Re: [Biofuel] Dualistic thinking
Amen! Very profound, very acurate, very much in touch.. now where do we go from here? Age old question, has any one really ever reached the answer? Yes or no; did we listen, will we hear it, can we comprehend and follow? If not, what is to become of the human race? Humans are destined to repeat the mistakes of history, until we have learned from them. Will the human race surrvive that long? -- JRD The Tragedy of the Idealist by Bob Wallace Before he was executed, Adolf Eichmann was asked to explain his actions. I was an idealist, he said. An idealist, one whose moral compasses were spinning madly. Perhaps all idealists, in greater or lesser degree, have such compasses. The Nazis and the Communists were idealists, as are the greenies who blow up SUV dealerships and drive spikes into trees. To them, they are right; everyone who disagrees with them is not merely wrong, but evil. To them, there is no continuum from right to wrong. Everything is black or white. All of them considered themselves to be idealists, ones doing good, even if the sacrifice of other people's lives for their version of that greater good was, in their minds, necessary. Perhaps the sacrifice of other people is an inevitable part of that combination of idealism and force, which seeks a perfection on earth. The thought that they are doing wrong, if it flits across their minds at all, does so only briefly. The self-righteous -- innocents all -- can barely conceive of any ill coming from their actions. Superficially it's a disturbing thought that more people have died throughout history from conscious idealism than from evil. Yet, people like Stalin, who wanted to create the perfect New Soviet Man, and Hitler, who desired a god-like Master Race, ended up with tens of millions of their citizens dead. The worst evil serial killer in the world is but a drop in a lake compared to the idealism of a Pol Pot or Stalin or Hitler. So, on a deeper level, it isn't too terribly surprising that the idealistic desire for a perfect world, one rid of evil, has led to the catastrophes that it has. Fundamentally, Bush and the late Osama bin Laden share much in common. Both are idealists, and their idealism, fanatics. And in their fanaticism and idealism, they divide the world into absolute and mutually exclusive categories of Good and Evil, with nothing in between. They seek by force to impose their vision of perfection on the world, no matter how many innocent people get swept away. I don't do nuance, said the modern-day Manichee George Bush. And when you're trying to lead the world in a war that I view as really between the forces of good and the forces of evil, you got to speak clearly. There can't be any doubt . . . [O] ur goal is to defeat terror by staying on the offensive, destroying terrorist networks and spreading freedom and liberty around the world. Put simply, he wishes to destroy evil and replace it with his version of perfection. Osama bin Laden, another Manichee, didn't do nuance with the Great Satan, either. He was pretty clear about his idea of who was good and who was evil, and whose vision should be imposed on the world and whose shouldn't. He, too, wished to destroy evil and impose in its place his version of perfection. Wrote Bruce Bartlett, in the New York Times Magazine: ''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them . . . . The Manichees, heretics, supposedly died out over a thousand years ago. But they live on, in the soul of everyone who believes that people can be put into neat categories of Good and Evil. And those defined as evil must be eradicated. The most striking principle of Manichee theology is its dualism, notes the Wikipedia article on Manicheism. The universe is considered a battlefield for control between an evil material god, and a good spiritual god. Christians recognized the evil god in Satan but, of course, could not accept the idea that Satan had as much power as Jehovah. Christians held that Satan, unlike God, is a created being. The term Manichaeistic is often used to describe any religion with a similar concept of struggle between good and evil. The 20th Century was the Century of the Manichee. Those false religions known as Communism and Nazism -- Manichee to the core. And if they did not consider their opponents to be as strong as they were, why did they feel it necessary to attempt to slaughter them to extinction? Why would George Bush use the phrases the forces of good and the forces of evil as if they were equal to each other? And therein lies the problem with the modern-day Manichee: anyone who is on the receiving end of that term, evil, will be lucky if he escapes with
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Terry, Your misguided attempts to distort truths, and make Bush seem like a good guy, do offend me. Nothing could be more anti Christian then the current Bush administration, inspite of what he says on TV. Actions speak so much louder than empty words. Also, I don't think being intolerant is truly Christian. That is just what the religious right wing conservatives want you to believe. Re- read the New Testaments, Jesus would not disown certain groups of people just because they are different, or because they made choices that may be hard for others to understand. I don't understand how Bush can claim to be pro life when he has caused a war which has slaughterer thousands of innocent people. Banning partial birth abortions is silly anyway, no self respecting doctor would perform such a thing unless the life of the mother was in jeopardy. And please tell me when did the government become expert on what takes Doctors YEARS to study, learn, and practice. I do not want my government placing orders and restrictions on what my doctors can do to protect my health. Please read below: Gary Vance | Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? by Gary Vance Liberalism has been under assault for years now. The battering of this grand political philosophy has altered the contemporary definition of liberal to the point that Conservatives use it as a profane word. They use it to paint a political opponent as anti-God and anti-American. It has gotten to the point that moderate and liberal Christians are afraid to be open about their political leanings. Sadly, it even affects their conscience and choices as they enter the voting booth. This is particularly troubling to me as a Christian evangelical minister who loves America. Liberalism as defined by Webster's Third New International Dictionary: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for tolerance and freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority in all spheres of life. I am not sure why anyone would feel threatened by Liberalism as defined by the dictionary. They are apparently unaware or simply refuse to acknowledge the long history of liberals who have labored for the betterment of society and the furthering of God's Kingdom. The labor movement of the early twentieth century was aided significantly when major Christian denominations got behind it. No average American would have a fair wage today if it weren't for liberal Christians and labor activists. Liberal Christians and civil rights activists fought and still fight against conservative America for racial equality. Child labor laws were enacted because liberals fought for them. Medicare and Social Security exist today because of Liberalism. Bleeding heart liberals have long advocated for the homeless, the hungry, the less fortunate, and the disenfranchised. The women of America owe liberals a big thank you for their almost equal rights. Tree hugging liberals fight for clean air and water standards instead of favoring industrial polluters and short term profiteering that destroy God's green earth. Liberals believe in affordable health care for all U.S. citizens. They also believe in higher taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle class and the poor. Liberals love their spouses and children. Liberals faithfully attend their churches to worship God. Liberals love America and hate terrorism and have proved it by fighting in every war for this country. Liberals come in all shapes, sizes, and color. They are found in the ranks of Protestants, Catholics, Jews, agnostics, and atheists. Conservative Republican policies generally favor the wealthy and ignore the needs of the poor. Their policies are so often greed-driven, with no concern for the environmental or societal consequences for their exploitive actions. Jesus plainly taught that the love of money is the root of all evil. So, Christians can go after the various fruit of sin in our society, but they won't see the real change for the better until the axe is laid to the root. Christians should oppose greed-driven policies as a primary point of political concern. I am sick of reading letters to the editor and editorials that paint Democrats and liberals as anti-God and anti-American and that portray conservative Republicans as the only true Christian patriots. We know that many Democrats are pro-choice and many support gay issues and this troubles most evangelicals. Democrats also support causes that should be of Christian concern that go untouched by Republicans. I have listed some in the above paragraphs. True prophetic vision sees that there is great need for repentance on the left and the right. The effects of powerful lobbyists, special interest groups, greed and corruption abound on both sides of the aisles of Congress. God
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
I am glad to hear that. I believe that most people on this list are intelligent enough to not carry those same views. What is sad is that half of America is not that smart. They don't see the truth in front of them, and choose to remain ignorant. They call it patriotism, I call it stupid. It is no wonder why the US is becoming the laughing stock of the world. We used to tell dumb Pollock jokes, now every one else is telling dumb American jokes. It is not a good thing. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide Jennifer, in a previous message, Terry states that he did not write the initial voter guide. He merely passed along a message that has been on the internet. Jonathan Schearer. Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Terry, Your misguided attempts to distort truths, and make Bush seem like a good guy, do offend me. Nothing could be more anti Christian then the current Bush administration, inspite of what he says on TV. Actions speak so much louder than empty words. Also, I don't think being intolerant is truly Christian. That is just what the religious right wing conservatives want you to believe. Re- read the New Testaments, Jesus would not disown certain groups of people just because they are different, or because they made choices that may be hard for others to understand. I don't understand how Bush can claim to be pro life when he has caused a war which has slaughterer thousands of innocent people. Banning partial birth abortions is silly anyway, no self respecting doctor would perform such a thing unless the life of the mother was in jeopardy. And please tell me when did the government become expert on what takes Doctors YEARS to study, learn, and practice. I do not want my government placing orders and restrictions on what my doctors can do to protect my health. Please read below: Gary Vance | Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Wasn't Jesus A Liberal? by Gary Vance Liberalism has been under assault for years now. The battering of this grand political philosophy has altered the contemporary definition of liberal to the point that Conservatives use it as a profane word. They use it to paint a political opponent as anti-God and anti-American. It has gotten to the point that moderate and liberal Christians are afraid to be open about their political leanings. Sadly, it even affects their conscience and choices as they enter the voting booth. This is particularly troubling to me as a Christian evangelical minister who loves America. Liberalism as defined by Webster's Third New International Dictionary: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for tolerance and freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority in all spheres of life. I am not sure why anyone would feel threatened by Liberalism as defined by the dictionary. They are apparently unaware or simply refuse to acknowledge the long history of liberals who have labored for the betterment of society and the furthering of God's Kingdom. The labor movement of the early twentieth century was aided significantly when major Christian denominations got behind it. No average American would have a fair wage today if it weren't for liberal Christians and labor activists. Liberal Christians and civil rights activists fought and still fight against conservative America for racial equality. Child labor laws were enacted because liberals fought for them. Medicare and Social Security exist today because of Liberalism. Bleeding heart liberals have long advocated for the homeless, the hungry, the less fortunate, and the disenfranchised. The women of America owe liberals a big thank you for their almost equal rights. Tree hugging liberals fight for clean air and water standards instead of favoring industrial polluters and short term profiteering that destroy God's green earth. Liberals believe in affordable health care for all U.S. citizens. They also believe in higher taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle class and the poor. Liberals love their spouses and children. Liberals faithfully attend their churches to worship God. Liberals love America and hate terrorism and have proved it by fighting in every war for this country. Liberals come in all shapes, sizes, and color. They are found in the ranks of Protestants, Catholics, Jews, agnostics, and atheists. Conservative Republican policies generally favor the wealthy and ignore the needs of the poor. Their policies are so often greed-driven, with no concern for the environmental or societal consequences for their exploitive actions. Jesus plainly taught that the love of money is the root of all
Re: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan
Peggy, Please tell me more, or tell me where to read up and learn more about this new processing. I am very interested in ethanol production, and I work for a well renown NMR research facility. The idea of using magnetic and electric fields is huge, if it can work well. How could I get involved in this research? Thank you -- JRD (Jennifer R. Doty) - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan Hello MH, We are also experimenting with an optional alternative to acid based processing via another processing innovation (fluid through electric and magnetic fields--and this is very experimental. A previous study done in New York published on glucose release from cellulosic material via the big bad use of irradiation. So now we are considering trials with alternating fields. Actually the device is our own water-cleaning apparatus that has proved 5 log reduction in microbes in a stream of water. So, I'm not real sure about your statement about acid hydrolysis. There are many steps and innovations involved. Please qualify your question. I see my message as encouragement for alternative biomass feedstock, alternative biomass processing techniques, and alternative ways to address concerns while bolstering rural economic development. It seems to me that Keith's post today highlighting Argentina's decline in individual and small community interests is a good example of what not to do. We don't want to immobilize and invigorate the masses. We want to encourage farmers to consider their alternatives. We also think that it is possible to just say no when faced with options that are not earth friendly. The masses live in cities and absorb media and become fat. (Obesity--National Geographic lead article from a couple of months ago.) The masses have been taught to be gluttonous by advertising and parental indulgence. Self-sufficiency by my standards includes community cooperation. Who do I want to invigorate??? People who can make a difference and the people who take the time to participate in this Internet exchange are a good starting point. Thanks for the email. You make us think, and that is good. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US Minnesota Fuels Plan Governor Pawlenty Announces Plans to Double Ethanol Level in Gasoline and Reduce State Gasoline Consumption by 50% -- Sep 27, 2004 http://www.governor.state.mn.us/Tpaw_View_Article.asp?artid=1120 ~ Plan also includes greater use of hybrid vehicles ~ Good luck Gov. However, we hope to change the fuel ethanol business to be total biomass production and not based on an expensive food crop. And the existing corn producers are doing a great job with their products. We salute them and look forward to joining forces toward a united effort. And its also fine for them to call their state the capital just as long as they don't regulate or control the others. Examples are good. We too expect to be an excellent example only by having many small units in operation. The current processing plants are HUGE and really pump out a substantial amount of fuel. Good job! The state's real goal, however, it to attract government research money, and if the US government follows their current tact, they will limit production to projects centered on grains. The money powers in the DOE seem to have a kind of tunnel vision when it comes to innovation. They have a twenty-year plan. How's that for stiffening creativity? It means supporting those that are entrenched in the system allowing little room for new ideas or expansion. Being a center could mean keeping the money for personal projects that tend to be focused on that state's agenda. Well, no offense meant for the good work being done. I'd just like to see the money power look around a bit more and stop trying to promote their cush researchers to always be included in remote projects. By insisting that they stay involved, they also require a stake in the project thereby keeping control of future expansion, future funding, and the future of biofuels. I'm sure that everyone knows by now that our group focuses on community cooperative efforts bootstrapping themselves from their own resources. And many non-food crops can be exceedingly productive as feedstock for fuel ethanol. Best wishes, Peggy From my understanding you want to mobilize and invigorate the masses using your acid based cellulosic ethanol fuel, correct? What was the subject line used to describe this process as well as personal cost for this endeavor? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] We're Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore
simply perfectly correct -- JRD We're Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore By Garrison Keillor Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today's. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor. In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. Bipartisanship is another term of date rape. says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy. The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong's moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt's evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we're deaf, dumb and dangerous. Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace. Here in 2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform of tragedy. The single greatest failure of national defense in our history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House fought to keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the hubcaps, thanks to generous tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to lead us into a box canyon of debt that will render government impotent, even as we engage in a war against a small country that was undertaken for the president's personal satisfaction but sold to the American public on the basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose purpose is to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking place in this country, flowing upward, and the deception is working beautifully. The concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the death knell of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has survived this. The election of 2004 will say something about what happens to ours. The omens are not good. Our beloved land has been fogged with fear, the greatest political strategy ever. An ominous silence, distant sirens, a drumbeat of whispered warnings and alarms to keep the public
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Moderator's message
Thank you Buck, It is nice to find common ground with other normal folks. There are so many uninformed rednecks in this part of South Carolina, and it is nice to belong to a group of educated, thinking people who also know that there is more to intellect than proper spelling and grammar. I am amazed daily at so called normal, average folks who can spell integrity, honesty, independent thinking, sound judgment, etc. but, do not know how to apply it to their daily lives. Then are too proud to ask questions and learn how. Maybe I am just in a bad mood today. Oh well, life continues.. By the way, I am lucky that my spell checker does catch most of my mistakes before my emails go out if not, you would really see what I mean!--- JRD - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Moderator's message hi jennifer,immm also multib;e personality,)not really) so i alwlasy have someone to talk to but just not right now,,, wevee had aaan arugment and are not speaking bawaa hahahah,laughingg like a loon,, jenniferr ,u can talk to meee anytime no matter whicha part of the sweing you are on im not laughinnn at oanyone, i am inviting anyone to have a laugh with me, on me for if we can lajgh, perhaps we dont have to cry just yet,,,heads kup , bpck, From: Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Moderator's message Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:20:46 -0400 Ah, yes. I do understand the world of Bi- Polar. Such a blessing, such a curse, wonderful mood swings, irrational motivations, etc. I've been a diagnosed manic depressive since age 16, but I take comfort in the fact that most genesis have a mental illness. I know I am no genesis, my spelling is worse than Buck's, but I am in good company. - JRD Yes, I change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, that is part of the nature of being Bi-Polar.That is part of who I am. If the list can not accept me for who I am and what positive things I can sometimes offer, ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
I believe you are right in many ways. It is kind of scary. You know history repeats itself, and humans are destined to repeat their mistakes until they learn from them. Much of America is so busy defending our every action and reaction, that we do not learn from our mistakes, or change our ways of dealing with important issues. We are destined to keep repeating mistakes made in history, as long as we remain so stubborn and proud. We have to be willing to say Hey, we did not handle this right, how can we do this better or Hey, this was not right when so and so did it, so why do we think we have the right to act this way? Yet as a nation we are too proud. This blind patriotism is thought from day one in kindergarten, the only way to combat this type thinking is to change the way we are teaching our children to think. If our teachers could tell their students it is more important to be honest, accountable, fair, rather than patriotic, then perhaps in twenty years we could see a difference in America, American Politics, and eventually in world events. But far too many people are Proud to be and American. I am proud to be and American, but I am more proud to be a world citizen, a human, and a child of God. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, etc. whatever faith you follow, we all eventually pray to the same God. These are far more important than being an American. -- JRD Hello, You said in your email below: I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany We ARE ALREADY down that path. And it involves far more than Bush. It's about American world domination for which Bush is just a current advocate. --ME --- Jennifer Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Amen! Hi Allan, Not so long ago, people around the world were concerned about the spread of Communism. We looked to Moscow and hoped the next Russian leader would be a moderate, not one of the old-guard intelligence community hard-liners, prone to de-stabilizing and invading strategic territory abroad, while cracking down on personal freedoms at home. Substitute American Imperialism for Communism and Washington for Moscow and you then have the real reason for defeating Bush. Hard-liners on either end of the spectrum are bad for the country they are in as well as the rest of the world, and Bush is a perfect example of American hard-liners at their worst. As someone who truly is a centrist, I can not see how anyone who would support the current regime could call themselves anything but a right wing extremist, if they have any clue of what's really going on. Of course, those who rely on Fox News for all of their information are simply misinformed, but there is enough evidence of reality out there for even them to know that they are choosing to remain that way. Just my $.02. Brian It is so sad that people choose to remain ignorant, and call it patriotism. I fear we may be heading in the same direction as pre WWII Germany - JRD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Moderator's message
Ah, yes. I do understand the world of Bi- Polar. Such a blessing, such a curse, wonderful mood swings, irrational motivations, etc. I've been a diagnosed manic depressive since age 16, but I take comfort in the fact that most genesis have a mental illness. I know I am no genesis, my spelling is worse than Buck's, but I am in good company. - JRD Yes, I change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, that is part of the nature of being Bi-Polar.That is part of who I am.If the list can not accept me for who I am and what positive things I can sometimes offer, ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Re: why someone doesn't make a small processor for sale??
Amen! I love the quote from your Bible teacher!-- Jennifer - Original Message - From: bioveging To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: why someone doesn't make a small processor for sale?? Keith, you should know that you are never a sucker for putting something out that can help someone else, even though there is no commercial profit in it for you. Only those whose life is centered around profit see others who help people for selfless gain as suckers' and needless to say these same profit people are usually deprived of any true value themselves being too enamoured of the currency du jour to stoop to helping another. When the crash happended in the 30's all that cash wasn't worth spit in hell but those who were'nt all that attached to it used it to light fires that could heat and cook for people in need. Depends where a person's sense of priorities are at. On that other part, about buying ready made. Ain't that like settling for instant coffee when a little time invested and you could have organically grown, equitable coffee beans that you could make yourself into some of the best coffee you have ever had, or maybe good coffee (fuel) isn't that important, in which case buy a FuelMiester and settle for much much less than the best. There is something very validating in making your own first test batches and having them come out well, and it is also extrememly validating to think, pray (if you do that), and ponder the ins and outs of building your own personalised reactor and wash system. It takes time, it takes not being afraid to fail or be set back, it takes dedication to the end result, and it takes the drive to get there without anyone's support if need be, although the people here are VERY helpful and straight about what works and what doesn't. Please indulge me in a comparison. Those who have been following Tickell's book's method have to be unlearned of bad habits that the uninitiated don't have as a hang up, and the comparison is something that my Bible teacher told us; it is easier to teach someone who knows nothing about the Bible than to take a person who's mind and heart have been poluted by church doctrines and try to do something with them. Simply put, if you learn it right the first time you won't have to go back later and unlearn the bad stuuf and then learn it right. The process of doing right the first time is much less time consuming and much less frustrating. Take a year, if that is what time you have, and make your own processor and wash system, you won't regret it. Questions about what is what ? Check the archives and if you still can't find it come here and post. Someone will know the answer. Thanks for your indulgeance. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Mac Hey guys: I wish I can buy a 10+/- gallons processor made using the journey toforever directions, you know using scrap metal jar or someting like that, if some one spend 50 dollars to make one he/she can sell it for 150 dollars to make some profit. I there is one I like to buy it. Would you? For $150? Well, I don't know... You don't have much time? If we at Journey to Forever can spare the time (we can't, really) to develop something good and useful like this that meets a need and works well, and make it freely available on the Web for anybody, you'd rather reward someone who took advantage of that for their own commercial gain? We get ripped off all the time like this (though not with the 20-litre processor, yet), but we go on doing it anyway. Why? Because we're such nice guys/suckers? Maybe the biodiesel itself might not be as important as the fact that you can make it yourself. You can see people here saying that - their first batch, and they're thrilled to bits. If they can actually make their own fuel, and it's BETTER, then what else might they be capable of? That's the point, we reckon - it's a revolution, not just a shop. Same applies to processors, and to a lot of things. On the other hand, you said three days ago that you want to build a Mother Earth News waste oil heater, also from Journey to Forever, and that's a lot less simple than a 20-litre bucket and will take you much more time. And you want to buy Joshua Tickell's long outdated book, From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank, which wasn't much good in the first place, with fresher and better information right here and at Journey to Forever. Why not just do it? Please read this previous message to the list about From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31729/ The cheapest one I found was over 25,000 the is too much, if
[biofuel] Fw: Smuggled message to the people of France
Sorry about sending an attachment, but you have got to see this! It's great. Promise no bugs. The attached picture shows a label from a nylon laptop travel bag that is made by a small company here in the USA to be sold in France. Notice the English text. Then note the longer French text, which translates: Wash with warm water. Use mild soap. Dry flat. Do not use bleach. Do not dry in the dryer. Do not iron. We are sorry that our President is an idiot. We did not vote for him. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ok Since I Stirred the Pot Some...
I agree with L. You will have to start your own activist group most likely. Most of America does not know about bio fuels yet. I encourage you to take a short ride to the Boston area the last week of July. You will likely find lots of people interested in learning about bio fuels. No one realizes how simply great this can be. Most people still think this is a pie in the sky dream. We will have to tell them different, and then SHOW them how easy and true this really is. Maybe some one has a small portable unit that they can take to Boston and show off. Jennifer - Original Message - From: bioveging To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ok Since I Stirred the Pot Some... Gustl, you hit the nail on the head.Don't wait for anyone, expect anything from anyone, and be prepared to be the only Martian on your block :), but keep an eye out for other martians as they are out there and you just might run into one or two or maybe not. Do it because you know it's right, and hold your head up high while at it. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Phil, Friday, 09 July, 2004, 17:45:36, you wrote: PD How about some ideas to get some activism going. Or to address the PD question in more understandable way, how does one become active in PD the biodiesel movement on a local level. I live in Pennsylvania and PD am in contact with a few folks who are making for their own use. PD Who should I be contacting to find out if there is a larger group of PD folks who are being vocal on a local and state level? Any ideas? Perhaps not much of an idea from me but it is all I have. Work on your own, expect nothing from anyone, talk as much as you can to as many people as you are able about biofuels, etc. Talk up the cooperative idea. Hide and watch. My experience has been, unfortunately, is that people are generally too busy to do it. For busy read apathetic or lazy. Be prepared to be patient and work on your own. Do not get discouraged. Sooner or later someone will realize what is what and you will find someone with like interests and values. If you start sounding your horn you might get others sounding theirs back. As far back as the late sixties and early seventies I used to listen to people complaining about the high price and poor quality of food. I got to talking with a bunch of people at lunch at work and told them what my monthly food bill came to. They all wanted to know where I shopped. When it turned out to be a food co-op and they found out that I baked my own bread and soaked my beans, etc. instead of eating from a can they lost interest. Too much effort. But they didn't stop complaining. In general peoples priorities are skewed. Get your biodiesel processor going and contact a local newspaper. Show them what you are doing. Advertise in local newspapers and magazines for like minded people. Talk to people at your workplace or church or whatever clubs or organizations to which you belong. You may hit the jackpot but be prepared to go it alone and to introduce one person at a time to biofuels. Whatever you do don't get discouraged or angry. Neither help. Just remember that if something catastrophic happens it will be people like us who will be sought out to help those who were too busy before. Some folks just have to take a blow to the head before they understand something. Not much help from me I am afraid. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT
Re: [biofuel] ANyone along I-80 want to buy a biodiesel processor?
Hi Mark, If you think you may be all the way down here in Columbia, South Carolina, I would love to buy a bio fuel unit, and learn more about the entire process. That goes for any one who wants to travel down this way. July and August are yucky muggy hot dog days of summer, but September through November is wonderful. Jennifer - Original Message - From: rico suavae To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ANyone along I-80 want to buy a biodiesel processor? Hi girl mark.Its Paul again.I emailed your contact in Chicago.I'm waiting for a reply.One way or another we'll hook up.Do you have an ETA for the Chicago area of your trip?I want to be available for that time.Please let me know. Paul girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm traveling across country this month, 'by accident'- I really didn't intend to take this trip!, and I'll be going from DC to Maine and then back to California, taking Interstate 80 back. My partner and I are driving a couple of vans back here which he and another friend had purchased on eBay (it's a bit difficult to find a cheap diesel van in California these days), and I got drafted to help get one of the vehicles running. ANyway, this July trip is somewhat of an accident, and cuts into my planning for my 'real' biodiesel class tour at the end of the summer/fall (details coming up shortly). In my quest to fund the fall class tour, and since I'll be missing work to do this July thing, I'm once again offering to build biodiesel processors for people along the route of my trip (same offer applies to my travels in the fall): The processors would be the water heater-based Biodiesel Appleseed reactors from www.veggieavenger.com/media , which in general I encourage you all to build yourselves (it's easy). However if you want a processor built for you, and you are 'along the way' of the route of my July trip, I'll build you one for the cost of parts and $200 for labor, which will go into funding my August-November biodiesel class tour (ie taking my own vehicle, a reactor and a bunch of other gear on the road from August through November and teaching classes). The total cost for these units including my labor charge is either $380 or $580 depending on whether you can find a free used electric water heater or whether you have to buy a brand new one (they're about $200 usually). If you can find a closed-head barrel somewhere, I'll throw in a wash tank for the same cost. I'll be putting together a list of the fall classes tonight and emailing it out. Some of those class dates are also for 'equipment building' classes, which are opportunities for participants to build their own reactor. mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
That sounds great. Sounds like you are a good man for this job! Do you have a portable unit you could demonstrate on? Make some fuel in front of their eyes, then pour it straight into a diesel truck, and drive it around in front of them. Then there can be no question or doubt. That may be to much to try to do, or take to long but it would be awesome! People would not stop talking about it, and that's the idea. Get them talking, interested, amazed, and convinced; bio fuels are an answer to our fuel and energy problems. Thank you, Jennifer - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking. Dear Jennifer et al. I'll bite. I've been making biodiesel for three years, I'm well into my second back porch refinery, and I've addressed a number of large groups--DOE conferences on down. I'm on my way to NBB next week in D.C., and I have done some legislative work on biodiesel in North Carolina. As for Berkley having the corner (can't say I haven't learned a lot from those folks), at Piedmont Biofuels we have three people who are overwhelmed by education and outreach activities at this point. Can travel. On Jul 9, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Isn't someone going to take Jennifer up on her suggestion? We have members around Boston, or within reach of it. Good opportunity. (Welcome, Jennifer!) Best wishes Keith Hello Phil, Martin, and the rest of bio fuel members. I am new to the group, and I just recently learned about bio fuels myself. I know I have already told a dozen or so folks about them as well. I have not gotten the two headed look, but most people are skeptical of what they don't know. It's like they don't want to believe something could be so simple. I am quick to tell them that Big Business, and our own government, are the main reason's no one knows about this. That alone gets half the people I know interested then it is not just a bunch of PhD's dreaming, it is a reality and a conspiracy. For some reason this makes bio fuels more creditable to most people I talk to. I am not an authority or expert, but I would like to learn more. I think the rest of the U.S. would like to know also. The last weekend of July many progressive, forward thinking, intelligent people will be converging in and around Boston. This will be a prime opportunity to tell others about bio fuels. I mentioned it to a few event leaders, and they were wanting some people to give a talk or discussion. The Progressive Summit will be the week before the DNC Convention in Boston. Kevin Spidel was wanting to know if some one would be interested in addressing the group, and also the Democracy Fest 2004 will be the same weekend, about two hours from Boston, Jessica Falker is the main organizer of that event. They are still looking for forward thinking activist to enlighten the crowds. I am not qualified to discuss what I am just beginning to learn about, but I am trying to spark interest in others, and trying to learn more myself. If you think you could give a presentation at either event please let me know. Or just go down for the weekend, have some fun, and talk to as many people as you can. I'll attach a copy of an email I have been sending out to people I know, in case you are interested, or in case you can enlighten me more. P.S. sorry my first post is so long, promise I won't do this often. --- Jennifer Doty Hello All, I read a recent article about energy independence. I am very glad to see some people touching on this subject. I would like to see more in-depth articles, that really show the citizens of the U.S. how screwed up our current administration is. For a long time we have known about the green house effect, the poisons we are putting into our environment, and the face that we will be running out of Oil world wide. What I don't understand is why so many of us think that there is nothing simple we can do about it. Very few people in America know that we can produce clean fuels, that will power our cars with almost no change to our current engines and fuel systems. I did not know until I got into a discussion with my father. We don't need to buy expensive hybrid cars, and we don't need fossil fuels. I think that this information is deliberately not being talked about, because then George W. would loose all remaining support for his war with Iraq, and would stand to loose a few billion himself. This needs to be brought out and discussed. The Democracy Festival 2004 (Deanfest), and the Democratic Convention will be a good place to start discussing this with lots of other like minded
Re: [biofuel] ANyone along I-80 want to buy a biodiesel processor?
Mark, This was posted on another group I am a member in, just thought may be interested. crazeway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi everybody My girlfriend and I will be driving across the country and are interested in seeing effective small scale renewable energy systems. We have about 20 grand to invest and want to see some systems in this price range that work. Our main interests are wind, solar, hydrogen production, and vegetable oil/biodiesel production from scratch. Our route will begin in Boston, follow the northern states through the east, cut across South Dakota, head for San Fransisco, and then head down to San Diego, so if you are anywhere in the vicinity and interested in showing off your set up, please let us know. Thanks Steve mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm traveling across country this month, 'by accident'- I really didn't intend to take this trip!, and I'll be going from DC to Maine and then back to California, taking Interstate 80 back. My partner and I are driving a couple of vans back here which he and another friend had purchased on eBay (it's a bit difficult to find a cheap diesel van in California these days), and I got drafted to help get one of the vehicles running. ANyway, this July trip is somewhat of an accident, and cuts into my planning for my 'real' biodiesel class tour at the end of the summer/fall (details coming up shortly). In my quest to fund the fall class tour, and since I'll be missing work to do this July thing, I'm once again offering to build biodiesel processors for people along the route of my trip (same offer applies to my travels in the fall): The processors would be the water heater-based Biodiesel Appleseed reactors from www.veggieavenger.com/media , which in general I encourage you all to build yourselves (it's easy). However if you want a processor built for you, and you are 'along the way' of the route of my July trip, I'll build you one for the cost of parts and $200 for labor, which will go into funding my August-November biodiesel class tour (ie taking my own vehicle, a reactor and a bunch of other gear on the road from August through November and teaching classes). The total cost for these units including my labor charge is either $380 or $580 depending on whether you can find a free used electric water heater or whether you have to buy a brand new one (they're about $200 usually). If you can find a closed-head barrel somewhere, I'll throw in a wash tank for the same cost. I'll be putting together a list of the fall classes tonight and emailing it out. Some of those class dates are also for 'equipment building' classes, which are opportunities for participants to build their own reactor. mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
Hello Phil, Martin, and the rest of bio fuel members. I am new to the group, and I just recently learned about bio fuels myself. I know I have already told a dozen or so folks about them as well. I have not gotten the two headed look, but most people are skeptical of what they don't know. It's like they don't want to believe something could be so simple. I am quick to tell them that Big Business, and our own government, are the main reason's no one knows about this. That alone gets half the people I know interested then it is not just a bunch of PhD's dreaming, it is a reality and a conspiracy. For some reason this makes bio fuels more creditable to most people I talk to. I am not an authority or expert, but I would like to learn more. I think the rest of the U.S. would like to know also. The last weekend of July many progressive, forward thinking, intelligent people will be converging in and around Boston. This will be a prime opportunity to tell others about bio fuels. I mentioned it to a few event leaders, and they were wanting some people to give a talk or discussion. The Progressive Summit will be the week before the DNC Convention in Boston. Kevin Spidel was wanting to know if some one would be interested in addressing the group, and also the Democracy Fest 2004 will be the same weekend, about two hours from Boston, Jessica Falker is the main organizer of that event. They are still looking for forward thinking activist to enlighten the crowds. I am not qualified to discuss what I am just beginning to learn about, but I am trying to spark interest in others, and trying to learn more myself. If you think you could give a presentation at either event please let me know. Or just go down for the weekend, have some fun, and talk to as many people as you can. I'll attach a copy of an email I have been sending out to people I know, in case you are interested, or in case you can enlighten me more. P.S. sorry my first post is so long, promise I won't do this often. --- Jennifer Doty Hello All, I read a recent article about energy independence. I am very glad to see some people touching on this subject. I would like to see more in-depth articles, that really show the citizens of the U.S. how screwed up our current administration is. For a long time we have known about the green house effect, the poisons we are putting into our environment, and the face that we will be running out of Oil world wide. What I don't understand is why so many of us think that there is nothing simple we can do about it. Very few people in America know that we can produce clean fuels, that will power our cars with almost no change to our current engines and fuel systems. I did not know until I got into a discussion with my father. We don't need to buy expensive hybrid cars, and we don't need fossil fuels. I think that this information is deliberately not being talked about, because then George W. would loose all remaining support for his war with Iraq, and would stand to loose a few billion himself. This needs to be brought out and discussed. The Democracy Festival 2004 (Deanfest), and the Democratic Convention will be a good place to start discussing this with lots of other like minded, intelligent, concerned people. There will be all kinds of Progressive things going on in and around Boston that week. Please take time to read think and pray about how to reach as many people as you can. I have included other links at the bottom of this email, and you will be amazed at what a simple goggle search will show you. Please forward this email on to every one in your address book. We need to start a nation wide discussion about biofuels. We can currently produce synthic oil ( Castro Syntec ) , and there are small research companies doing one better. They are producing synthic diesel, gasoline, kerosene, oil, etc. out of bio mass by products. Not the same thing as corn ethanol, but actual bio diesel, and bio gasoline. Our current combustible engines that use fossil fuel oils, diesel, and gasoline take few or no changes to burn these bio fuels. No one would have to trade in their car, or purchase expensive hybrid cars, and the bio fuels would be better for the environment than fossil fuels, emitting much less CO2, less greenhouse effect. Right now we are fighting a war for oil. Any claims to tie Iraq with the 9-11 thing have all been disputed and found not real. Thus we are fighting for oil. Oil which will be gone in 50 years. Why are we fighting, and spending billions of dollars to have control of something that is going to be gone in 50 years? We could invest half as much as this war is costing, into development of bio fuel plants, and be free from dependence on fossil fuel oil, and create jobs here in America. High paying, high tech jobs. If we start now, in 50 years foreign countries may be purchasing bio fuels
