RE: [biofuel] Re: take down my articles blah blah

2004-08-26 Thread Mark McElvy 


Just more of the same. I know I will be flamed for this but I don't see what
the big deal is. So Girl Mark has a signature with other websites in it. The
more resources the better. Some people might like to see other opinions or
ideas than those posted hear. I end up deleting a lot of the posts from hear
because of all the political ramblings. I signed up for it because it was
named BIOFUEL. And Keith you have stated time and time and time again that
there will be no censorship on this list. Never seen an exception to that
till now. As far as Nettiquette, it seems to me proper Nettiquette would to
be polite! Something that more than a few responses have not been, not just
to this topic but any time there is a disagreement in policy or procedure,
there are a few that start with their arrogant, belittling dissertations.

Mark McElvy


-Original Message-
From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:26 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: take down my articles blah blah


On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 02:02  PM, Keith Addison wrote:



> It is not list infighting. The correct place for it is onlist, and
> that's where it will be.
>
>

Since it's onlist, would someone please tell me WHAT the
blah blahh it's all about?  All the gory details, please,
or at least where in the archives I should look to get them.

All of a sudden this dispute showed up and I'd like to know
all the background. Both of you are behaving uncharacteristically,
and now I'm wondering what sort of offense would be required
to bring this on

-K





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RE: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

2004-07-04 Thread Mark McElvy 

PLEASE, if you don't think M Moore is after personal gainHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mark

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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11


>I really don't understand the force at which people are fighting for
>Michael Moore either.

Perhaps because it's refreshing to hear from a man whose main objective is 
to highlight human suffering and not seek some personal gain.

regards

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RE: [biofuel] Hard to describe the feeling

2004-05-20 Thread Mark McElvy 

Luebering Oil - 573-365-3238

Mark McElvy
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-Original Message-
From: Pool, Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:30 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Hard to describe the feeling

Mark, 
 
Thanks for the information.  If it's not too much trouble I'll take the name
and number from you.  I don't know if it would be economically feasible
since that's quite a trip for me but it would still be good to know how to
get in touch with them.
 
Thanks,
Ryan

-Original Message-----
From: Mark McElvy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:47 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Hard to describe the feeling


If you don't mind driving a little, There is a supplier north of Jefferson
City selling at $1.50 a gal in 55's. They sell clean drums for 15.00 or you
can bring your own. I'll have to find there name and number if interested.

Mark McElvy
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-Original Message-
From: lostinthelife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:50 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Hard to describe the feeling

It's hard to describe what I'm feeling right now just sitting here looking.
I'm a little proud, 
like a father who sees his child sleeping.  I'm a little humble, like
someone learning a new 
insight into the way nature works.  I'm a little excited, like I'm standing
on the threshold to 
a new beginning.  I'm a little anxious, like someone who wants to get
involved in 
something bigger than themselves.

Why do I feel this way?  You should know, you all probably felt this way
about this same 
time in your life as well.  I'm going to be tempted to stay up all night now
because I'm 
watching it.  I'm watching my very first batch of biodiesel separate.  It's
beautiful in it's 
own way.  It's still cloudy, but I've already got about 20mm of darker
glycerin on the 
bottom.

I already know it's contaminated, but I don't care.  I tried to dry out the
container with my 
air compressor's blow gun but in my haste I forgot to take off the air tool
oiler, so there's 
some oil in there.  I couldn't find a scale that would measure out half a
gram of lye, so I 
think I put too much in.  It's really humid here right now, and I couldn't
find any 
translucent lye anyway so maybe the extra lye is ok.  Of course I didn't
wash it, I'll learn to 
do that soon, but not tonight.

Now I've got 'first batch' questions:
1.  If I accidentally shake it and some of the glycerin mixes back in with
the biodiesel will it 
settle back out again?
2.  Would it be easier to remove the biodiesel if I chilled the container a
little so the 
glycerin was thicker?  
3.  Will people like my roommate someday stop looking at me funny when I
tell them I'm 
making my own diesel?
4.  Is it just me or have I just done more to end terrorism than most of the
politicians in 
Washington?
5.  The only place in town that sells methanol charges $2 a gallon
regardless of quantity.  
Is that typical?
6.  Does anyone know a good place in the Kansas City area to buy methanol?
7.  Are any of you from Kansas City?  The guy I bought my methanol from told
me there 
was someone else in there about two weeks ago who said he was going
to make biodiesel as well.
8.  Does watched biodiesel separate?  Or should I go boil water and come
back?  
9.  If I wanted to keep this bottled up for 'posterity' since it's my first
batch, how long 
would it keep?

Thanks for reading this incredibly long and rambling post.

Ryan




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RE: [biofuel] Hard to describe the feeling

2004-05-19 Thread Mark McElvy 

If you don't mind driving a little, There is a supplier north of Jefferson
City selling at $1.50 a gal in 55's. They sell clean drums for 15.00 or you
can bring your own. I'll have to find there name and number if interested.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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573.435.1429 - Fax
281.682.4181  - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
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Accurate backups for your critical data! 


-Original Message-
From: lostinthelife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:50 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Hard to describe the feeling

It's hard to describe what I'm feeling right now just sitting here looking.
I'm a little proud, 
like a father who sees his child sleeping.  I'm a little humble, like
someone learning a new 
insight into the way nature works.  I'm a little excited, like I'm standing
on the threshold to 
a new beginning.  I'm a little anxious, like someone who wants to get
involved in 
something bigger than themselves.

Why do I feel this way?  You should know, you all probably felt this way
about this same 
time in your life as well.  I'm going to be tempted to stay up all night now
because I'm 
watching it.  I'm watching my very first batch of biodiesel separate.  It's
beautiful in it's 
own way.  It's still cloudy, but I've already got about 20mm of darker
glycerin on the 
bottom.

I already know it's contaminated, but I don't care.  I tried to dry out the
container with my 
air compressor's blow gun but in my haste I forgot to take off the air tool
oiler, so there's 
some oil in there.  I couldn't find a scale that would measure out half a
gram of lye, so I 
think I put too much in.  It's really humid here right now, and I couldn't
find any 
translucent lye anyway so maybe the extra lye is ok.  Of course I didn't
wash it, I'll learn to 
do that soon, but not tonight.

Now I've got 'first batch' questions:
1.  If I accidentally shake it and some of the glycerin mixes back in with
the biodiesel will it 
settle back out again?
2.  Would it be easier to remove the biodiesel if I chilled the container a
little so the 
glycerin was thicker?  
3.  Will people like my roommate someday stop looking at me funny when I
tell them I'm 
making my own diesel?
4.  Is it just me or have I just done more to end terrorism than most of the
politicians in 
Washington?
5.  The only place in town that sells methanol charges $2 a gallon
regardless of quantity.  
Is that typical?
6.  Does anyone know a good place in the Kansas City area to buy methanol?
7.  Are any of you from Kansas City?  The guy I bought my methanol from told
me there 
was someone else in there about two weeks ago who said he was going
to make biodiesel as well.
8.  Does watched biodiesel separate?  Or should I go boil water and come
back?  
9.  If I wanted to keep this bottled up for 'posterity' since it's my first
batch, how long 
would it keep?

Thanks for reading this incredibly long and rambling post.

Ryan




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RE: [biofuel] newbie question, are there any biodiesel manufactur ing plant plans available

2004-04-28 Thread Mark McElvy 

Try this http://www.veggieavenger.com/media


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:29 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] newbie question, are there any biodiesel manufacturing
plant plans available

hello all,
I have noticed there are many articles and web sites / discussion 
groups such as this one that promotes the use of biofuels. I for one 
am very interested in biodiesel and would consider constructing a 
biodiesel plant for home use. The only problem that I've encountered 
is that although techniques and materials have been discussed I have 
failed to find somewhere that tells me exactly what I need and how  
to build such a system i.e. some plans. I know I can purchase a 
system off the shelf but these result expensive as I'm in continental 
europe. 

I would appreciate if someone out there is able to offer some DIY 
plans even at a cost.

many thanks,

Richard





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[biofuel] Combining small batches into a common settling tank

2004-04-12 Thread Mark McElvy 

I am wondering if there are any ill effects from combining several small
batches of bio into a large settling tank? For example, Making several 50
liter batches in one day and put them all into a larger tank to
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RE: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein

2004-04-09 Thread Mark McElvy 

Sorry for the misinformation. I was recalling from my drinking days. Of
which I have not done for many years.

-Original Message-
From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:16 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein

actually everclear is 190 proof, or 95 % alcohol. It is the highest 
concentration you can get by simple distillation of aqueous ethanol.  If 
you begin with a mixture of alcohol and water, as from a fermentation 
broth, the lowest boiling component is the azeotrope of ethanol/water   
95:5 with a boiling point of about 78 degrees celcius.  To get absolute 
alcohol, 200 proof or 100%, requires  considerably more effort and is 
not to my knowledge sold for human consumption. 


Mark McElvy wrote:

>A product called Everclear is a 200 proof pure grain alcohol sold hear in
>the States
>
>-Original Message-
>From: gobie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:52 AM
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Dermot"
>
>  
>
>>Thanks for the help Paul,
>>
>>Now I can't get ethanol except in 45 gallon drums!
>>Is vodka close enough to ethanol and could I mix the phenolphthalein with
>>it?
>>
>>Regards
>>Dermot
>>
>>
>
>Dermot, not being a consumer of things alcoholic I'm not sure of the proof
>of vodka. 98% pure alcohol would be almost 200 proof. Don't imaging any
>drink for human consumption would be that strong. Whilst working for a
>pharmaceutical company once I was analysing one of their raw materials. The
>analysis consisted in serial dilutions in pure ethanol with 2% hydrochloric
>acid. Sucked a bit too hard on the pipette and got half a mouthful of the
>brew. That night whilst eating dinner the 1st layer of skin came away from
>the inside of my mouth.
>
>You could give the vodka a try.  Soime brands of methylated Spirits sold
out
>here in Oz are mostly ethanol could be worth investigating.
>Perhaps methanol could be substituted, the phenolphthalein definately
>prefers to be disolved in alcohol. Have to be even more careful not to get
>this mix on your skin though.
>
>Regards   Paul Gobert.
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RE: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein

2004-04-08 Thread Mark McElvy 

A product called Everclear is a 200 proof pure grain alcohol sold hear in
the States

-Original Message-
From: gobie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:52 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Phenolphthalein


- Original Message -
From: "Dermot"

> Thanks for the help Paul,
>
> Now I can't get ethanol except in 45 gallon drums!
> Is vodka close enough to ethanol and could I mix the phenolphthalein with
> it?
>
> Regards
> Dermot

Dermot, not being a consumer of things alcoholic I'm not sure of the proof
of vodka. 98% pure alcohol would be almost 200 proof. Don't imaging any
drink for human consumption would be that strong. Whilst working for a
pharmaceutical company once I was analysing one of their raw materials. The
analysis consisted in serial dilutions in pure ethanol with 2% hydrochloric
acid. Sucked a bit too hard on the pipette and got half a mouthful of the
brew. That night whilst eating dinner the 1st layer of skin came away from
the inside of my mouth.

You could give the vodka a try.  Soime brands of methylated Spirits sold out
here in Oz are mostly ethanol could be worth investigating.
Perhaps methanol could be substituted, the phenolphthalein definately
prefers to be disolved in alcohol. Have to be even more careful not to get
this mix on your skin though.

Regards   Paul Gobert.







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RE: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics

2004-04-01 Thread Mark McElvy 

Amen! 

-Original Message-
From: rico suavae [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:11 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics

Seems to me that one of the biggest zealots was put to death about this time
of year a while back.Crazy thing was,he didn't do it for just a few.He did
it for you too.There's nothing wrong about being passionate about what you
do and believe in.Sharing it usually becomes part of the process.Otherwise
we wouldn't be on this board.Share what you've discovered with others!Just
don't shove it down their throat.
 Rico

Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yah...Zealots should scare just about anyone.

But then again, I'll put a zealous Greanpeacer hanging from the anchor of an
outgoing freight destined to dump its toxic waste in the North Sea over a
RWASP (right-wing, anglo-saxon, protestant) hell bent on forcing the world
to live by his or her code.

One serves the broadest interests of humanity. The other only a narrow
corridor.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics


> Further to which...
>
> http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18259
> The Christian Taliban
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> > >Some really sick crap..
> > >
> > >http://www.cdfe.org/
> > >
> > >Pick a link. According to these asinigned zealots the sypmtoms are the
cause
> > >of the disease.
> >
> >Some of them may be zealots, but I think most of them are just...
> >damn, the term that's used is "whores", but that's an abusive term
> >for prostitutes and using it this way defames them: it implies
> >dishonesty and carries contempt, which is unjust. Can't think of an
> >apt term for these folks. "Whores" then, for now, with due
> >reservation.
> >
> > >Think I'd rather bed down with the Taliban. At least their doctrine has
some
> > >assemblance of social order and construct other than exploiting
anything and
> > >everything for a buck.
> > >
> > >There are terrorists and then there are terrorists.
> > >
> > >Todd Swearingen
> > >Appal Energy
> >
> >The Taliban is more honest - whatever their principles and actions
> >might be (execrable in many ways), they at least hold to them because
> >they believe in them, not because they're paid to. Though they did
> >accept rather a lot of millions of dollars in US support... but you
> >didn't see them spouting a lot of US propaganda as a result. I don't
> >think they're any worse than Christian fundamentalist extremists or
> >any other kind of fundamentalist extremists, maybe not as bad in some
> >ways. ("Keith supports Taliban!" LOL!)
> >
> >Are the Taliban terrorists though? They did and do support Al-Qaeda,
> >which is also a creation of US funding and support, and possibly more
> >than that. The US is itelf a major supporter of terrorists, from the
> >mujahideen to Fort Benning, and much more besides. ("Ah, but they're
> >*our* terrorists." For now maybe...) But I don't think the Taliban
> >itself has been guilty of terrorism.
> >
> >Whereas the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and its ilk...
> >"Since the late 1980's, CDFE has been at the center of the Wise Use
> >movement. CDFE was originally founded by Alan Gottlieb July 4, 1976.
> >The Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizen's Committee for the
> >Right to Keep and Bear Arms were founded at the same time, and CDFE
> >is still affiliated with both gun groups. According to the New York
> >Times, Gottlieb shifted his focus to environmentalism when he
> >realized the fundraising potential. The New York Times wrote, "For
> >conservative fundraisers like Mr. Gottlieb, the enemies were Senator
> >Edward M. Kennedy and the threat of gun control. But now Mr. Gottlieb
> >has found a better target. 'For us' said Mr. Gottlieb...'the
> >environmental movement has become the perfect bogeyman.'" CDFE is a
> >501(c)3 tax-exempt organization."
> >
> >The Taliban are not whores.
> >
> >Are people like CDFE terrorists? I think so. This is terrorism:
> >
> >12/19/03
> >BOOK REVIEWS
> >Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death
> >Read the rave reviews of Paul Driessen's new book that exposes the
> >green racist agenda to withhold malaria control and life-saving GMO
> >crops from Africa and other developing nations. A horrifying account
> >of green genocide.
> >
> >Inasmuch as info-toxins like this convince the gullible, which
> >clearly they do, people's lives and livelihoods are destroyed en
> >masse. The malaria-control bit is pro-DDT, which is an environmental
> >disaster - great stuff for small-farmer communities entirely
> >dependent on a healthy and functioning ecology. The pro-DDT lobbying
> >is helping to hold up research on far more promising solutions
> >without the unacceptable costs, such as this, yesterday:
> >http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsi

RE: [biofuel] Copper tubing....

2004-03-31 Thread Mark McElvy 

What is IIRC Copper? 

-Original Message-
From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:55 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Copper tubing

IIRC Copper can cause the wrong kind of catalyzing, promoting branching
chains, instead of breaking them.

Greg H.
  - Original Message -
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  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 16:23
  Subject: [biofuel] Copper tubing


  I am getting ready to build my first processor. It appears that everyone
  uses black to plumb everything. I have read that galvanized can be used
but
  is not good. How about copper tubing? Will it stand up to the chemicals
used
  to process bio-diesel?


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[biofuel] Copper tubing....

2004-03-31 Thread Mark McElvy 

I am getting ready to build my first processor. It appears that everyone
uses black to plumb everything. I have read that galvanized can be used but
is not good. How about copper tubing? Will it stand up to the chemicals used
to process bio-diesel?
 

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RE: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE

2004-02-04 Thread Mark McElvy 

I also find all the snide, back biting comments rather offensive as well. I
will never understand why grown, supposedly educated adults have to talk
to/about each other that way.

 

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A note about language. Please keep it nice and squeaky-clean. English 
is a huge and rich language with many different ways of saying 
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the "please", JUST DON'T DO IT. There are list members here from all 
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RE: [biofuel] Re: Newbie looking for advice

2003-12-16 Thread Mark McElvy 

I would love to know more info on the biomass gasifier but the site you
reference in not in English. Know of any other good sources?

 

Mark McElvy

 

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From: gcjahnke2000 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:54 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Newbie looking for advice

 

My disclaimer is the same as your.  I have never made biodiesel, I am 
just looking at the options.  For heating your fuel, there is a 
cheaper, more environmental friendly way to do it.  Build a biomass 
gasifier and use that to for your heat source.  You cna find some 
info about how to build a gasifier at 
http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/3.shtml.
<http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/3.shtml.>   I recently built one and it 
works really well.  Mine is powered by woodchips that I get from the 
local dump (they have thousands of tons of the things.  Check with 
your local dump, there is a good chance they either have them or know 
where to get them free) and is currently running an old chevy 
straight 6 that is coupled to a 10kw generator.  I have a second 
gasifier that has a blower on it and is connected to my foundry.  The 
temp is controlled by the blower speed.  It can be controled pretty 
accuratly this way (within 10 degrees anyway).

I have still not figured out where to get the WVO to start with.  Do 
you just call your local mcdonalds and ask them if you can have some 
of their old oil?  If/when I get this figured out (hint, hint 
somebody pls give me some advice on this one) I do at least know how 
I am going to heat and power the thing economically (the rest I am 
still working on).  

If you are looking for off grid, I think the gasifier is your best 
bet.  I just got my system up and runnign about a week ago.  I pulled 
the breaker at the meter (yes, we have a main breaker right bellow 
the meter) and we have been off grid ever since, except fo a couple 
hours where I turned the main breaker back on and shut down my engine 
to check it for tar deposits (happy to report there were none evident 
at all).   

If you want/need more info on gasifiers, let me know.  It is actually 
an incredibly simple thing.  I built mine entirely out of junk that I 
salvaged from the local dump or had sitting in my barn.  I don't now 
if I would want to use one to run a vehicle, but for running either a 
stationary generator or for heating stuff (like a foundry or a big 
drum full of vegetable oil) it works great!


--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron F. Wieler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Disclaimer: I still haven't made BD. I can still think and use a
> calculator, though. OK...
> 
> You're looking at a lot of electricity to heat your fuel through the
> reaction. I would suggest that you consider heating the WVO in a 
separate
> container with WVO, biodiesel, or byproduct before the reaction. 
Then you
> can insulate the reactor, and use electricity for keeping 
everything hot,
> once it's at the reaction temperature. Also, it seems to me that the
> "foolproof" method is a lot more energy intensive because of the 
long
> process time, and the need to re-heat the oil (whatever it is at 
this
> point) after the first stage. Insulate.
> 
> Also, depending on the size of your battery bank, it might take 
awhile to
> recouperate after running a reaction, unless you are using your 
generator
> (which is legitimate here, i would say.)
> 
> Good luck. I'm trying to make an off-grid BD processor too. I'm 
going the
> direction of pre-heating WVO with fuel, then using good insulation 
and
> only a little PV-generated electricity to run the pump and maybe 
keep the
> oil warm with an electric immersion heat element.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> 
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have been following this list for a while know and am very 
interested in
> > making Biodiesel for my own use.  I am building a retirement home 
in northern
> > Michigan that is a totally off grid.  We have solar and wind 
power for our
> > electric.  I have installed a solar wall for some of my heat and 
the Biodiesel
> > would work great for my Diesel generator, bulldozer, and pickup 
truck.
> >
> > I am thinking of going with Aleks Kac's Foolproof method for 
making it.  I
> > was wondering what some of you think of this method?  I have a 
good source for
> > the WVO so it won't be a problem.  I am still looking for a good 
source for the
> > Methanol and sulfuric acid.  I have found it online but it is a 
little
> > pricey.  I also see it takes 10% phosphoric acid.  I am not a 
chemist at all and
> > don't know what that is or where to look for it.  I found a 
higher percentage
> > online but don't know if that was what I needed or not.  I hope 
t

RE: [biofuel] Newbie looking for advice

2003-12-16 Thread Mark McElvy 

Has anyone tried heating with an oil or wood fired boiler then pump the hot
water through coils in the tanks for heat. Also you might try using 12v
battery/solar powered pumps and motors for mixing and transfer.

 

Mark McElvy

.

 

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From: Aaron F. Wieler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:48 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Newbie looking for advice

 

Disclaimer: I still haven't made BD. I can still think and use a
calculator, though. OK...

You're looking at a lot of electricity to heat your fuel through the
reaction. I would suggest that you consider heating the WVO in a separate
container with WVO, biodiesel, or byproduct before the reaction. Then you
can insulate the reactor, and use electricity for keeping everything hot,
once it's at the reaction temperature. Also, it seems to me that the
"foolproof" method is a lot more energy intensive because of the long
process time, and the need to re-heat the oil (whatever it is at this
point) after the first stage. Insulate.

Also, depending on the size of your battery bank, it might take awhile to
recouperate after running a reaction, unless you are using your generator
(which is legitimate here, i would say.)

Good luck. I'm trying to make an off-grid BD processor too. I'm going the
direction of pre-heating WVO with fuel, then using good insulation and
only a little PV-generated electricity to run the pump and maybe keep the
oil warm with an electric immersion heat element.

-Aaron


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have been following this list for a while know and am very interested in
> making Biodiesel for my own use.  I am building a retirement home in
northern
> Michigan that is a totally off grid.  We have solar and wind power for our
> electric.  I have installed a solar wall for some of my heat and the
Biodiesel
> would work great for my Diesel generator, bulldozer, and pickup truck.
>
> I am thinking of going with Aleks Kac's Foolproof method for making it.  I
> was wondering what some of you think of this method?  I have a good source
for
> the WVO so it won't be a problem.  I am still looking for a good source
for the
> Methanol and sulfuric acid.  I have found it online but it is a little
> pricey.  I also see it takes 10% phosphoric acid.  I am not a chemist at
all and
> don't know what that is or where to look for it.  I found a higher
percentage
> online but don't know if that was what I needed or not.  I hope these
questions
> are not to dumb but I want to make sure I start this out right.  I am
making my
> processor with pumps and hoses so I don't have to stir and pour any
fluids.
> I am also using water heater elements to do my heating so I won't have any
> open flames to contend with.
>
> If I want to run B100 for my Generator will the fuel supplement that I use
> now for the off road fuel work to keep my pour point good in the winter or
> should I mix it with the off road fuel?
>
> Any advice anyone can send my way would be great.  I sure want to make
this
> work it sounds great and will fit in with the rest of my projects to get
away
> from the oil and power companies.
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Rick M
> Brownstown, Mi.
>
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RE: [biofuel] Commercial production

2003-12-11 Thread Mark McElvy 

Since when has it been immoral to make a profit in this country from a
legitimate enterprise? There are a lot of people that would prefer to run
Bio but would not or will not make there own ever. I would suggest you look
into our wonderful government regulations before you get to far in.
Apparently it is quite costly to produce commercially. Check out this link
for a start. http://www.yellowbiodiesel.com/forsale.htm
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At 19:45 09/12/2003, you wrote:
>Keith-
>
>First, I must take my hat off to you and everyone else involved in the 
>project and website.  The wealth of information is amazing and I hope that 
>this information becomes common knowledge.  Since becoming interested in 
>biofuels I find myself constantly dreaming of a United States freed from 
>the governmental control of the fossil fuel industry.
>
>As I have begun my own personal journey to free myself from fossil fuels 
>(I recently purchased a 3/4 ton Dodge diesel specifically to run on 
>biodiesel) I have been approached by a friend who would like to go into 
>business producing biodiesel.
>
>My question is:  Are (or rather, Would) we be crossing ethical lines by 
>producing biodiesel commercially (read:  for profit)?
>
>Although we are a processor and system that is in many ways unique from 
>the processors that are described on this site and others that have links 
>on this site, most all of the inspiration has come from this site.  The 
>basic chemical process will also most likely be similar to the "recipes" 
>given by Aleks Kac and Joshua Tickell although we plan on using a 
>filtering process to refine the biodiesel to commercial specs as opposed 
>to washing it.
>
>My original goal is still to produce biodiesel for personal use, but if 
>our ideas end up working as well as we think they will, I plan on becoming 
>and entrepreneur and do my part to make biodiesel a mainstream option for 
>the general public.  I am afraid, however, that I may upset some by 
>turning a profit using methods and information (although modified) by
others.
>
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[biofuel] Methanol sources and pricing...

2003-12-05 Thread Mark McElvy 

Just curious were you get it and how much are you paying for methanol. I
have not made a batch of bio yet but was trying to look at costs. How much
can I expect to use per say 50 gal batch and how much is recoverable? Also
how are most people metering the methanol without pouring it out into an
open measuring device?

 

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[biofuel] BioDiesel in cold weather....

2003-12-03 Thread Mark McElvy 

I live in southern Missouri and temps here get reach the teens and single
digits during the winter. Mostly in the 20's and 30's. I have heard bio
gells in the winter. What is being done to help in this area? Additives and
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[biofuel] Newbie biofueler...

2003-12-03 Thread Mark McElvy 

I run a 99 F350 and a 64 ford 4000 tractor ( both diesels )on my small farm.
I just recently reprogrammed the computer on my truck and increased the MPG
by 6. I also recently found out about SVO and WVO systems and am looking
into that for the truck. In my research of SVO systems I ran across info on
making Bio-Diesel. I am very interested in building a processor and making
my own. I have read a lot of the articles on the Journey to Forever site but
some of the info seems a little dated. Is there a source of up to date
plans, processes, etc. or is this it. Have there been any recent break
troughs? I am very mechanically inclined so the building part won't be a
problem but I like it to be as safe and efficient as possible.

 

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