numbers then you have to add an additional 1.4 grams of NaOH on top of the 3.5 grams called for in the simple procedure. The following instructions are intended for an advanced audience, thoroughly familiar with the simple procedure. To minimize costs we still do a titration. If the wvo titrates at greater than 1.4 ml, we use this modification, less we use the simple procedure. All this having be said, I actually use KOH in my procedure but have done the calculations with NaOH, it works either way, one just has to adjust the molar proportions. Acknowledgment should be given to Kelly Verbel and Josh Lisko, students who worked with me on this part of our biodiesel project. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 27/12/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
[Biofuel] Pumps
If any one in Australia or New Zealand knows where to get a low cost BD suitable pump please let me know. Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FURTHER TO WASHING MACINE PUMP
After1 batch the pump sprung a terminal leak so I decided to pull it apart only to find out thatit had rubber seals. I then pulled anther pump apart to find "hello" rubber seals. If Alex uses WM pump what brand are they? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Washing machine pumps
I have just trialed a washing machine pump. It went fine no problems until the following morning when I found it leaking from the main seal. As it didn't leak through until the following day could the BD damage the seals that fast Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] foolproof pump
Thanks Keith Ian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] foolproof pump In the foolproof recipe a 100w washing machine pump is suggested. Has anyone tried it? Aleks has been using it for years. I have a similar pump 70w and doing 40L batch, is it upto the task? I think Aleks does 30 litres with a 100w pump. Processing times are a variable, though they'll get you in the ballpark. Scaling up from small test-batches to larger batches in a different reactor is not straightforward, it'll probably need tweaking. What size and shape of tank, what sort of pump, and plumbing, or what sort of stirrer motor, what's the exact shape and angle of the stirrer blades and so on - all variables. So you may have to adjust the processing time. But it should work. Best Keith Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - Release Date: 9/11/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
G'day Peter Sounds like water in there somewhere. Check you oil for water. Methanol is a hygroscopic substance and if the tins been left open in humid conditions it to may have water in it? See the JtF site for more info on water in oil. I have seen items on the list about hydrogenated oil ? being difficult to process, you may want to check this out as well. Hope that helps Ian from NZ - Original Message - From: Peter Currie To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems G'day group it is with great embarrassment that l have my first post. For 3 months l have been doing test batches (lost Count how many) and still cannot past shake test. Methanol - From a drag racers 44 gallon drum - best apparently Lye - Tiny pearls 99+ - fresh - then flake Oil - supermarket virgin oil Deep cooker filled with water with thermo (bottling type to 120 deg. C ) Drill stand above 2Lt glass jar tall with narrow neck with screw top lid with hole for paint stirrer Have tried lots of combinations re mixing time (1hr to 2.5 hr) Mixing speed - slow to fast amounts of lye - 2.7g to 4.2g per lt amounts of methanol 200ml to 250ml per lt types of oil - canola , blended edible all say 100% unused After process the product separates nicely and after waiting 12-24 hours do shake test with rain water (all l have) usually it takes hours to separate with a thick layer in-between of white fluffy cloud like stuff (.5 inch thick) The pearl variety of lye dissolves quickly but is hazy whereas the flake is crystal clear. Am heating oil to 55 c then adding methoxide then stirring maint temp throughout. Have read and reread JTF site and archives but nothing leaps out as obvious, my process seems correct, my materials seem correct but l'm starting to feel Very stupid. Is there something on this side of the planet that l'm not aware of?. Also would be very keen to talk - SEE setup working in Melbourne Aust. I'm in the Dandenongs. Any advice would be appreciated, thankyou Regards Peter from Oz ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cleaning 44 G Drums
Just a couple of questions. How do people clean out their drums given that most of them have engine oil in them when they are obtained. Does it affect the BD. And on the same note, I am going to purchase a 200L drum of Methanol and I am going to break it down into 60 and 20L containers for safety and ease of handling, what is the best way of cleaning them out as the drums i can gethave had motor oil in them. Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
Try this site it is somewhat like JtF but has a plan for a retrieval pump in it somewhere Cheers Ian http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/appleorchard/ - Original Message - From: Richard U [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks You can get those nice white 5 gallon buckets, with nice tight lids, free from super-markets with bakeries or deli's...ask them or dive into their dumpster. Just leave a few with the restaurant...maybe they can even leave them inside where they stay warm. This way the oil doesn't get mixed up with whatever is in the tank 'out back'. Richard U -Original Message- From: Jason and Katie I read a snip or website (cant remember for sure) where the homebrewer had an agreement with the restaurant and would leave his own barrels at the business and just swap them out with empties when they were full. it seems the easiest solution to me. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian
No problems, the biggest batch I can make is 40L which is more than enough for my family. Just as a matter of interest do you have much trouble getting methanol and if you don't mind how much do you pay for it. I am paying NZ$1.60 L. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian Thanks Ian You right I skipped the washing in the 1 liter batches and I thought its the easy part any way I read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp. In the processor couldn’t keep it steady. Already had a successful 80 liter batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor) Thanks again happy New Year Golan - Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hi Golan 2things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also agood section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water 150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar)after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 07/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005
Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help
Hi Golan 2things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also agood section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water 150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar)after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] disolving lye
Hi all Most of the recipe's on JtFdescribe hours to dissolved the lye in methanol.Mine usually takes about 20 minute to half an hour. I use translucent bottles and check for settled lye. Is there something I am missing?When I mix it I poor the Lye into the methanol and swirl it for a minute or two , leave it for ten minutes or so,swirl some more until its all gone.The BD I make has clean seperation and is easy to wash. The same goes for either a 1L or30 L batch. Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
I think a strong agument to believe that there is global warming, (or maybe a better term to be scientific is climate change) can be found by looking up global dimming on the net once such find was at http://geography.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0%2C13026%2C1108853%2C00.html I believeas the solar energy hitting the earth is reducing by 3% per recent decade (source above) and theworlds claciersare only just staring to melt after 100,000 's of thousands of years then some sort of cliamte change is happening. They can hang a man for evidence beyond reasonable doubt, I think mankind should make the call and move to save the plannet, because I think there is more than enough reasonable doubt. IanAppal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Jerry,Just go back to photos of Earth during the airline shutdowns after September 11th and you'll see precisely (or rather so) what the contribution of the airline industry is to global polution. No need to go back to the Apollo years for photos, especially since emissions have been curbed considerably (in some regions) since then.Anything short of what happened on September 11th that throttles the airline industry to a permanent standstill is in the best interests of all living things.Todd SwearingenJerry Eyers wrote: Hi All,Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It'sheading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burnmore Dino since none of this is connected. Tom Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no "direct" evidence, onlycircumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANYconvictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have todo is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see thesmokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at somespace shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to spaceshots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIGdifference.Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle(which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a coldcycle.There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-greylayer of crudd building up in the atmosphere!Jerry ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering?
Hi Sami You can by Fat Filters used in the restaurant trade. they are like coffee filters but bigger. Heat your oil to 35-40C and it will flow easily. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Sami Vastela To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Filtering? Hello First test patches burned well in my central heating boiler :-) How important is filtering before prosessing, and what kind of filters you are using? 2 litres test patch went through coffee filter, but it's quite slow. So I'm intereste how to filter 80 litres of WVO? Sami ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 21/09/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Deacidification
Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer offat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of 7mls. For want of a betterphrase, is this normal? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification
Hi Todd I'm using the JTF deacidification as some of the oil I have is Titrating at 7mls plus the 3.5. And no I am not that advanced. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification Ian, What are you deacidifying your oil with and how? Adding lye or similar caustic in the absence of methanol is a sure fire way to manufacture soap, just about the last thing you want if your eventual end product is going to be biodiesel. There is a method of making biodiesel where all feedstock is converted to soap, then chemically cracked to 100% FFAs and esterified to yield ~100% biodiesel. But it's doubtful that you have the set up for something that involved at any moderate scale. Todd Swearingen Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of 7mls. For want of a better phrase, is this normal? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 7/09/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification
Hi Keith I have done a 1L test . Fortunatly I re titrated after deacidification and found that the oil had dropped from 7mls to 1ml titration so I added this plus the 3.5. in the 25% methanol, and it came up nice and clear after three washes. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification Hi Ian Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of 7mls. For want of a better phrase, is this normal? You probably got some soapstock along with the oil, but it doesn't seem to matter much. Skimming it off is the right thing to do with it. Did you try processing the deacidified oil yet? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#deacid Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Deacidifying WVO Best wishes Keith Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 7/09/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Water in the oil
Could someone clear up my understanding of water in the oil reaction to heat. Somewhere I read that the oil will boil if water is present. Some of the oil I have only makes a poping pinging sound as it is heated,is this the same thing? although diminished it carries on over a 100c even as high as 120c This is a low acid oil 1.8 mls. Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Your so right tallex, I would add people of concience need to become more outspoken more public more active if we are to win the wars. What wars I think the first war is the battle to save humanity, we need to sway the mind of MR/MRS Average from that of the self endulgent self centered consumerist. To people who live value centered lives. Then maybewe(the people of the western world)will not be so willing to be bought off by all the things that affect our bottom line ie interest rates and tax cuts, infaltion figures. When we are given the price of alternative energies for example, they(politicians) speak as though the environment is at thier disposal to either take into account or not, when your at the accountants you are not allowed to say "don't include the cost of that" yet Bush and my Prime Minister John Howard seem to think they have a right to do that justby, for example,ignoring the Kyoto treaty. The bible says what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world but lose his own soul. I believe we are in the middle of a great irony we are loosing our souls in an attempt to gain the world but the irony is who will want to live inthis world after the worst of humanities greed has finished with it. So the first war is for the hearts of the people, then the secondwar (to save the plannet) can be won. So what am I trying to say, in a nuthell some should be ativists for their beliefs, some should even be prepared to bejailed, some should be educators some letterwritters to papers and some talk onradio some should talk to their children parents relatives and guide them, all should be true to what they know is right and be themselves, and I think if enough people do things like that , maybe enough people will stop voting with thier walletsso thatthe big changes that we all need can actually happen. regards Ian "Alt.EnergyNetwork" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big deal,He cut 2 days off his vacation to do this...all for the cameras. As noted by others below, he was the one whocut army core of engineers budgetfor urgent repair on sinking dykes and improvements to flood control systems.He is the one who continues to distort sound science, the problemsof global warming and weakening the environmental protection act.As mentioned by others as well, he is the one who has troops, vitalrescue equipment in Iraq when needed here NOW.The lack of a well planned rapid advanced response to this disaster is a shame.There are many hard questions that will need answers in the months to come.regardstallexAlternate Energy Resource Network1000+ news sources-resourcesupdated dailyhttp://www.alternate-energy.net---Original Message--- From: Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Sent: 03 Sep '05 03:33 He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <BIOFUEL@SUSTAINABLELISTS.ORG> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Thanks. I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down.This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it. Hakan At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote: Whine whine.At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote:Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with "is there blame?" I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school.But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05
Re: [Biofuel] deacidification
I appreciate your patience Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] deacidification Hello Ian Hi Keith This is probably the best stuff avalable in my small town, as it is from a food shop renound for quality food. :-) It comes as a surprise to quite a lot of biodieselers when they start titrating restaurant oil and quickly find out which ones really produce quality food. 6ml 0.1% NaOH solution oil is not the product of a quality restaurant, sorry to say. Yes I did mean deacidification as per JTF site. I have 80 litres in 4 drums, I took three samples heated them to test for water There's probably some water in oil like that. The higher the titration level the more difficulty water will cause. and carried out the test three times I even tried different isoprpyl as some of what I had was quite old, but still the same result. I then tested some oil from a friends home frier and found it to be around 3.5grpl, About the upper limit, beyond that novices start having problems. (For his sake rather than yours, I'd suggest you tell your friend to change his oil more often or not to make it so hot.) them a further test on brand new SVO and only 1 drop caused a change to pink? Given that my testing is accurate Probably it's accurate. should I persisit with single stage or try deacidification? The only 2 things that I question of my testing is the 1/1000 mixture was cold, although the test was carried out with the beaker standing in warm water and the phenolphalein was made up with Ethanol? I think it always is. It should be okay as long as it's not old. For the 0.1% NaOH solution, next time pour some into another beaker and stand that in warm water too. Anyway, 6ml titration oil is feasible once you have some experience, there shouldn't be any need to deacidify it. Try deacidifying it if you like, it takes a little practice (gently!), but even if it works it will only have added another variable as an obstacle in your learning curve. I'm sorry, I've lost track - did you start with virgin oil tests? If not, I suggest you go back and do that a few times: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Then try the 9.5 gm/litre WVO. Do small 1-litre test batches. If you don't succeed, then mix virgin oil with the WVO until you've reduced the titration result to say 2.5 to 3 ml and try that. If you haven't got a blender you could rig one of these or something similar: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html Test-batch mini-processor Or you can use PET bottles - mix the methoxide first, do it this way: Methoxide the easy way http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Pre-heat the oil to 55 deg C (131 deg F), funnel it into the PET bottle, add the methoxide, screw the lid on tightly and shake violently for a minute or so. Then stand it in hot water and maintain the temperature at 55 deg C. Shake it again hard every five minutes, continue for at least an hour, preferably two hours. Please remember that your main goal isn't to process that 80 litres of oil, it's to learn how to make high-quality biodiesel. If you go about it that way you'll get better results with that oil or any oil. Best wishes Keith Your thoughts would be appreciated Cheers Ian Hello Ian Hi Guys I've just tested the WVO I've managed to obtain and tested out at 6grpl this plus 3.5 makes 9.5. Is this a candidate for deacidification? What do you mean by deacidification? Do you mean using an acid-base process instead of a single-stage base process, or do you mean this, or something similar? Deacidifying WVO http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#deacid Deacidification is a standard step in processing raw (new) oils for sale and consumption. The deacidifying process above is basically the same but without the need for a centrifuge. If you mean an acid-base process, any oil is a good candidate for that. Anyway, oil titrating at 6 g/l is probably borderline for a novice attempting his first test batch with WVO. Standard WVO, if there is such a thing, is usually considered as around 3-3.5 titration. Try it if you like but you might struggle. Strictly speaking, it shouldn't be 6grpl but 6 ml of 0.1% NaOH solution, which indeed translates to 9.5 grpl. How did you titrate it? Best wishes Keith Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database
[Biofuel] deacidification
Hi KeithThis is probably the best stuff avalable in my small town, as it is from a food shop renound for quality food. Yes I did mean deacidification as per JTF site.I have 80 litres in 4 drums, I took three samples heated them to test for water and carried out the test three times I even tried different isoprpyl as some of what I had was quite old, but still the same result. I then tested some oil from a friends home frier and found it to be around 3.5grpl, them a further test on brand new SVO and only 1 drop caused a change to pink?Given that my testing is accurate should I persisit with single stage or try deacidification?The only 2 things that I question of my testing is the 1/1000 mixture was cold, although the test was carried out with the beaker standing in warm water and the phenolphalein was made up with Ethanol?Your thoughts would be appreciatedCheersIan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [Biofuel] deacidification
Hi Keith This is probably the best stuff avalable in my small town, as it is from a food shop renound for quality food. Yes I did mean deacidification as per JTF site. I have 80 litres in 4 drums, I took three samples heated them to test for water and carried out the test three times I even tried different isoprpyl as some of what I had was quite old, but still the same result. I then tested some oil from a friends home frier and found it to be around 3.5grpl, them a further test on brand new SVO and only 1 drop caused a change to pink? Given that my testing is accurate should I persisit with single stage or try deacidification? The only 2 things that I question of my testing is the 1/1000 mixture was cold, although the test was carried out with the beaker standing in warm water and the phenolphalein was made up with Ethanol? Your thoughts would be appreciated Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] deacidification Hello Ian Hi Guys I've just tested the WVO I've managed to obtain and tested out at 6grpl this plus 3.5 makes 9.5. Is this a candidate for deacidification? What do you mean by deacidification? Do you mean using an acid-base process instead of a single-stage base process, or do you mean this, or something similar? Deacidifying WVO http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#deacid Deacidification is a standard step in processing raw (new) oils for sale and consumption. The deacidifying process above is basically the same but without the need for a centrifuge. If you mean an acid-base process, any oil is a good candidate for that. Anyway, oil titrating at 6 g/l is probably borderline for a novice attempting his first test batch with WVO. Standard WVO, if there is such a thing, is usually considered as around 3-3.5 titration. Try it if you like but you might struggle. Strictly speaking, it shouldn't be 6grpl but 6 ml of 0.1% NaOH solution, which indeed translates to 9.5 grpl. How did you titrate it? Best wishes Keith Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] deacidification
Hi Guys I've just tested the WVO I've managed to obtain and tested out at 6grpl this plus 3.5 makes 9.5. Is this a candidate for deacidification? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Deacidification
Hi Guys I've just tested the WVO I've managed to obtain and tested out at 6grpl. Is this a candidate for deacidification? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Hi Tom Let me see if I 've got this right. BD made with Animal fat solidifies at a higher temp than WVO? This could be handy info as a lot of the chippies here use lard.FortunatleyI think I've got onto a source of WVO. Diesel prices in NZ are now a $1 pL for your interest Ian - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Hi Ian and Theresa, Definitely have to agree with Todd here. I´ve been doing a lot of work making BioD from animal fat. It resolidifies at relatively high temperatures. I left 2 liters in a hood in my lab over winter break. They turn off the heat here cause we rarely get freezing temperatures. We have a few days down to about 5 degrees C and some as high as 22. When I returned to the lab it was chilly again and the BioD was a yellowish white solid. With the heat on the last two weeks it´s liquified and looks just like it did originally but I haven´t engine tested it yet to see if it still really is BioD. Tom Irwin From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:44:42 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production.Keep it in an airtight vessel with only enough head space for thermal expansion and contraction and it will be sufficient beyond this time next year. More probably well beyond that. At least long enough for the fallout to settle, a season's worth of rains to soak it in and you to plant another crop so you can do whatever it is that you feel you must do that can't be done without an infernal combustion engine.Spec it to10 microns filtration and be happy. After that, it's not the sediment that will grab you by the short and curlies but the saturated esters (from animal fats and hydrogenated oils. Depending upon the parent stock, your filter could be throttled by "B-100" at temps as high as 40*F.Last time we rendered deer tallow and made biodiesel from it we were stonewalled after an overnight temp of 56*F.Todd SwearingenIan Theresa Sims wrote: Does anyone tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production. Can someone clarify the final filter process after production. Some say 5 microns some say 10. Mike pelly's recipe dosn't seem to say anything about it? And how long should it stand or can you pour it straight in? Cheers Ian___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel
Does anyone tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production. Can someone clarify the final filter process after production. Some say 5 microns some say 10. Mike pelly's recipe dosn't seem to say anything about it? And how long should it stand or can you pour it straight in? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol
Thanks Jan Ian - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol Yes, old methanol is always a problem. Both for speedway racers and for biodiesel producers. With best regards Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol Thanks Jan But is that a yes or a no on question 1 - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol Hello Ian. Answer #1: Methanol attracts water. So, old methanol is not anhydrous, which it has to when producing biodiesel. Answer#2: Yes, but it takes a little longer. Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: [Biofuel] methanol I was talking toa friend that races cars and he said that methanol kept for a long??time degraded and didn't work as well. Is this a problem for us? As a matter of interest does biodiesel make the sump oil in your car go as black as dinodiesel? Cheers Ian ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Hi Mike Outside in 20L drums Ian - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Not long. It's like coffee beans - need to keep turning over yout stock. I have heard - anecdotally - a year under perfect conditions. Less if conditions are bad. How are you storing it? Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Does anyone tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production. Can someone clarify the final filter process after production. Some say 5 microns some say 10. Mike pelly's recipe dosn't seem to say anything about it? And how long should it stand or can you pour it straight in? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Hi Jan once again thanks and I will take Your advise re filter specs. Ian - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Hello Ian, if treated with anti-oxidizing agents, and produced from oil with a moderate peroxide number, the biodiesel should be consumed within three months. 10 microns is a normal filter size for diesel engines, unless equipped with a common-rail system. So, filtering at 10 microns is good, 5 microns even better assuming that the biodiesel has an abnormal content of solids which will lead to filter clogging very rapidly. Pay attention to the markings "absolute" and "nominal" on the filter spec. There is a huge difference between those two. The biodiesel should be ready for instant consumption if it´s clear and bright and without sediments. With best regards Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message ----- From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Does anyone tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production. Can someone clarify the final filter process after production. Some say 5 microns some say 10. Mike pelly's recipe dosn't seem to say anything about it? And how long should it stand or can you pour it straight in? Cheers Ian ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Thanks Todd I've been reading the deacidifying recipe. Do you consider this a good alternative as it will take out the water with the fats and could it be usable on ?Normal WVO with lower acid contents Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production. Keep it in an airtight vessel with only enough head space for thermal expansion and contraction and it will be sufficient beyond this time next year. More probably well beyond that. At least long enough for the fallout to settle, a season's worth of rains to soak it in and you to plant another crop so you can do whatever it is that you feel you must do that can't be done without an infernal combustion engine. Spec it to10 microns filtration and be happy. After that, it's not the sediment that will grab you by the short and curlies but the saturated esters (from animal fats and hydrogenated oils. Depending upon the parent stock, your filter could be throttled by B-100 at temps as high as 40*F. Last time we rendered deer tallow and made biodiesel from it we were stonewalled after an overnight temp of 56*F. Todd Swearingen Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Does anyone tell me how long Biodiesel will keep after production. Can someone clarify the final filter process after production. Some say 5 microns some say 10. Mike pelly's recipe dosn't seem to say anything about it? And how long should it stand or can you pour it straight in? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] methanol
I was talking toa friend that races cars and he said that methanol kept for a long??time degraded and didn't work as well. Is this a problem for us? As a matter of interest does biodiesel make the sump oil in your car go as black as dinodiesel? Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol
Thanks Jan But is that a yes or a no on question 1 - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol Hello Ian. Answer #1: Methanol attracts water. So, old methanol is not anhydrous, which it has to when producing biodiesel. Answer#2: Yes, but it takes a little longer. Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: [Biofuel] methanol I was talking toa friend that races cars and he said that methanol kept for a long??time degraded and didn't work as well. Is this a problem for us? As a matter of interest does biodiesel make the sump oil in your car go as black as dinodiesel? Cheers Ian ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.4/66 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release
Hi Todd I thought this might be the case , seeing reactors made with silicon seals and clamped lids is going to be a recipe for pressure build up once heat is applied. Last thing you want is a jet of methanol escaping from around the mixer shaft. I am still having trouble getting methanol cheap enough but another writer has given me some fresh ideas. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release You're welcome Ian, But I guess I should have qualified that couple of pounds pressure statement. It's solely dependant upon reaction temperature not exceeding approximately 120*F. Those who use hot water heaters as reactors may be running at higher temperatures. If they exceed 145-150*F then they're operating more of a reflux (boil) reactor rather than all the mixing being done by a pump. That would all depend on how the thermostat is set. The factory thermostats are generally one time shut-offs that become unusable should the temp ever reach a specific high point. Older units shut down at 180*. Newer older units at ~160*. Spanking new units may be even lower. In any event, a closed reflux reactor would have far higher pressures. You could place an air cooled condensor on top of the reactor. That could be something as simple as a 10' long x 1/2 diameter copper tube with an open top. We've done this with a piece of scrap from a commercial cooling tower. It had hundreds of aluminum fins attached to it for heat dissipation. In such a setup, the methanol will boil and thoroughly mix the contents, but as the vapors travel up the tube they cool and fall back into the reactor. Measuring the temp at different heights of the condensor will permit you to calibrate the reflux temp so no vapors escape. Todd Swearingen Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Hi Todd Thanks for that I appreciate your advise. Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release How are the tanks vented? Any tank holding any percentage of methanol should have a vapor line running to a central manifold prior to passing through a condensor. The greatest pressure build-up occurs during the first moments of reaction. Rather than a pressure relief valve that could easily fail, an adjustable pressure flap can be constructed that opens at low pressure. If the vent lines are 2-4, there's not much chance of the pressure building beyond a couple of pounds. As for a sealed system? There are two options. Either size and construct all parts of the system that will be in the methanol loop (tanks, transfer lines, pumps vents, etc.) to withstand negative pressure, or simple make sure that any new feedstock and reactants that enter do so at a speed consistant with the condensor's capacity, allowing all exiting vapor to be stripped of methanol. Sizing a condensor would be a less taxing exercise than constructin an entire system for negative pressure.Over size the condensor and the reactants can be fed faster. Under size it and they simply have to enter at a slower rate. Todd Swearingen Ian Theresa Sims wrote: I am new to the biofuel world and have read most of the webb site info but can't seem to find any reference to pressure release. They all talk of having a sealed system to prevent personal harm and methanol loss but pressure must build with A, heating and B, pumping air in to mix the solution. Question. How are the tanks vented? Many thanks Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release
Hi Keith youve been a great help Many thanks Ian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release Hello Ian, welcome I am new to the biofuel world and have read most of the webb site info but can't seem to find any reference to pressure release. They all talk of having a sealed system Closed is better. Even the sealed systems (hot water tanks mostly) have pressure outlets and can withstand some pressure. to prevent personal harm and methanol loss but pressure must build with A, heating and B, pumping air in to mix the solution. Pumping air in? I don't think so. Question. How are the tanks vented? Have a good read about these two processors, it'll help: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html Biodiesel processors: The Deepthort 100B http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor Best wishes Keith Many thanks Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.6/59 - Release Date: 27/07/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release
Hi Todd Thanks for that I appreciate your advise. Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release How are the tanks vented? Any tank holding any percentage of methanol should have a vapor line running to a central manifold prior to passing through a condensor. The greatest pressure build-up occurs during the first moments of reaction. Rather than a pressure relief valve that could easily fail, an adjustable pressure flap can be constructed that opens at low pressure. If the vent lines are 2-4, there's not much chance of the pressure building beyond a couple of pounds. As for a sealed system? There are two options. Either size and construct all parts of the system that will be in the methanol loop (tanks, transfer lines, pumps vents, etc.) to withstand negative pressure, or simple make sure that any new feedstock and reactants that enter do so at a speed consistant with the condensor's capacity, allowing all exiting vapor to be stripped of methanol. Sizing a condensor would be a less taxing exercise than constructin an entire system for negative pressure.Over size the condensor and the reactants can be fed faster. Under size it and they simply have to enter at a slower rate. Todd Swearingen Ian Theresa Sims wrote: I am new to the biofuel world and have read most of the webb site info but can't seem to find any reference to pressure release. They all talk of having a sealed system to prevent personal harm and methanol loss but pressure must build with A, heating and B, pumping air in to mix the solution. Question. How are the tanks vented? Many thanks Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pressure release
I am new to the biofuel world andhave read most of the webb site info but can't seem to find any reference to pressure release. They all talk of having a sealed system to prevent personal harm and methanol loss but pressure must build with A, heating and B, pumping air in to mix the solution. Question. How are the tanks vented? Many thanks Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies
Interesting read I thought maybe there is yet one more way to look at this? Hakan, I just posted this in my newsgroup Please note the first linePhotos available at the site:from ; http://www.aa.washington.edu/AERP/CRYOCAR/CryoCar.htmNote: Due to lack of funding, this research project at the UW is no longer active. We have left this website up for general information purposes only. If you have questions regarding any aspect of LN2 vehicle technology, please direct your inquiries to the researchers at the University of North Texas. Researchers at the University of Washington are developing a new zero-emission automobile propulsion concept that uses liquid nitrogen as the fuel. The principle of operation is like that of a steam engine, except there is no combustion involved. Instead, liquid nitrogen at 320° F (196° C) is pressurized andthen vaporized in a heat exchanger by the ambient temperature of the surrounding air. This heat exchanger is like the radiator of a car but instead of using air to cool water, it uses air to heat and boil liquid nitrogen. The resulting high-pressure nitrogen gas is fed to an engine that operates like a reciprocating steam engine, converting pressure to mechanical power. The only exhaust is nitrogen, which is the major constituent of our atmosphere. The LN2000 is an operating proof-of-concept test vehicle, a converted 1984 Grumman-Olson Kubvan mail delivery van. The engine, a radial five-cylinder 15-hp air motor, drives the front wheels through a five-speed manual Volkswagen transmission. The liquid nitrogen is stored in a thermos-like stainless steel tank, or dewar, that holds 24 gallons and is so well insulated that the nitrogen will stay liquid for weeks. At present the tank is pressurized with gaseous nitrogen to develop system pressure but a cryogenic liquid pump will be used for this purpose in the future. A preheater, called an economizer, uses leftover heat in the engine's exhaust to preheat the liquid nitrogen before it enters the heat exchanger. Two fans at the rear of the van draw air through the heat exchanger to enhance the transfer of ambient heat to the liquid nitrogen. The design of this heat exchanger is such as to prevent frost formation on its outer surfaces. As with all alternative energy storage media, the energy density (W-hr/kg) of liquid nitrogen is relatively low when compared to gasoline but better than that of readily available battery systems. Studies indicate that liquid nitrogen automobiles will have significant performance and environmental advantages over electric vehicles. A liquid nitrogen car with a 60-gallon tank will have a potential range of up to 200 miles, or more than twice that of a typical electric car. Furthermore, a liquid nitrogen car will be much lighter and refilling its tank will take only 10-15 minutes, rather than the several hours required by most electric car concepts. Motorists will fuel up at filling stations very similar to today's gasoline stations. When liquid nitrogen is manufactured in large quantities, the operating cost per mile of a liquid nitrogen car will not only be less than that of an electric car but will actually be competitive with that of a gasoline car. The process to manufacture liquid nitrogen in large quantities can be environmentally very friendly, even if fossil fuels are used to generate the electric power required. The exhaust gases produced by burning fossil fuels in a power plant contain not only carbon dioxide and gaseous pollutants, but also all the nitrogen from the air used in the combustion. By feeding these exhaust gases to the nitrogen liquefaction plant, the carbon dioxide and other undesirable products of combustion can be condensed and separated in the process of chilling the nitrogen, and thus no pollutants need be released to the atmosphere by the power plant. The sequestered carbon dioxide and pollutants could be injected into depleted gas and oil wells, deep mine shafts, deep ocean subduction zones, and other repositories from which they will not diffuse back into the atmosphere, or they could be chemically processed into useful or inert substances. Consequently, the implementation of a large fleet of liquid nitrogen vehicles could have much greater environmental benefits than just reducing urban air pollution as desired by current zero-emission vehicle mandates. * Funding for this project has been provided by the U.S. Department of Energy.http://www.aa.washington.edu/AERP/CRYOCAR/CryoCar.htmfrom (link at the ame site) http://www.aa.washington.edu/AERP/CRYOCAR/CryoCar.htmCryogens are effective thermal storage media which, when used for automotive purposes, offer significant advantages over current and proposed electrochemical battery technologies, both in performance and economy. An automotive propulsion concept is presented which utilizes liquid nitrogen as the working fluid for an open Rankine cycle. When the only heat input to the engine is supplied by ambient heat
Re: [Biofuel] glycerin blocks
- Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] glycerin blocks Can you make glycerin blocks from non gelling glycerin? I have about 20 gallons of liquid glycerin and about 5 Gal. that gelled. Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Why people like SUVs
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 06:52:21AM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Worrying about hitting a deer is a pretty dumb reason for driving an SUV. I've hit them in a little Subaru, it's never put me in the ditch. Most accidents are avoidable if you're paying attention anyway. Some people near here about a year ago hit a moose and it killed the 2 people sitting in the front (went in through the windshield). It has generally been statistically proven that smaller cars are more dangerous, and there are more deaths in them. Some interesting points.. in small car on small car accidents, there are more deaths than in large car on large car accidents, so it's not just big cars crushing little ones. When they crash test vehicles, they are using an immovable object into which they smash the vehicle. This is to simulate a head on with another vehicle the same size. Howerver, in real life, when you crash into an object like a gurder, a tree, telephone pole etc, weight of the vehicle does play an important part in deciding what will happen, and how fast you will decelerate. An excellent paper on this topic: http://www.fplc.edu/risk/vol3/spring/graham.htm A short article: http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/driving/articles/43802/article.html Accidents are always unpredictable though, you never know what might happen. I've driven small cars most of my life and have been fine, but, regarding safety, there is certainly a rational argument for larger vehicles. Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[biofuel] Re: 85 Suburban
There's a LOT of info at: http://www.thedieselpage.com/ which is a site dedicated to all GM diesels. You have to be member to post but I think you can read the boards without signing up. Ian On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 03:34:26PM -0700, John Blackmer wrote: Anyone familiar with the chevy diesls of yesteryear? I'm about to buy an old 6.2L suburban--are they trustworthy engines? An engine that old would require the rubber seals and lines to be replaced to run on biodiesel, right? John Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engines Available in North America
Hi! I own a 96 Chev crew cab with the 6.5L TD. They are not bad engines, but they had a few bad years. In 94 they were fitted with a computerised injection pump, which turned out to be very unreliable, and is basically the reason for their poor reputation (they were REALLY bad :)). However, by around 96 or so they had the bugs worked out of them, and are now pretty reliable, though I'd recommend you get a cooler for the fuel solenoid driver (FSD) if you get one. Pre '94 had a mechanical injection pump which many people prefer. (Cheaper to replace and probably last longer). If you are looking to buy one, even a '94 can be ok if they've had a new injection pump put in (which is very likely, they were covered under an extended warranty when the problem was found, and replaced for free with the upgraded version). Just make sure you check that out cause it can be expensive. Though you can get them replaced on warrenty yourself if there's under 170,000km I *think* (check for sure if you do want to get one). All the 3 big trucks (Dodge, Ford and GM) have diesel sites dedicated to them. These are excellent sources of knowledge and help a LOT. The forums are great, with lots of very knowledgable people. Strictly in terms of engines, I'd probably go with the early dodge cummins (non 24 valve). These are very simple, very long lasting engines (reports of 600,000 miles before rebuild etc.) and generally have the best reputation among the diesel trucks. However, you have to live with the dodge wrapped around it ;-) (and their poor transmissions). The older (1st gen) dodges also get the best fuel economy, as high as 28-30 mpg. though probly more around low twenties in most situations. You can't get a crew cab dodge though, haven't made them in ages. The fords (navistar diesels) are pretty good too.. not the best economy though, and the power strokes are expensive to repair. The sites in question for the diesels are: GM: www.thedieselpage.com FORD: www.ford-diesel.com DODGE: www.turbodieselregister.com The forums are excellent in all 3, and offer a very good idea of what its like to own these engines/vehicles, and the problems people have. Ian On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 07:45:02PM -0700, robert luis rabello wrote: Hello everyone! While the atrocities were happening in New York and Washington, I was in Baltimore for a convention. During that time, I visited a cousin who owns a repair shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. Many of his customers drive older Mercedes Benz sedans--many of them diesel powered. My uncle bought a full sized 1985 turbo diesel through this man for $5 000, and I was impressed with the quality of this machine when I rode around in it. I have a couple of observations upon which I would appreciate your commentary. My cousin told me that if I'm interested in Mercedes diesels, that I should avoid anything built after 1985. He complained that the quality of many parts declined seriously during the 1986 model year, and the reliability of the engines likewise suffered. Have any of you experienced this phenomenon, or do these remarks reflect the bias of this particular man? Secondly, while the car itself was comfortable, it suffered from the traditional diesel malady of mediocre acceleration, coupled with voluminous, sooty exhaust. At highway speed, the engine was turning nearly 3 000 rpm, and sounded like it needed overdrive! Perhaps it's not fair to compare an older vehicle like this to one with a more modern engine--especially given that the full sized Mercedes is likely a rather heavy car. Have any of you experienced a diminishing of the sooty exhaust in an older diesel engine running biodiesel or svo? (As an aside, my interest in diesel engines was initially sparked when I managed a truck repair shop for my father in law. The 10 liter Cummins N14 and Detroit 60 series computerized turbos were the dominant engines of choice back then--they ran clean, produced tremendous torque, and most of them lasted well over 800 000 kilometers before requiring an overhaul. This is the kind of performance I'd like to see from automotive diesels!) Also, the Ford Ranger came with a 2.3 liter turbo diesel made by Mazda for a few years. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? The 6.2 and 6.5 liter GM engines have a poor reputation, but some people I have spoken to say this is undeserved. I found a full sized Ford crew cab with the 7.3 turbo for $11 000 this weekend, and though I like the crew cab, I believe making biodiesel for an engine that big will make a slave out of me. (I like the four cylinder Ranger I have, but it's gasoline powered.) Your comments will be appreciated! robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner
I don't know if this has already been posted or not, but there's a fellow who made one and has a good writup here: http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/babington/default.htm Ian On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 12:14:18PM +0100, M Dorman wrote: Me Too! If anyone could put these burners together, I would also be very interested in getting my hands on one. I cant wait to see them burning tho WVO with water in it. My only concern is the safety aspect, but I am sure that a neat little unit could be designed that is well contained and safe. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ujOgTC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Good/Inexpensive Diesel Engines?
On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:48:41AM -0400, Aidan Wilkins wrote: Hello, I will try to answer your questions then let others agree or disagree. I recently bought a diesel VW Jetta. When I did so many people pointed out what you are saying about the cost so lets compare. Diesel Rebuild and maintenance: Fuel pump- relatively expensive. Injectors- rebuild for fair money I own a GM diesel (6.5L), so I do understand the economics of it, and I'm sure it would work out in the end. But I also think there must be better engines than these for working on etc. Anyone ever rebuild their own injector pump on the VW engines (or any diesel for that matter)? Thanks for your input! Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Good/Inexpensive Diesel Engines?
Hi all So, with biodiesel being a much better fuel than gasoline etc., I'm wanting to use it in more places. However, I am finding that the price of diesel engines, and the price to repair/rebuild them is quite a bit more than that of gasoline engines. For example, living in North America, a chev 350 can be rebuilt very inexpensively, and there's a plethora of after market parts etc. However, there doesn't seem to be any diesel equivalents that I can find. What I'd love to come accross is an engine that's easy to work on, inexpensive to buy, repair and rebuild, and is somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 to 200 hp. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Interesting...
I must reply. A Christian aid spokesperson had a space of 3 minutes of TV time today in between the bouts of the far too often shown disaster. His speech slowly turned into a tearful truth about the innocent Afghani peasants unaware of what may happen to them. Just as the tears welled in his eyes, the news presenter cut in and his tv time terminated. Where is the sense in this news coverage? Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My web page is up and running
Jorge My url is www.btinternet.com/~sledgehamma Ian - Original Message - From: Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:35 PM Subject: [biofuel] My web page is up and running Hello all, To Ian, what is your web address. please? Thanks. Jorge. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] My web page is up and running Hi all. Just uploaded my web pages. I'd like some feedback and any remarks you might have. Thanks Ian Ian, Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Put a charge in your plants
Oh yes,, Something dear to me, big sparks. Put a high voltage through water and energize your plants into growing 50% quicker. Read this http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/07/08/stiireire01006.html? Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Put a charge in your plants
lol Reckon it would. Ive put a HV charge thru water to make hydrogen, but never thought of putting the water out on the lawn. Maybe I should, I'll also run a pipe to the garden pond and see if I get an algae ploom. That only happens when the water gets enriched with O2. be a neat experiment. I'll keep you all posted. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biod v Std Diesel UK Smoke Emmision test comparison
This may be a duplicate mail. Sorry if it is. Out of curiosity, Ive had abiod emssion test done. Its comparing against a std diesel emission test on the same vehicle 10,000 miles previous. Laymans figures. But they do the job. :) Ian http://www.btinternet.com/~sledgehamma/emission.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biod v Std Diesel Uk Smoke Emmision comaparison
Out of curiosity, Ive had an emmsion test done. Its comparing against a std diesel emission test on the same vehicle 10,000 miles previous. Laymans figures. But they do the job. :) Ian http://www.btinternet.com/~sledgehamma/emission.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Biofuels Ease Consciences was Re: [biofuel] Aldehyde and dioxin from biodiesel? (sort of off topic)
Yes, these are good points. It certainly sums me up. To ease my conscience, I feel I'm doing my bit, but as you quite rightly say, it makes you think about economy. Really tho, its not too bad, as Mad Dave pointed out to me a month or so ago, the days of the combustion engine will soon come to an end, remember, what we are doing is a stop gap, a bridging point between what we have now and hopefully something much much better than the status quo. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My web page is up and running
Hi all. Just uploaded my web pages. I'd like some feedback and any remarks you might have. Anybody wanting links just let me know. Thanks Ian http://www.btinternet.com/~sledgehamma/index.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My web page is up and running
Ammendments made. Ive only just got registered Ed. Ethanol is my next project. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My web page is up and running
:) You make me laugh steve, Ok, i'll put your name up. Anyone else Ive overlooked? If you all send me photos of yourselves, your loved ones, whatever, I'll put them on my site for you. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My web page is up and running
just domestic hot water tank heaters. Follow the rswww link on my page, do a search for immersion heater Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] uk waste incinerator propaganda
Hi all. The british government has announced a proposal of 50 waste incinerators to be built over the next few years, britain relies heavily on landfill, not much recycling and free burning the methane, but they expect much public opposal. This is very strange. A few years back I couldnt understand that a local town had opposed the construction of a swedish designed high temp waste incinerator. This town moaned and grumbled for many years about the constant smell from a very large landfill site close by. The incinerator would come with a gaurantee that the towns folk would get a large reduction in their electrical bills, as the waste would produce electric, and the surrounding area turned into parkland etc. The application was turned down due to local unhappiness of a large chimmney. This didnt seem right. A private survey was carried out soon after the outcome. just over 1500 people, many localised to the proposed area, were asked if in favour or against. 82% in favour. What the heck is going on. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Small time Biodieselers take note
DOHH this is daft. no I'm not leaving. I'm now a legit biod producer. Its just that there is a lot of people out there taking up biod production without doing any homework. This lists inhabitants all have their heads screwed on the right way, Its the people who do a web search, get a bit of knowledge on how to make the stuff, make a mess dump the crap then get done. The very same people who dump their old sump oil down the drain. What I'm saying is web pages that get straight into the diy of biod only highlight the danger of meth and caustic. Its only a handful of people who actually really educate themselves about biod and the law etc. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] me and my big mouth re: smalltimers
Hi all Well, I certainly have some explaining to do. I would like to apologise to all with my remarks in the 'smalltimer' thread I fired up. It was really stupid, for a start off, all of you who populate this list are good law abiding citizens and I can honestly say the remarks I made were not aimed towards any of you. In a round about way I'm trying to protect anybody jumping on the biod bandwagon and making a fast buck without looking much more carefully at the legal and environmental issues of production, just making them think. :) Now, On my first initial batches, Ive skirted around giving proper answers on this forum, for the very simple reason, I wasnt registered. I was running scared. I built my processor and started gleening knowledge before I got into the legal side of things. BIG MISTAKE. I shouldve sat down, gone through everything, done a few batches microscale. Once happy with a microscale batch, get registered with customs excise, go on to produce a large scale usable batch. I'm happy to say using both Aleks' 'Foolproof' method and his 2 stage process which I prefer, I have produced some amazing fuel. I can assure any of you readers who might be connected with CE that no fuel has seen the inners of any vehicle, heating aparatus , or diesel driven machinery. But I'm ready to. In the meantime, whilst waiting for formalities to sort out, I'm finding time to build some web pages with loads of info on my processor how to build it, and other things that UK newcomers should be aware of. I'm an honest bloke not out to rip anyone off, just want to do my bit for the environment. My apologies once again. I will understand if you would all like me to leave the list, as I feel Ive messed a lot of people around here. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Small time Biodieselers take note
Hi all. I feel the need that this information should be passed on to every one contemplating making Biodiesel for themselves. I do not intend to rubbish or pull down biodiesels most excellent properties. What I see the need in is to inform the average person who wants to have a go at making some for himself. I see that all the info out there on how to produce Biod contains the all important warnings on the chemicals used, this is not taken far enough. Let me explain. As a renewable fuel source it is ideal. It takes away the problem of waste oil from your local fryer, it saves you money, it saves the environment. Firstly, not all the oils out there are any good for Biod prodction. Most people set out to make the stuff from your local chip shop. Well your going to fail straight away. You see, most chip shops in the UK use Palm Oil. This stuff is white and solid when new and once used is light brown and goes solid once again. THIS CANNOT BE PROCESSED and is difficult to blend with other oils. It can be processed but the time, extra chemicals and a lower end yield make it useless. Once youve found good supply of WVO your biggest problem unfolds when you begin producing on a regular basis. You are creating Toxic waste. For every 100 litres of oil processed you will end up with 20 - 30 litres of Black Goo, and 100 litres of caustic and methanol laden water. Then there is the batches that go wrong. What are you doing with this waste? How many of you are able, or even bothered to process the Black goo further? YOU CANNOT PUT ANYTHING DOWN THE DRAIN. If you do, one or two things will happen. If your lucky, you will get a serious blockage somewhere along the line. If your unlucky this mix will hit the water treatment plant on a regular basis. This will show on the water monitoring equipment. The first few times you do it the water board will probably overlook it. When it starts happening each week or so, they will send out an investigation party that will trace the toxins straight to your front door. Now start thinking up excuses. If you are producing Biodiesel and have not approached Customs and excise you will be fined, big time. You will be back taxed 12 months on each diesel vehicle you own based on the vehicles annual mileage and fuel consumption. This also includes Heating oil and any other diesel driven plant. What if you start to collect oil from places where a licensed oil collector already takes? He wont be too happy, he'll almost certainly inform CE. Now onto the personal aspects. Youve all read the warnings on Methanol and Caustic. It is real, it kills it maims and it destroys without you even knowing it. You will have a stinking yard and garage, your home and you will soon smell, your garden will die and so will you. The fumes are heavy and sticky, they cling to everything including your lungs. You may notice after some time storing waste oil, it will catch the attention of vermin. Take it from me, I'm something of an anarchist, anti capitalist and environmentalist, everything Big Bro wants out the way. If you cover your ass well, you will get away with it, but is it really worth it? You dont realize all this until its too late. Ian.. anticipating some heated remarks. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Small time Biodieselers take note
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Small time Biodieselers take note snipped Thanks for the reply Keith. I couldve raised my mail as questions. but just lately, there seems to be quite an underground movement of biodieselling over here. I thought it wise to bring on the list, some of the topics that seem to be through ignorance can catch the unwary out. Ive been in a negative mood today anyway. I'm sorry if ive upset anyone. The bit about the vermin is a bit unfounded, sorry all you whiskered friends out there. (jeez, you can see the effect of methanol already, lol). Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] titration ph question
Hi all. Well, I thought I'd have a play about with learning titration. On the practical side I'm at a loss here. This is what I ve done. I mixed 1ml of wvo with 10ml Isopropol alcohol (ipa) I made up a working solution of lye with distilled water 1 litre and 1 gm of caustic. I buffered my digital ph meter at 7 and 10 I'm aiming for 8.5ph after adding lye at increments of 1/10th ml Firstly, my ipa measures 11ph my distilled water about 8.4ph adding lye to the mix just pushes it up. What am I doing wrong now! If the water is reading 8.4 this will put the lye concentration out. Is there something wrong with my water, ipa, me? Laugh a minute hey guys :O Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hydrogenated Oil
I'm asking the same question. How can you tell it apart from other veggie oil? Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Washing BD
fridge compressor :) Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Washing BD
Try a redundant fridge/freezer compressor :) Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Another missed opportunity
At least 98% of trucks and buses in the uk are diesel Steve. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bubbling devices
Thanks To Simon Wells, I made a bubbler from a Grind stone wheel. Works perfectly. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Horse Manure
Could you try this for me, or anyone who has a large amount of crap sitting round, get 2 copper pipes or rod about 4' long. Place each one opposite each other on each side of the pile. Get a voltmeter and measure any voltage across the two. I heard of this a while back and am interested if it works. Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bubblewash alternative
Hi all. Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain. It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres, the aquarium pump just dosnt do the job. Those blue ended air stones erode even at the sight of Biod. So what do you do for an air supply? have a noisy and expensive larger compressor? a handy 300 bar diving cylinder? Maybe you have an alternative air supply that isnt going to cost. The way I see it, fine jets of water from above the oil makes a lot of sense. Get a pond pump that isnt going to blow you away, stick it in a recycling mode, make the jets from 15mm copper pipe .05mm diam 5mm apart, really straight, Those pesky inner burrs are going to throw your water jets cascading into each other. Answer, drill straight through the pipe, put a bit of sand in pipe to protect the holes from the solder when you fill up the initial holes. :) If the pump is too strong and youve got mini whirlpools, dont put a water restrictor inline, this will make the pump pull more current costing you money. Alternatively stick some form of voltage control on the pump ( Bob G, help me out here). Again, i take no credit for the overhead water wash, the ideas for drilling and controlling came to mind whilst typing this mail. :). Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bubble wash alternative
Hi all. Bubblewashing as i see it can be a pain. It works very well, but when it comes to larger batches than 50 litres, the aquarium pump just dosnt do the job. Those blue ended air stones erode even at the sight of Biod. So what do you do for an air supply? have a noisy and expensive larger compressor? a handy 300 bar diving cylinder? Maybe you have an alternative air supply that isnt going to cost. The way I see it, fine jets of water from above the oil makes a lot of sense. Get a pond pump that isnt going to blow you away, stick it in a recycling mode. Make the jets from 8 - 15mm copper pipe, drilled .05mm - 1mm diam, 5mm apart, in a really straight line. Those pesky inner burrs are going to throw your water jets cascading into each other. Answer, drill straight through the pipe, put a bit of sand in pipe to protect the holes from the solder when you fill up the initial entry holes. :) If the pump is too strong the water will pool on the surface (not good). Dont put a water restrictor inline, this will make the pump pull more current costing you money. Alternatively stick some form of voltage control on the pump ( Bob G, help me out here). Again, i take no credit for the overhead water wash, the ideas for drilling and controlling came to mind whilst typing this mail. :). Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubblewash murkyness
I have a very nice ph meter! I also did a hydrometer check - .86 I nipped home at lunchtime and took the oil to 80oC then took the heat off. I'll let you know if it clears. Ian - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] bubblewash murkyness How do you determine your pH accuracy to hundredths? If so, looks OK to me Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Aleks' 'foolproof method' methanol reclaim
Thanks Aleks. Ian - Original Message - From: Aleksander lt;kac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:54 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Aleks' 'foolproof method' methanol reclaim --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian, a friend and I have tried it (boil off). It's no use, takes a lot of energy since the mass to heat up is tremenduous and real gain is very thin. At methanol BP we got zip. Not a drop. 10 deg C higher temperature gave a few drops. It really doesn't pay. (all experiments were done at atmospheric pressure) The combined two stager is already a quite lean recipe. But with recipes using more than 20% it could perhaps be feasible. With a vacuum extractor like Dale's. Aleks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bubblewash murkyness
Amb temp 10oC ph 6.79 will warm again this evening thanks all Ian snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Specific gravity of Diesel
Whats the specific gravity for Biodiesel? Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Specific gravity of Diesel
Thanks Biofuels. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / snipping
if you want strong magnets, you can get very very strong neodynium magnets out of broken pc hard drives, they are small and great fun to play with. Ian - Original Message - From: David Sanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / snipping Magnets? I use permanent magnets on fuel lines and air intake in my diesel, but... aparently nothing happens. It's only my opinion. David Imanes? Uso imanes permanentes en las lneas de fuel y en la toma de admisin de mi diesel, pero... aparentemente no mejora nada. Es slo mi opinin. David Dick Carlstein wrote: From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? *good post warren !! this magnet thing either works, or else is just more urban legend. both ways, it shouldn't be hard to check out, like checking out novak's baby was easy. *will come up with a test routine, and post when i have my numbers in, just like the fogger. *some questions snipped into the article : ...Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with the south-seeking poles directed inward *besides floating one of them, and then comparing, is there some other method for determining a magnet's south that i am unaware of, or have forgotten ? The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar strong magnet will work *such as speaker magnets ? how do i determine if a magnet is strong enough for this application ? Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to believe... *i know for a fact that something very similar to an 'orgone accumulator' works just fine, and does generate fuel savings at a reasonable cost. this lends credibility to this gent's thesis. You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack... *it would sure help to have a rs cat # or something more specific to go on. any chance of obtaining this ? rs is such a comfy one-stop place for all of these odds and ends, i find... ...Natural Energy Works has been selling these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 plus $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for $12.95. The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or furnace, when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or combustion chambers. *what shape and size are the magnets n.e.w. sells ? 12.95 for a booklet on why and how it works sounds a bit steep to me. thoughts on this ? *notice closeness to entry point is invariably stressed. is 'the closer the better', or will 'close enough' do ? *nice project for anybody willing to keep statistically significant tabs on fuel use. i for one will fit it into one of my ongoing projects, asap. *who knows, 7-11 % from the fogger, + 5-15 % from the magnets, plus a bit of meth in the gasoline, and maybe an h generator, and we might be looking at some significant savings here. i've got the fogger down pat, and am halfway there with the h generator, so all i need to do now is mix some meth into the gas, grab some magnets and run... *life is only bearable when dreams egg you on, methinks... A DAILY GAME My death and I play daily games, whence she reminds me of herself, whilst I keep focused on my elusive quest, paying but scant attention to her ways, too busy with dreams I need to claim, before time comes for our embrace. *thanks for helping me enlarge the scope of my dreaming, warren. *and pls excuse myn OT jingle... From: Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: water + alky / dino-svo + alky / auto tranny + svo / biod + svo Apace Technology in Australia developed an emulsifier that enabled the mixing of ethanol with dinodiesel. They were active some 20 years ago but don't know where it went from there. *thanks for the info paul. i have it that benzene will allow a certain ammount of water contaminated ethanol to mix with gasoline, but have yet to try this. what about meth/dyno ? the asuncion, paraguay municipality at one point was going to make 10% anhidrous (absolute) ethanol content mandatory in dyno used in buses and such, but the project flopped due to truck/bus owner's resistance. maybe the old rubber controversy...?? (bobeda, any chance you could stop lurking and explain the eth/dyno program in asuncion ?)(:-D) From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles i dont know the trade name tho. Ian - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? I would love to hear any input you all might have. Thanks - Fischmann [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My first 80 litre batch
Ive just put the second stage in for wash. It was much lighter in colour and much thinner than the first, but quite murky. In the water its turned murkier. See what its like in the morning. Ian - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: [biofuel] My first 80 litre batch Hi all. Well, I finally did the first large batch yesterday. Using alecs' 'foolproof' method. I think i messed up big time. My system worked perfectly although it took nearly 2 hrs to filter the oil. My mix was 80% liquid veggie and 20% solid veggie. 80 litres in total. I heated it all up to 100oC until i could get no more water from it, (there wasnt much). I sucked it thru the filter (). got the temp to 55oC then added 8 litres of methanol. 5 mins later added 80ml 98 proof sulphuric. I then mixed for 55 mins then stopped heating. This is where i messed up. Going by Alecs, I gave the mixture 1hr 40 mins before adding the first half of methoxide (4 litres). But, wait for it, that was after the initial 55 mins :( . So, the base cat was working for 2hrs 35 mins. This morning, expecting the worst I opened the drain expecting thick dark gunge, it didnt happen, I got really murky mid brown oil, there was no seperation. So, i thought what the hell, heated up the whole mix to 55oC and added the final 4 litres of methoxide. Mixed for 10 mins stopped heating and stirring. Now all i can do is wait till 9 this evening to see what ive got. My caustic seemed rather white, so i mixed the methoxide using 280gms to 8 litres meth. Apart from my stupidity, the whole system was flawless, except i drew water in from back siphoning from the bubbler to the vacuum unit. Ive since put a one way valve in the system. The water didnt reach the mix it just filled up the liquid trap some. Any suggestions? Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: thermophotovoltaic technology
nice one! ian - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: thermophotovoltaic technology Hello fellow biofuelers, The following message was posted on another email list. I do not have this magazine yet. Sounds like this technology might be a god-send if the cost is tolerable. Maybe wrap these cells around IC engines, put them in solar collectors, etc? Sheesh, per the numbers given, one square meter of cells would generate 50 kW of electricity! Too good to be true??? An article in the June issue of Popular Science told about some new technology about to hit the market. These are something like solar cells in that they collect one form of energy and convert it into useable electricity. But these are designed to absorb heat from another source and convert the heat into electricity. They are designing home heating furnaces that have these TPV cells lined around the internal combustion chamber to absorb the heat and convert it into enough electricity. A regular solar cell makes one milliwatt per square centimeter. the TPV cell makes 5 watts of power per square centimeter. One model heating unit already on the market makes enough power to run its own fan, recharge storage batteries, all the while supplying enough heat for the house. The next generation units are predicted to generate enough electricity while heating the home to power the rest of the house's needs and put juice back into the power grid during low energy need times. If they can figure out how to do the same with airconditioning compressors(which also put out a lot of heat), dryers, and stove/ovens, you Californians may not need any new power plants after all :0) -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My first 80 litre batch
Hi all. Well, I finally did the first large batch yesterday. Using alecs' 'foolproof' method. I think i messed up big time. My system worked perfectly although it took nearly 2 hrs to filter the oil. My mix was 80% liquid veggie and 20% solid veggie. 80 litres in total. I heated it all up to 100oC until i could get no more water from it, (there wasnt much). I sucked it thru the filter (). got the temp to 55oC then added 8 litres of methanol. 5 mins later added 80ml 98 proof sulphuric. I then mixed for 55 mins then stopped heating. This is where i messed up. Going by Alecs, I gave the mixture 1hr 40 mins before adding the first half of methoxide (4 litres). But, wait for it, that was after the initial 55 mins :( . So, the base cat was working for 2hrs 35 mins. This morning, expecting the worst I opened the drain expecting thick dark gunge, it didnt happen, I got really murky mid brown oil, there was no seperation. So, i thought what the hell, heated up the whole mix to 55oC and added the final 4 litres of methoxide. Mixed for 10 mins stopped heating and stirring. Now all i can do is wait till 9 this evening to see what ive got. My caustic seemed rather white, so i mixed the methoxide using 280gms to 8 litres meth. Apart from my stupidity, the whole system was flawless, except i drew water in from back siphoning from the bubbler to the vacuum unit. Ive since put a one way valve in the system. The water didnt reach the mix it just filled up the liquid trap some. Any suggestions? Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] IMPORTANT schematic safety inclusions
Hi all. Thanks to Dave Preskett, Ive included some IMPORTANT safety requirements in this revised schematic. http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/Reac1cMa.gif Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] IMPORTANT schematic safety inclusions
I cannot gaurantee anything on this sytem, I stress to point out. Ian - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: [biofuel] IMPORTANT schematic safety inclusions Hi all. Thanks to Dave Preskett, Ive included some IMPORTANT safety requirements in this revised schematic. http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/Reac1cMa.gif Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Water vs Energy Importance
No, not at all. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Water vs Energy Importance To whomever this may concern why do I get the feeling that this forum is an exchange of ideas for a bunch of socialists, and communists? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] revised schematic
Sorry people, I attached it to the last mail :( heres the url http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/reac1bMa.gif Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Revised reactor schematic ver1bMa
sorry, heres the link http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/reac1bMa.gif - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: [biofuel] Revised reactor schematic ver1bMa This is a new revised layout with some changes ive made to my own system. Ive also included the methoxide mixing tank. Again this is still beta format. Anyone using this schematic as a guide to helping build a system, I give no gaurantees as to its effectiveness. So, if you get squirted with something nasty, its not my fault ;) Ive saved it as a gif this time, remeber (sorry got a cold) if you want to print it use landscape and fit to printer, in printer options. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil?
Yeh Hi Todd. It has been dragged up from a few weeks old thread. I'm installing another smaller tank in an annexed room close to the boiler. This i'll keep topped with biod. Its reasonably warm. Whilst on this subject whats the minimum temp that problems arise? Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Can Biod be replace central heating oil? Missed the original post on this thread. If the question is as stated in the subject line, the answer is absolutely yes. Some precautions must be taken to deal with cold weather mechanics such as clouding and gelling. Other than that, the only other problem is the sludge buildup on the old fuel oil tank will start to come loose, as the bio-d is a superb solvent. Just be aware that filters will need to be replaced with greater frequency for a year or two, unless the tank is cleaned prior to introducing bio-d. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol/methoxide vacuum concern
Thanks David. I did a quick search on the net and found one or two conversion charts which didnt have mws. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol/methoxide vacuum concern Ian, Dont know what mws mean in your message below but dug out the following chart for pressure To convert fromto Multiply by atmosphere, standard kilopascal (kPa) 101.325 atmosphere, technical (1 kilogram force per sqaure centimeter) kilopascal (kPa) 98.0665 bar kilopascal (kPa)100. centimeter of water [1] pascal (Pa) 98.0665 dyne per sqare centimeterpascal (Pa) 0.1 foot of water [1] kilopascal (kPa) 2.98907 inch of mercury [1] kilopascal (kPa) 3.38639 inch of water [1] pascal (Pa) 249.089 kilogram-force per sq. cm kilopascal (kPa) 98.0665 kilogram-force per sq. cm pascal (Pa) 9.80665 kip per sq. inch (ksi)kilopascal (kPa) 6894.757 millibarpascal (Pa) 100. millibarkilopascal (kPa) 0.1 millimeter of mercury [1] pascal (Pa) 133.322 poundal per sq. footpascal (Pa) 1.488164 pound-force per sq. foot pascal (Pa) 47.88026 pound-force per sq. inchkilopascal (kPa) 6.894757 psi kilopascal (kPa) 6.894757 torr pascal (Pa) 133.322 Althiugh probably not what you want may be of help. B.r. David - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] methanol/methoxide vacuum concern Hi all Can someone help me out here. If youve looked at my hoto, http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg my methoxide mixer is to the right, the grey tank. Now I'm concerned, as so far for my initial test batch I poured the methanol/methoxide straight in to the reactor (2 stage process). But I'm now wanting to use suction to deliver the methanol/methoxide. Will this pose a problem with boiling? Its having to lift approx 30 vua 15mm pipe amb temp 15 - 20oC Also I need some help with vacuum pressure. I see most measure by Hg I have a gauge which shows mws which goes to -10. Does anyone have figures and conversion for vacuum pressures. I need to know if my vac pump is capable of reclaiming methanol. I think it is, as its a corker of a unit, I just dont know what its measured capability is. Thanks Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: methanol/methoxide vacuum concern
Thankyou very much Dale. Ian - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: methanol/methoxide vacuum concern --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Can someone help me out here. If youve looked at my hoto, http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg my methoxide mixer is to the right, the grey tank. Now I'm concerned, as so far for my initial test batch I poured the methanol/methoxide straight in to the reactor (2 stage process). But I'm now wanting to use suction to deliver the methanol/methoxide. Will this pose a problem with boiling? I began using suction from the vacuum pump to pull in the methoxide, and did get a little boiling, even though the suction wasn't much (about 1/3 atmosphere). Later, I plumbed in a tee fitting into the suction line of the mixing pump, with a ball valve in the line from the methoxide tank to the mixing pump suction line. I now turn on the mixing pump for the reaction vessel, crack the ball valve in the methoxide line, and slooowly add the methoxide as the oil is circulated. I use a 2 hp mixing pump, but any pump that moves the oil fast enough should provide enough suction to pull in the methoxide. Moving fluids have lower pressure than static fluids, and the faster the fluid moves, the lower the pressure. Its having to lift approx 30 vua 15mm pipe amb temp 15 - 20oC Moving fluid in the mixing lines should be enough. If not, about 3 N/cm sq. should handle loading methoxide into the vessel. Also I need some help with vacuum pressure. I see most measure by Hg I have a gauge which shows mws which goes to -10. Does anyone have figures and conversion for vacuum pressures. I need to know if my vac pump is capable of reclaiming methanol. I think it is, as its a corker of a unit, I just dont know what its measured capability is. Most all vacuum gauges I've seen measure from atmospheric pressure down to absolute vacuum (approximately). So your maximum reading is probably equivalent to 29.92 hg. Sounds like it is calibrated in N/cm squared. There are 10 N/cm sq. from atmospheric pressure to full vacuum. The other marking sounds like a brand. Here's a converter: http://www.processassociates.com/process/convert/cf_prs.htm Good luck. It's an impressive machine. I usually recover methanol at the equivalent of 7.5 on your scale, 65 degrees C. You will hit a temp and pressure combination at which methanol comes out in a stream, with pressure and temp remaining stable. Once the pressure begins to drop and the temp rise, there isn't much methanol left to recover. If you allow enough settling time, hardly any methanol is left in the ester. I now recover only from the glycerol phase. Dale Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] photo of my biod unit
Ive just given the tanks a lick of paint and I thought what the heck, I'll do a quick shot and let you all see it. Ian http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biod failure :(
Hi all. I started a trial run yesterday and all seemed well , until I washed it today. I got loads of soap. I now realized what went wrong. The pipe between the filter tank and reactor had at least 1 litre of water in as I had done a few cycles using water to test the system. I had dissambled the main parts and completely dried everything, except for the pipe. I'm doing another run in the next few days. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biod failure :(
thanks Todd. Ive got about 50 litres of sort of usable oil, I'll give what you say a go. Ian - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] biod failure :( I started a trial run yesterday and all seemed well , until I washed it today. I got loads of soap. .. Ian, It can't all be soap. You didn't have enough catalyst to do that. How much is salvageable? Chemist showed me a salting out trick on a bad batch we made. It saved a few hundred dollars of hemp seed oil from being turned completely into soap. On micro-scale, dissolve 2 tbsp table salt into 1 pint water. Add a cup of your goo, agitate vigorously, let set 24 hours and see what settles where. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] methanol/methoxide vacuum concern
Hi all Can someone help me out here. If youve looked at my hoto, http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/process.jpg my methoxide mixer is to the right, the grey tank. Now I'm concerned, as so far for my initial test batch I poured the methanol/methoxide straight in to the reactor (2 stage process). But I'm now wanting to use suction to deliver the methanol/methoxide. Will this pose a problem with boiling? Its having to lift approx 30 vua 15mm pipe amb temp 15 - 20oC Also I need some help with vacuum pressure. I see most measure by Hg I have a gauge which shows mws which goes to -10. Does anyone have figures and conversion for vacuum pressures. I need to know if my vac pump is capable of reclaiming methanol. I think it is, as its a corker of a unit, I just dont know what its measured capability is. Thanks Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
